Adam Hartigan

[Harvey]

I actually think Hartigan was a smart recruit when we got him and the fruits of his work needed time - it was never a quick win. He was one I wanted to stay around for a while.

With Sheens coming, having a GM of football as well was never going to work. Sheens is hands on, he was always going to bring in his flavor to our setup and Hartigan role was always going to reduce.

With another NRL team joining the fold our method of not paying overs and sticking to our principles 100% of the time just isn’t smart business.

I just hope Sheens doesn’t blow our budget, he does like to throw money at recruits and just hope in 2-3yrs we aren’t looking at a bunch of wasted $$$ on the sideline or has been players.

That is my worry too, I'll back Sheens as he is here now and in control, but he did stuff our Cap on multiple occasions while he was here the 1st time.

Time will tell.
One thing is for sure ….. we desperately needed some circuit breakers and I always thought the first of those would have been a high profile signing.
But this change, from another angle, may also prove effective and hopefully may push us into a better position on both fronts ….. coaching and recruitment.
The club had to do something to effect large scale change and they now did.
So we can now just watch, hope and pray that it brings positive results to the club and us fans ….. on and off the field.

We had to buy a real solid FG, Hodgson may be that one, but prior to him, we didn’t seem interested in getting into that game, unfortunately that was on Hartigan, if he thought we needed to up our bids to players, he had the chance, which he didn’t appear to take?

Maybe he thought that all clubs were like Easts, where players are drawn to there success? Instead of getting us the players we needed?

The TPJs, JACs and LMs of the world are not the ones I would blow my money on though.

It’s semantics who, but we need someone , is my point. Sitting here waiting for development to evolve is not acceptable either imo.

Yeah you get one shot though so it has to be the right person. You blow it and it effects you for years. So we don't just need someone, we need the right person, that's what got us in this mess to start with.

Sorry, but the right person, is someone, I never indicated that it should be a Neville?

I’m not sure how someone like JAC would have gone, but he brings cred and other players attention to the team, that may have been interested, but moved on and looked elsewhere.

But I don’t mean to blow our load on someone obscure, I hope we retain the philosophy we currently have, of looking at solid players.

Unfortunately, with the pressure on the club (and now Sheens) to get some success, they may well do something from left field?

That is the worry. We are already seeing clubs dangle their cast-offs in front of us, and we are biting regardless of need, cost and what they will add to the side. It is about perception and nothing else

 

[supercoach]

I can live with the Hartigan sacking. Personally I liked what he was trying to achieve and I think his sacking had nothing to do with his work, rather once Sheens was given a gig, Hartigan became surplus to requirements.

Iam more worried having Shiffty Sheens back in control. I just get the feeling a lot of big calls are going to be made to try and get our short term prospects looking better and stuff any long term damage

 

[davey_farrell]

I don’t understand how sacking someone is going to miraculously transform the organisation?
Hartigan joined us with a great reputation for cap management, which gave hope to the masses, considering how badly we needed help in that area. If you judge his performance on that alone then he’s got us to a much improved position.
The sacking of a football GM is not something to celebrate imo, it means there’s been a failure of some kind. ***I’m left wondering what that is? How has the club failed?***

I can also acknowledge positives coming out of the Hartigan era, good junior talent recruiting, cap management, **but you cant be serious about not being able to see where the club is failing? Most importantly on the field...**.going backwards fast. How do we fix that? Recruitment of established quality, another area the club has manifestly failed.

This.
The team are close to favourites for the wooden spoon and will likely get it, as things currently stand. There's been some great strategies which have been put forward from the club (the junior pathways especially) and as far as I can see we've restructured the organisation in order to protect our succession plan and achieve the club's objectives.

We all know the WTs doesn't have the best image and that there's been some blunderous decision making and miscommunication.
Don't wish to sound disrespectful to Hartigan, as I feel he doesn't deserve that, but Sheens new role is our most important role and I just don't think Hartigan deserved to be undermined (for lack of a better word) by this. It wouldn't have been very cost effective for the club either.
We seem to have some very smart cookies and business oriented people at the club but they're not equipped with the knowledge that is required to manage the footy operations side of things or improve the club's overall culture and nor do they have the presence to align the organisation's structure.

Our biggest problem is the team are showing little to no advancement and it's as simple as there's not enough improvement because we haven't had the right people at the club.(On all levels).
It doesnt seem like it but the club are setting systems that will make them better prepared and now have someone on board who is capable of placing all emphasis on the results side of things - rather than methods and planning - and the expected output requirements.
But all in all its his leadership ability that will be one of the club's best assets.

Excellent post could not agree more

 

[Harvey]

I can live with the Hartigan sacking. Personally I liked what he was trying to achieve and I think his sacking had nothing to do with his work, rather once Sheens was given a gig, Hartigan became surplus to requirements.

Iam more worried having Shiffty Sheens back in control. I just get the feeling a lot of big calls are going to be made to try and get our short term prospects looking better and stuff any long term damage

To quote Rocky, "Again? That trick never works"

 

[TYGA]

Our recruitment of senior players to supplement the club until the juniors who look strong are ready has been horrible. The GM of Football has been sacked and the coach is on thin ice with new assistants being hired.

I think one thing is clear that they are taking action. Sheens major strength is getting out pathways in order however, his connections around the league will pay dividends with player signings. Paying overs for shorter term deals for experience is probably a necessity at the moment.

 

[jadtiger]

As much as our cap blew out under Sheens, I don't hold him solely accountable. His job is to identify and retain talent, front office is responsible for keeping it financially in check.

Apparently not anymore. He has full control over the football department.

Sheenius move.

At least he doesn't have any outside backs to convert to forwards.




Except Noffa!!

That will be plan A,plan B will be if that does not work to play Nofo at lock.There is no plan C

 

[jadtiger]

Iam more worried having Shiffty Sheens back in control. I just get the feeling a lot of big calls are going to be made to try and get our short term prospects looking better and stuff any long term damage

That is my main concern.Tim has a habit of destroying the cap at our club and i think he had a hand in destroying the faiders cap when he was there.God knows what a mess he caused at the cowboys but he got the bullet from there

 

[Lauren]

I don’t understand how sacking someone is going to miraculously transform the organisation?
Hartigan joined us with a great reputation for cap management, which gave hope to the masses, considering how badly we needed help in that area. If you judge his performance on that alone then he’s got us to a much improved position.
The sacking of a football GM is not something to celebrate imo, it means there’s been a failure of some kind. ***I’m left wondering what that is? How has the club failed?***

I can also acknowledge positives coming out of the Hartigan era, good junior talent recruiting, cap management, **but you cant be serious about not being able to see where the club is failing? Most importantly on the field...**.going backwards fast. How do we fix that? Recruitment of established quality, another area the club has manifestly failed.

This.
The team are close to favourites for the wooden spoon and will likely get it, as things currently stand. There's been some great strategies which have been put forward from the club (the junior pathways especially) and as far as I can see we've restructured the organisation in order to protect our succession plan and achieve the club's objectives.

We all know the WTs doesn't have the best image and that there's been some blunderous decision making and miscommunication.
Don't wish to sound disrespectful to Hartigan, as I feel he doesn't deserve that, but Sheens new role is our most important role and I just don't think Hartigan deserved to be undermined (for lack of a better word) by this. It wouldn't have been very cost effective for the club either.
We seem to have some very smart cookies and business oriented people at the club but they're not equipped with the knowledge that is required to manage the footy operations side of things or improve the club's overall culture and nor do they have the presence to align the organisation's structure.

Our biggest problem is the team are showing little to no advancement and it's as simple as there's not enough improvement because we haven't had the right people at the club.(On all levels).
It doesnt seem like it but the club are setting systems that will make them better prepared and now have someone on board who is capable of placing all emphasis on the results side of things - rather than methods and planning - and the expected output requirements.
But all in all its his leadership ability that will be one of the club's best assets.

Excellent post could not agree more

Sorry for the long winded and repetitive posts ?
But the pressure's on everyone at the club and he may be the best ally for everyone involved . Seems like everyone is overthinking what his actual role entails.
I think we need to focus on creating a strengths based organisation culture - also capable of utilising and building all individual strengths - but we've just lacked someone forthright and who understands the club's capabilities, resources and management systems.

The club is often criticised for poor performance accountability and he's already doing his duty from across the other side of the globe.
Isn't that we all we all wanted?
A tightly managed ship with the (club having the) ability to execute our planned strategies.
He's already shown he has what it takes to rebuild a club, deliver a winning performance and drive capability - as a coach - so someone with this expertise and experience may be the missing ingredient in bringing everything together for us.
The club needs to be more collaborative in their efforts but there's always seemed to be too much of a disconnect at the club. From upper management to the playing group.
So I think there needs to be more emphasis on what his main responsibilities are instead of his previous weaknesses. He was specifically brought back to help bind the whole organisation together and the cause for his past failures no longer exist.

 

[tiger_one]

I can live with the Hartigan sacking. Personally I liked what he was trying to achieve and I think his sacking had nothing to do with his work, rather once Sheens was given a gig, Hartigan became surplus to requirements.

I reckon Hartigan's card was marked when it went public about Sheens having emailed the player managers etc.

 

[clontarfkid]

Think Hartigans number was up the day Sheens was appointed to supposedly head up "pathways"
Too many chiefs
Hartigans legacy will be mixed...he demonstrated restraint and accountability in cap management,pulled some good young players from other clubs,but lost our best 2 forwards in consecutive seasons and couldnt snare Mitchell,JAC/TPJ and Finucane
He also ltraded out a dual premiership centre ..
But suspect enticing quality players in their prime to play under incumbent coach would have been a formidable task to say the least

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

I think Hartigan did some good things recruitment wise with some of the juniors that came to the club and retained. But if some of the stories are true he had some clangers in him too.
Is he solely to blame for players not wanting to come here, no i dont think he is. A combination of his negotiation skill's and some not wanting to play under Madge. Then there's the roster itself mostly poor and weak, oh and we cant forget Pascoe and Lee. We had so many different voices its like we are schizophrenic im not even sure whether or not he jumped before he was pushed. Either way it clearly didnt work with the team behind the scenes we've assembled, something has got to give.

 

[jirskyr]

I'm being completely serious ...can someone from the NRL give the WT's 3 years to stop this crap or the WT's are gone

This club is beyond embarassing .....

How about you just go and let the rest of us get on with it?

How about you sit on my face and rotate ....

Are you sure you got this saying correct?

King of the Forum can do what he wants .......I am so sick of fools who back this club still and can't accept this clubs screws up virtually every call it makes ........

Can't deal with it ....Too hard basket .....lala land .....

Only call they have got right was sticking by Madge ...now they just need to sack about 23 players ...but we can't do that ...it might upset some of the alleged 400 k fans we have lol .....

Is that directed at me? I can't tell, a whole series of posts were deleted. Something about you wanting me to sit on your face?

But specifically to your non-deleted comments - you seem to mis-equate backing of the club with acceptance of mistakes. Of course the club makes mistakes, loads of them.. arguably we make more mistakes than we get things right. Specifically to Adam Hartigan, I think its WAY too early to call it a mistake or not. You think that sticking by Madge is not a mistake, and I agree with you, but a lot of folks don't. Doesn't make anyone correct or happy with the overall direction of the club.

My first comment was actually in relation to your absurd suggestion that NRL give Tigers some kind of time limit to turn things around, or be cut / moved.
>can someone from the NRL give the WT’s 3 years to stop this crap or the WT’s are gone

That stuff is nonsense, sorry, a truly Kevorkian response.

 

[davey_farrell]

I don’t understand how sacking someone is going to miraculously transform the organisation?
Hartigan joined us with a great reputation for cap management, which gave hope to the masses, considering how badly we needed help in that area. If you judge his performance on that alone then he’s got us to a much improved position.
The sacking of a football GM is not something to celebrate imo, it means there’s been a failure of some kind. ***I’m left wondering what that is? How has the club failed?***

I can also acknowledge positives coming out of the Hartigan era, good junior talent recruiting, cap management, **but you cant be serious about not being able to see where the club is failing? Most importantly on the field...**.going backwards fast. How do we fix that? Recruitment of established quality, another area the club has manifestly failed.

This.
The team are close to favourites for the wooden spoon and will likely get it, as things currently stand. There's been some great strategies which have been put forward from the club (the junior pathways especially) and as far as I can see we've restructured the organisation in order to protect our succession plan and achieve the club's objectives.

We all know the WTs doesn't have the best image and that there's been some blunderous decision making and miscommunication.
Don't wish to sound disrespectful to Hartigan, as I feel he doesn't deserve that, but Sheens new role is our most important role and I just don't think Hartigan deserved to be undermined (for lack of a better word) by this. It wouldn't have been very cost effective for the club either.
We seem to have some very smart cookies and business oriented people at the club but they're not equipped with the knowledge that is required to manage the footy operations side of things or improve the club's overall culture and nor do they have the presence to align the organisation's structure.

Our biggest problem is the team are showing little to no advancement and it's as simple as there's not enough improvement because we haven't had the right people at the club.(On all levels).
It doesnt seem like it but the club are setting systems that will make them better prepared and now have someone on board who is capable of placing all emphasis on the results side of things - rather than methods and planning - and the expected output requirements.
But all in all its his leadership ability that will be one of the club's best assets.

Excellent post could not agree more

Sorry for the long winded and repetitive posts ?
But the pressure's on everyone at the club and he may be the best ally for everyone involved . Seems like everyone is overthinking what his actual role entails.
I think we need to focus on creating a strengths based organisation culture - also capable of utilising and building all individual strengths - but we've just lacked someone forthright and who understands the club's capabilities, resources and management systems.

The club is often criticised for poor performance accountability and he's already doing his duty from across the other side of the globe.
Isn't that we all we all wanted?
A tightly managed ship with the (club having the) ability to execute our planned strategies.
He's already shown he has what it takes to rebuild a club, deliver a winning performance and drive capability - as a coach - so someone with this expertise and experience may be the missing ingredient in bringing everything together for us.
The club needs to be more collaborative in their efforts but there's always seemed to be too much of a disconnect at the club. From upper management to the playing group.
So I think there needs to be more emphasis on what his main responsibilities are instead of his previous weaknesses. He was specifically brought back to help bind the whole organisation together and the cause for his past failures no longer exist.

I wish someone in management would listen to you Lauren, once again i totally agree. Very well written and I know change has to happen and im happy to have Sheens back and he is making decisions which we need. Im just a little concerned about McDonnel, been let go twice and now back for a third time. I love this club and just hope we climb up the ladder sooner rather then later. I feel like the club has given Sheens the keys to everything i just hope it works if it fails i really worry about the future of the club.

 

[hank37w]

I can live with the Hartigan sacking. Personally I liked what he was trying to achieve and I think his sacking had nothing to do with his work, rather once Sheens was given a gig, Hartigan became surplus to requirements.

Iam more worried having Shiffty Sheens back in control. I just get the feeling a lot of big calls are going to be made to try and get our short term prospects looking better and stuff any long term damage

To quote Rocky, "Again? That trick never works"


 

[Curaeus]

Hopefully the new Sheens era will lead to the kind of success we all hope for. I worked in some senior executive roles at a few big corporates over the years and the month or two after a new CEO/big boss arrived was often dotted with sudden departures as the new chief found his/her feet! I suspect things will be no different as Tim settles into his new role.

 

[bathursttiger1]

Our recruitment of senior players to supplement the club until the juniors who look strong are ready has been horrible. The GM of Football has been sacked and the coach is on thin ice with new assistants being hired.

I think one thing is clear that they are taking action. Sheens major strength is getting out pathways in order however, his connections around the league will pay dividends with player signings. Paying overs for shorter term deals for experience is probably a necessity at the moment.

I just hopw Sheens remembers what he did signing Adam Blair, he ripped the heart and soul out of the team for zero return.

 

[TYGA]

Our recruitment of senior players to supplement the club until the juniors who look strong are ready has been horrible. The GM of Football has been sacked and the coach is on thin ice with new assistants being hired.

I think one thing is clear that they are taking action. Sheens major strength is getting out pathways in order however, his connections around the league will pay dividends with player signings. Paying overs for shorter term deals for experience is probably a necessity at the moment.

I just hopw Sheens remembers what he did signing Adam Blair, he ripped the heart and soul out of the team for zero return.

Yep terrible decision. Blair at the time was a beast. Proved to be a major blunder. I don’t think it was the only reason.

 

[Aceshigh]

It’s true Blair was not a good fit for Tigers , he was a terrific trainer & mentor but just didn’t gel with our team

 

[happy_tiger]

I'm being completely serious ...can someone from the NRL give the WT's 3 years to stop this crap or the WT's are gone

This club is beyond embarassing .....

How about you just go and let the rest of us get on with it?

How about you sit on my face and rotate ....

Are you sure you got this saying correct?

King of the Forum can do what he wants .......I am so sick of fools who back this club still and can't accept this clubs screws up virtually every call it makes ........

Can't deal with it ....Too hard basket .....lala land .....

Only call they have got right was sticking by Madge ...now they just need to sack about 23 players ...but we can't do that ...it might upset some of the alleged 400 k fans we have lol .....

Is that directed at me? I can't tell, a whole series of posts were deleted. Something about you wanting me to sit on your face?

But specifically to your non-deleted comments - you seem to mis-equate backing of the club with acceptance of mistakes. Of course the club makes mistakes, loads of them.. arguably we make more mistakes than we get things right. Specifically to Adam Hartigan, I think its WAY too early to call it a mistake or not. You think that sticking by Madge is not a mistake, and I agree with you, but a lot of folks don't. Doesn't make anyone correct or happy with the overall direction of the club.

My first comment was actually in relation to your absurd suggestion that NRL give Tigers some kind of time limit to turn things around, or be cut / moved.
>can someone from the NRL give the WT’s 3 years to stop this crap or the WT’s are gone

That stuff is nonsense, sorry, a truly Kevorkian response.

Bit like letting Hartigan go after doing a review three weeks ago and accepting his work .....

So with the entire backing Sheens process an admission we screwed up by originally sacking him ....or he has found something new while buried in England coaching and directing some ho hum English sides that have done little ...

 

[happy_tiger]

Happy tiger will now be referred to as Fed up tiger for the foreseeable future due to the club being shithouse

Former Happy Tiger

I've posted this probably 50 times on here

I was going to call me self Happy Rock ( Gladstone ) Tiger .....

I haven't been a Happy Tigers fans since we won 4 of our 1st five when we Melbourne twice ,Roosters and Warriors from memory .....

And again for the 100th time ...if you don't like what I post ..put me on foe .....my posts are to amuse me 1st call ....and if someone agrees or thinks it's funny ...yay if not ....I couldn't care less to be brutally honest ......sorry but while I have got the honesty boots on 3/4 posters in this place know very little about this game and what does and doesn't work on a footy field .........and many probably think the same about my ideas .....

RUOK?

Fine ....just annoys me when someone suggests you should leave the Forum because your sick to death of the screw ups this club is making almost weekly now ......Maybe went over the top with a few of the comments ...but this is a joke .....even if we had a Gould ...Bellamy ....Bennett ....they end up getting the sack because the idiots in charge couldn't bare to hear the truth .....