Aloiai

[tiga4eva]

Josh needs to realise one good season doesn’t make him a world class forward who should be getting huge money. A 10% upgrade from one good season seems pretty reasonable to me

Clearly Madge and hartigan aren’t going to pay players more than they’re worth and won’t even bother talking about it with the players, it’s a take it or leave it type deal.

His contract is modest, 10% is measly. And after November 1 he realised how much other clubs valued him

If other clubs wants to pay overs for him clearly tigers won’t stand in his way. They’ve been pretty set on not giving guys more then they’re worth

If Josh was that upset about it he should talk to the club about it I’m sure they didn’t mean to upset him, Madge is obviously a big fan of his but he’s had a lot of injury issues and only 1 good season can’t expect too much

You could expect more than a days deadline.

Sure that’s fair enough but did he tell them that? Or just get upset and go talk to manly. Like I said I don’t think it’s the club not appreciating him Madge is clearly a fan they’re just showing they won’t overpay players

He told them how disappointed he was in the deadline, he didn't actively seek out other Clubs. Once November 1 arrives all Clubs know who's available

 

[mike]

Josh needs to realise one good season doesn’t make him a world class forward who should be getting huge money. A 10% upgrade from one good season seems pretty reasonable to me

Clearly Madge and hartigan aren’t going to pay players more than they’re worth and won’t even bother talking about it with the players, it’s a take it or leave it type deal.

His contract is modest, 10% is measly. And after November 1 he realised how much other clubs valued him

Aloiai thinks it’s measly, I don’t. No doubt his manager has been in his ear probably saying the Wests Tigers are a soft touch and they’ll pay overs, don’t sweat it. Well no more. If other clubs wish to pay overs then that’s their prerogative.

 

[hobbo1]

Josh needs to realise one good season doesn’t make him a world class forward who should be getting huge money. A 10% upgrade from one good season seems pretty reasonable to me

Clearly Madge and hartigan aren’t going to pay players more than they’re worth and won’t even bother talking about it with the players, it’s a take it or leave it type deal.

His contract is modest, 10% is measly. And after November 1 he realised how much other clubs valued him

If other clubs wants to pay overs for him clearly tigers won’t stand in his way. They’ve been pretty set on not giving guys more then they’re worth

If Josh was that upset about it he should talk to the club about it I’m sure they didn’t mean to upset him, Madge is obviously a big fan of his but he’s had a lot of injury issues and only 1 good season can’t expect too much

Cool, so who’s replacing him and his 140m a game and 28 tackles?

Tolman

I’m not sure he’s old enough.

32 ....perfect age

 

[avocadoontoast]

Josh needs to realise one good season doesn’t make him a world class forward who should be getting huge money. A 10% upgrade from one good season seems pretty reasonable to me

Clearly Madge and hartigan aren’t going to pay players more than they’re worth and won’t even bother talking about it with the players, it’s a take it or leave it type deal.

His contract is modest, 10% is measly. And after November 1 he realised how much other clubs valued him

If other clubs wants to pay overs for him clearly tigers won’t stand in his way. They’ve been pretty set on not giving guys more then they’re worth

If Josh was that upset about it he should talk to the club about it I’m sure they didn’t mean to upset him, Madge is obviously a big fan of his but he’s had a lot of injury issues and only 1 good season can’t expect too much

Cool, so who’s replacing him and his 140m a game and 28 tackles?

Tolman

I’m not sure he’s old enough.

32 ....perfect age

No more than a 4 + 1 deal though (player option for 5th year)

 

[JC99]

Josh needs to realise one good season doesn’t make him a world class forward who should be getting huge money. A 10% upgrade from one good season seems pretty reasonable to me

Clearly Madge and hartigan aren’t going to pay players more than they’re worth and won’t even bother talking about it with the players, it’s a take it or leave it type deal.


There is no way to sugar coat this one....you don't treat a bloke like Josh, who is a legit club man, this way.

Madge did none of the main recruiting at Souths. Hartigan was an absolute no one at the Roosters ....do you really think anyone other than Politis and Robinson did their recruiting?

We have serious issues that need to be addressed in terms of retention and recruitment. I admire fans like you who only want to see good, but there comes a time when we need to realise stuff is wrong.

I have a mate who has been involved with the club and sponsored it for decades who basically got auto replies on emails and never assisted for ages and now is giving up.

You don't treat people like this and expect loyalty back.

Regardless of value, you don't treat a bloke who busted his butt all year for us like this also . One of the only ones who did.

I’m not saying there’s no issues, we haven’t made finals in a decade clearly there’s issues I can just understand the club not wanting to pay overs. It’s just business really. Clearly they’re not willing to take a punt on paying guys more then they’re worth hoping they’ll become the player who’s worth that much, in some cases it’s good in some cases it’s bad.

 

[BAGNF05]

Josh needs to realise one good season doesn’t make him a world class forward who should be getting huge money. A 10% upgrade from one good season seems pretty reasonable to me

Clearly Madge and hartigan aren’t going to pay players more than they’re worth and won’t even bother talking about it with the players, it’s a take it or leave it type deal.


There is no way to sugar coat this one....you don't treat a bloke like Josh, who is a legit club man, this way.

Madge did none of the main recruiting at Souths. Hartigan was an absolute no one at the Roosters ....do you really think anyone other than Politis and Robinson did their recruiting?

We have serious issues that need to be addressed in terms of retention and recruitment. I admire fans like you who only want to see good, but there comes a time when we need to realise stuff is wrong.

I have a mate who has been involved with the club and sponsored it for decades who basically got auto replies on emails and never assisted for ages and now is giving up.

You don't treat people like this and expect loyalty back.

Regardless of value, you don't treat a bloke who busted his butt all year for us like this also . One of the only ones who did.

Well said.

 

[JC99]

Just to clarify I’m not agreeing with how blunt they were with Josh (if that’s what happened) I can just understand their reluctance to overpay players - he’s not worth the money manly want to pay him at the moment. Maybe in two years he will he maybe he won’t who knows.

 

[Wagga_Tiger]

Just to clarify I’m not agreeing with how blunt they were with Josh (if that’s what happened) I can just understand their reluctance to overpay players - he’s not worth the money manly want to pay him at the moment. Maybe in two years he will he maybe he won’t who knows.

He’s worth more than any other forward we have at this point in time.

 

[JC99]

Just to clarify I’m not agreeing with how blunt they were with Josh (if that’s what happened) I can just understand their reluctance to overpay players - he’s not worth the money manly want to pay him at the moment. Maybe in two years he will he maybe he won’t who knows.


He’s worth more than any other forward we have at this point in time.

He is, that doesn’t mean he’s worth $700k a season though. I will be sad if we lose him he’s one of my favourites

 

[jrtiger]

Guys,
I’ve been sitting on some info for about 5-6 weeks. I’ve never told you guys, but I count Josh Aloiai as one of my closest friends, we speak in some form basically every day. In September he texted me about his excitement of starting negotiations to extend his stay at WT. He was excited and felt that in the next 2-3 seasons he could develop into a real leader at the Club. Leaving the WT never entered his mind.

The first offer Josh received for 2022 is only slightly more than his current deal. He was disappointed at the offer because he would be 27 in 2022 and getting to the peak of his powers. He rejected the offer, Adam Hartigan came back to him with another offer which was approx 10% more than his current deal and gave Josh a 24hr deadline to accept this offer. To put it lightly, Josh was devastated, he knows that when a Club issues a deadline to a player, especially when the offer was way below expectations shows a lack of appreciation and value as a player and as a human. He is married and recently became a Dad, he deserved more than 24hrs to discuss these terms with his Wife.

The Club let these negotiations stall until November and now other Clubs have shown substantial interest. In 2019 Josh played with a broken hand until he had a part of a rib inserted into his hand which now acts as a hand muscle. Every game this year he played with rib damage which required needles EVERY game.
He gives his all every time he sets foot on the field, but these negotiations have turned him off the Club deluxe. I cringed when I saw a few post that this is about money. It isn’t, if it was he would’ve left 2 years ago, he sacrificed 50k to re-sign with us then.
This is why we never improve as a Club, because we have another player who will play the prime of his career at another Club. As a fan, I don’t want him to leave, as a friend, I know I can’t expect him to stay.
Their handling of this has been woeful. They’ve lost a kid, who 6 weeks ago, would never have ever contemplated or considered playing for another side.

this hurts to read. while I think Adam Hartigan has been mostly good for our club, the fact he has offered Aloiai, a loyal servant, future leader and one of the best blokes inside the joint a 10% increase on a contract that's $250k at absolute max and slapped a deadline on it is pathetic.

keep in mind it's the same bloke that was willing to offer Latrell Mitchell over $1m.

 

[TYGA]

Guys,
I’ve been sitting on some info for about 5-6 weeks. I’ve never told you guys, but I count Josh Aloiai as one of my closest friends, we speak in some form basically every day. In September he texted me about his excitement of starting negotiations to extend his stay at WT. He was excited and felt that in the next 2-3 seasons he could develop into a real leader at the Club. Leaving the WT never entered his mind.

The first offer Josh received for 2022 is only slightly more than his current deal. He was disappointed at the offer because he would be 27 in 2022 and getting to the peak of his powers. He rejected the offer, Adam Hartigan came back to him with another offer which was approx 10% more than his current deal and gave Josh a 24hr deadline to accept this offer. To put it lightly, Josh was devastated, he knows that when a Club issues a deadline to a player, especially when the offer was way below expectations shows a lack of appreciation and value as a player and as a human. He is married and recently became a Dad, he deserved more than 24hrs to discuss these terms with his Wife.

The Club let these negotiations stall until November and now other Clubs have shown substantial interest. In 2019 Josh played with a broken hand until he had a part of a rib inserted into his hand which now acts as a hand muscle. Every game this year he played with rib damage which required needles EVERY game.
He gives his all every time he sets foot on the field, but these negotiations have turned him off the Club deluxe. I cringed when I saw a few post that this is about money. It isn’t, if it was he would’ve left 2 years ago, he sacrificed 50k to re-sign with us then.
This is why we never improve as a Club, because we have another player who will play the prime of his career at another Club. As a fan, I don’t want him to leave, as a friend, I know I can’t expect him to stay.
Their handling of this has been woeful. They’ve lost a kid, who 6 weeks ago, would never have ever contemplated or considered playing for another side.

Whole hearted player and it’s a shame as he’s a powerhouse. From what you are saying the Tigers value him at a certain price and won’t budge.
Sadly this is no surprise however, there is one year remaining on the contract and in the clubs defence he really became a dominant first grader this year. The Tigers have a bad habit of letting players hit their dont aft year without upgrading ahead of time.

We need hard line salary cap management and if it costs us good players so be it I’d rather run last with a plan than middle of the table with bloated contracts.

Good luck to the kid he deserves a pay day.

 

[Telltails]

If Josh is being offered $700k he would be mad not to take it.

 

[tiga4eva]

Just to clarify I’m not agreeing with how blunt they were with Josh (if that’s what happened) I can just understand their reluctance to overpay players - he’s not worth the money manly want to pay him at the moment. Maybe in two years he will he maybe he won’t who knows.


He’s worth more than any other forward we have at this point in time.

He is, that doesn’t mean he’s worth $700k a season though. I will be sad if we lose him he’s one of my favourites

Nobody is offering 700k

 

[BAGNF05]

If Josh is being offered $700k he would be mad not to take it.

In my opinion he’s worth around 500K I’d be upset if the club were baulking at that. Too many data experts not enough footy brains.

 

[Another Pom]

Guys,
I’ve been sitting on some info for about 5-6 weeks. I’ve never told you guys, but I count Josh Aloiai as one of my closest friends, we speak in some form basically every day. In September he texted me about his excitement of starting negotiations to extend his stay at WT. He was excited and felt that in the next 2-3 seasons he could develop into a real leader at the Club. Leaving the WT never entered his mind.

The first offer Josh received for 2022 is only slightly more than his current deal. He was disappointed at the offer because he would be 27 in 2022 and getting to the peak of his powers. He rejected the offer, Adam Hartigan came back to him with another offer which was approx 10% more than his current deal and gave Josh a 24hr deadline to accept this offer. To put it lightly, Josh was devastated, he knows that when a Club issues a deadline to a player, especially when the offer was way below expectations shows a lack of appreciation and value as a player and as a human. He is married and recently became a Dad, he deserved more than 24hrs to discuss these terms with his Wife.

The Club let these negotiations stall until November and now other Clubs have shown substantial interest. In 2019 Josh played with a broken hand until he had a part of a rib inserted into his hand which now acts as a hand muscle. Every game this year he played with rib damage which required needles EVERY game.
He gives his all every time he sets foot on the field, but these negotiations have turned him off the Club deluxe. I cringed when I saw a few post that this is about money. It isn’t, if it was he would’ve left 2 years ago, he sacrificed 50k to re-sign with us then.
This is why we never improve as a Club, because we have another player who will play the prime of his career at another Club. As a fan, I don’t want him to leave, as a friend, I know I can’t expect him to stay.
Their handling of this has been woeful. They’ve lost a kid, who 6 weeks ago, would never have ever contemplated or considered playing for another side.

If this is true, and i've no reason to doubt you, the that's embarrassing on the clubs part. No wonder we struggle to sign player when this is the level of engagement that we have during negotiations.

Imagine giving your best forward a 24hr deadline 😩🤦🏻‍♂️

 

[mike]

If Josh is being offered $700k he would be mad not to take it.

In my opinion he’s worth around 500K I’d be upset if the club were baulking at that. Too many data experts not enough footy brains.

No way is he worth $500K. $350K absolute tops.

 

[tiga4eva]

If Josh is being offered $700k he would be mad not to take it.

In my opinion he’s worth around 500K I’d be upset if the club were baulking at that. Too many data experts not enough footy brains.

Offer given with deadline was waaaaay below 500k

 

[BAGNF05]

If Josh is being offered $700k he would be mad not to take it.

In my opinion he’s worth around 500K I’d be upset if the club were baulking at that. Too many data experts not enough footy brains.

No way is he worth $500K. $350K absolute tops.

He chews up the hard yards and would go to another level next to another big unit like Paseka. Our club just burn players like him out by asking them to carry the side.

 

[JC99]

Maybe with them missing JAC and McIntyre going to titans they can reconsider his value

 

[JC99]

If Josh is being offered $700k he would be mad not to take it.

In my opinion he’s worth around 500K I’d be upset if the club were baulking at that. Too many data experts not enough footy brains.

No way is he worth $500K. $350K absolute tops.

Problem is it’s impossible to know what he’ll be worth in 2022. Clearly he thinks he’ll have another good season and keep improving and wants money to reflect that. The club doesn’t want to take the risk that he might plateau, get injured etc and he’ll be worth way less than what he’s getting paid.

The other problem is that other clubs don’t care and will take the risk while we won’t and it will cost us players. They need to have a proper talk to josh about it not this apparent one day deadline - which seems like an exaggeration to me. Can’t see a club doing that to a player they want to keep.