GNR4LIFE
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I could never carry a gun, even if it were absolutely necessary. Again, an aspect of their culture that baffles me.
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I could never carry a gun, even if it were absolutely necessary. Again, an aspect of their culture that baffles me.
Pawsandclaws
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Sad really but this is his father on the FBI registry.
Benjamin Hoskins Paddock appeared on the agency's infamous registry from June 10, 1969 through May 5, 1977 and was described in an FBI poster as being "diagnosed as psychopathic" and as an individual
reported to have "suicidal tendencies" who "has carried firearms in commission of bank robberies
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Mate they are unbelievable. I carry a gun for work and shoot competitively on weekends, I reload my own ammo so I'm a gun advocate provided they are in the right hands. I'm a member on a couple of US shooting forums and boy oh boy do they lose the plot as soon as gun control is mentioned.
They have this deep seated misconception that the government is corrupt and tyrannical (that's another debate) and at any stage may decide to come for the people and when they do they'll take up their guns and overthrow them.
They think because we can't walk in off the street over here and buy a semi-automatic rifle that our freedoms have been repressed and we're all brainwashed by the Australian government. I've got a couple of mates in the FBI and they are astounded that only our fulltime specialist police units carry assault rifles. As for the general NRA members, I pity their attitude.
swag_tiger
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Always goes back to the 2nd amendment Aka the right to bear Arms.
They also say it ain't the guns it's the people but you need the gun to trigger and fire the bullet.The people that are saying that need to face the facts. You could also go and buy a gun in America right now even after the shooting. They also need a nation wide data base to see who can and can't get guns.
They also say it ain't the guns it's the people but you need the gun to trigger and fire the bullet.The people that are saying that need to face the facts. You could also go and buy a gun in America right now even after the shooting. They also need a nation wide data base to see who can and can't get guns.
GNR4LIFE
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It's disturbing when you read through YouTube comments and see how many Americans know how specific rifles should sound, talking about it like we talk about footy.
swag_tiger
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Bringing in more guns won't change anything either.
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You are correct but there are some americans who believe that it never happened and others who believe that it did happen but was perpetrated by people who are trying to get guns banned in the usa.Unfortunately you can not change peoples minds who suffer from tunnel vision.
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Because we all know that main stream news services are the beacon of integrity.
Im more than familiar with Breitbart, although i stopped following them when Ben Shapiro resigned.
If you click on the link it is simply 20 examples of gun owners using their weapons against bad guys. I have checked some of the examples, they are real.
Sad what happen over in Vegas. And sad when the wrong people get there hands on high powered and automatic weapons.
I don't know enough about the weapons or laws to enter the debate, but I read Switzerland has a large gun to population ratio (not automatic weapons) and the automatic weapons is in my opinion is the real issue. Why do they need automatic high powered weapons?
Firearms are usefull in certain cases (farmers, animal control etc) and can be an enjoyable sport to the enthusiast. When in Vegas my son and I went to a range and fired all sorts of weapons - the rule was you had to be older than 8! That was one of my highlights on the trip.
Until that day I had never fired a weapon, I was 46 at the time but I had a great time and could see why people enjoyed shooting.
The right to arms is in the US constitution, they were bought up on that right and take it seriously so to ask them to change that mentality would be like asking Abraham to accept gay marriage.
We have strict gun laws in Australia and while we don't have mass shootings we have our share of gun related crime.
I don't know enough about the weapons or laws to enter the debate, but I read Switzerland has a large gun to population ratio (not automatic weapons) and the automatic weapons is in my opinion is the real issue. Why do they need automatic high powered weapons?
Firearms are usefull in certain cases (farmers, animal control etc) and can be an enjoyable sport to the enthusiast. When in Vegas my son and I went to a range and fired all sorts of weapons - the rule was you had to be older than 8! That was one of my highlights on the trip.
Until that day I had never fired a weapon, I was 46 at the time but I had a great time and could see why people enjoyed shooting.
The right to arms is in the US constitution, they were bought up on that right and take it seriously so to ask them to change that mentality would be like asking Abraham to accept gay marriage.
We have strict gun laws in Australia and while we don't have mass shootings we have our share of gun related crime.
I am not nor have I ever been a conspiracy theorist. But one question keeps ringing in my ears. Where are all the spent casings and why are there no burn marks on the carpet? They estimated that he would have loosed around 2500-3000 rounds in ten minutes yet there were what they described as "dozens of cases on the carpet" and it really did look like they had been thrown around the room rather than spat out in a regular pattern near the window like you would expect. I'm not saying it was set up by anti gun lobbyists or anything else but something is very fishy about it all. Also, the number of guns keeps changing, originally it was ten, then twenty then twenty seven. And how did a guy in his mid sixties get them all up there unnoticed?
Americans are quite simply the dumbest nation on the planet. The ignorance is nothing short of astounding. I know quite a few and my seven year old has more sense and smarts than any of them.
You will never sell logic to an American, they just aren't wired that way. Like women…...
Americans are quite simply the dumbest nation on the planet. The ignorance is nothing short of astounding. I know quite a few and my seven year old has more sense and smarts than any of them.
You will never sell logic to an American, they just aren't wired that way. Like women…...
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If it was all staged and some conspiracy why release photos that don't contain these supposedly glaring omissions? I mean if it was a setup you'd have all that covered right? All we've seen is a few photos without a full context. No doubt there will be a very thorough investigation and you can make a conclusion based on the full evidence.
voice_of_reason
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It would seem I'm doomed, I'm married to an American woman. And just for clarity, they don't all worship guns.
voice_of_reason
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Exactly. There will always be people with foil hats trying to contrive a conspiracy when it's unlikely one exists. I would think an investigation of this type would take weeks or months to complete and there's little chance the general public will ever be told the full process of the killings - nor is there any need to do so.
To be concluding there's some massive cover up based on the publicly available evidence would be naive, if not foolish.
Let's just see it for what it was - a tragic mass murder by a crazy person who had access to weapons which normal citizens should never have been allowed to buy.
tsjonathan
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Nothing wrong with asking questions. Especially when everyone has access to smart phones and a wealth of information at their disposal. In a time when mainstream media is dying and citizen journalism is on the rise it's a good thing people ask questions.
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Automatic weapons are basically illegal in the USA, and have been out of reach of the ordinary citizen since the great depression back in the 1930's. So automatic weapons are not the problem at all.
The vast majority of gun crime in the USA is perpetrated using hand guns. Its not even close. But you never hear the Democrats or their Celebrity spokespeople mention handguns, because it would pit them against the African-American community, and that's a big no no for anybody engaging in identity politics.
30-40 years ago these shootings just didn't happen with such regularity, even though the gun laws were the same. So what is making american's snap at such regular rates these days? Is it the high rates of opioid and depression medication that people are taking (i think prescription medication rates in the USA are about 70% of the population)? Or are we just becoming a more violent civilisation in general? It's an issue that runs much deeper than gun laws.
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20 examples vs 461 mass shooting events over the same period of time….me thinks the bad guys are well on top.
https://www.massshootingtracker.org/data/2016
And here is a nice compilation of Breibarts greatest hits, or misses depending on your outlook
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/breitbart-headlines_us_5829ba13e4b060adb56f1bdb
