Another terrorist attack in France

[Yossarian]

Right… Well for starters there is footage of the plane hitting the Pentagon. In any case the absence of evidence isn't proof of an alternative thesis.

It's not odd at all. The sheer heat generated by the fire was simply greater than the frame could handle. Obviously the designers didn't foresee the need for the frame to withstand that amount of heat. There are more engineers who subscribe to this explanation than don't.

I note that this aspect of the conspiracy places weight on the supposed absence of planes at the Pentagon while ignoring the numerous eye witness and camera footage of the WTC attacks.

The evidence is fairly clear. A plot to fly planes into targets caused the damage in 9/11.

Don't want to argue Yoss, so please read my post again and particularly the first word, which is "Maybe". I happened to see the first sketchy report on CNN that night (then into the wee hours switching stations) and even before it was mentioned in later reports and any aircraft footage shown, I said to my housemate that judging by the damage shape it looks like a plane hit it, so I have no doubt that aircraft were indeed involved,

Can you please direct me to the footage you have seen or know of that shows anything resembling a plane approaching or hitting the Pentagon, so that I can put it out of my head, as my lack of seeing any such footage, along with the damage at it's supposed impact location has bugged me since that time.

As for construction, I have studied and regularly work with practising engineers in design and construction, with occasional demolition works to same as well. As such I am reasonably aware of the failure points of those elements and thus I stated that it was odd for both towers to pancake and collapse so uniformly, rather than the sections above the damage level to at least partially topple due to the uneven spead of initial structural damage and subsequent heat related failings of the frame. Not impossible, but one would get massive odds if on it actually occurring.

The adjacent building falling, well that is another matter altogether.

I'm not necessarily arguing with you, just the theories. There is plenty of detail in multiple reports as to the reasons for the way the towers collapsed. Your dealing with one floor collapsing and the weight causing the one below to collapse. With weakened supports there's nothing to hold them up. With the weight of whole floors and no support it's inevitable the ones below will collapse. I fail to understand what exactly is being proposed. That planes were flown in but then explosives were used? Just stop and think about the logistics of doing this. What does it achieve exactly?

As for WT7 again the reports state clearly the fire weakened the structure with the same inevitable result.

Pentagon footage? http://youtu.be/QOa3k_msQWc

It's probably not satisfactory for theorists but again the lack of clear footage proves nothing apart from that there is a lack of clear footage. The logistics of filming a fast low moving object with a fixed camera is not going to yield great footage. But let's remember the flight contained real people with real families.

 

[Yossarian]

Wasn't the Gulf of Tonkin fabricated? Serious question. And in regard to 9/11 hoesntly i'm not sure how building 7 collapsed? It wasn't hit by anything? Anyway, I really don't understand how a building falls when nothing happened to it.

I think it's fairer to say the Gulf of Tonkin incident was exaggerated. That there was ongoing tensions between NV and the USA is clear. There is some talk one of the confrontations (there were two) was embellished and the other may not have happened.

WT7 caught on fire as a result of debris from WTC 1 & 2\. There is plenty of footage of the fire. Uncontrolled high temperature fires have an inevitable outcome.

 

[tsjonathan]

Wasn't the Gulf of Tonkin fabricated? Serious question. And in regard to 9/11 hoesntly i'm not sure how building 7 collapsed? It wasn't hit by anything? Anyway, I really don't understand how a building falls when nothing happened to it.

I think it's fairer to say the Gulf of Tonkin incident was exaggerated. That there was ongoing tensions between NV and the USA is clear. There is some talk one of the confrontations (there were two) was embellished and the other may not have happened.

WT7 caught on fire as a result of debris from WTC 1 & 2\. There is plenty of footage of the fire. Uncontrolled high temperature fires have an inevitable outcome.

I still don't get it. Building 7 was over 100m away. Why weren't closer buildings like the Hilton collapsing? There are a lot of buildings much much closer in proximity…but all these ones decided to fall in perfect symmetry. Anyway just very confusing...

 

[Yossarian]

Wasn't the Gulf of Tonkin fabricated? Serious question. And in regard to 9/11 hoesntly i'm not sure how building 7 collapsed? It wasn't hit by anything? Anyway, I really don't understand how a building falls when nothing happened to it.

I think it's fairer to say the Gulf of Tonkin incident was exaggerated. That there was ongoing tensions between NV and the USA is clear. There is some talk one of the confrontations (there were two) was embellished and the other may not have happened.

WT7 caught on fire as a result of debris from WTC 1 & 2\. There is plenty of footage of the fire. Uncontrolled high temperature fires have an inevitable outcome.

I still don't get it. Building 7 was over 100m away. Why weren't closer buildings like the Hilton collapsing? There are a lot of buildings much much closer in proximity…but all these ones decided to fall in perfect symmetry. Anyway just very confusing...

The same reason why during bushfires you can have a house unaffected surrounded by burnt out houses. There are a lot of variables. I assume you mean the Marriot. Wind conditions, accessibility, nature of debris impacting on the building.

 

[CocaCola]

WT7 didn't collapse, it was pulled just like the Twin towers. Definately an inside job.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jPzAakHPpk

Regarding why would they kill their 'own' people; it's not their own people. These devils have their secret society family who are their own. The rest of the civilians are pawns.

There was a ridiculous amount of gold stored under the twin towers. Great way to loot it don't you think. Shipping off the steel and scrap metal from the fall to China before an investigation could even take place. George Bush brother has the security contract for the twin towers, no coincidence the contract expired just before the collapse took place, hence why no security footage.

6 months prior to 9/11 Lowry & Co tried to insure the twin towers for 2-3 billion, way above the market rate. They were taken to court by the insurance company after the attacks.

Several floors were emptied 2 weeks prior to the attack. Free fall explains that one.
Several Israeli guys (aka dancing Isrealis) caught with explosives in their truck. Yep, set free back to Israel shortly after.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStJ5BgadPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-B2J7tp8eg
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The WT7 was an important building.
http://www.wtc7.net/background.html

Conveniently contracts/bonds or whatever other important documents that could have been used to drag down major players had been 'lost' in the fire. I recall something when the flooding happened, that 1.5 trillion worth of securities or the like were stored their & 'lost' in the fire.

Penatagon attack was amusing if you watch a doco on it. Not 1 piece of evidence from a plane. The grass and hole in the wall did not resemble any kind of plane crashing there. It's amazing with all the intel and security footage the US has access too, yet nothing as plain as day was released regarding it.

The US airforce just happened to have a terrorist drill on the same day, and they were stood down when reports of an attack were called in. It's common on false flag attacks to have a drill operating with a similar plot on the same day. Research 7/7 London bombings.

Anyway this thread is not about 9/11, so no point back to that event. Not every terrorist attack is a false flag, but 9/11 is so obvious and I can't believe people still doubt it after a decade.

Follow the money trail, from the amount of gold and securities/bonds 'lost', to the follow up with invasions and looting resources. US economy is doomed without war. It's what is keeping it alive, 16 trillion in debt and impossible to pay back. Big crash will come if Russia/China & the US ever go head to head.

 

[Yossarian]

Right. Sure… Well on that note I think you can close this thread up now...

 

[Harvey]

It was all a big conspiracy by the Reptillians to ensure that their power and dominance was maintained. Read the details that David Icke has provided, but make sure that your house and head are wrapped in foil and that you have never been vaccinated or ingested flouride in your life. Mulder, Scully, save us all.

 

[Yossarian]

I'll take the reptiles ahead of the implied or explicit antisemitism…

 

[Harvey]

Should those that have an issue with Reptillians taking over be considered racist?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

This thread needs more Alex Jones.

 

[GoldXR50Leroy]

Why isn't Israel or Saudi Arabia ever "attacked"?

Oil and mates of the USA - protected species both of them

I think you'll find that Israel is under constant attack not only from across the Border by Hezbollah but from within by Palestinian's who not only drive their cars into groups but are involved in random stabbings, I haven't gone right through this thread but yesterday in Germany a Afghani youth went on a rampage with an axe attacking the very people who offered him Asylum, Saudi Arabia from all reports are the major sponsor of all this carnage, it's only the Royal Family who are pro Westeners.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

If you want to know whom is the biggest supporter of terrorism, have a look in your bathroom mirror tomorrow morning. So as long as we fill our cars with oil byproducts we're keeping these Wahhabi mutants cashed up.

 

[Yossarian]

Should those that have an issue with Reptillians taking over be considered racist?

They should go back to Reptilia

 

[Yossarian]

Why isn't Israel or Saudi Arabia ever "attacked"?

Oil and mates of the USA - protected species both of them

I think you'll find that Israel is under constant attack not only from across the Border by Hezbollah but from within by Palestinian's who not only drive their cars into groups but are involved in random stabbings, I haven't gone right through this thread but yesterday in Germany a Afghani youth went on a rampage with an axe attacking the very people who offered him Asylum, Saudi Arabia from all reports are the major sponsor of all this carnage, it's only the Royal Family who are pro Westeners.

Saudi Arabia had multiple terrorist attacks a week ago.

 

[Geo]


Seems appropriate at this stage of this thread…

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Why isn't Israel or Saudi Arabia ever "attacked"?

Oil and mates of the USA - protected species both of them

I think you'll find that Israel is under constant attack not only from across the Border by Hezbollah but from within by Palestinian's who not only drive their cars into groups but are involved in random stabbings, I haven't gone right through this thread but yesterday in Germany a Afghani youth went on a rampage with an axe attacking the very people who offered him Asylum, Saudi Arabia from all reports are the major sponsor of all this carnage, it's only the Royal Family who are pro Westeners.

I consider what the Palestinians are doing what any people under occupation for 70 years would be doing. If Robbie walked away from here he gets full pay - if the Palestinians walk away from their ancestral homes they will get eternity in refugee camps.

 

[Tigerdave]

tsjonathan wrote:
Why isn't Israel or Saudi Arabia ever "attacked"?

This was only a couple of weeks ago in Saudi Arabia and Israel has Hamas causing them problems all the time

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36706761

 

[Spartan117]

Not having a go at anyone. Indeed my Best mate at work is a practicing Mulsim. We have a very good and honest relationship.

My neighbours are also Muslim and our families do so much together

This is something interesting I discovered in my quest to understand the world we live in. Note this is a muslim site

Deception, Lying and Taqiyya

<big>Does Islam permit Muslims to lie?</big>

Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."

There are several forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, the best known being taqiyya. T<big>hese circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam</big> - <big>in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them</big>.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx
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[Spartan117]

Not every one who is born Catholic, Jew, Baptist, Muslim etc is practicing. It is how we perceive ourselves culturally or ancestrally.

We need to question though what the Holy texts advise us to do to see what the Ideology teaches thos that are practicing are told to do.

Religion after all are mainly rules made by others and regardless hether you subscribe or not it is to be questioned always.

This is what I do and teach my children to do.

 

[CocaCola]

Note this is a muslim site

The site you posted is an obvious anti Islam site which goal is to tarnish the image of Islam.

In Islam, no single verse or hadith (teaching of the prophet) are to be taken in isolation, as they can be taken out of context or have been abrogated by others. Some verses were revealed for a specific reason, time & place, to a specific group of people, and yet people quote such verses & apply them to today to anyone.

All references on a subject matter need to be compiled and studied together to derive its true understanding & exegesis on the matter. You study the Quran from Islamic scholars & institutions as you would study medicine from the experts in the medical field.