Anyone going to this?
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fergiefurr
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Went to this tonight. It was ok, nice to see once but probably not something I'd do again.
I'll try and do a proper post tomorrow but one thing I'll say is this:
Don't expect any signings anytime soon.
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I'll try and do a proper post tomorrow but one thing I'll say is this:
Don't expect any signings anytime soon.
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greatodensraven
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Looking forward to the updates
happy_tiger
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@fergiefurr said:
Thanks mate , looking forward to it
fergiefurr
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It was a well put together night and something I'm glad I went to. It's a bit of a shame as my guess is there was probably only about 120 'fans' there. From speaking to people a lot of them were even tigers staff, friends or sponsors. My guess is there were probably 50-60 actual fans/members there.
The first 40 mins was drinks/canapés and a handful of players/staff walking around chatting. The players were all friendly and happy to talk/pose for photos. I had small chats with most of them (from memory the players there were brooks, Moses, Ava, taupau, teddy, Simona, naquima and Richards). A guy who was very impressive for mine was Tim Simona, I think he is someone the club could use a lot more with marketing etc. He's a good looking young bloke, speaks very well and was extremely personable. He didn't make you feel like it was a chore chatting to you and asked questions like if you played, which junior club, what you do for work now etc. For someone like me who works in the people industry he is someone who sponsors/corporates would love.
Then JT gave about a 3-4 minute speech about the night and covered a few things he was no doubt going to get asked 'yes we are working on defence, no we aren't forgetting attack, yes we are improving' etc etc
You got split up into 5 groups that went through the 5 departments for 20min presentations. Head coach, assistant coaches video session, game day prep with a trainer, strength and conditioning, sports science. I'll cover them briefly. Now a few things got said by coaches that they asked to be kept confidential (it was mainly deficiencies in players that the coaches are working on), I am going to keep it that way, don't even bother PMing me. They gave a lot of info and I'd like to respect that.
JT - obviously this was the one everyone was there for
- Basically he spoke for about 15 minutes about his '3 year plan'. That the tigers are renowned for being a soft team. At the roosters the forwards would love playing the tigers because 'they don't hit us hard.' This is the main thing he is trying to change.
- it starts with defence. We were the worst defensive team last year. At the moment our game is structured around having the opposition start their sets in their own 25ms every set. That way it makes it harder for them to score.
- he isn't coaching the attack out of players. They are allowed to play what they see. However they need to know the game situation and field position.
- the cowboys game was frustrating for everyone. It wasn't a plan NOT to pass. However he had told the team that roosters and knights losses the defence had been unacceptable. He thinks the fact that he is preaching so much defence has psychologically made the players think they aren't allowed to attack. This should change and we have been putting more emphasis on passing, particularly short passes
Then a few questions:
- will we be signing any players? Short answer no. our salary cap is a mess. We are already at the limit for next year. Unless we release players under contract for next year we won't be signing ANYONE. The previous management has signed players in massive back ended contracts that are way, way over their worth
- the next few weeks will see if nofo is a center. Nofo is excited to play there. If it doesn't work he will go back to wing. He said depending on how nofo goes there will show if we need a center or a winger for next year
- our initial defence contact isn't good enough. Again this is a tigers thing. He was happy with it for the first 5 weeks but it's gone back to the old habits again
- he is happy with the way we are progressing and expects the next 12 games to win more then we lose
- the bombs aren't designed to get the ball back, they are to allow the defensive line to get set and move downfield as one
I don't know what to make of JT. He certainly believes in what he is doing and says the players do too. I can see what he is trying to do. He does come across as a bit of an angry any though. I don't know if he is like that with the players.
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Couple of small things of note from other sessions:
S & C coach has worked at other clubs and for collingwood, said Aaron woods is the most professional footballer he has ever seen. His game prep, after game routine, training, diet, training etc. brooks and teddy are 2 of the best young guys at this he has seen too. Salesi funaki has the biggest bench press and deadlift at the club. Kev naquima has close to if not the most 'explosive power' however they measure that, in the NRL
Kidwell/Cameron video session. This was really good but felt rushed. Kidwell singled out Lovett as a very good defender/wrestler. Said that one of our main problems is leaving too much space in the middle of the ruck (example sezers try) and the wrestle is still and issue for us. Cameron spoke a lot about supporting runs through the ruck that don't get the ball. How coaches measure stuff like that. Then a lot about shape etc.
Game day prep, just took you through what goes on in the room before kick off. They hate Friday nights because channel 9 change the kick off times which messes every thing up.
Sports science, I found a bit boring, other people may have enjoyed. Anyways apparently we are as good as the other clubs now, until last year this was piss poor apparently.
Like I said it was a good night and was run very professionally. To me it's a shame as I see the club could make this into a massive thing. Tickets for $99 won't work, it shouldn't be a money making exercise. It's a great way to allow members to feel apart of the club. Obviously not every member can go but I'd run say 3 a year and every membership goes in the running to win a ticket. The groups were quiet small but you could easily have had say 50 people in a group.
The first 40 mins was drinks/canapés and a handful of players/staff walking around chatting. The players were all friendly and happy to talk/pose for photos. I had small chats with most of them (from memory the players there were brooks, Moses, Ava, taupau, teddy, Simona, naquima and Richards). A guy who was very impressive for mine was Tim Simona, I think he is someone the club could use a lot more with marketing etc. He's a good looking young bloke, speaks very well and was extremely personable. He didn't make you feel like it was a chore chatting to you and asked questions like if you played, which junior club, what you do for work now etc. For someone like me who works in the people industry he is someone who sponsors/corporates would love.
Then JT gave about a 3-4 minute speech about the night and covered a few things he was no doubt going to get asked 'yes we are working on defence, no we aren't forgetting attack, yes we are improving' etc etc
You got split up into 5 groups that went through the 5 departments for 20min presentations. Head coach, assistant coaches video session, game day prep with a trainer, strength and conditioning, sports science. I'll cover them briefly. Now a few things got said by coaches that they asked to be kept confidential (it was mainly deficiencies in players that the coaches are working on), I am going to keep it that way, don't even bother PMing me. They gave a lot of info and I'd like to respect that.
JT - obviously this was the one everyone was there for
- Basically he spoke for about 15 minutes about his '3 year plan'. That the tigers are renowned for being a soft team. At the roosters the forwards would love playing the tigers because 'they don't hit us hard.' This is the main thing he is trying to change.
- it starts with defence. We were the worst defensive team last year. At the moment our game is structured around having the opposition start their sets in their own 25ms every set. That way it makes it harder for them to score.
- he isn't coaching the attack out of players. They are allowed to play what they see. However they need to know the game situation and field position.
- the cowboys game was frustrating for everyone. It wasn't a plan NOT to pass. However he had told the team that roosters and knights losses the defence had been unacceptable. He thinks the fact that he is preaching so much defence has psychologically made the players think they aren't allowed to attack. This should change and we have been putting more emphasis on passing, particularly short passes
Then a few questions:
- will we be signing any players? Short answer no. our salary cap is a mess. We are already at the limit for next year. Unless we release players under contract for next year we won't be signing ANYONE. The previous management has signed players in massive back ended contracts that are way, way over their worth
- the next few weeks will see if nofo is a center. Nofo is excited to play there. If it doesn't work he will go back to wing. He said depending on how nofo goes there will show if we need a center or a winger for next year
- our initial defence contact isn't good enough. Again this is a tigers thing. He was happy with it for the first 5 weeks but it's gone back to the old habits again
- he is happy with the way we are progressing and expects the next 12 games to win more then we lose
- the bombs aren't designed to get the ball back, they are to allow the defensive line to get set and move downfield as one
I don't know what to make of JT. He certainly believes in what he is doing and says the players do too. I can see what he is trying to do. He does come across as a bit of an angry any though. I don't know if he is like that with the players.
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Couple of small things of note from other sessions:
S & C coach has worked at other clubs and for collingwood, said Aaron woods is the most professional footballer he has ever seen. His game prep, after game routine, training, diet, training etc. brooks and teddy are 2 of the best young guys at this he has seen too. Salesi funaki has the biggest bench press and deadlift at the club. Kev naquima has close to if not the most 'explosive power' however they measure that, in the NRL
Kidwell/Cameron video session. This was really good but felt rushed. Kidwell singled out Lovett as a very good defender/wrestler. Said that one of our main problems is leaving too much space in the middle of the ruck (example sezers try) and the wrestle is still and issue for us. Cameron spoke a lot about supporting runs through the ruck that don't get the ball. How coaches measure stuff like that. Then a lot about shape etc.
Game day prep, just took you through what goes on in the room before kick off. They hate Friday nights because channel 9 change the kick off times which messes every thing up.
Sports science, I found a bit boring, other people may have enjoyed. Anyways apparently we are as good as the other clubs now, until last year this was piss poor apparently.
Like I said it was a good night and was run very professionally. To me it's a shame as I see the club could make this into a massive thing. Tickets for $99 won't work, it shouldn't be a money making exercise. It's a great way to allow members to feel apart of the club. Obviously not every member can go but I'd run say 3 a year and every membership goes in the running to win a ticket. The groups were quiet small but you could easily have had say 50 people in a group.
tig_prmz
Well-known member
great stuff fergie. if it's at a more suitable time, would love to go to this next year.
littletiger
New member
Wow we have used the cap for next year. That is unbelievable.
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One thing i don't understand if we have used up cap how do we have room to re-sign kev, heleta, seve, Lamar?
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which players was he referring to being paid overs for next year? I know Lawrence
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One thing i don't understand if we have used up cap how do we have room to re-sign kev, heleta, seve, Lamar?
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which players was he referring to being paid overs for next year? I know Lawrence
stevetiger
New member
@fergiefurr said:
This is all that I can't stand about Taylor. Its all just spin.
@fergiefurr said:
I think that this gives me some hope. He has basically come into the club and I think had no structures or if he has any structure its a terrible structure. His game plans are terrible and his coaching in regards to getting the most out of the players is the worst I have ever seen.
Hopefully this is him admitting that he has stuffed up and is looking to change things. I know I'm drawing a long bow here but this guy has proven to be really good at spin and really poor at coaching. This sounds like as close to a recognition that what he is doing has been wrong.
@fergiefurr said:
I think its obvious that he is a major concern at this point. Hopefully he changes his approach.
Fergie - thanks for the info.
stevetiger
New member
@littletiger said:
The problem is he could be lying. Assuming that he isn't I think it must be Robbie and Woods who are significantly overpaid and possibly Lawrence.
I remember Mayer stating that Robbie and Woods were our two marquee players.
Both guys are really good players but I get the impression we need to pay them less.
Firstly - thanks for the post. Well done. I went last year and enjoyed it a lot. Couldn't do it this year my morales too low.
It is impossible that we have spent the cap. I hate being lied to.
We have released many players (from contracts) and have not resigned many others. I call Bullsh!t man!
This makes me angry and disappointed at the same time.
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It is impossible that we have spent the cap. I hate being lied to.
We have released many players (from contracts) and have not resigned many others. I call Bullsh!t man!
This makes me angry and disappointed at the same time.
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Past Management…? How long has Mayer had the reins now? Past management my butt.
Players who signed for overs but have not played or developed as anticipated must know they are ruining the team. That's a big burden to carry.
I am sorry but our club is an absolute shambles. How could we have spent the cap on our rabble.
If this is the case Farah needs to go. We need to spend his 0.95m on other players. He's been a great club man, but I'm sorry we can't afford him.
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Players who signed for overs but have not played or developed as anticipated must know they are ruining the team. That's a big burden to carry.
I am sorry but our club is an absolute shambles. How could we have spent the cap on our rabble.
If this is the case Farah needs to go. We need to spend his 0.95m on other players. He's been a great club man, but I'm sorry we can't afford him.
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Tiger_In_The_Gong
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If our cap is full it seems obvious to me that they are talking about their budget not so much the full cap.
No way in hell are we spending our full cap solely on players.
AS said earlier there is a lot of spin here.
No way in hell are we spending our full cap solely on players.
AS said earlier there is a lot of spin here.
