Are the Wests Tigers Improving? Stats to break it down.

Flippedy · May 20, 2024

AmericanHistoryX said:
No thrashings yet. That is an improvement

They will come when the players that are just holding us together now get jack of trying only to lose all the time.

Telltails · May 20, 2024

The effect of losing will eventually get in the head space. Losing players each week to injury and suspensions with no wins, and inadequate replacements will eventually take its toll.

WesternSuburbsBoy · May 20, 2024

tigermate said:
What we’ve been lacking since Jacko left is a controlling half

Look at what he’s doing at newy

I keep saying (much to everyone bagging the sh!t out of me) if we had Jacko in this team we’d be top 8 like the knights

Our attack is stifled bc Api is running everything … we’re a headless chook in attacking zones

We need a Dominant half who demands the ball and sets up plays and attacking structure

Bud sullivan is a 6

Sezer started ok but has been sub par

Controlling halves are hard to find

That’s why the best teams have them

Hastings also has quality outside backs at his disposal such as Ponga, Gagai, Best & Marzhew then a forward pack that has Leo Thompson, the Saifiti bros & Frizell.

BAGNF05 · May 20, 2024

GNR4LIFE said:
Nope. And my belief that we could challenge for a top 8 in 2025 is diminishing almost to nothing. This year we needed to lay some kind of foundation for Luai next year, but we haven’t. You aren’t going to go from winning 4 or 5 games in a year (if we’re lucky), then win 12 or 13 next year. No way will Luai make that much of a difference. As usual, the club is on a road to nowhere.

Replace Naden with a witches hat and we are probably going for three on the trot. Not all doom & gloom.

craigtob · May 20, 2024

InGalvinWeTrust said:
Are the Wests Tigers improving?
A question that we all have probably asked. In order to accurately see, I have decided to check it out through stats.
Bold stats allude to the better round the Tigers had in accordance with the stats in the last two years.
So if your brave and want to see how painfully mediocre the tigers are. Dig in

Round 1:

Possession in 2023: 56%

Possession in 2024: BYE

Completion rate in 2023: 71%

Completion rate in 2024: BYE

Post Contact metres in 2023: 625m

Post Contact metres in 2024: BYE

Tackle Breaks in 2023: 47

Tackle Breaks in 2024: BYE

Effective Tackle % in in 2023: 87.92%

Effective Tackle % in in 2024: BYE

Errors in in 2023: 14

Errors in in 2024: BYE

2023 Result: Loss

2024 Result: Bye

Thus, so far in round 1, improvements cannot be assessed.

Round 2:

Possession in 2023: 52%

Possession in 2024: 45%

Completion rate in 2023: 63%

Completion rate in 2024: 81%

Post Contact metres in 2023: 420m

Post Contact metres in 2024: 462

Tackle Breaks in 2023: 30

Tackle Breaks in 2024: 24

Effective Tackle % in in 2023: 88 %

Effective Tackle % in in 2024: 86%

Errors in in 2023: 18

Errors in in 2024: 9

2023 Result: Loss

2024 Result: Loss

We can see a slight improvement in Post Contact metres, yet a substantial drop off in tackle breaks. A decent improvement in completion rate, although 81% isn’t great. No improvement in tackle efficiency (drops off by 2%)

Round 3:

Possession in 2023: 52%

Possession in 2024: 46%

Completion rate in 2023: 70%

Completion rate in 2024: 86%

Post Contact metres in 2023: 363m

Post Contact metres in 2024: 631

Tackle Breaks in 2023: 31

Tackle Breaks in 2024: 38

Effective Tackle % in in 2023: 88 %

Effective Tackle % in in 2024: 86%

Errors in in 2023: 14

Errors in in 2024: 6

2023 Result: Loss

2024 Result: Win

A notion I am tending to see is that although this season we have an increase in run metres, we don’t get far enough tackle breaks as we have prior.

Round 4:

Possession in 2023: 47%

Possession in 2024: 47%

Completion rate in 2023: 78%

Completion rate in 2024: 86%

Post Contact metres in 2023: 540m

Post Contact metres in 2024: 693m

Tackle Breaks in 2023: 26

Tackle Breaks in 2024: 24

Effective Tackle % in in 2023: 90 %

Effective Tackle % in in 2024: 85%

Errors in in 2023: 9

Errors in in 2024: 10

2023 Result: Loss

2024 Result: Win

A sloppy win for 2024. Regressed in nearly all categories minus completion rate and post contact metres.

Round 5:

Possession in 2023: 47%

Possession in 2024: 52%

Completion rate in 2023: 73%

Completion rate in 2024: 80%

Post Contact metres in 2023: 451m

Post Contact metres in 2024: 566m

Tackle Breaks in 2023: 20

Tackle Breaks in 2024: 27

Effective Tackle % in in 2023: 87.26 %

Effective Tackle % in in 2024: 88.83%

Errors in in 2023: 11

Errors in in 2024: 11

2023 Result: Loss

2024 Result: Loss

Bare improvements…

Round 6:

Possession in 2023: 57%

Possession in 2024: 49%

Completion rate in 2023: 76%

Completion rate in 2024: 79%

Post Contact metres in 2023: 556m

Post Contact metres in 2024: 543m

Tackle Breaks in 2023: 39

Tackle Breaks in 2024: 31

Effective Tackle % in in 2023: 90.71 %

Effective Tackle % in in 2024: 87.04%

Errors in in 2023: 13

Errors in in 2024: 9

2023 Result: Loss

2024 Result: Loss

Nothing improving except completion by a tiny amount and a couple less errors. Only 10 less post contact metres yet 8 less tackle breaks, YIKES…

Round 8:

Possession in 2023: 58%

Possession in 2024: 50%

Completion rate in 2023: 74%

Completion rate in 2024: 79%

Post Contact metres in 2023: 427m

Post Contact metres in 2024: 561m

Tackle Breaks in 2023: 36

Tackle Breaks in 2024: 32

Effective Tackle % in in 2023: 87.94%

Effective Tackle % in in 2024: 87.86%

Errors in in 2023: 12

Errors in in 2024: 13

2023 Result: LOSS

2024 Result: Loss

Blah.

Round 9:

Possession in 2023: 53%

Possession in 2024: 47%

Completion rate in 2023: 90%

Completion rate in 2024: 79%

Post Contact metres in 2023: 501m

Post Contact metres in 2024: 465m

Tackle Breaks in 2023: 39

Tackle Breaks in 2024: 38

Effective Tackle % in in 2023: 91.21%

Effective Tackle % in in 2024: 88.40%

Errors in in 2023: 5

Errors in in 2024: 8 (+ 2 sin bins)

2023 Result: Win

2024 Result: Loss

On paper could be the best game in ages. Probably the best tigers game in the last two years minus the Leichardt Cowboys beauty.

Round 10

Possession in 2023: 53%

Possession in 2024: 48%

Completion rate in 2023: 86%

Completion rate in 2024: 82%

Post Contact metres in 2023: 501m

Post Contact metres in 2024: 470m

Tackle Breaks in 2023: 43

Tackle Breaks in 2024: 27

Effective Tackle % in in 2023: 87.47%

Effective Tackle % in in 2024: 87.32%

Errors in in 2023: 10

Errors in in 2024: 10

2023 Result: Win

2024 Result: Loss

Round 11

Possession in 2023: 50%

Possession in 2024: 54%

Completion rate in 2023: 86%

Completion rate in 2024: 82%

Post Contact metres in 2023: 542m

Post Contact metres in 2024: 531m

Tackle Breaks in 2023: 14

Tackle Breaks in 2024: 44

Effective Tackle % in in 2023: 90.26%

Effective Tackle % in in 2024: 89.80%

Errors in in 2023: 7

Errors in in 2024: 6

2023 Result: Loss

2024 Result: Loss

ALL UP

2023 total errors by round 11: 113

2024 total errors by round 11: 85

Wins 2023: 2

Wins 2024: 2

Total Tackle Breaks by Round 11 in 2023: 325

Total Tackle Breaks by Round 11 in 2024: 285

Points Differential by Round 11 in 2023: -90

Points Differential by Round 11 in 2024: -81

Way to much time on your hands to worry about stats.

InGalvinWeTrust · May 20, 2024

craigtob said:
Way to much time on your hands to worry about stats.

Haha just something to take my mind off worrying about the results of my exams. Nothing too serious here

AmericanHistoryX · May 20, 2024

Neither are the results of your exams. Relax.

InGalvinWeTrust · May 20, 2024

AmericanHistoryX said:
Neither are the results of your exams. Relax.

Never said they were, just thought others might find it an interesting read. I do not think that they allude to an improvement or a regression, just thought it is an interesting read.

AmericanHistoryX · May 20, 2024

Im saying. The results of your exams do not distinguish your role on this planet or the person you are/become. Dont worry. You do you.

tigermate · May 20, 2024

WesternSuburbsBoy said:
Hastings also has quality outside backs at his disposal such as Ponga, Gagai, Best & Marzhew then a forward pack that has Leo Thompson, the Saifiti bros & Frizell.

had those players before he arrived and they never played finals. no one will ever give that guy his dues for taking newcastle to the finals last year.

BAGNF05 · May 20, 2024

tigermate said:
had those players before he arrived and they never played finals. no one will ever give that guy his dues for taking newcastle to the finals last year.

Knights have played finals three out of the last four years.

69-05-41 · May 21, 2024

Tucker said:
I pulled some stats from NRL.com to back up whats being said above:

Penalties conceeded - 2nd (66)

Sinbins - 1st (8)

Match Review Charges - 1st (17)

Judiciary Guilty Verdicts - 1st (15)

Judiciary Fines - 1st ($18,100.00)

Judiciary suspensions - 2nd (7 weeks)

So are our players stupid or does the NRL hate us? With two more WT's suspensions this week (out of three for all clubs for the round) we should be topping the comp in the suspensions stat too.

twentyforty · May 21, 2024

It’s interesting to dive into our stats, but it reminds me of what a great game golf is, where there’s only one measurable stat that matters and that means you’re playing against yourself.
Sometimes comparing stats with other teams is like moving the goal posts each week.
The one stat which I find interesting is the number of players used by each club. Interestingly Souths were on top of the ladder after having used 31 players the same number after this year’s corresponding round.
We can’t possibly continue to offer up the excuse that we have so many changes to our team and therefore no harmonic motion, it’s a ridiculous assumption. What are we doing at training sessions?

twentyforty · May 21, 2024

Our defence was a disaster before Sheens hired Furner. During 2023 they increased offloads and more importantly improved defence by wrapping up the ball carrier. Pleased to see this has continued in 2024, there are only 5 teams better at it.

Sco77y · May 21, 2024

LARDS said:
Sinbins - 1st (8)

Yay
At least we're winning something!

Don’t sell us short! First in match review charges, guilty verdicts and fines too 😂 Close second for suspensions also 👀

twentyforty · May 21, 2024

Sco77y said:
Don’t sell us short! First in match review charges, guilty verdicts and fines too 😂 Close second for suspensions also 👀

All credit should go to the leadership group, spearheaded by Bateman and Naden, doing a marvellous job.

Lukic · May 21, 2024

We need a 7.

Maybe Galvin will be him in a few years.

Letting Hastings go was our biggest mistake in the past few years. Sure he's a bit of a tosser but no-one at the club really seemed to have issues with him and he played well when he was here.

We did it to bring in an overpaid and injury prone backrower. The game has changed a fair bit since Bateman had his best season and he's come back worse than he was. He can't compete in the 2nd row with the Olakau'atus, Koloamatagi, Suas and Kikaus of the world.

Still no solution for the 7 position. Luai is the most overrated player in the game by a significant margin and produced another classic shocker without Cleary this weekend against the Warriors missing half their team.

Until we have a proper halfback, we're going nowhere.

tig_prmz · May 21, 2024

Doesn't matter if we are improving coz the whole comp is improving at a rate much faster to ours.

InGalvinWeTrust · May 21, 2024

Tucker said:
Sinbins - 1st (8)

Match Review Charges - 1st (17)

Judiciary Guilty Verdicts - 1st (15)

Judiciary Fines - 1st ($18,100.00)

Judiciary suspensions - 2nd (7 weeks)

These are far better stats. Puts in perspective. It wouldn't all be poor discipline that gets us these sinbins. Bias must play a place

InGalvinWeTrust · May 21, 2024

Lukic said:
We need a 7.

Maybe Galvin will be him in a few years.

Letting Hastings go was our biggest mistake in the past few years. Sure he's a bit of a tosser but no-one at the club really seemed to have issues with him and he played well when he was here.

We did it to bring in an overpaid and injury prone backrower. The game has changed a fair bit since Bateman had his best season and he's come back worse than he was. He can't compete in the 2nd row with the Olakau'atus, Koloamatagi, Suas and Kikaus of the world.

Still no solution for the 7 position. Luai is the most overrated player in the game by a significant margin and produced another classic shocker without Cleary this weekend against the Warriors missing half their team.

Until we have a proper halfback, we're going nowhere.

Luai looked really strong in the 7 for the riff this weekend, I don't think he can be the blame for the loss on the weekend when it looked like he was the only one trying