Are you prepared to admit this JV is a failure?

[Knuckles]

The fact we are still together after 15 years is a success story in itself …... I can't think of a precedent where a 50/50 JV has made it this far let alone win a premiership. So no failure here ........ as mentioned above success is more than just what happens on the field. Sure we all want to make the semis every year ........ but look at where we are now from where we've come from. Balmain and Wests would never have survived on their own and thats a fact. By joining together they have made it this far ......why can't it keep going another 15 years and beyond. The club is only as good as those who run it and belong to it.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

The word failure annoys the s#*% out of me and is not even close to feeling "disgruntled". Failure for 13 out 15 years - how so? Grandfinal winners after 5 years with a team of mostly local juniors. 1 point from another grandfinal appearance in 2010 and major semi final in 2011\. Cleanout in 2012 and rebuilding in 2013/2014 again with mostly local juniors on a limited budget. That's not good enough for you - I stand by my comment.

Sorry, but not finishing in the top 8 of a 16 team competition for 12 out of the past 15 years is a failure whichever way you want to look at it. Even in 2010 and 2011, we were only great for a 2-3 month period of the season.

Why should anyone be happy or satisfied with one good season every decade? Why can't we consistently be competitive, or at least strive to be? Is it unrealistic to expect to make the top 8 of a 16 comp more than three times in our existence? Surely not? Surely this isn't too much to ask?

2005 seems to make it acceptable to accept failure. I'm honestly I'm convinced a portion of our fan base do not care if we win or lose.

At the end of the day, this club has failed to finish in the top half of a 16 team comp for 12 out of 15 years. It's not about winning another premiership at all, it's about being consistently competitive.

So no, not being consistently competitive over a 15 year period isn't good enough for me and I'll always stand by that.

There will always be people who are happy to accept failure and expect everyone else to as well. They're usually the ones who call themselves true supporters and tell people who disagree with them that they aren't true supporters. They're the ones you see after we get beat by 50 proclaiming ''I'm still a Tiger and will always be no matter what blah blah'' looking for a pat on the back. There was a thread last night somebody started saying how glad they were we had Potter as a coach instead of Hasler, cos Potter is a guy who comes across like butter wouldn't melt in his mouth, and Des is a hot head. Well that hot head has won 2 premierships and is one of the most respected coaches in the NRL. But no, somebody would rather have Potter cos ''he's a nice guy''. Well nice guys finish last.

These types usually like to throw stones and tell people to go support other teams, and wonder how you could really be a supporter if you're so negative. Well i sometimes wonder how they can call themselves supporters if they're never willing to show any emotion and always take a happy go lucky attitude when we lose.

 

[tig_prmz]

lol it's funny how we all just blame each other

oh we have a dysfunctional board so we are a failure
oh we have a split supporter base who hate each other so we are a failure
oh we have a crap coach and a crap captain so we are a failure
oh we have an attention seeking CEO so we are a failure.

you can't say just because we havent made the 8 in 12/15 seasons that we're a failure. souths and brisbane have the biggest fan base yet have only been in 1 grandfinal in 10 or so years.

there have been no stand out teams in the last 15 years except probably manly, storm (arguable), roosters (2/3 wooden spoons as well iirc) and dogs/brisbane to an extent.

since 2000 i remember reading somewhere that mainly on the amount of games won, we are coming 9th or 10th. by that logic, if we are a failure then so are the 6/7 teams below us as well.

 

[Knuckles]

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There will always be people who are happy to accept failure and expect everyone else to as well. They're usually the ones who call themselves true supporters and tell people who disagree with them that they aren't true supporters. They're the ones you see after we get beat by 50 proclaiming ''I'm still a Tiger and will always be no matter what blah blah'' looking for a pat on the back.
These types usually like to throw stones and tell people to go support other teams, and wonder how you could really be a supporter if you're so negative. Well i sometimes wonder how they can call themselves supporters if they're never willing to show any emotion and always take a happy go lucky attitude when we lose.

Well mate …... after 40 years in my case ......... if you can't accept it then you will be unhappy. What you've written sums me up pretty well except I dont throw stones or try not to anyway. I've come to the conclusion thats its wise to never get the hopes up too high ......... that way you're not so disappointed when they dont do any good. If thats accepting mediocrity ....... well ... then so be it.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

lol it's funny how we all just blame each other

oh we have a dysfunctional board so we are a failure
oh we have a split supporter base who hate each other so we are a failure
oh we have a crap coach and a crap captain so we are a failure
oh we have an attention seeking CEO so we are a failure.

you can't say just because we havent made the 8 in 12/15 seasons that we're a failure. souths and brisbane have the biggest fan base yet have only been in 1 grandfinal in 10 or so years.

there have been no stand out teams in the last 15 years except probably manly, storm (arguable), roosters (2/3 wooden spoons as well iirc) and dogs/brisbane to an extent.

since 2000 i remember reading somewhere that mainly on the amount of games won, we are coming 9th or 10th. by that logic, if we are a failure then so are the 6/7 teams below us as well.

The Broncos have won 5 premierships and have been perennial finalists for 26 years. Souths have won 20 premierships. There's no comparison between us and them. And all the off field dramas paint us in an even worse light.

 

[tig_prmz]

Sorry, but not finishing in the top 8 of a 16 team competition for 12 out of the past 15 years is a failure whichever way you want to look at it. Even in 2010 and 2011, we were only great for a 2-3 month period of the season.

Why should anyone be happy or satisfied with one good season every decade? Why can't we consistently be competitive, or at least strive to be? Is it unrealistic to expect to make the top 8 of a 16 comp more than three times in our existence? Surely not? Surely this isn't too much to ask?

2005 seems to make it acceptable to accept failure. I'm honestly I'm convinced a portion of our fan base do not care if we win or lose.

At the end of the day, this club has failed to finish in the top half of a 16 team comp for 12 out of 15 years. It's not about winning another premiership at all, it's about being consistently competitive.

So no, not being consistently competitive over a 15 year period isn't good enough for me and I'll always stand by that.

There will always be people who are happy to accept failure and expect everyone else to as well. They're usually the ones who call themselves true supporters and tell people who disagree with them that they aren't true supporters. They're the ones you see after we get beat by 50 proclaiming ''I'm still a Tiger and will always be no matter what blah blah'' looking for a pat on the back. There was a thread last night somebody started saying how glad they were we had Potter as a coach instead of Hasler, cos Potter is a guy who comes across like butter wouldn't melt in his mouth, and Des is a hot head. Well that hot head has won 2 premierships and is one of the most respected coaches in the NRL. But no, somebody would rather have Potter cos ''he's a nice guy''. Well nice guys finish last.

These types usually like to throw stones and tell people to go support other teams, and wonder how you could really be a supporter if you're so negative. Well i sometimes wonder how they can call themselves supporters if they're never willing to show any emotion and always take a happy go lucky attitude when we lose.

and what sort of supporters are you two?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Sorry, but not finishing in the top 8 of a 16 team competition for 12 out of the past 15 years is a failure whichever way you want to look at it. Even in 2010 and 2011, we were only great for a 2-3 month period of the season.

Why should anyone be happy or satisfied with one good season every decade? Why can't we consistently be competitive, or at least strive to be? Is it unrealistic to expect to make the top 8 of a 16 comp more than three times in our existence? Surely not? Surely this isn't too much to ask?

2005 seems to make it acceptable to accept failure. I'm honestly I'm convinced a portion of our fan base do not care if we win or lose.

At the end of the day, this club has failed to finish in the top half of a 16 team comp for 12 out of 15 years. It's not about winning another premiership at all, it's about being consistently competitive.

So no, not being consistently competitive over a 15 year period isn't good enough for me and I'll always stand by that.

There will always be people who are happy to accept failure and expect everyone else to as well. They're usually the ones who call themselves true supporters and tell people who disagree with them that they aren't true supporters. They're the ones you see after we get beat by 50 proclaiming ''I'm still a Tiger and will always be no matter what blah blah'' looking for a pat on the back. There was a thread last night somebody started saying how glad they were we had Potter as a coach instead of Hasler, cos Potter is a guy who comes across like butter wouldn't melt in his mouth, and Des is a hot head. Well that hot head has won 2 premierships and is one of the most respected coaches in the NRL. But no, somebody would rather have Potter cos ''he's a nice guy''. Well nice guys finish last.

These types usually like to throw stones and tell people to go support other teams, and wonder how you could really be a supporter if you're so negative. Well i sometimes wonder how they can call themselves supporters if they're never willing to show any emotion and always take a happy go lucky attitude when we lose.

and what sort of supporters are you two?

Realistic supporters.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

you can't say just because we havent made the 8 in 12/15 seasons that we're a failure. souths and brisbane have the biggest fan base yet have only been in 1 grandfinal in 10 or so years.

So, are you are arguing that for the past 15 years we have been a success then?

How many times have Brisbane made the top 8 in the past 15 years?

 

[hybrid_tiger]

success is more than just what happens on the field. Sure we all want to make the semis every year …..... but look at where we are now from where we've come from. Balmain and Wests would never have survived on their own and thats a fact.

This confirms a theory I have believed for quite a while now - because former Wests and Balmain fans were used to being shit for so long they have been conditioned to accept mediocrity.

It seems to me that so many of our fans seem to just accept the fact that we are a losing club, as if this is the way it should be. It shouldn't be. We deserve better.

 

[tig_prmz]

you can't say just because we havent made the 8 in 12/15 seasons that we're a failure. souths and brisbane have the biggest fan base yet have only been in 1 grandfinal in 10 or so years.

So, are you are arguing that for the past 15 years we have been a success then?

How many times have Brisbane made the top 8 in the past 15 years?

life doesn't exist in success and failure only.
- what makes top 8 the cut off? as i said, since we have existed, we're coming 9th/10th in the total number of wins. if we're a failure then so are the ones below us.
- we havent got a single wooden spoon and yet teams like dogs, roosters, eels etc who have a massive supporter base and money pouring in from every end have won it numerous times.
- not many teams have been able to get a top 4 spot back to back in that period either.

we've finished 9th or 10th on numerous occasions as well… one win here or there and we could've been looing at a 6/15 finals ratio which isnt too bad.

 

[AngryEmu]

lol it's funny how we all just blame each other

oh we have a dysfunctional board so we are a failure
oh we have a split supporter base who hate each other so we are a failure
oh we have a crap coach and a crap captain so we are a failure
oh we have an attention seeking CEO so we are a failure.

you can't say just because we havent made the 8 in 12/15 seasons that we're a failure. souths and brisbane have the biggest fan base yet have only been in 1 grandfinal in 10 or so years.

there have been no stand out teams in the last 15 years except probably manly, storm (arguable), roosters (2/3 wooden spoons as well iirc) and dogs/brisbane to an extent.

since 2000 i remember reading somewhere that mainly on the amount of games won, we are coming 9th or 10th. by that logic, if we are a failure then so are the 6/7 teams below us as well.

The Broncos have won 5 premierships and have been perennial finalists for 26 years. Souths have won 20 premierships. There's no comparison between us and them. And all the off field dramas paint us in an even worse light.

Souths haven't won a premiership since 1971\. That is not a successful team in the modern era.

If you had a staff member at work who you rated as below average 15 years straight, (an not making the finals 12 out of 15 years is below average) would you consider them to be successful?

 

[tig_prmz]

lol realistic supporters?

and what are the others?

- the ones who accept mediocrity
- the ones who fight with the other supporter base
- the keyboard warriors
- the bandwagoners

all hail the realistic ones for giving us facts that we already know and then saying that we're a failure :master:

 

[AngryEmu]

you can't say just because we havent made the 8 in 12/15 seasons that we're a failure. souths and brisbane have the biggest fan base yet have only been in 1 grandfinal in 10 or so years.

So, are you are arguing that for the past 15 years we have been a success then?

How many times have Brisbane made the top 8 in the past 15 years?

life doesn't exist in success and failure only.
- what makes top 8 the cut off? as i said, since we have existed, we're coming 9th/10th in the total number of wins. if we're a failure then so are the ones below us.
- we havent got a single wooden spoon and yet teams like dogs, roosters, eels etc who have a massive supporter base and money pouring in from every end have won it numerous times.
- not many teams have been able to get a top 4 spot back to back in that period either.

we've finished 9th or 10th on numerous occasions as well… one win here or there and we could've been looing at a 6/15 finals ratio which isnt too bad.

But we didn't snag those 1 or 2 wins that could have got us there. And a lot of the times our destiny was in our own hands.

You can't measure what could have been, only what was. If we were to look at stats since we existed I would be much happier to see us in top 4 than 9th / 10th.

If you aren't striving to be the best, there isn't much point in competing. Remember we are talking professional sport here not under 10's where you are happy for everyone just to have a good time.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

lol realistic supporters?

and what are the others?

- the ones who accept mediocrity
- the ones who fight with the other supporter base
- the keyboard warriors
- the bandwagoners

all hail the realistic ones for giving us facts that we already know and then saying that we're a failure :master:

:crazy

 

[Knuckles]

success is more than just what happens on the field. Sure we all want to make the semis every year …..... but look at where we are now from where we've come from. Balmain and Wests would never have survived on their own and thats a fact.

This confirms a theory I have believed for quite a while now - because former Wests and Balmain fans were used to being s*** for so long they have been conditioned to accept mediocrity.

It seems to me that so many of our fans seem to just accept the fact that we are a losing club, as if this is the way it should be. It shouldn't be. We deserve better.

We agree !

 

[Snapper]

It starts from the top and siphons all the way down
Question: where is the Wests Tigers Leagues club??????

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[AngryEmu]

It starts from the top and siphons all the way down
Question: where is the Wests Tigers Leagues club??????

_Posted using RoarFEED V.4_

Who cares about Leagues clubs. I'd rather we didn't need to rely on Leagues club funding to survive.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

life doesn't exist in success and failure only.
- what makes top 8 the cut off? as i said, since we have existed, we're coming 9th/10th in the total number of wins. if we're a failure then so are the ones below us.
- we havent got a single wooden spoon and yet teams like dogs, roosters, eels etc who have a massive supporter base and money pouring in from every end have won it numerous times.
- not many teams have been able to get a top 4 spot back to back in that period either.

we've finished 9th or 10th on numerous occasions as well… one win here or there and we could've been looing at a 6/15 finals ratio which isnt too bad.

Are we playing in the NRL to win games or it doesn't matter? There's a fine line between success and failure, yes, but I really think it's ridiculous to argue that we haven't been a failure.

What makes top 8 the cut off? Finishing 8th or higher out of 16 teams (smack bang on 50%) and playing in the finals. Anything less is not good enough.

We have made the finals three times in 15 years - is there a club with a worse strike rate in the NRL?

we've finished 9th or 10th on numerous occasions as well… one win here or there and we could've been looing at a 6/15 finals ratio which isnt too bad.

But we haven't - the fact is 3/15.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

you can't say just because we havent made the 8 in 12/15 seasons that we're a failure. souths and brisbane have the biggest fan base yet have only been in 1 grandfinal in 10 or so years.

So, are you are arguing that for the past 15 years we have been a success then?

How many times have Brisbane made the top 8 in the past 15 years?

life doesn't exist in success and failure only.
- what makes top 8 the cut off? as i said, since we have existed, we're coming 9th/10th in the total number of wins. if we're a failure then so are the ones below us.
- we havent got a single wooden spoon and yet teams like dogs, roosters, eels etc who have a massive supporter base and money pouring in from every end have won it numerous times.
- not many teams have been able to get a top 4 spot back to back in that period either.

we've finished 9th or 10th on numerous occasions as well… one win here or there and we could've been looing at a 6/15 finals ratio which isnt too bad.

But we didn't snag those 1 or 2 wins that could have got us there. And a lot of the times our destiny was in our own hands.

You can't measure what could have been, only what was. If we were to look at stats since we existed I would be much happier to see us in top 4 than 9th / 10th.

If you aren't striving to be the best, there isn't much point in competing. Remember we are talking professional sport here not under 10's where you are happy for everyone just to have a good time.

Couldn't have said it better myself. There is a reason we didn't snag those extra 1 or 2 wins.

 

[Telltails]

Hybrid Tiger - Really!!!! Maybe a referring decision. or even a bit of bad luck on the day. Or was it simply because we were doomed to be a failure We all want our club to be the best that it can be, but as it stands today and as the two clubs that stood before the merge, financial constraints have always played a bearing on the level of success we have been able to achieve. Comparing our current roster with the cashed up clubs like the Roosters and Souths is like lining up A grade against D grade yet we operate under the same salary cap. TPAs make it very difficult for us to compete for elite players and coaches so we have to rely on a good crop of juniors to come through every 4-5 years and hope to god we can keep them. Until the money tree springs up things wont change and if you have been supporting this club long enough you know that's how it works. Yes the last six weeks have been horrendous. but we have been copping it enough from fans who support other clubs. So when our own fans argue their right as supporters of this club to call it a failure, and try to convince others of that. that's when we really become a laughing stock. Sorry but I don't call that supporting your club - especially when you even find excuses to under value the success's that we have achieved. I hate losing but I hope as a supporter of this club I hope I never get to the stage that your at.