ARLC scraps anthem

[hugh1954]

Does when a governing body wants to get involved in controlling the majority of people against their wishes. How about being a proud Australian or is that to much to ask these days

 

[twentyforty]

All Australians should be proud to sing our Anthem

That's the point. A significant portion aren't proud of it. Quite the opposite actually. As @happy_tiger said though. It's not an international, so why the outrage?

Our population has grown so quickly through immigration that 30% of Australians were born overseas.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Does when a governing body wants to get involved in controlling the majority of people against their wishes. How about being a proud Australian or is that to much to ask these days

Are you saying that not singing the anthem excludes you from being a proud Australian? I don’t think they have anything to do with one another.

 

[Harvey]

I think that as a group us forum member could come up with a new anthem, sort of like the 3 word story thread

 

[tbones10]

Does anyone know if the Maori's will be doing their anthem, "God Defend New Zealand".

 

[watersider]

I think it is possibly a case of I'll take this part of the system because it suits me, I won't take take that part because it doesn't.

Why? if it hurts so much, do the indigenous people take part in Australia Day celebrations. They do however choose to have their own flag flying, they choose not to sing the National Anthem but wish to take part in various celebrations with indigenous cultural dances etc.

How many apologies to these "Australians" want? We have said we are sorry, do we have to keep saying it indefinitely. Does not make it right but white Australians also were part of the stolen generation, you do not hear this mentioned very often.

You can't pick and choose - if we are going to grow as a nation, we have to all make sacrifices - the past is the past, let's move on as an integrated nation.

New Zealand is the model we should be looking at.

A number of points there:

1. Some Indigenous people do take part in Australia day activities, others don't. Best not to view it as a simple one dimensional situation that applies to everyone.

2. We apologised for stealing their children from them. There's been no treaty or Indigenous constitutional recognition. Current policies which are applied to Indigenous people rather than developed with them means there is dissatisfaction with the current situation. Indigenous incarceration remains very high, deaths and violence in custody also problematic. I don't think it's so much about apologies as much as actual meaningful change. But it isn't a simple clear solution, so I don't know that Indigenous people will be satisfied, and I don't necessarily think that we should expect them to be.

3. New Zealand has a treaty. New Zealand has a maori political party that has reserved seats in parliament. New Zealand has Maori names for landmarks and places. New Zealand has the maori language in their anthem. Are those who want them to sing the anthem also willing to accept those sort of changes? The uluru statement was recently rejected on the basis that an advisory Indigenous representative body might cause constitutional problems, so we're not even prepared to give them a representative body, let alone mandated parliamentary representation. But even in New Zealand there are issues that are still not resolved. That is colonisation. I don't really know why we need everyone to be contented. What is wrong with disagreement and protest? Why are we so sensitive?

 

[Demps]

I think an alternative hip hop anthem would be popular as a nod to the kangaroo and recognition to the the increasing number of aging people requiring joint replacement.

Snoop dog remix of Aussie anthem comming soon

Lolllll

 

[watersider]

Does when a governing body wants to get involved in controlling the majority of people against their wishes. How about being a proud Australian or is that to much to ask these days

You're allowed to be proud, but does everyone have to be? Isn't your suggestion that everyone should be proud or silent arguing for the exact sort of censorship you're supposedly against in arguing against this rising 'PC' movement? I'm not really sure what freedoms have been surrendered due to our new socialist PC way of life? I see our society becoming increasingly individualistic and disconnected rather than the supposed new socialist age we apparently inhabit. If the Indigenous all star team decides they don't want to sing the anthem then let them decide that, it doesn't imperil your freedoms.

 

[Demps]

Pride is a sin.

 

[Sabre]

If they hadn't announced the Anthem was being scrapped would anyone have even noticed?

 

[Demps]

If they hadn't announced the Anthem was being scrapped would anyone have even noticed?

No.
Not me, personally.

Its only a big deal to Cody.
Is he even playing?

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[jirskyr]

“God defend New Zealand”
The Kiwis should take responsibility for their own defence rather than leaving it all to God.

True story - the Kiwis have literally zero fighter craft in their airforce. They have about 50 aircraft, all transports or maritime patrol. In contrast Australia has about 100 jet fighters and about 300 aircraft total.

Kiwis only have 2 combat naval vessels as well - 2 ANZAC-class frigates. Adding to 4 patrol ships and 2 support vessels for a grand total of 10. Australia has 8 ANZAC-class frigates, 2 destroyers, 6 subs, a couple of landing vessels and support - about 50 active ships.

So they don't just leave it to God, they leave it to ANZUS as well!

 

[hobbo1]

“God defend New Zealand”
The Kiwis should take responsibility for their own defence rather than leaving it all to God.

True story - the Kiwis have literally zero fighter craft in their airforce. They have about 50 aircraft, all transports or maritime patrol. In contrast Australia has about 100 jet fighters and about 300 aircraft total.

Kiwis only have 2 combat naval vessels as well - 2 ANZAC-class frigates. Adding to 4 patrol ships and 2 support vessels for a grand total of 10. Australia has 8 ANZAC-class frigates, 2 destroyers, 6 subs, a couple of landing vessels and support - about 50 active ships.

So they don't just leave it to God, they leave it to ANZUS as well!

Do our subs work ?

 

[Go_You_Good_Things]

I see it as disrespectful and divisive. ( the non singing) But then again, I'm a nearly middle age, son of an immigrant, reasonably white male.
If we want to stop the division, maybe the non indigenous players turn their back at the "welcome to country" racist carrying on thing. It's only been around for a few years, so can't be all that important, right ? After all the NATIONAL ANTHEM is just 40 or so years old . . . but some think it's fine to chop and change it to suit one particular group of people .
Hang on . . . then everyone would be divisive. Can't have that now.
Being divisive, and to be free to be so, is the domain of only certain people.
It's our anthem. When EVERYONE doesn't like it, we have a referendum to change it.
Otherwise, next year it will be the Greeks who feel they are not represented fairly in the song. Then the Germans. Then the short people. It doesn't mention the gays, either. Or the fluid.
That's it. I'm getting Theo, Fritz, stumpy, Cyril and Les to write A letter to that bushfire causing, climate changer Scomo !!!

 

[Masterton]

Otherwise, next year it will be the Greeks who feel they are not represented fairly in the song. Then the Germans. Then the short people. It doesn't mention the gays, either. Or the fluid.

I love that argument. "When will it stop? If we allow gay marriage soon people will want to marry fish! " No. No they won't.

 

[cochise]

“God defend New Zealand”
The Kiwis should take responsibility for their own defence rather than leaving it all to God.

True story - the Kiwis have literally zero fighter craft in their airforce. They have about 50 aircraft, all transports or maritime patrol. In contrast Australia has about 100 jet fighters and about 300 aircraft total.

Kiwis only have 2 combat naval vessels as well - 2 ANZAC-class frigates. Adding to 4 patrol ships and 2 support vessels for a grand total of 10. Australia has 8 ANZAC-class frigates, 2 destroyers, 6 subs, a couple of landing vessels and support - about 50 active ships.

So they don't just leave it to God, they leave it to ANZUS as well!

https://youtu.be/7xUYbI64QHI

 

[Demps]

I see it as disrespectful and divisive. ( the non singing) But then again, I'm a nearly middle age, son of an immigrant, reasonably white male.
If we want to stop the division, maybe the non indigenous players turn their back at the "welcome to country" racist carrying on thing. It's only been around for a few years, so can't be all that important, right ? After all the NATIONAL ANTHEM is just 40 or so years old . . . but some think it's fine to chop and change it to suit one particular group of people .
Hang on . . . then everyone would be divisive. Can't have that now.
Being divisive, and to be free to be so, is the domain of only certain people.
It's our anthem. When EVERYONE doesn't like it, we have a referendum to change it.
Otherwise, next year it will be the Greeks who feel they are not represented fairly in the song. Then the Germans. Then the short people. It doesn't mention the gays, either. Or the fluid.
That's it. I'm getting Theo, Fritz, stumpy, Cyril and Les to write A letter to that bushfire causing, climate changer Scomo !!!

I dont think many if any players would turn theit back on any cultural things.

I think these indigenous fellas wanna he American so hard and this is their Kapernick moment.

I dont think its been a big issue in the past and in modern Australian the indigenous people are looked after and well respected... but whatever, if it makes em feel special...


 

[gallagher]

Otherwise, next year it will be the Greeks who feel they are not represented fairly in the song. Then the Germans. Then the short people. It doesn't mention the gays, either. Or the fluid.

I love that argument. "When will it stop? If we allow gay marriage soon people will want to marry fish! " No. No they won't.

The mermaid in aquaman was alright.

 

[Demps]

Otherwise, next year it will be the Greeks who feel they are not represented fairly in the song. Then the Germans. Then the short people. It doesn't mention the gays, either. Or the fluid.

I love that argument. "When will it stop? If we allow gay marriage soon people will want to marry fish! " No. No they won't.

The mermaid in aquaman was alright.

Jonny Depp would say otherwise.

Similar situation to Josh Reynolds'.

 

[gallagher]

Otherwise, next year it will be the Greeks who feel they are not represented fairly in the song. Then the Germans. Then the short people. It doesn't mention the gays, either. Or the fluid.

I love that argument. "When will it stop? If we allow gay marriage soon people will want to marry fish! " No. No they won't.

The mermaid in aquaman was alright.

Jonny Depp would say otherwise.

Similar situation to Josh Reynolds'.

Oh, maybe old Nicole then?