Don_Brodga
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@Geo. said:
OK, out of those players, who doesn't deserve to be there? Or are you happy with the garbage team we have at the moment?
Ashes 2009
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OK, out of those players, who doesn't deserve to be there? Or are you happy with the garbage team we have at the moment?
Could still be an interesting test if England were to get 150 in front and send Aussies back in after tea. Alternatively Australia bowl them out quickly tonight and then take a lead into the 2nd inns. All depending on weather though.
Does anyone know - The 4th test is it at Old Trafford or Trent Bridge?
Does anyone know - The 4th test is it at Old Trafford or Trent Bridge?
Yawn…i want my foxtel subscription discounted......
If we're to win this, we'll have to bowl em out by tea, bat like an odi game for about 1.5-2 sessions, declare around lunch tomorrow, set em about 270 odd and try and bowl em out in around 2 sessions, they'll be trying to make up time so it would be about 70 overs in those 2 sessions.
If the weather is fine I think the more likely scenario would be as what NJLM78 said, where they could get 150 odd run lead by stumps, maybe bat a bit tomorrow to get it to 200, and try and bowl us out. Basically the same scenario as the 1st test except the roles would be reversed.
The forecast isnt good for tomorrow anyway so i think it'll be a draw.
If the weather is fine I think the more likely scenario would be as what NJLM78 said, where they could get 150 odd run lead by stumps, maybe bat a bit tomorrow to get it to 200, and try and bowl us out. Basically the same scenario as the 1st test except the roles would be reversed.
The forecast isnt good for tomorrow anyway so i think it'll be a draw.
Must say….Congratulations Ricky Ponting...Australia's leading Test run scorer....It wen't unnoticed by me.....
Borders record stood for a long time....Ricky holds it with honour...hats off to you Punter
Borders record stood for a long time....Ricky holds it with honour...hats off to you Punter
Don_Brodga
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@Geo. said:
Was a shame Border knifed Steve Waugh before he could break the record.
Ponting has become a real grub as of late….just like Border.
@Don Brodga said:
Gee Don ..I know Steve he went of his own accord in his own time like the true champion he was…...Border had zero to do with it....blame Lynette
Some people really should think before they post stupid baseless unproven garbage.....
Don_Brodga
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@Geo. said:
So was that another Allan Border on the selection panel that all but forced Waugh's hand?
From where I'm sitting, not only was Steve Waugh, no matter what form he was in, doing a million times better job as captain than Ponting, but his own individual form wasn't as bad as Ponting's has been the past 12 months.
@Don Brodga said:
After reading Waugh's autobiography that wasnt the case, he wanted to spend more time with his kids.
As far as form goes, Waugh was in good touch when he retired on his own terms but when Waugh had that form slump, before that ashes Sydney test he had scored one 100 in 18 months, in the last 12 months Ponting scored a century in India, 101 and 99 vs South Africa, 100 in the first ashes test and some 50s in South Africa and against NZ.
We also had more depth in the Waugh era which wouldnt of helped him either. In saying that, Ive never rated Ponting as a very good captain and Waugh was a lot better, especially after a slow start to his captaincy.
@Jazza said:
Jazz don't let the truth get in the way of Don's conspiracy theories…the truth is often boring.....Waugh dumped cause Border's 11000 odd runs is going to look pitiful cause another great Aussie scored a few more......No mind Captain grumpy assisted in forging the player Waugh was to become....jealousy's a curse...
Juro
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Surely we can bat for 2 sessions tonight to ensure the draw. Is that asking too much?
G_Strombolli
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You wouldn't think so, would you, Juro? But the way we're looking…
So much was made of our Ashes loss in England last time but, from the looks of it, we haven't prepared at all. We still don't put value on swing bowling and, as difficult as it is, batting against swing. It seems like we're content to lose, and do so convincingly, in England, just as long as we win in Australia.
So much was made of our Ashes loss in England last time but, from the looks of it, we haven't prepared at all. We still don't put value on swing bowling and, as difficult as it is, batting against swing. It seems like we're content to lose, and do so convincingly, in England, just as long as we win in Australia.
king_sirro
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Exactly right Geo and Jazza, Waugh was in good touch when he retired and could have stayed on if he chose to.
@Juro said:
I guess it depends how fast we score. I thought England only needed to bat till around tea in the first test but they needed the whole day.
I think we'll have to bat more after tea because England will go after the target if say they need 200 at a run a ball.
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Ohhhh boy, Mr Cicket is gone now! And with Hadz not playing, our tail is long.
Waugh could have stayed but it was the right time for him to go.
Anyone who says Ponting is a poor captain doesn't know too much about cricket. He has followed a few greats in regards to captaincy so the chances of him living up to it were remote. He has one every trophy around and is the country's most prolific run-scorer in test cricket. When his gone, you will regret him not being there.
This test should fizzle out to a draw. No risks needed. Just stay 1-0 down with 2 to go.
Anyone who says Ponting is a poor captain doesn't know too much about cricket. He has followed a few greats in regards to captaincy so the chances of him living up to it were remote. He has one every trophy around and is the country's most prolific run-scorer in test cricket. When his gone, you will regret him not being there.
This test should fizzle out to a draw. No risks needed. Just stay 1-0 down with 2 to go.
Im not saying Ponting is a poor captain, to me he is average. The problem I have with his captaincy is that he can be to defensive. He backs his players with his positive attitude towards them and in the media, and his bowlers by persisting with them (like Johnson), but the one area where I dont think he backs his bowlers is with his field placements. He needs to have less fieldsman on the boundary to show that he thinks the bowler can take wickets.
Like yesterday there was a square leg on the boundary, I wanted him up, Prior played a hook shot, and it wouldve lobbed to the fieldsman if he was next to the umpire. In the first test, i remember Hauritz was bowling to Pietersen, he had 1 slip with fine leg on the boundary, and a square leg out as well, i wanted one of them at short leg (I even wrote it to cricinfo commentary and it got posted) and within an over the ball lobbed up off Pietersen's glove to where he wouldve been. In the end he got caught there when he put him there later anyway.
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Anyway as far as the match goes, there's another 68 overs left, we probably need to bat for another 45 overs at about 3 an over which would give us a lead of about 200 with 23 overs left.
Like yesterday there was a square leg on the boundary, I wanted him up, Prior played a hook shot, and it wouldve lobbed to the fieldsman if he was next to the umpire. In the first test, i remember Hauritz was bowling to Pietersen, he had 1 slip with fine leg on the boundary, and a square leg out as well, i wanted one of them at short leg (I even wrote it to cricinfo commentary and it got posted) and within an over the ball lobbed up off Pietersen's glove to where he wouldve been. In the end he got caught there when he put him there later anyway.
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Anyway as far as the match goes, there's another 68 overs left, we probably need to bat for another 45 overs at about 3 an over which would give us a lead of about 200 with 23 overs left.
Somtimes blokes on the boundry are there for numerous reasons. I'm quick to move blokes out as quick boundries can destrory a bowlers confidence. Thats what Piertersen tries to do. With a bloke on the fence you can tell him to keep trying and you now have protection. If the bloke is arrogant there is a real chance for a catch too. It could be the blokes get-out/release shot when under pressure too and taking that out of the equasion builds pressure. When your out of ideas as a captain as well, you go into damage control and limit the boundries untill something shows itself.
The bloke at deep square for Prior could have been that or a double bluff for the yorker. He plays most things in the air I believe. The fact the ball lobs there is one of those things that just happens. Same as when you move a player, and the ball goes in the air just where you moved him from.
The bloke at deep square for Prior could have been that or a double bluff for the yorker. He plays most things in the air I believe. The fact the ball lobs there is one of those things that just happens. Same as when you move a player, and the ball goes in the air just where you moved him from.
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