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Rambo2714

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1\. They sack the coach, when they cant afford to pay him out, would that not be a major consideration point prior to the decision ? if you cant afford something, don't do it ?

2\. Sheens coached WTs to a top 4 finish, 2 out of the last 3 seasons , i cant remember any coach being sacked the season after making the top 4 .

3\. If the next coach is a dud , then what ? The only coach in contention with ANY NRL head coaching experience is Jason Taylor , and ( based only on unreliable media reports) he does not seem to be the man who gets the Job.

The stability that Sheens provided will be dearly missed , its going to be a very nervous off season
 
The "stability" Sheens provided was half the problem. You could play like rubbish week in, week out and not only retain your spot but get contract extensions
 
@Rambo2714 said:
1\. They sack the coach, when they cant afford to pay him out, would that not be a major consideration point prior to the decision ? if you cant afford something, don't do it ?

2\. Sheens coached WTs to a top 4 finish, 2 out of the last 3 seasons , i cant remember any coach being sacked the season after making the top 4 .

3\. If the next coach is a dud , then what ? The only coach in contention with ANY NRL head coaching experience is Jason Taylor , and ( based only on unreliable media reports) he does not seem to be the man who gets the Job.

The stability that Sheens provided will be dearly missed , its going to be a very nervous off season
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Point 2\. Daniel Anderson from Parra, GF in 09 sacked end of 10.
Graham Murray from Roosters GF IN 00, sacked end of 01.
It happens.
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Your #1 point is the only bad decisions… The rest is based on opinions.

But standing down an employee without having the ability to make him go away is a very very bad decision!

Legally you can re-structure your business, and this is all WT's should of done to ensure no pay-out would be required... With Sheens ego, he would of walked before the start of the season!
 
Coaches need not tread over toes anymore who they select to play.Sheensy is experienced but he put up with the rubb ish week in and week out. Retaining Sheensy is important, however he needs someone to implement the tough decisions, a coach have to do, to make things work.Players need to be hungry to want to win all the time. Its about time we have to have workers not useby stars. The amount of skills and abilities are no used if we cannot made use of them to win a match.
 
Roosters punted the coach and the CEO. We should do the same. The fish rots from the head down!

Humpty Dumpty has to take part or all responsibility for some of the worst calls in years;

- Blair the worst signing ever by the club - 4 years at reported $400-$500k per season… :wtf
- Sheens sacked when they don't even have any get out clauses or the money to pay him out :crazy
- Moltzen signed & announced by Dragons, but then not actually signed according to Humpty, now what is it 😕
- Heighno (longest serving club man) told to turn back on lucrative Panthers deal for future with WT, then told to look else where again 😢
- Beau Ryan voted by many as our best player in 2012 but let go, and club still talking to Lote :bash
- Reports the WT club is now struggling financially. Where did that come from :question:
- The list goes on and on and on ......

A good CEO would not make or support so many poor key decisions. The Wests Tigers is a business and if it were on the stock market the CEO would have been run over the hot coals and sacked long ago.
 
@shano said:
Roosters punted the coach and the CEO. We should do the same. The fish rots from the head down!

Humpty Dumpty has to take part or all responsibility for some of the worst calls in years;

- Blair the worst signing ever by the club - 4 years at reported $400-$500k per season… :wtf
- Sheens sacked when they don't even have any get out clauses or the money to pay him out :crazy
- Moltzen signed & announced by Dragons, but then not actually signed according to Humpty, now what is it 😕
- Heighno (longest serving club man) told to turn back on lucrative Panthers deal for future with WT, then told to look else where again 😢
- Beau Ryan voted by many as our best player in 2012 but let go, and club still talking to Lote :bash
- Reports the WT club is now struggling financially. Where did that come from :question:
- The list goes on and on and on ......

A good CEO would not make or support so many poor key decisions. The Wests Tigers is a business and if it were on the stock market the CEO would have been run over the hot coals and sacked long ago.
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yep we are a basket case!
 
what i find interesting is David Trodden is a lawyer and would have known (and advised) the Board of the likely outcome of moving Tim to another position within the Club so unless they felt Tim would just 'rollover' there is probably a lot more to this than meets the eye from a contractual point of view
 
@snowleopard said:
what i find interesting is David Trodden is a lawyer and would have known (and advised) the Board of the likely outcome of moving Tim to another position within the Club so unless they felt Tim would just 'rollover' there is probably a lot more to this than meets the eye from a contractual point of view
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There could be more to it, or maybe not.

It could be straight forward:
Sheens position as head coach was untenable. We didn't have the cash to sack him outright. We demoted in the small hope he would either quit or take the Warriors job. If he didn't do that we just continue to pay him his normal wage and hope he takes another role elsewhere later on. Worst case scenario he brings in lawyers and possibly ends in a settlement with either part or full payout.

I doubt it will end up in court.
 
Agree with most of this Rambo … Absolute amateur hour ... This rash, overreaction has the potential to send us spiraling into the also ran abyss for quite a few seasons
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... or hey, we might just go broke. (or cut Balmain free... or something)
 
@Tiger Watto said:
Your #1 point is the only bad decisions… The rest is based on opinions.

But standing down an employee without having the ability to make him go away is a very very bad decision!

Legally you can re-structure your business, and this is all WT's should of done to ensure no pay-out would be required... With Sheens ego, he would of walked before the start of the season!
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@Tiger Watto said:
Your #1 point is the only bad decisions… The rest is based on opinions.

But standing down an employee without having the ability to make him go away is a very very bad decision!

Legally you can re-structure your business, and this is all WT's should of done to ensure no pay-out would be required... With Sheens ego, he would of walked before the start of the season!
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True I agree , the other 2 are my opinions and i stand by them

None the less , the first point is enough to make the board look like a bunch of idiots .
That is unless as suggested by our friend Snowpearl, Mr Trodden has a trick up his sleeve
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None the less , the first point is enough to make the board look like a bunch of idiots .
That is unless as suggested by our friend Snowpearl, Mr Trodden has a trick up his sleeve
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Put it this way..he is the Chairman as well as a Lawyer so if they have gone down the wrong path with Tim then he should be held accountable ultimately
 
The board are the ones that are accountable for this situation Sheens was on the decline 2 seasons ago … Personally before that,he should of never been given an upgrade to his contract the contract should of run its corse then it was thanks for the memory's and things would be in a very different place now. This is not what could of been this is what should of been the writing was well and truly on the wall!
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The Tigers did well despite Tim Sheens in 2010-11

Not because of him

He had arguably the 2nd best 6, 7 and 9 in the comp behind Melbourne

World's 2nd best second rower in Ellis

Outside backs like Tuqiri and Lawrence

If he didn't make top 4 in 201o-2011 he should of been sacked
 
They Sacked him because so many at the WTForum were unhappy. The rest is a byproduct and can be dealt with oer the next few years.
 
No one on this forum has seen Sheen's contract and are likely to. So we dont know what clauses were in the contract.It just maybe the case they cant just push him into another role due to clauses in the contract.

Really the board made a bad decision 14 months ago when they resigned him, but the call they made a few weeks ago was the RIGHT call. The old story sometimes you have to take a step back to go forward.
 
@Snodgrass said:
Agree with most of this Rambo … Absolute amateur hour ... This rash, overreaction has the potential to send us spiraling into the also ran abyss for quite a few seasons
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... or hey, we might just go broke. (or cut Balmain free... or something)
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youd love that Snoddy,
and if it ever happens rugby league will be dead in my household. and to be honest , the game hasnt been the same since the Tab got involved ,i could walk from the game easily .
 
@shano said:
Roosters punted the coach and the CEO. We should do the same. The fish rots from the head down!

Humpty Dumpty has to take part or all responsibility for some of the worst calls in years;

- Blair the worst signing ever by the club - 4 years at reported $400-$500k per season… :wtf
- Sheens sacked when they don't even have any get out clauses or the money to pay him out :crazy
- Moltzen signed & announced by Dragons, but then not actually signed according to Humpty, now what is it 😕
- Heighno (longest serving club man) told to turn back on lucrative Panthers deal for future with WT, then told to look else where again 😢
- Beau Ryan voted by many as our best player in 2012 but let go, and club still talking to Lote :bash
- Reports the WT club is now struggling financially. Where did that come from :question:
- The list goes on and on and on ......

A good CEO would not make or support so many poor key decisions. The Wests Tigers is a business and if it were on the stock market the CEO would have been run over the hot coals and sacked long ago.
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Good call…I agree with all this...these are points that should be put to the Board for explanation.I dont mean Humpty, but the whole Board.
 
The club made a tough decision in my eyes and should be applauded for it. It probably hasn't played out as clean as it could've or should've but it shouldn't take away from the original decision. Blind freddy could see we needed a change at head coach and let's be honest. It was never going to be clean.
 
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