Balmain seek extension..Wests Tigers

[gallagher]

I've posted it before ages ago but school mate of mine when he was at uni doing his business marketing degree it came up about sports in Australia and most marketable teams/logos. The tiger (rugby league variant) is in the top 3-4 can't remember exactly, most marketable sporting brands in this country. This killed him being a diehard dragons man!

The NRL aren't stupid no matter who's running the game, to think they will give away a marketing position like that to rehash an old team is a fantasy at best.

As for the original topic at hand, i don't want to see balmain die but it seems as though they're just shuffling deck chairs on the titanic.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-top-20-most-valuable-australian-sports-brands-2013-12
Not even in the top 20 according to these guys.

 

[glebe_tiger]

I'm not surprised in todays rankings. When my mate was in uni it was the late 90s, early 2000's.

 

[tigermac88]

I've posted it before ages ago but school mate of mine when he was at uni doing his business marketing degree it came up about sports in Australia and most marketable teams/logos. The tiger (rugby league variant) is in the top 3-4 can't remember exactly, most marketable sporting brands in this country. This killed him being a diehard dragons man!

The NRL aren't stupid no matter who's running the game, to think they will give away a marketing position like that to rehash an old team is a fantasy at best.

As for the original topic at hand, i don't want to see balmain die but it seems as though they're just shuffling deck chairs on the titanic.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-top-20-most-valuable-australian-sports-brands-2013-12
Not even in the top 20 according to these guys.

The last sentence of the article states "There were an equal number of respondents from each Australian region and no team colours/logos were included to ensure minimal noise."

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I've posted it before ages ago but school mate of mine when he was at uni doing his business marketing degree it came up about sports in Australia and most marketable teams/logos. The tiger (rugby league variant) is in the top 3-4 can't remember exactly, most marketable sporting brands in this country. This killed him being a diehard dragons man!

The NRL aren't stupid no matter who's running the game, to think they will give away a marketing position like that to rehash an old team is a fantasy at best.

As for the original topic at hand, i don't want to see balmain die but it seems as though they're just shuffling deck chairs on the titanic.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-top-20-most-valuable-australian-sports-brands-2013-12
Not even in the top 20 according to these guys.

Putting a value on a sports emblem is like herding cats.
Some people support a team simply because they live in that teams area.
Some because they like the colours
Some because they have a favourite player from that team
Some because they grew up in a family that supported that team.
And yes, some even because they like the emblem.
There's many reasons.
But putting a monetary value on an emblem , is almost impossible to do with any accuracy.
When you look at the numbers of supporters over the last two ot three years, the most valuable emblem would most likely be Souths. Haven't they got more members than anyone else in the game? The Broncos would have to be up there as well, (being in a one team town the size of Brisbane) and there emblem is a Horse( hardly inspiring)
Where is this torrent of money that our emblem pulls in for us?.
Supporters and sponsorare are what brings in most of the money, and they vary with the amount of success that a club has.
When we won the Compwe sold a heap of merchandise, when Souths won the comp they would have sold a hell of a lot more.
Why ? because both teams were highly sucessfull.
Does anyone really believe that if we had a different emblem, or Souths had a different emblem, it would have made a difference.
Same with the Afl
Collingwood has a magpie and a massive supporter base. How does tha fit in with the emblem theories?
I'm not sure if there is a Tiger emblem in the AFL( because of an almost complete lack of knowledge of the game) but , if there is , are they getting much monetary gain from their emblem?
I repeat, I DONT want to change ours, but am still waiting for the financial benefit that we are supposed to be getting for it

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I've posted it before ages ago but school mate of mine when he was at uni doing his business marketing degree it came up about sports in Australia and most marketable teams/logos. The tiger (rugby league variant) is in the top 3-4 can't remember exactly, most marketable sporting brands in this country. This killed him being a diehard dragons man!

The NRL aren't stupid no matter who's running the game, to think they will give away a marketing position like that to rehash an old team is a fantasy at best.

As for the original topic at hand, i don't want to see balmain die but it seems as though they're just shuffling deck chairs on the titanic.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-top-20-most-valuable-australian-sports-brands-2013-12
Not even in the top 20 according to these guys.

The last sentence of the article states "There were an equal number of respondents from each Australian region and no team colours/logos were included to ensure minimal noise."

Penrith??? Sounds like the boys from the finance department had been having a long Friday Lunch

 

[TrueTiger]

I've posted it before ages ago but school mate of mine when he was at uni doing his business marketing degree it came up about sports in Australia and most marketable teams/logos. The tiger (rugby league variant) is in the top 3-4 can't remember exactly, most marketable sporting brands in this country. This killed him being a diehard dragons man!

The NRL aren't stupid no matter who's running the game, to think they will give away a marketing position like that to rehash an old team is a fantasy at best.

As for the original topic at hand, i don't want to see balmain die but it seems as though they're just shuffling deck chairs on the titanic.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-top-20-most-valuable-australian-sports-brands-2013-12
Not even in the top 20 according to these guys.

Putting a value on a sports emblem is like herding cats.
Some people support a team simply because they live in that teams area.
Some because they like the colours
Some because they have a favourite player from that team
Some because they grew up in a family that supported that team.
And yes, some even because they like the emblem.
There's many reasons.
But putting a monetary value on an emblem , is almost impossible to do with any accuracy.
When you look at the numbers of supporters over the last two ot three years, the most valuable emblem would most likely be Souths. Haven't they got more members than anyone else in the game? The Broncos would have to be up there as well, (being in a one team town the size of Brisbane) and there emblem is a Horse( hardly inspiring)
Where is this torrent of money that our emblem pulls in for us?.
Supporters and sponsorare are what brings in most of the money, and they vary with the amount of success that a club has.
When we won the Compwe sold a heap of merchandise, when Souths won the comp they would have sold a hell of a lot more.
Why ? because both teams were highly sucessfull.
Does anyone really believe that if we had a different emblem, or Souths had a different emblem, it would have made a difference.
Same with the Afl
Collingwood has a magpie and a massive supporter base. How does tha fit in with the emblem theories?
I'm not sure if there is a Tiger emblem in the AFL( because of an almost complete lack of knowledge of the game) but , if there is , are they getting much monetary gain from their emblem?
I repeat, I DONT want to change ours, but am still waiting for the financial benefit that we are supposed to be getting for it

GCT,to put things in perspective,and this is just a hypothetical question…when the Magpies and Tigers formed the JV and the inner sanctum decided that we will be known as the eg" Western Wildcats",do you think we would of had the supporter base we have now or the interest within our club? I don't think so because at least we could all say at the very least that we have half an NRL team to follow because of the union of both foundation clubs..which brings me to the logo,it kept my interest because of my Balmain membership from before the JV,same would go for the Maggie supporters....if we were to be known as the wildcats,I dare say I would have been following another sport by now,also look at some of the other franchises such as Seagulls,Mariners etc,where have they gone ?

 

[cktiger]

Unfortunately you can't put much stock in the top 20 Gallagher posted ( not his choices obviously )
The report didn't include the marketing value of colours or logos and was based on God knows what.
Having dealt with marketing 'types' my whole life they tend come up with the right answers for whoever is paying them.
If the thing was REALLY based on current brand value and association , on the rugby league side, as much as I loathe them, Souths would be in front by a country mile- and they didn't make it into that top 20.
They would most likely followed by the Broncos.

 

[Basil_Tiger]

That's why Balmain v Wests should be left in the past and possibly even banned from discussion. Why continue to promote disharmony amongst the fan base?

Hey BB,Balmain Boy the racehorse(that runs in Souths colours unfortunately) returns from a spell in Sydney Race 8 today 5.05pm.It has a bit of ability but first up on a soft track is a worry but at 20.1 surely worth $5 each way.

 

[magpiecol]

I've posted it before ages ago but school mate of mine when he was at uni doing his business marketing degree it came up about sports in Australia and most marketable teams/logos. The tiger (rugby league variant) is in the top 3-4 can't remember exactly, most marketable sporting brands in this country. This killed him being a diehard dragons man!

The NRL aren't stupid no matter who's running the game, to think they will give away a marketing position like that to rehash an old team is a fantasy at best.

As for the original topic at hand, i don't want to see balmain die but it seems as though they're just shuffling deck chairs on the titanic.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-top-20-most-valuable-australian-sports-brands-2013-12
Not even in the top 20 according to these guys.

Putting a value on a sports emblem is like herding cats.
Some people support a team simply because they live in that teams area.
Some because they like the colours
Some because they have a favourite player from that team
Some because they grew up in a family that supported that team.
And yes, some even because they like the emblem.
There's many reasons.
But putting a monetary value on an emblem , is almost impossible to do with any accuracy.
When you look at the numbers of supporters over the last two ot three years, the most valuable emblem would most likely be Souths. Haven't they got more members than anyone else in the game? The Broncos would have to be up there as well, (being in a one team town the size of Brisbane) and there emblem is a Horse( hardly inspiring)
Where is this torrent of money that our emblem pulls in for us?.
Supporters and sponsorare are what brings in most of the money, and they vary with the amount of success that a club has.
When we won the Compwe sold a heap of merchandise, when Souths won the comp they would have sold a hell of a lot more.
Why ? because both teams were highly sucessfull.
Does anyone really believe that if we had a different emblem, or Souths had a different emblem, it would have made a difference.
Same with the Afl
Collingwood has a magpie and a massive supporter base. How does tha fit in with the emblem theories?
I'm not sure if there is a Tiger emblem in the AFL( because of an almost complete lack of knowledge of the game) but , if there is , are they getting much monetary gain from their emblem?
I repeat, I DONT want to change ours, but am still waiting for the financial benefit that we are supposed to be getting for it

GCT,to put things in perspective,and this is just a hypothetical question…when the Magpies and Tigers formed the JV and the inner sanctum decided that we will be known as the eg" Western Wildcats",do you think we would of had the supporter base we have now or the interest within our club? I don't think so because at least we could all say at the very least that we have half an NRL team to follow because of the union of both foundation clubs..which brings me to the logo,it kept my interest because of my Balmain membership from before the JV,same would go for the Maggie supporters....if we were to be known as the wildcats,I dare say I would have been following another sport by now,also look at some of the other franchises such as Seagulls,Mariners etc,where have they gone ?

So if the Brisbane Broncos changed their name to the Brisbane Water Rats they would lose all their supporters?

Please.

 

[TrueTiger]

Wake up and smell the roses Col…I was talking about two foundation clubs becoming a JV,not a standalone rich first time Qld club..don't look for an argument,you might bite off more than you can chew.

 

[Abraham]

So if the Brisbane Broncos changed their name to the Brisbane Water Rats they would lose all their supporters?

Please.

No, but if they merged with the Gold Coast and become known as the Gold Coast Water Rats they would.

Apples with apples col.

Now get back to Facebook.

 

[innsaneink]

hhahahaha

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-top-20-most-valuable-australian-sports-brands-2013-12
Not even in the top 20 according to these guys.

Putting a value on a sports emblem is like herding cats.
Some people support a team simply because they live in that teams area.
Some because they like the colours
Some because they have a favourite player from that team
Some because they grew up in a family that supported that team.
And yes, some even because they like the emblem.
There's many reasons.
But putting a monetary value on an emblem , is almost impossible to do with any accuracy.
When you look at the numbers of supporters over the last two ot three years, the most valuable emblem would most likely be Souths. Haven't they got more members than anyone else in the game? The Broncos would have to be up there as well, (being in a one team town the size of Brisbane) and there emblem is a Horse( hardly inspiring)
Where is this torrent of money that our emblem pulls in for us?.
Supporters and sponsorare are what brings in most of the money, and they vary with the amount of success that a club has.
When we won the Compwe sold a heap of merchandise, when Souths won the comp they would have sold a hell of a lot more.
Why ? because both teams were highly sucessfull.
Does anyone really believe that if we had a different emblem, or Souths had a different emblem, it would have made a difference.
Same with the Afl
Collingwood has a magpie and a massive supporter base. How does tha fit in with the emblem theories?
I'm not sure if there is a Tiger emblem in the AFL( because of an almost complete lack of knowledge of the game) but , if there is , are they getting much monetary gain from their emblem?
I repeat, I DONT want to change ours, but am still waiting for the financial benefit that we are supposed to be getting for it

GCT,to put things in perspective,and this is just a hypothetical question…when the Magpies and Tigers formed the JV and the inner sanctum decided that we will be known as the eg" Western Wildcats",do you think we would of had the supporter base we have now or the interest within our club? I don't think so because at least we could all say at the very least that we have half an NRL team to follow because of the union of both foundation clubs..which brings me to the logo,it kept my interest because of my Balmain membership from before the JV,same would go for the Maggie supporters....if we were to be known as the wildcats,I dare say I would have been following another sport by now,also look at some of the other franchises such as Seagulls,Mariners etc,where have they gone ?

So if the Brisbane Broncos changed their name to the Brisbane Water Rats they would lose all their supporters?

Please.

I agree with TT that they would lose some diehard supporters if that happened, but most would realise that they were still The same team, and with the same colours, players and ground , and would Stick with the team,
after a short time most would accept the new emblem.
And supporters that came on board after the change wouldn't care at all
As for those other emblems that are not around they have nothing to do with what we are talking about. As those whole clubs disbanded or were kicked out,
Just remember that both the Tiger, and the Magpie emblems were not immune to losing their placein the league and came close on a couple of occasions
Balmain went into the JV because they weren't were shakey as well as Wests.
If things were different. Do you think that Parra would have kept the Tiger in the alternative JV

 

[Yossarian]

Seriously I think you're wrong GCT. If for the sake of argument the team name changed to Wests Magpies you'd lose plenty of fans from a not exactly massive base of attending fans and members.

To answer your las question, yes. Dennis Fitzgerald massively coveted the Tigers name. They'd still be the Parramatta Tigers.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Seriously I think you're wrong GCT. If for the sake of argument the team name changed to Wests Magpies you'd lose plenty of fans from a not exactly massive base of attending fans and members.

To answer your las question, yes. Dennis Fitzgerald massively coveted the Tigers name. They'd still be the Parramatta Tigers.

I never mentioned our emblem changing to a magpie,
just questioned the monetary value of emblems in general, and raised the probability that success ( or lack of success) is the main thing that determines how much money comes into a club.
Not what emblem is on the jumper
Win and it doesn't matter what is on your jumper except to the diehard supporters.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Changing it back to the Magpies will only serve to alienate two thirds of the supporter base. It is a ridiculous business move. The same would apply if the shoe was on the other foot.

I can't believe anyone would suggest changing things again and putting the kids (who I would say are the a good chunk of the supporter base,) through the same disappointment and heartbreak that the old Wests and Balmain fans went through with the JV in the first place.

 

[Yossarian]

Seriously I think you're wrong GCT. If for the sake of argument the team name changed to Wests Magpies you'd lose plenty of fans from a not exactly massive base of attending fans and members.

To answer your las question, yes. Dennis Fitzgerald massively coveted the Tigers name. They'd still be the Parramatta Tigers.

I never mentioned our emblem changing to a magpie,
just questioned the monetary value of emblems in general, and raised the probability that success ( or lack of success) is the main thing that determines how much money comes into a club.
Not what emblem is on the jumper
Win and it doesn't matter what is on your jumper except to the diehard supporters.

Hence me saying "for the sake of argument" and let's face it why would there be a change from Tiger to anything other than Magpie.

Again I submit that you're dead wrong with your assertion. If I wanted to support a fantasticly successful winning team there are much better options than Balmain and now Wests Tigers. So yes winning is awesome but there are other considerations when it comes to supporting a team.

 

[magpiecol]

So if the Brisbane Broncos changed their name to the Brisbane Water Rats they would lose all their supporters?

Please.

No, but if they merged with the Gold Coast and become known as the Gold Coast Water Rats they would.

Apples with apples col.

Now get back to Facebook.

I guess we will never know. Speculation on everyone's part.

What is Facebook A?

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Changing it back to the Magpies will only serve to alienate two thirds of the supporter base. It is a ridiculous business move. The same would apply if the shoe was on the other foot.

I can't believe anyone would suggest changing things again and putting the kids (who I would say are the a good chunk of the supporter base,) through the same disappointment and heartbreak that the old Wests and Balmain fans went through with

I'll repeat for those who didn't read the post fully
I DIDNT suggest wanting to change the tiger emblem for a Magpie one,
In fact I pointed out that I didn't want to change it .

 

[gallagher]

Doesn't look like too many fans want balmain to get the extension. Maybe we have more of a united fan base than we thought.