Banji may seek release to play rugby in japan

[tigersrule4life]

We should have taken the opportunity to release him from his contract at the end of 2013\. He's only gonna be a liability in 2014-15, too fat, too slow, still making dumb decisions and hold back the development of someone like Sironen.

Sironen will be most likely to end up in the second row, don't see how Benji is holding back his development.

True thats why Tim Sheens moved Chirs Hegino on we need to look at the future and its bright.

 

[innsaneink]

The NRL is just begging for an Industrial Relations lawyer to make a name and indeed a career out of their dated attitude. They would include any money earned in another code in the clubs salary cap calculations?

Im not claiming to know too much about this but i thought an employer had the right to stop an employee working somewhere else. I know my last 2 jobs if i wanted to gain extra work elsewhere u had to get permission as was the terms if my employment.

Interesting that the style of contract used by NRL clubs seems to be exactly the same, the result of the NRL and Players Association creating the document in the first place I expect. I wonder which manager/player combination will be the first to construct their own version of a contract, one that suits the needs and the agenda of the player. One that could detail a specific period of employment by calendar year, within the pages of the agreement. That would be the logical place to start.

Citizen Tiger, I started a thread in the NRL section stating that allowing them to play O/S could be the solution to alot of the player drain and suspect it is only a matter of time before someone contests some aspects of the current contract system.

I know there is a bit of discontent around long term (as well as permanent injuries) seeing players lose 80% of the remaining contract.

Doesnt help grow the sport theyre going to though….much like all the Aussies and Kiwis in the ESL

The NRL are concerned clubs will try to circumvent the cap by allowing players to head offshore and earn big bucks stnding around catching colds under the guise of playing shimono union.
Players enter into agreements, earn mega bucks over there as compensated for minimal contract here under the cap...teams could be in cahoots, weve seen clubs stoop to all sorts of levels to gain an edge

The quality of the product here is affected, as someone mentioned, one minute theyre playing too much...now they wanna play more.....only the players, agents and sharks benefit

To me it seems a case of overkill....the elite players need to rest, im in favour of them earning what they can, but it also irritates me when I see a bloke who has it all still wanting more...and I see the opposing point of view too.....its a team sport but this is going right away from that very fabric...its all ''me, me, me''

 

[happy_tiger]

Tauber is a tosser

So he brings this up again and then turns around as says he doesn't think Banji will go overseas then because he will have a young family by this stage

Then why the hell would you bring it up and cause this furore :brick:

Benji the best advice I think we could all give you is "get a manager with at least half a friggin brain"

Stop big noting Tauber ,crawl back under the pebble you came from you nuffy

 

[LaT]

I think if someone challenges the system to be allowed a release mid-contract to play union and return a few months later to a waiting contract, it would be a slam dunk in the NRLs favour, the player would lose easily.

Where it might be get murky is when players contracts end and they choose to go to union and return to start a brand new contract. Technically there is nothing stopping them but the NRL has discretionary powers to stop it like they did with Benji back in 2009, if the NRL believes the player and club have an arrangement in place (which we did). A player might challenge on that point.

But trying to argue about getting a release to play union mid contract? No way.

I'm not a lawyer though, so this is only my opinion.

I think its a very good opinion though. That is exactly where the NRL would seem to be on shaky ground.

**I remember players used to play in England in or offseason in the past and vice versa. I would hate to see him play rugby but is it any different from in the past when players went to England to play?**

It looks like it wont happen as it is too late for this year and the Rugby League World Cup at the end of next year will also stop Benji from playing rugby in Japan (season will be half over by the time the world cup ends).

I think the AFL have the most to fear about restriant of trade. It will only take one player to take them to court and their whole draft and trade period will be kicked out. The AFL know this which is why there is no way they will de-register that Adeliade player for trying to work the system. He might get a few pre saeason game suppesion and maybe one or two regular games. The AFL would be screwed without their draft and they know it.

I'm not 100% about this, but I think they have made changes to stop this from happening after Joey played for Warrington a while ago.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

I always figured the playing in England in the off-season stopped due to the ESL changing their season to be inline with the NRL season?

 

[Snodgrass]

ok by me let him go bring in curtis sirronen with miller half a bit young but the future is bright.

As an old Wests man I clearly remember the horrible day when the Bulldogs ripped Terry Lamb off us … And some sad old man with 'club official' written on his blazer bobbed up in front of the media, swinging like a drunk shadow boxer and said, "arrrggghh who needs him, we've got young Brett Davidson champing at the bit for the number six jersey".

 

[Snodgrass]

Bloody hell. Not this crap again. If he kicks up a stink this time get rid of him.

That's uncanny Stryker … I was sharing a red wine and styro wafer with my old mate Georgie Pell last week when he got this call on his mobile, and I kid you not that's the exact same thing he screamed into the Nokia.

"Bloody hell. not this crap again. if he kicks up a stink this time get rid of him"
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[Snodgrass]

Bloody hell. Not this crap again. If he kicks up a stink this time get rid of him.

That's uncanny Stryker … I was sharing a red wine and styro wafer with my old mate Georgie Pell last week when he got this call on his mobile, and I kid you not that's the exact same thing he screamed into the Nokia.

"Bloody hell. not this crap again. if he kicks up a stink this time get rid of him"
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Geez Willow must be watching Hamish and Andy … The post has lasted half an hour and counting.

 

[innsaneink]

LOL

 

[sunshine_coast_tiger]

I always figured the playing in England in the off-season stopped due to the ESL changing their season to be inline with the NRL season?

You are correct the season being in line with one another did stop it. Before the change many players played in the other competition and it went both ways. The players that did this always missed a lot if not all of pre season training and risked injuries. I was just pointing out that even though it is a different code a player playing in Japan or weherever is not a lot different from what used to happen a lot in the past. Players i can remember off the top of my head that did play in the off season include: Bret Kenney, Peter Sterling, Mal Menninga, Andrew Johns, Steve Roach, Ellery Hanley, Garry Schofield, Andy Currier etc… They were amongst the elite players at the time and they all did it for the challenge but mostly I imagine to make more coin.

 

[Cosimo_Zaretti]

I think the NRL would take a very dim view of this, and rightly so. WT would love to be able to toss a marquee player like Marshall an extra million to sweeten the deal. Club funds and salary cap restrictions don't allow them to do this, so it would be a nice little workaround to loan him to an overseas Rugby club in the off season and have them pick up the extra. Rugby Union halves can generally stay out of trouble and aren't expected to do any work in decence, so Benji would make some very easy money with minimal injury risk.

If it were allowed to go ahead it would be a massive salary cap rort, hell the league doesn't even want Danny Buderas doing off season work as an assistant coach in Union.

 

[Citizen_Tiger]

I think the NRL would take a very dim view of this, and rightly so. WT would love to be able to toss a marquee player like Marshall an extra million to sweeten the deal. Club funds and salary cap restrictions don't allow them to do this, so it would be a nice little workaround to loan him to an overseas Rugby club in the off season and have them pick up the extra. Rugby Union halves can generally stay out of trouble and aren't expected to do any work in decence, so Benji would make some very easy money with minimal injury risk.

If it were allowed to go ahead it would be a massive salary cap rort, hell the league doesn't even want Danny Buderas doing off season work as an assistant coach in Union.

Rugby 10's are the busiest players on the field. In attack they operate under much greater defensive pressure because of the proximity of defenders , positioned significantly closer in RU than RL. Even a second receiver in RL still has plenty of metres between himself and the defence and therefore more time for decision making. In Rugby the offside lines are governed by the last feet of the defending side at the breakdown. Tell Jonny Wilkinson or Dan Carter they're not expected to defend. The fly half is targeted by most attacking teams and generally has plenty of traffic coming at him, in particular loose forwards

 

[Goose]

I think the NRL would take a very dim view of this, and rightly so. WT would love to be able to toss a marquee player like Marshall an extra million to sweeten the deal. Club funds and salary cap restrictions don't allow them to do this, so it would be a nice little workaround to loan him to an overseas Rugby club in the off season and have them pick up the extra. Rugby Union halves can generally stay out of trouble and aren't expected to do any work in decence, so Benji would make some very easy money with minimal injury risk.

If it were allowed to go ahead it would be a massive salary cap rort, hell the league doesn't even want Danny Buderas doing off season work as an assistant coach in Union.

Rugby 10's are the busiest players on the field. In attack they operate under much greater defensive pressure because of the proximity of defenders , positioned significantly closer in RU than RL. Even a second receiver in RL still has plenty of metres between himself and the defence and therefore more time for decision making. In Rugby the offside lines are governed by the last feet of the defending side at the breakdown. Tell Jonny Wilkinson or Dan Carter they're not expected to defend. The fly half is targeted by most attacking teams and generally has plenty of traffic coming at him, in particular loose forwards

gone are the good old days where the five eight got a free pass in defence. I cant remember which forward it is, I think it is SImon Poideven, tells the story in his after dinner routine, where the coach is going off at Mark Ella missing 3 tackles, and he is thinking about time some one had a go at the protected species, than he turned to the forward and blasts him, how come you let 3 blokes get to Mark….

Those days are well gone, they run everyone at the 10 these days.

 

[Citizen_Tiger]

I think the NRL would take a very dim view of this, and rightly so. WT would love to be able to toss a marquee player like Marshall an extra million to sweeten the deal. Club funds and salary cap restrictions don't allow them to do this, so it would be a nice little workaround to loan him to an overseas Rugby club in the off season and have them pick up the extra. Rugby Union halves can generally stay out of trouble and aren't expected to do any work in decence, so Benji would make some very easy money with minimal injury risk.

If it were allowed to go ahead it would be a massive salary cap rort, hell the league doesn't even want Danny Buderas doing off season work as an assistant coach in Union.

Rugby 10's are the busiest players on the field. In attack they operate under much greater defensive pressure because of the proximity of defenders , positioned significantly closer in RU than RL. Even a second receiver in RL still has plenty of metres between himself and the defence and therefore more time for decision making. In Rugby the offside lines are governed by the last feet of the defending side at the breakdown. Tell Jonny Wilkinson or Dan Carter they're not expected to defend. The fly half is targeted by most attacking teams and generally has plenty of traffic coming at him, in particular loose forwards

gone are the good old days where the five eight got a free pass in defence. I cant remember which forward it is, I think it is SImon Poideven, tells the story in his after dinner routine, where the coach is going off at Mark Ella missing 3 tackles, and he is thinking about time some one had a go at the protected species, than he turned to the forward and blasts him, how come you let 3 blokes get to Mark….

Those days are well gone, they run everyone at the 10 these days.

lol…....I reckon Mark was a pretty decent defender though, he could hit, stick and slide with the best of them. Would have been good playing with Poido and Cheika in your back row eh?

 

[cktiger]

ok by me let him go bring in curtis sirronen with miller half a bit young but the future is bright.

As an old Wests man I clearly remember the horrible day **when the Bulldogs ripped Terry Lamb off us** … And some sad old man with 'club official' written on his blazer bobbed up in front of the media, swinging like a drunk shadow boxer and said, "arrrggghh who needs him, we've got young Brett Davidson champing at the bit for the number six jersey".

They didn't exactly rip him off Wests , Snoddy - he was a Canterbury junior.
He just went home.