Banji may seek release to play rugby in japan

[weststigers4life]

Benji has no sheens get out clause in his contract…. Seriously where do these stories come from. If any club let a player put that in his contract the CEO should be sacked.

Mr 5% trying to line his pockets and his players pockets. Good too see the club being proactive for a change and putting this rumor to bed.

 

[tsjonathan]

Ill be happy to show you around Tokyo Benji!

Let's go for a drink in Roppingi mate!

 

[Citizen_Tiger]

Tauber now on Fox Sports. Basically says it is a non-story.

Not seeking a release. If we wanted to get a clearance he'd need to talk to club and NRL.
Contracted until 2015, nothing has changed.
No "official" talks about playing in Japan
Story this morning was misleading
Too late this season to play in Japan anyway - not going to happen.
Mentions previous attempt that Gallop knocked back. Talks about restraint of trade at the time.
Says next year with the RLWC he won't be able to do it either.

This is the bog standard RL contract

http://www.sportingpulse.com/get_file.cgi?id=1126424

Note that the term of the agreement is from the execution date until four weeks after the season end in the year of the agreements expiry. Note Section 3.15\. The player would need to rely on the club's good nature or negotiate an amendment. Better still, have the condition excluded at the time the contract is signed. Banjo is contracted until the end of 2015? I think a restraint of trade action by a player and manager is inevitable. You have a period of six months where no Rugby League is played and to deter a player from earning significant dollars in a much more lucrative sporting market is akin to serfdom

 

[LaT]

Tauber now on Fox Sports. Basically says it is a non-story.

Not seeking a release. If we wanted to get a clearance he'd need to talk to club and NRL.
Contracted until 2015, nothing has changed.
No "official" talks about playing in Japan
Story this morning was misleading
Too late this season to play in Japan anyway - not going to happen.
Mentions previous attempt that Gallop knocked back. Talks about restraint of trade at the time.
Says next year with the RLWC he won't be able to do it either.

This is the bog standard RL contract

http://www.sportingpulse.com/get_file.cgi?id=1126424

Note that the term of the agreement is from the execution date until four weeks after the season end in the year of the agreements expiry. Note Section 3.15\. The player would need to rely on the club's good nature or negotiate an amendment. Better still, have the condition excluded at the time the contract is signed. Banjo is contracted until the end of 2015? **I think a restraint of trade action by a player and manager is inevitable. You have a period of six months where no Rugby League is played and to deter a player from earning significant dollars in a much more lucrative sporting market is akin to serfdom**

Its more like 4 months of no league being played, but you still need to consider pre season which is vital and still considered fulltime, its not optional.

Equating this to serfdom is quite a reach.

 

[Guest]

Marshall forced to put plans to moonlight in Japan on hold
November 16, 2012
Glenn Jackson
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AS WITH Danny Buderus's ill-fated attempts to flit to rugby union, Benji Marshall's brief flirtation with the rival code was just that - brief. Just hours after the prospect of Marshall seeking a release to play a lucrative guest stint in Japanese rugby union was raised, Wests Tigers and the NRL quickly slammed the door on any such proposal.

The NRL's interim chief executive, Shane Mattiske, maintained last night any attempt by Marshall, or others, to seek a release to play an off-season in Japan would require money earned to be included in the salary cap the following season.

And while Sonny Bill Williams's one-year deal with Sydney Roosters - yet to be signed off by the NRL - pricked the interest of other league players who might consider signing short-term deals to secure a payday in the off-season, Mattiske warned there was ''no obligation on the part of the game to accept a future registration''.

Tigers chief executive Stephen Humphreys reacted swiftly to the provocative comments by Marshall's manager, Martin Tauber, following concerned calls from supporters and sponsors, saying: ''Let me put your minds at rest. This will not be happening.''

Mattiske was equally adamant: ''The precedent in relation to the sort of thing Benji's manager has floated is pretty clear. We have looked at those sort of models before and rejected them.

''While every case is looked at on its merits, any artificial termination that was designed to allow a player to earn more money and return to the same club would be included within the cap.

''If a player were to head to a different club it would require some release on their part from normal training and we would have the ability to deem the rugby payments as part of the cap.''

He added: ''It is important to note that we are still to accept the proposal made by Sonny Bill.''

Tauber later backed away from any suggestion Marshall would seek a release from his Tigers contract, which expires at the end of 2015\. But he did say the New Zealand captain might still consider a stint in Japan when it does.

''It's something we might consider at the end of his current contract,'' Tauber said.

Tauber also urged NRL officials not to deny players the chance to earn more money from lucrative guest stints when their contracts do expire.

''I just think we've got a closed mind to this,'' he said.

Tauber had stated he would seek an audience with Humphreys in an attempt to explore the possibility of a release. It appears that meeting is now redundant.

''I have spoken with Benji's manager, Martin Tauber, this morning who assures me that Benji is totally committed to his contract with Wests Tigers for the next three seasons,'' Humphreys said.

''The most important message for [Wests Tigers supporters] is that Benji Marshall will remain an integral member of our team and will not be seeking a release from his contract.''

Marshall had first raised the prospect of a stint in Japanese rugby union in 2009, but his plan was thwarted by then NRL chief executive David Gallop.

Several months ago, as it became clear what Williams planned to do, he again raised the issue with Tauber.

Yesterday, Marshall returned to Sydney from the Central Coast after a Wests Tigers training camp not wishing to discuss plans which, so very quickly, were panned.

 

[Citizen_Tiger]

The NRL is just begging for an Industrial Relations lawyer to make a name and indeed a career out of their dated attitude. They would include any money earned in another code in the clubs salary cap calculations?

 

[king_sirro]

The NRL is just begging for an Industrial Relations lawyer to make a name and indeed a career out of their dated attitude. They would include any money earned in another code in the clubs salary cap calculations?

Im not claiming to know too much about this but i thought an employer had the right to stop an employee working somewhere else. I know my last 2 jobs if i wanted to gain extra work elsewhere u had to get permission as was the terms if my employment.

 

[Basil_Tiger]

Yeah,its how the contract is worded,F-1 Teams used to have a clause where their Drivers & Staff couldn't socialise or be one on one with members of a rival Team so stopping a player from playing for playing a rival code in the off-season wouldn't be stretch you would think.
My Uncle is out of the WT loop now but he's been told Benji has itchy feet and no sure thing to stay with us,i guess he may settle down when his Wedding is out of the way and Potter gets his confidence.

 

[bigsiro]

One part of Banjo wants to go to Japan and another wants to only play for the Tigers.

Guess you could say there are duelling Banjos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzae_SqbmDE

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I don't see how the NRL are being unrealistic here…

Being a professional Rugby League player is a full time gig these days, and even in the off season, you're still working, be it promotional work for the club or third party sponsors or training. I concede the the level of pay compared to other professional sportsmen on the planet is a pittance, considering it is arguably the most destructive and taxing sport on the body and more needs to be done to see that the players are getting paid more without driving clubs and the game into the ground.

All that being said though, if you want to chase the bucks in Japanese Rugby/AFL/Lawn Bowls go nuts, but don't expect special dispensation for it.

 

[happy_tiger]

One part of Banjo wants to go to Japan and another wants to only play for the Tigers.

Guess you could say there are duelling Banjos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzae_SqbmDE

I just hope they don't want Benji (Or Banjo) to squeal like a pig 😱pen_mouth:

 

[Citizen_Tiger]

The NRL is just begging for an Industrial Relations lawyer to make a name and indeed a career out of their dated attitude. They would include any money earned in another code in the clubs salary cap calculations?

Im not claiming to know too much about this but i thought an employer had the right to stop an employee working somewhere else. I know my last 2 jobs if i wanted to gain extra work elsewhere u had to get permission as was the terms if my employment.

Interesting that the style of contract used by NRL clubs seems to be exactly the same, the result of the NRL and Players Association creating the document in the first place I expect. I wonder which manager/player combination will be the first to construct their own version of a contract, one that suits the needs and the agenda of the player. One that could detail a specific period of employment by calendar year, within the pages of the agreement. That would be the logical place to start.

 

[Goose]

The NRL is just begging for an Industrial Relations lawyer to make a name and indeed a career out of their dated attitude. They would include any money earned in another code in the clubs salary cap calculations?

Im not claiming to know too much about this but i thought an employer had the right to stop an employee working somewhere else. I know my last 2 jobs if i wanted to gain extra work elsewhere u had to get permission as was the terms if my employment.

Interesting that the style of contract used by NRL clubs seems to be exactly the same, the result of the NRL and Players Association creating the document in the first place I expect. I wonder which manager/player combination will be the first to construct their own version of a contract, one that suits the needs and the agenda of the player. One that could detail a specific period of employment by calendar year, within the pages of the agreement. That would be the logical place to start.

Citizen Tiger, I started a thread in the NRL section stating that allowing them to play O/S could be the solution to alot of the player drain and suspect it is only a matter of time before someone contests some aspects of the current contract system.

I know there is a bit of discontent around long term (as well as permanent injuries) seeing players lose 80% of the remaining contract.

 

[LaT]

I think if someone challenges the system to be allowed a release mid-contract to play union and return a few months later to a waiting contract, it would be a slam dunk in the NRLs favour, the player would lose easily.

Where it might be get murky is when players contracts end and they choose to go to union and return to start a brand new contract. Technically there is nothing stopping them but the NRL has discretionary powers to stop it like they did with Benji back in 2009, if the NRL believes the player and club have an arrangement in place (which we did). A player might challenge on that point.

But trying to argue about getting a release to play union mid contract? No way.

I'm not a lawyer though, so this is only my opinion.

 

[prattenpark]

We should have taken the opportunity to release him from his contract at the end of 2013\. He's only gonna be a liability in 2014-15, too fat, too slow, still making dumb decisions and hold back the development of someone like Sironen.

 

[BenjiMagic96]

We should have taken the opportunity to release him from his contract at the end of 2013\. He's only gonna be a liability in 2014-15, too fat, too slow, still making dumb decisions and hold back the development of someone like Sironen.

Sorry but who are you talking about?

 

[FARANGALANG]

We should have taken the opportunity to release him from his contract at the end of 2013\. He's only gonna be a liability in 2014-15, too fat, too slow, still making dumb decisions and hold back the development of someone like Sironen.

Sorry but who are you talking about?

Banjo.

 

[PYMBLEPETE]

I think if someone challenges the system to be allowed a release mid-contract to play union and return a few months later to a waiting contract, it would be a slam dunk in the NRLs favour, the player would lose easily.

Where it might be get murky is when players contracts end and they choose to go to union and return to start a brand new contract. Technically there is nothing stopping them but the NRL has discretionary powers to stop it like they did with Benji back in 2009, if the NRL believes the player and club have an arrangement in place (which we did). A player might challenge on that point.

But trying to argue about getting a release to play union mid contract? No way.

I'm not a lawyer though, so this is only my opinion.

I think its a very good opinion though. That is exactly where the NRL would seem to be on shaky ground.

 

[sunshine_coast_tiger]

I think if someone challenges the system to be allowed a release mid-contract to play union and return a few months later to a waiting contract, it would be a slam dunk in the NRLs favour, the player would lose easily.

Where it might be get murky is when players contracts end and they choose to go to union and return to start a brand new contract. Technically there is nothing stopping them but the NRL has discretionary powers to stop it like they did with Benji back in 2009, if the NRL believes the player and club have an arrangement in place (which we did). A player might challenge on that point.

But trying to argue about getting a release to play union mid contract? No way.

I'm not a lawyer though, so this is only my opinion.

I think its a very good opinion though. That is exactly where the NRL would seem to be on shaky ground.

I remember players used to play in England in or offseason in the past and vice versa. I would hate to see him play rugby but is it any different from in the past when players went to England to play?

It looks like it wont happen as it is too late for this year and the Rugby League World Cup at the end of next year will also stop Benji from playing rugby in Japan (season will be half over by the time the world cup ends).

I think the AFL have the most to fear about restriant of trade. It will only take one player to take them to court and their whole draft and trade period will be kicked out. The AFL know this which is why there is no way they will de-register that Adeliade player for trying to work the system. He might get a few pre saeason game suppesion and maybe one or two regular games. The AFL would be screwed without their draft and they know it.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

We should have taken the opportunity to release him from his contract at the end of 2013\. He's only gonna be a liability in 2014-15, too fat, too slow, still making dumb decisions and hold back the development of someone like Sironen.

Sironen will be most likely to end up in the second row, don't see how Benji is holding back his development.