Ben Ikin already did the review

[cochise]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

I think a lot of people have far too much faith in Tim Sheens personally. He got ditched too remember.

I agree, but there is not a lot out there that will have a high chance of success.

I have been back and forth in my mind about Madge all year. The reason for this is when we make change I wanted to be confident of the success of that change. In my view alll a coaching change was going to do was provide some hope that things will get better. After 10 years I want more than hope, I want confidence. I always had a small hope that Madge would turn it around, after the past month, that hope is gone in my mind.

So at this point I can not see an option out there that we provide me with confidence that the future will be better, I will accept a chance of direction to provide hope for the future, because of right now I have none with madge.

Bennett is available
Add in someone like Ciraldo for Bennet to hand the reigns over which he does often and could be the right way forward.

We need someone who can manage the players and get us playing as a team for each other. Madge doesn’t coach that way.

I have concerns about Bennett that I already raised so won't rehash that lol

So do I, he is a win now and sometimes at all costs.
He would probably only come for 1 maybe 2 seasons max. He does attract players to clubs always has and he does know how to coach players to play as a team. If we could get Ciraldo as his apprentice then it would be worth it as he can coach & has direct detailed knowledge of the Panthers and other pathways systems.

If we want to be a youth team in a few years getting a figure head like Bennet and Sheens is throwing everything at us changing - if those 2 can’t do it no one can.

My ideal scenario would be Sheens and Ciraldo

Ciraldo/ or morris and im a happy bloke

In reality we will get Geoff Toovey ???

Im not as sold on Morris.

 

[cochise]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

I think a lot of people have far too much faith in Tim Sheens personally. He got ditched too remember.

I agree, but there is not a lot out there that will have a high chance of success.

I have been back and forth in my mind about Madge all year. The reason for this is when we make change I wanted to be confident of the success of that change. In my view alll a coaching change was going to do was provide some hope that things will get better. After 10 years I want more than hope, I want confidence. I always had a small hope that Madge would turn it around, after the past month, that hope is gone in my mind.

So at this point I can not see an option out there that we provide me with confidence that the future will be better, I will accept a chance of direction to provide hope for the future, because of right now I have none with madge.

Bennett is available
Add in someone like Ciraldo for Bennet to hand the reigns over which he does often and could be the right way forward.

We need someone who can manage the players and get us playing as a team for each other. Madge doesn’t coach that way.

I have concerns about Bennett that I already raised so won't rehash that lol

So do I, he is a win now and sometimes at all costs.
He would probably only come for 1 maybe 2 seasons max. He does attract players to clubs always has and he does know how to coach players to play as a team. If we could get Ciraldo as his apprentice then it would be worth it as he can coach & has direct detailed knowledge of the Panthers and other pathways systems.

If we want to be a youth team in a few years getting a figure head like Bennet and Sheens is throwing everything at us changing - if those 2 can’t do it no one can.

My ideal scenario would be Sheens and Ciraldo

I just don’t see Sheens in that role, if he wants to be caretaker thats cool but my understanding is he had planned to come back and reside more in the country than city fulltime hence Bennet. I don’t think we get someone like Ciraldo without a very big carrot to cleanup a mess & pulling power to then set him up.

His role at the Wests Tigers is already a fulltime role.

 

[cochise]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

I think a lot of people have far too much faith in Tim Sheens personally. He got ditched too remember.

I agree, but there is not a lot out there that will have a high chance of success.

I have been back and forth in my mind about Madge all year. The reason for this is when we make change I wanted to be confident of the success of that change. In my view alll a coaching change was going to do was provide some hope that things will get better. After 10 years I want more than hope, I want confidence. I always had a small hope that Madge would turn it around, after the past month, that hope is gone in my mind.

So at this point I can not see an option out there that we provide me with confidence that the future will be better, I will accept a chance of direction to provide hope for the future, because of right now I have none with madge.

Bennett is available
Add in someone like Ciraldo for Bennet to hand the reigns over which he does often and could be the right way forward.

We need someone who can manage the players and get us playing as a team for each other. Madge doesn’t coach that way.

I have concerns about Bennett that I already raised so won't rehash that lol

So do I, he is a win now and sometimes at all costs.
He would probably only come for 1 maybe 2 seasons max. He does attract players to clubs always has and he does know how to coach players to play as a team. If we could get Ciraldo as his apprentice then it would be worth it as he can coach & has direct detailed knowledge of the Panthers and other pathways systems.

If we want to be a youth team in a few years getting a figure head like Bennet and Sheens is throwing everything at us changing - if those 2 can’t do it no one can.

My ideal scenario would be Sheens and Ciraldo

I just don’t see Sheens in that role, if he wants to be caretaker thats cool but my understanding is he had planned to come back and reside more in the country than city fulltime hence Bennet. I don’t think we get someone like Ciraldo without a very big carrot to cleanup a mess & pulling power to then set him up.

I think Ciraldo is unlikely

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

I think a lot of people have far too much faith in Tim Sheens personally. He got ditched too remember.

I agree, but there is not a lot out there that will have a high chance of success.

I have been back and forth in my mind about Madge all year. The reason for this is when we make change I wanted to be confident of the success of that change. In my view alll a coaching change was going to do was provide some hope that things will get better. After 10 years I want more than hope, I want confidence. I always had a small hope that Madge would turn it around, after the past month, that hope is gone in my mind.

So at this point I can not see an option out there that we provide me with confidence that the future will be better, I will accept a chance of direction to provide hope for the future, because of right now I have none with madge.

Bennett is available
Add in someone like Ciraldo for Bennet to hand the reigns over which he does often and could be the right way forward.

We need someone who can manage the players and get us playing as a team for each other. Madge doesn’t coach that way.

I have concerns about Bennett that I already raised so won't rehash that lol

So do I, he is a win now and sometimes at all costs.
He would probably only come for 1 maybe 2 seasons max. He does attract players to clubs always has and he does know how to coach players to play as a team. If we could get Ciraldo as his apprentice then it would be worth it as he can coach & has direct detailed knowledge of the Panthers and other pathways systems.

If we want to be a youth team in a few years getting a figure head like Bennet and Sheens is throwing everything at us changing - if those 2 can’t do it no one can.

My ideal scenario would be Sheens and Ciraldo


didn't Ciraldo say no way to someone in the media?

I think any smart rookie coach would say no if they didn’t have help especially when you are intrenched into such a great system like the Panthers.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

I think a lot of people have far too much faith in Tim Sheens personally. He got ditched too remember.

I agree, but there is not a lot out there that will have a high chance of success.

I have been back and forth in my mind about Madge all year. The reason for this is when we make change I wanted to be confident of the success of that change. In my view alll a coaching change was going to do was provide some hope that things will get better. After 10 years I want more than hope, I want confidence. I always had a small hope that Madge would turn it around, after the past month, that hope is gone in my mind.

So at this point I can not see an option out there that we provide me with confidence that the future will be better, I will accept a chance of direction to provide hope for the future, because of right now I have none with madge.

Bennett is available
Add in someone like Ciraldo for Bennet to hand the reigns over which he does often and could be the right way forward.

We need someone who can manage the players and get us playing as a team for each other. Madge doesn’t coach that way.

I have concerns about Bennett that I already raised so won't rehash that lol

So do I, he is a win now and sometimes at all costs.
He would probably only come for 1 maybe 2 seasons max. He does attract players to clubs always has and he does know how to coach players to play as a team. If we could get Ciraldo as his apprentice then it would be worth it as he can coach & has direct detailed knowledge of the Panthers and other pathways systems.

If we want to be a youth team in a few years getting a figure head like Bennet and Sheens is throwing everything at us changing - if those 2 can’t do it no one can.

My ideal scenario would be Sheens and Ciraldo

I just don’t see Sheens in that role, if he wants to be caretaker thats cool but my understanding is he had planned to come back and reside more in the country than city fulltime hence Bennet. I don’t think we get someone like Ciraldo without a very big carrot to cleanup a mess & pulling power to then set him up.

His role at the Wests Tigers is already a fulltime role.

There is a difference in fulltime activities on junior pathways where he is in charge of a group of people owning sections of pathways compared to running a NRL team.

 

[Demps]

Happy Tiger will be the new WT coach

@Geo ,@hobbo1 ,@Demps and @Cultured_Bogan will be his assistant's

Geo's role will be to tell me I'm the greatest technician in the game he's ever met every time he sees me while the other 3 genuflect at the same time

I will make it work .....

What an opportunity to work with the top echelon of the forum.

I am thankful for the recommendation and glad we are on good terms..

All praise king coach @happy_tiger

 

[cochise]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

I think a lot of people have far too much faith in Tim Sheens personally. He got ditched too remember.

I agree, but there is not a lot out there that will have a high chance of success.

I have been back and forth in my mind about Madge all year. The reason for this is when we make change I wanted to be confident of the success of that change. In my view alll a coaching change was going to do was provide some hope that things will get better. After 10 years I want more than hope, I want confidence. I always had a small hope that Madge would turn it around, after the past month, that hope is gone in my mind.

So at this point I can not see an option out there that we provide me with confidence that the future will be better, I will accept a chance of direction to provide hope for the future, because of right now I have none with madge.

Bennett is available
Add in someone like Ciraldo for Bennet to hand the reigns over which he does often and could be the right way forward.

We need someone who can manage the players and get us playing as a team for each other. Madge doesn’t coach that way.

I have concerns about Bennett that I already raised so won't rehash that lol

So do I, he is a win now and sometimes at all costs.
He would probably only come for 1 maybe 2 seasons max. He does attract players to clubs always has and he does know how to coach players to play as a team. If we could get Ciraldo as his apprentice then it would be worth it as he can coach & has direct detailed knowledge of the Panthers and other pathways systems.

If we want to be a youth team in a few years getting a figure head like Bennet and Sheens is throwing everything at us changing - if those 2 can’t do it no one can.

My ideal scenario would be Sheens and Ciraldo

I just don’t see Sheens in that role, if he wants to be caretaker thats cool but my understanding is he had planned to come back and reside more in the country than city fulltime hence Bennet. I don’t think we get someone like Ciraldo without a very big carrot to cleanup a mess & pulling power to then set him up.

His role at the Wests Tigers is already a fulltime role.

There is a difference in fulltime activities on junior pathways where he is in charge of a group of people owning sections of pathways compared to running a NRL team.

Of course there is, but I doubt he is doing that from the country.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

I think a lot of people have far too much faith in Tim Sheens personally. He got ditched too remember.

I agree, but there is not a lot out there that will have a high chance of success.

I have been back and forth in my mind about Madge all year. The reason for this is when we make change I wanted to be confident of the success of that change. In my view alll a coaching change was going to do was provide some hope that things will get better. After 10 years I want more than hope, I want confidence. I always had a small hope that Madge would turn it around, after the past month, that hope is gone in my mind.

So at this point I can not see an option out there that we provide me with confidence that the future will be better, I will accept a chance of direction to provide hope for the future, because of right now I have none with madge.

Bennett is available
Add in someone like Ciraldo for Bennet to hand the reigns over which he does often and could be the right way forward.

We need someone who can manage the players and get us playing as a team for each other. Madge doesn’t coach that way.

I have concerns about Bennett that I already raised so won't rehash that lol

So do I, he is a win now and sometimes at all costs.
He would probably only come for 1 maybe 2 seasons max. He does attract players to clubs always has and he does know how to coach players to play as a team. If we could get Ciraldo as his apprentice then it would be worth it as he can coach & has direct detailed knowledge of the Panthers and other pathways systems.

If we want to be a youth team in a few years getting a figure head like Bennet and Sheens is throwing everything at us changing - if those 2 can’t do it no one can.

My ideal scenario would be Sheens and Ciraldo

I just don’t see Sheens in that role, if he wants to be caretaker thats cool but my understanding is he had planned to come back and reside more in the country than city fulltime hence Bennet. I don’t think we get someone like Ciraldo without a very big carrot to cleanup a mess & pulling power to then set him up.

I think Ciraldo is unlikely

We have zero chance, no rookie would come here if they had half a brain unless there was a clear support structure in place.

 

[rustycage]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

I think a lot of people have far too much faith in Tim Sheens personally. He got ditched too remember.

I agree, but there is not a lot out there that will have a high chance of success.

I have been back and forth in my mind about Madge all year. The reason for this is when we make change I wanted to be confident of the success of that change. In my view alll a coaching change was going to do was provide some hope that things will get better. After 10 years I want more than hope, I want confidence. I always had a small hope that Madge would turn it around, after the past month, that hope is gone in my mind.

So at this point I can not see an option out there that we provide me with confidence that the future will be better, I will accept a chance of direction to provide hope for the future, because of right now I have none with madge.

The year proved that without doubt, we don't have the squad to win more than we lost. i'm of the firm belief that again, we got very few favours onfield from referees. There's got to be a change in personnel to end up with a team that can overcome adversity during a game. Our blokes time and time again went to water. I can't blame the coach for that. It's been made very clear that the future is youth. We always say bring our own through. paradoxically, we don't want to wait until they're ready. We call for youth - now, and blame the coach when they fail. We sack (or lose) coaches and turn over rosters - re-build after re-build and endlessly wish for the cycle to end and then call for the coaches head when the plan we all want is in place but we can't hack the journey. I think as fans, we're much like the team. No stickability. We want a short cut. Good luck with that.

I don't disagree with that, I" think it also proved we don't have a coach who is able to get the best out of the players at his disposal and willing to cast blame onto others to deflect it from himself. The players act in the same way.

What if that is their best? I heard him all season saying we have to be more resilient. I thought he was quite determined to own the results. I don't know. I just want stability in the leadership. Seems now if the coach is sacked, we're back to either the players running the show, or the crappy board making crappy excuses until the next few years passes and we'll go through it all again.

When he got here he said he could win with the squad we had, since mid season he has been blaming the squad he inherited.

Seriously, whats he gonna say? No we can't win with these blokes. I don't believe in their ability. We have to make wholesale changes to the squad.

The way I see it, is he's pushing on and moving players on as he can, bringing through youngsters and trying not to rush them. Some purchases haven't worked out. Some have and some are a work in progress. Seems like a sound business model but it's a process that has to be gone through.

 

[Fade.To.Black]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

Leave him to work on development and pathways. He always had an eye for identifying players.

I think it's got to the point where Madge can't stay while we are stuck with this current group of players but I'm not sold on Flanagan as a great option. He had a top-notch roster to work with in his time at the Sharks, full of rep players. He got a premiership, sure, but also during his time there the Sharks were found to be over the salary cap every single year (the fairytale notion floated by the NRL that they were miraculously under the cap on GF day is one of the most laughable things to have ever floated out of the sewer that is NRL HQ). He would have no such luxuries here.
And the small fact that his squad were on the juice program overseen by the man himself.
Lost for answers basically looking forward, the club is in a sad state that's for sure.

 

[Kelce68]

Some will recall Ben Ikin at the start of the year was quite scathing in calling us a bottom 4 roster. Most on here disagreed but I think it’s fair to say we finished 13th and that’s about where we are. Par for the course based on our roster.

But let’s waste more resources and time on a review and not focus on the elephant. The fact we can’t actually improve the roster with the current people at the helm.

Who do you blame for being unable to improve the roster?


Everyman and his dog knows who you blame,you are obsessed with crucifying Madge

It seems the Club also has concerns about Maguire. I support the club not Maguire. I want our club to improve and if that means sacking Maguire I have no issue with it. It it had been done two games into this season we may not be in this position now.


We all want our club to improve,however not all of us see the problem as the coach but more the lack of quality in the squad.Dont even get me started on the pampered princesses who want to get paid big money and not earn it on the field.We have a very poor culture and have done since the merger Madge is trying to change it and is meeting resistance from some weak players who just want to take and not give in return.
As is stands this review is designed to get a scapegoat and NOT address the true issues at the club

Again I support the Club, not Maguire. Maguire in three years has taken our side backwards. Maguire talks a big game but has delivered very little.

I won't denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses. I'll look forward to a new coach working with them in a positive manner and providing guidance and real leadership.

What exactly do you define as 'real leadership'?

Refer to a post above about messaging etc.

This statement?

*'I won't denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses. I'll look forward to a new coach working with them in a positive manner and providing guidance and real leadership'*

If that's your summary, that's great, then we can all hold hands and skip off to fairyland.

Point me to a successful coach that doesn't label weak performances, weak. This is not denigration, this is having the capacity to be objective in your assessment of a performance metric, rather than reframing something for the sole purpose of making it more palatable whilst diluting the negative reality of the situation itself.

This concept that 'new-age' is by default better, is lazy.

And if you honestly think that Maguire doesn't, not exclusively, approach his players with positivity, doesn't provide guidance and is not a leader, you haven't been paying attention.

Madge's weaknesses lie with some of his tactics, his selections and his inability to foster leadership within the group itself.

You're way off on this one.

 

[Geo]

Happy Tiger will be the new WT coach

@Geo ,@hobbo1 ,@Demps and @Cultured_Bogan will be his assistant's

Geo's role will be to tell me I'm the greatest technician in the game he's ever met every time he sees me while the other 3 genuflect at the same time

I will make it work .....

I would but they cut down all the trees to build the Centre of Excellence..so training plan A bomb practice is out ..

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Some will recall Ben Ikin at the start of the year was quite scathing in calling us a bottom 4 roster. Most on here disagreed but I think it’s fair to say we finished 13th and that’s about where we are. Par for the course based on our roster.

But let’s waste more resources and time on a review and not focus on the elephant. The fact we can’t actually improve the roster with the current people at the helm.

Who do you blame for being unable to improve the roster?


Everyman and his dog knows who you blame,you are obsessed with crucifying Madge

It seems the Club also has concerns about Maguire. I support the club not Maguire. I want our club to improve and if that means sacking Maguire I have no issue with it. It it had been done two games into this season we may not be in this position now.


We all want our club to improve,however not all of us see the problem as the coach but more the lack of quality in the squad.Dont even get me started on the pampered princesses who want to get paid big money and not earn it on the field.We have a very poor culture and have done since the merger Madge is trying to change it and is meeting resistance from some weak players who just want to take and not give in return.
As is stands this review is designed to get a scapegoat and NOT address the true issues at the club

Again I support the Club, not Maguire. Maguire in three years has taken our side backwards. Maguire talks a big game but has delivered very little.

I won't denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses. I'll look forward to a new coach working with them in a positive manner and providing guidance and real leadership.

What exactly do you define as 'real leadership'?

Refer to a post above about messaging etc.

This statement?

*'I won't denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses. I'll look forward to a new coach working with them in a positive manner and providing guidance and real leadership'*

If that's your summary, that's great, then we can all hold hands and skip off to fairyland.

Point me to a successful coach that doesn't label weak performances, weak. This is not denigration, this is having the capacity to be objective in your assessment of a performance metric, rather than reframing something for the sole purpose of making it more palatable whilst diluting the negative reality of the situation itself.

This concept that 'new-age' is by default better, is lazy.

And if you honestly think that Maguire doesn't, not exclusively, approach his players with positivity, doesn't provide guidance and is not a leader, you haven't been paying attention.

Madge's weaknesses lie with some of his tactics, his selections and his inability to foster leadership within the group itself.

You're way off on this one.

I was referring to another poster's contribution which was excellent. It's there in the thread. You've given me my laugh for the day.

 

[Kelce68]

Some will recall Ben Ikin at the start of the year was quite scathing in calling us a bottom 4 roster. Most on here disagreed but I think it’s fair to say we finished 13th and that’s about where we are. Par for the course based on our roster.

But let’s waste more resources and time on a review and not focus on the elephant. The fact we can’t actually improve the roster with the current people at the helm.

Who do you blame for being unable to improve the roster?


Everyman and his dog knows who you blame,you are obsessed with crucifying Madge

It seems the Club also has concerns about Maguire. I support the club not Maguire. I want our club to improve and if that means sacking Maguire I have no issue with it. It it had been done two games into this season we may not be in this position now.


We all want our club to improve,however not all of us see the problem as the coach but more the lack of quality in the squad.Dont even get me started on the pampered princesses who want to get paid big money and not earn it on the field.We have a very poor culture and have done since the merger Madge is trying to change it and is meeting resistance from some weak players who just want to take and not give in return.
As is stands this review is designed to get a scapegoat and NOT address the true issues at the club

Again I support the Club, not Maguire. Maguire in three years has taken our side backwards. Maguire talks a big game but has delivered very little.

I won't denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses. I'll look forward to a new coach working with them in a positive manner and providing guidance and real leadership.

What exactly do you define as 'real leadership'?

Refer to a post above about messaging etc.

This statement?

*'I won't denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses. I'll look forward to a new coach working with them in a positive manner and providing guidance and real leadership'*

If that's your summary, that's great, then we can all hold hands and skip off to fairyland.

Point me to a successful coach that doesn't label weak performances, weak. This is not denigration, this is having the capacity to be objective in your assessment of a performance metric, rather than reframing something for the sole purpose of making it more palatable whilst diluting the negative reality of the situation itself.

This concept that 'new-age' is by default better, is lazy.

And if you honestly think that Maguire doesn't, not exclusively, approach his players with positivity, doesn't provide guidance and is not a leader, you haven't been paying attention.

Madge's weaknesses lie with some of his tactics, his selections and his inability to foster leadership within the group itself.

You're way off on this one.

I was referring to another poster's contribution which was excellent. It's there in the thread. You've given me my laugh for the day.

Glad to be of assistance.

 

[TigerWest]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

But don’t you think player efforts and attitudes are part of the problem?

Have we got the mix right, it appears to me, we haven’t?

Certainly agree with the youth policy, but some “good” experience amongst them, was/is needed? I think you said earlier, that they were looking 100+ game players, hopefully we have identified them?

Unfortunately the captain we brought in, hasn’t worked?

I agree that the players are part of the problem, but I also don't like how madge has changed his messaging on that as well. When he got the job he stated he could win with the squad given to him. He now uses that squad as an excuse for him not meeting that goal. He has but himself in opposition to the players and there is no return from there.

Worked for Ricky Stuart when he came out and said, until I get rep quality players this club will continue to be what it is. Club listened, GF 2 years later.

And what if one of the prime reasons you can not attract players of that quality is the coach?

Is it only the coach or our purchasing policy?

I mentioned about a month ago that he's lost our players and they want him out. Other players don't want to come because of Madge. There's some stuff that will probably come out in the media eventually in the years after he's gone that will explain why this is further.

Do you know this for fact or just supposing?

From what you stating, player power is back in control?

Fact.

I agree with most that the culprits we all suspect (Pascoe, board etc.) are significantly contributing to the culture problem but Madge doesn't help himself.

**Extreme health and safety issues** to the players this season and that's just a few instances I know of, I'm not there on a daily basis. And no, not just "he trains them too hard". It'll probably come out in the media at some stage eventually as I said.

Doesn’t the medical team over ride the coach on these types of issues?

 

[KingRobbie]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

But don’t you think player efforts and attitudes are part of the problem?

Have we got the mix right, it appears to me, we haven’t?

Certainly agree with the youth policy, but some “good” experience amongst them, was/is needed? I think you said earlier, that they were looking 100+ game players, hopefully we have identified them?

Unfortunately the captain we brought in, hasn’t worked?

I agree that the players are part of the problem, but I also don't like how madge has changed his messaging on that as well. When he got the job he stated he could win with the squad given to him. He now uses that squad as an excuse for him not meeting that goal. He has but himself in opposition to the players and there is no return from there.

Worked for Ricky Stuart when he came out and said, until I get rep quality players this club will continue to be what it is. Club listened, GF 2 years later.

And what if one of the prime reasons you can not attract players of that quality is the coach?

Is it only the coach or our purchasing policy?

I mentioned about a month ago that he's lost our players and they want him out. Other players don't want to come because of Madge. There's some stuff that will probably come out in the media eventually in the years after he's gone that will explain why this is further.

Do you know this for fact or just supposing?

From what you stating, player power is back in control?

Fact.

I agree with most that the culprits we all suspect (Pascoe, board etc.) are significantly contributing to the culture problem but Madge doesn't help himself.

**Extreme health and safety issues** to the players this season and that's just a few instances I know of, I'm not there on a daily basis. And no, not just "he trains them too hard". It'll probably come out in the media at some stage eventually as I said.

Doesn’t the medical team over ride the coach on these types of issues?

In the case I'm talking about they didn't.

 

[BZN]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.


Agreed,people forget just what a mess he left the club in and then took us to court.I will always respect him for what he achieved in 2005 but he was well past his use by date when he was sacked

Good point @jadtiger
What other club brings back so many people that left in acrimonious circumstances [for whatever reason] Benji, Farah, Sheens and now some on here want to bring Woods back.

 

[BZN]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

I would sign Flanagan. Was sternly against it in the past but I am at the point now where I couldn't care less if the club signed the head of the Taliban, along as they are an established coach with results. The rot ***HAS*** to stop.

Cheats seem to prosper in this game, may as well get in on the grift.

This comment = 5 stars ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

G'day and welcome back @BAGNF05
I'll see your five stars and raise you 1 minus
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[Tiger Woods]

My personal review of the season = @@@@@@ 😂

 

[BAGNF05]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

Are Brad Clyde and Mel Meninga still throwing steel around?