Berlin

[goldcoast_tiger]

If the DT writes an article about the tigers its just DT crap. when they write an article about a Radical group of muslims we take notice? :roll

The video on YouTube seems to back up the telegraph.
And I didn't see one Muslim protester carrying a sign denouncing terrorists.

Funny that.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Heres a way out solution to the problem of these morons who want to kill and mane kids and the rest of us. once the police identify the person, every member of his family is arrest and jailed for life, and means every one women kids the lot. then lets see how willing they are to kill us knowing that there entire family will pay for there sins. and before the bleeding hearts start crying, u come up with a better solution. and by the way we are only targeting the terror killers and there family, and please none of but they might not know, that is a load of crap.

Hope they start this in the US first. Cant wait to see them locking up the American President and all his family.

oh wait… You meant Muslims, not Terrorists?!

 

[Nelson]

My information comes from someone who is almost constantly at the coalface and has to face some of these people daily , and take the insults , spitting and the general lack of any willto help solve these problems for them selves.
I don't care what their associations want to say . Il take the word of someone who is there amongst them trying to help both them , and the wider community . All the feel good statements from their associations won't make thejob of people who have to take the brunt of the lack of assistance, (and out and out hatred that they have to put up with,) any easier.
In answer to your comment…. A lot of The Muslim community ARE doing exactly what you deny, They are sitting idle and protecting individuals.
I have no doubt that some are not, but the majority of them will not assist the Police.
I'm damn sure that I would not like the job that the Police have to do every day, when they have to enter some of these homes, and being spat on regularly is possibly the least of the garbage that they are subjected to, by people who could help, but firmly refuse to do so.
Strangely though , it seems that these people that want to cover up for people are often the same people who scream for the police when they are in any trouble.
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Odd isn't it

Resentment towards police and an unwillingness to assist isn't unique to middle eastern communities, that's just what your mate gets subjected to in MEOCS or whatever he works in. He could work in any number of LAC's and get subjected to the same crap. It's a job that tends to expose you to the less savoury elements of any given community and so probably not the best source of information to judge a community by.

 

[Geo]

Thoughts and prayers with innocent victims and their families..

 

[TCL]

Now there is a logical argument, we have too take our blinkers off and look at the broader issue.

The west and russia played chess over the middle east for years chasing oil or whatever. We took sides, we armed those that we supported and created mayhem when it suited and when it all fell over we left the weapons there and nicked off.

With no infrastructure and government, the ordinary people were easy pray for greedy war mungers and despot leaders. When people are naive, desperate and hungry history shows they will follow an Alpha who promises them salvation, Hitler promised his people and they acted on his word. Napoleon promised his people and they acted on his word, The sultans promised their people and they acted on his word, the crusaders, the witch hunts, the romans, the greeks, the Egyptians, the, the, the, the

Look at the US today Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon promised and he got elected - I'm not saying he is a despot I'm just saying he spoke to the people and they responded.

I am not condoning the acts of these lowlifes. I am saying people pray on people and often it is those they now or are around them.

Some of our poor, isolated, neglected, desperate and naive turn to crime, they rob, they harm, deal drugs, if these guys were surrounded by other poor people with nothing to rob or steal or deal what would they do? They would do what some alpha tells them to do.

I believe that no human bought up in a loving caring family circle, in a peaceful country like ours would want to grow up to be criminal or worse a terrorist. But when left isolated or lead down the wrong path they do become such things.

Look at us, we as WT supporters are desperate for a solid season and we hammer each other with our posts, some get really peeved with each other.

Sorry ill get off my soap box, but its sad when our first reactions is fear and hatred rather than understanding and compassion (not towards terrorist - but towards innocent muslim people). I would hope that if the tables had ever turned and our great country was ever in strife that one of our neighbouring countries would open their doors and let my family in. Maybe Malaysia or Singapore or Indonesia.

I think you are being extremely Nieve. There are people from all walks of life, who steal rob ,embezzle, murder , become completely physcopathic , become serial killers,and become nutjob religious fanatics, who come from exactly the textbook families,
When are these "innocent " Muslim families going to drop the cone of silence and do more to help the police to get these radical fools identified, and thrown in gaol,
It's time that the muslin community in Australia did more towards cleaning up their own backyard.
While they deny that people around then are cleanskins, when it's obvious that they are not, they will never have the support from the wider community.

They are not sitting idle, nor protecting individuals. May I suggest that you contact their associations to find out just how much work the community is doing to combat their own devils, even in the shadow of threats from those we all abhor. Individual families almost always at least partially protect their own, just as in all communities.

There is a problem and I don't think anybody argues that, but perception is or lack thereof is at least it's equal.

My information comes from someone who is almost constantly at the coalface and has to face some of these people daily , and take the insults , spitting and the general lack of any willto help solve these problems for them selves.
I don't care what their associations want to say . Il take the word of someone who is there amongst them trying to help both them , and the wider community . All the feel good statements from their associations won't make thejob of people who have to take the brunt of the lack of assistance, (and out and out hatred that they have to put up with,) any easier.
In answer to your comment…. A lot of The Muslim community ARE doing exactly what you deny, They are sitting idle and protecting individuals.
I have no doubt that some are not, but the majority of them will not assist the Police.
I'm damn sure that I would not like the job that the Police have to do every day, when they have to enter some of these homes, and being spat on regularly is possibly the least of the garbage that they are subjected to, by people who could help, but firmly refuse to do so.
Strangely though , it seems that these people that want to cover up for people are often the same people who scream for the police when they are in any trouble.
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Odd isn't it

When the papers you read don't write the muslims are against the terrorist, you say they don't talk up. When you are shown where they have, you don't care.

Not odd at all, its not uncommon for police officers to be spat at by people who are degenerates or are being questioned or arrested, how is that specific to muslims?

I feel for those trying to help but, is the hatred they received, anything like the hatred the muslims receive, or maybe the hatred i received when my parents first arrived in Australia or the hatred the Asians/Vietnamese received, or the hatred the aboriginals still receive?

Did you not see the news where a young educated white girl spat in the face of an inner west connex administrator? By the way she wasn't a muslim.

GC i said before I'm not looking for a fight and i want to see all terrorist suffer and would be happy to see them sentenced to death. I believe in an eye for an eye, but i cannot accept **any** eye for an eye.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

My information comes from someone who is almost constantly at the coalface and has to face some of these people daily , and take the insults , spitting and the general lack of any willto help solve these problems for them selves.
I don't care what their associations want to say . Il take the word of someone who is there amongst them trying to help both them , and the wider community . All the feel good statements from their associations won't make thejob of people who have to take the brunt of the lack of assistance, (and out and out hatred that they have to put up with,) any easier.
In answer to your comment…. A lot of The Muslim community ARE doing exactly what you deny, They are sitting idle and protecting individuals.
I have no doubt that some are not, but the majority of them will not assist the Police.
I'm damn sure that I would not like the job that the Police have to do every day, when they have to enter some of these homes, and being spat on regularly is possibly the least of the garbage that they are subjected to, by people who could help, but firmly refuse to do so.
Strangely though , it seems that these people that want to cover up for people are often the same people who scream for the police when they are in any trouble.
\
\
Odd isn't it

Resentment towards police and an unwillingness to assist isn't unique to middle eastern communities, that's just what your mate gets subjected to in MEOCS or whatever he works in. He could work in any number of LAC's and get subjected to the same crap. It's a job that tends to expose you to the less savoury elements of any given community and so probably not the best source of information to judge a community by.

It's a mates Son actually.
I agree with a lot you've said, but the numbers of excuses trotted out whenever the chance is again ignored , for the communityto distance them selves from the people who have hijacked their religion is building rapidly.
Surely the excuses will eventually will run out hopefully

 

[TCL]

If the DT writes an article about the tigers its just DT crap. when they write an article about a Radical group of muslims we take notice? :roll

The video on YouTube seems to back up the telegraph.
And I didn't see one Muslim protester carrying a sign denouncing terrorists.

Funny that.

I couldn't find the youtube clip. please send the link.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

If the DT writes an article about the tigers its just DT crap. when they write an article about a Radical group of muslims we take notice? :roll

The video on YouTube seems to back up the telegraph.
And I didn't see one Muslim protester carrying a sign denouncing terrorists.

Funny that.

I couldn't find the youtube clip. please send the link.

I don't know how, never have
Just enter Muslim protest Sydney today , or Muslims want Islamic world
Actually there was a link earlier somewhere in this thread

 

[TCL]

If the DT writes an article about the tigers its just DT crap. when they write an article about a Radical group of muslims we take notice? :roll

The video on YouTube seems to back up the telegraph.
And I didn't see one Muslim protester carrying a sign denouncing terrorists.

Funny that.

I couldn't find the youtube clip. please send the link.

I don't know how, never have
Just enter Muslim protest Sydney today , or Muslims want Islamic world
Actually there was a link earlier somewhere in this thread

Thanks anyway mate, I tried mate but couldn't find it not to worry. Ill get the boy to find it, if its on the web he will find it.

 

[Harvey]

The righteous arguement to say that we can't block a religion because of a few bad eggs is an easy one to make. It's the moral high ground, so you can't be easily shouted down. And while it doesn't effect you, you'll be fine with the policy. I would love to see if a relative of those poor souls in Berlin agree with you right now.

But really, the issue is more broad and it's around populating a country with a religion that can conflict with democracy. It's not just the actual killings, it's the segregation, amount of foiled plots, women's rights, abuses of legal authority.

Yes, again, you'll use the arguement that this can exist in various forms from person to person, but I only see one group using religion as the rationale.

Everyone knows really good people with Muslim faith. The issue is not with those solid Aussies, but we certainly should not continue import a faith that is counteractive to our culture remaining cohesive. What do we owe others? Are we putting the needs of others above the needs of our own?

Would our ancestors have immigrated Germans or Japanese during WW2? Just because you can pinpoint the war, doesn't mean it should be any different. The western world is at war with the radical Muslim one and if religion is the defining characteristic and not a countries borders, why is it such a leap to restrict on those grounds.

If we continue on this righteous path, we are kicking the can down the road for our children to deal with a continually devided and antagonised community. Since sept 11th, there has been over a decade of trying the leftist way…trying with the best of efforts.

It's not working.

I read and even take some of, even if just a little of your post on board, but less as it continues. Surely you cannot really consider the right and centre right wing governments unjustified invasion of Iraq and the resultant vacuum of and handing over of power that basically birthed the Islamic State, as leftist in any way, shape or form?

The relative few (hundreds) casualties in the west pale into insignificance compared to the death, destruction and suffering of the many, many in Iraq and it's surrounds that is still occurring on a daily basis. Neither situation is good, but some perspective is needed, particularly as the arm sales and the political positions of many of countries that are involved in such conflicts are intertwined. Sadly, war is a business and a huge money making one at that.

The narrative of fear is an agenda pushed by both sides, with each individual turned to the edge of hate for the other, being a notch on the belt of either antagonist. They do not create winners, only losers.

the defining terror attack of this all actually started before the Iraq war. So did the Bali bombings. But probably we are to blame for those too…

It actually scares me at the level of complacency by the western world. We seem to blame ourselves most of the time and have lost our hearts for our own. Our patriotism is weak. Instead we somehow think that we deserve someone to open fire in a nightclub or drive a truck through women and children.

The thing is that the western world has tried to provide the global security for the better part of half a century. Sometimes we get it wrong, but the causation is usually founded in decent intentions. We try to avoid innocents, we help rebuild, fund and work with communities.

Our own blame game when these people are killed is somewhat sickening to me. I can guarentee ISIL aren't comparatively sitting back and cursing Osama bin laden for ramming jets into the USA.

We don't have a foundation policy to kill innocents in cold blood. That's the difference to me.

We are not the blame but we are part of the problem. The terrorists are the blame for their acts. Let's have no argument about that. The actions of those vile lowies is in no way acceptable and in no way our fault.

Our meddling in the Middle East goes way back before the Iraq war a and Bali bombings. We have not tried to help the Middle East we have when it worked appeared to help the Middle East while in effect helping our selves. Yes the Red Cross and Doctors Without Borders have over the years provided help. But it was always humanitarian assistance, very little was government assistance.

You give a homeless, man in the city a gun when his hungry, he ain't going to dig a whole in the ground and plant carrots, his going to point it at a passer by and demand money or food.

We talk about respect for our way of life and culture, we send a plane loads of Turists to Bali every year, do the majority of those visiting act with respect for their way of life or culture. Our behaviour was so bad our own TV's made a show of it.

When I lived in London for 2 years I spent my time living, drinking and eating with other Aussies funny that, although I was in England the motherland a place where our culture was born out of I wanted to be with other Aussies.

We are not to blame for the Middle East but we have contributed to the problem.

I see no difference between a terrorist and a dealer selling Ice or Herron. Both destroy innocent people and their families. I'm sure only a small minority on this forum have been directly impacted by terrorism and we have an issue with Muslims. I would guess that more on this forum have been impacted by a drug related crime yet we don't see a thread about that nor do we see any hatred towards our own culture which in is also a contributor to the drug problem.

Over 3500 people died from just alchole related deaths in Australia this year, 0 according to my research died in Australia as a result of terrorism in 2016\. Do we hate Tooheys Castlemaine or Penfolds?

The religion doesn't have a foundation policy to kill innocents. Isis does.

Many have died in the name of God, and for a long long time the killing of innocents was committed by the Church, in fact the church even specifically target woman, they called them witches and burned them at the stake.

I am a bit lost by this arguement, if you give a homeless man a gun, no-one is giving him a gun, they are inviting him and his family into our house, feeding and supporting them, only to wake up and find your family have been killed while sleeping. As for the number of deaths in the middle east, how many have been inflicted by the west against those that have been inflicted by locals based on which sect of a religion they belong to or the tribe that they descend from. The Iran vs Iraq war killed hundreds of thousands with the wests only involvement being profiteering through selling weapons to various ideologies that were hell bent on killing each other.

Australians might behave like d!ckheads in bali, but would they get away with organising protests in Saudi Arabia that pushed the same agenda as last nights protest in Lakemba.

I have no problem with immigration from any country to any country, but you need to understand the culture of the country you move to and accept it, rather than expecting that country to change to align with your belief system.

PS Merry Christmas to all, regardless of whether you celebrate it based on religion, or just a chance to get together with friends & loved ones and enjoy the time of year.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Now there is a logical argument, we have too take our blinkers off and look at the broader issue.

The west and russia played chess over the middle east for years chasing oil or whatever. We took sides, we armed those that we supported and created mayhem when it suited and when it all fell over we left the weapons there and nicked off.

With no infrastructure and government, the ordinary people were easy pray for greedy war mungers and despot leaders. When people are naive, desperate and hungry history shows they will follow an Alpha who promises them salvation, Hitler promised his people and they acted on his word. Napoleon promised his people and they acted on his word, The sultans promised their people and they acted on his word, the crusaders, the witch hunts, the romans, the greeks, the Egyptians, the, the, the, the

Look at the US today Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon promised and he got elected - I'm not saying he is a despot I'm just saying he spoke to the people and they responded.

I am not condoning the acts of these lowlifes. I am saying people pray on people and often it is those they now or are around them.

Some of our poor, isolated, neglected, desperate and naive turn to crime, they rob, they harm, deal drugs, if these guys were surrounded by other poor people with nothing to rob or steal or deal what would they do? They would do what some alpha tells them to do.

I believe that no human bought up in a loving caring family circle, in a peaceful country like ours would want to grow up to be criminal or worse a terrorist. But when left isolated or lead down the wrong path they do become such things.

Look at us, we as WT supporters are desperate for a solid season and we hammer each other with our posts, some get really peeved with each other.

Sorry ill get off my soap box, but its sad when our first reactions is fear and hatred rather than understanding and compassion (not towards terrorist - but towards innocent muslim people). I would hope that if the tables had ever turned and our great country was ever in strife that one of our neighbouring countries would open their doors and let my family in. Maybe Malaysia or Singapore or Indonesia.

I think you are being extremely Nieve. There are people from all walks of life, who steal rob ,embezzle, murder , become completely physcopathic , become serial killers,and become nutjob religious fanatics, who come from exactly the textbook families,
When are these "innocent " Muslim families going to drop the cone of silence and do more to help the police to get these radical fools identified, and thrown in gaol,
It's time that the muslin community in Australia did more towards cleaning up their own backyard.
While they deny that people around then are cleanskins, when it's obvious that they are not, they will never have the support from the wider community.

They are not sitting idle, nor protecting individuals. May I suggest that you contact their associations to find out just how much work the community is doing to combat their own devils, even in the shadow of threats from those we all abhor. Individual families almost always at least partially protect their own, just as in all communities.

There is a problem and I don't think anybody argues that, but perception is or lack thereof is at least it's equal.

My information comes from someone who is almost constantly at the coalface and has to face some of these people daily , and take the insults , spitting and the general lack of any willto help solve these problems for them selves.
I don't care what their associations want to say . Il take the word of someone who is there amongst them trying to help both them , and the wider community . All the feel good statements from their associations won't make thejob of people who have to take the brunt of the lack of assistance, (and out and out hatred that they have to put up with,) any easier.
In answer to your comment…. A lot of The Muslim community ARE doing exactly what you deny, They are sitting idle and protecting individuals.
I have no doubt that some are not, but the majority of them will not assist the Police.
I'm damn sure that I would not like the job that the Police have to do every day, when they have to enter some of these homes, and being spat on regularly is possibly the least of the garbage that they are subjected to, by people who could help, but firmly refuse to do so.
Strangely though , it seems that these people that want to cover up for people are often the same people who scream for the police when they are in any trouble.
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\
Odd isn't it

I don't doubt that the officer you know is subjected to abuse, in fact I would rightly or wrongly expect that if he is working in the organised crime unit you alluded to, but that is comparing apples and oranges for mine, as he is almost always in contact with the worst elements.

I also think it unfair to state my denial, when you have quoted my saying that there is a problem, along with a level of both protection and fear in that community.

 

[TCL]

I read and even take some of, even if just a little of your post on board, but less as it continues. Surely you cannot really consider the right and centre right wing governments unjustified invasion of Iraq and the resultant vacuum of and handing over of power that basically birthed the Islamic State, as leftist in any way, shape or form?

The relative few (hundreds) casualties in the west pale into insignificance compared to the death, destruction and suffering of the many, many in Iraq and it's surrounds that is still occurring on a daily basis. Neither situation is good, but some perspective is needed, particularly as the arm sales and the political positions of many of countries that are involved in such conflicts are intertwined. Sadly, war is a business and a huge money making one at that.

The narrative of fear is an agenda pushed by both sides, with each individual turned to the edge of hate for the other, being a notch on the belt of either antagonist. They do not create winners, only losers.

the defining terror attack of this all actually started before the Iraq war. So did the Bali bombings. But probably we are to blame for those too…

It actually scares me at the level of complacency by the western world. We seem to blame ourselves most of the time and have lost our hearts for our own. Our patriotism is weak. Instead we somehow think that we deserve someone to open fire in a nightclub or drive a truck through women and children.

The thing is that the western world has tried to provide the global security for the better part of half a century. Sometimes we get it wrong, but the causation is usually founded in decent intentions. We try to avoid innocents, we help rebuild, fund and work with communities.

Our own blame game when these people are killed is somewhat sickening to me. I can guarentee ISIL aren't comparatively sitting back and cursing Osama bin laden for ramming jets into the USA.

We don't have a foundation policy to kill innocents in cold blood. That's the difference to me.

We are not the blame but we are part of the problem. The terrorists are the blame for their acts. Let's have no argument about that. The actions of those vile lowies is in no way acceptable and in no way our fault.

Our meddling in the Middle East goes way back before the Iraq war a and Bali bombings. We have not tried to help the Middle East we have when it worked appeared to help the Middle East while in effect helping our selves. Yes the Red Cross and Doctors Without Borders have over the years provided help. But it was always humanitarian assistance, very little was government assistance.

You give a homeless, man in the city a gun when his hungry, he ain't going to dig a whole in the ground and plant carrots, his going to point it at a passer by and demand money or food.

We talk about respect for our way of life and culture, we send a plane loads of Turists to Bali every year, do the majority of those visiting act with respect for their way of life or culture. Our behaviour was so bad our own TV's made a show of it.

When I lived in London for 2 years I spent my time living, drinking and eating with other Aussies funny that, although I was in England the motherland a place where our culture was born out of I wanted to be with other Aussies.

We are not to blame for the Middle East but we have contributed to the problem.

I see no difference between a terrorist and a dealer selling Ice or Herron. Both destroy innocent people and their families. I'm sure only a small minority on this forum have been directly impacted by terrorism and we have an issue with Muslims. I would guess that more on this forum have been impacted by a drug related crime yet we don't see a thread about that nor do we see any hatred towards our own culture which in is also a contributor to the drug problem.

Over 3500 people died from just alchole related deaths in Australia this year, 0 according to my research died in Australia as a result of terrorism in 2016\. Do we hate Tooheys Castlemaine or Penfolds?

The religion doesn't have a foundation policy to kill innocents. Isis does.

Many have died in the name of God, and for a long long time the killing of innocents was committed by the Church, in fact the church even specifically target woman, they called them witches and burned them at the stake.

I am a bit lost by this arguement, if you give a homeless man a gun, no-one is giving him a gun, they are inviting him and his family into our house, feeding and supporting them, only to wake up and find your family have been killed while sleeping. As for the number of deaths in the middle east, how many have been inflicted by the west against those that have been inflicted by locals based on which sect of a religion they belong to or the tribe that they descend from. The Iran vs Iraq war killed hundreds of thousands with the wests only involvement being profiteering through selling weapons to various ideologies that were hell bent on killing each other.

Australians might behave like d!ckheads in bali, but would they get away with organising protests in Saudi Arabia that pushed the same agenda as last nights protest in Lakemba.

I have no problem with immigration from any country to any country, but you need to understand the culture of the country you move to and accept it, rather than expecting that country to change to align with your belief system.

PS Merry Christmas to all, regardless of whether you celebrate it based on religion, or just a chance to get together with friends & loved ones and enjoy the time of year.

The argument with the gun is reference to desperation and things people will do if given the tools and the false direction. Bad people prey on the week.

No one is condoning terrorist behaviour especially not here, we are talking about tarring people with the same brush.

If they want to keep fighting their wars over there they can do that to. But its the arming, thats a problem. The weapons in some instances were not sold to them, they were given to them and they were given as a favour in return for a favour. Oil and pipelines.

I don't know what the Lakemba protest is about, i couldn't read the DT article its a subscribers only report and i couldn't find the youtube clip. But if those people protesting are protesting about things that create a divide in Australia then I'm sure our authorities will be watching them, their friends and family closely. And as far as I am concerned they should be sent packing. But still, they don't represent every single muslim.

A Merry Christmas to you and yours. And to reiterate my prays go out to all those poor people who have lost loved ones at this special time of the year.

 

[happy_tiger]

Heres a way out solution to the problem of these morons who want to kill and mane kids and the rest of us. once the police identify the person, every member of his family is arrest and jailed for life, and means every one women kids the lot. then lets see how willing they are to kill us knowing that there entire family will pay for there sins. and before the bleeding hearts start crying, u come up with a better solution. and by the way we are only targeting the terror killers and there family, and please none of but they might not know, that is a load of crap.

Heard of the Guildford 4 and the Maguire 7 BP ??

Gerry Conlon ,Paddy Armstrong , Paul Hill and Carole Richardson ??

They basically arrested Conlon's entire family ( including two boys aged 14 and 17 ) because they were convinced he was the organiser of the Guildford bombings

His dad died in Prison

Might pass on your idea , we've seen what hypocrisy and political pressure can do to the justice system

 

[Spartan117]

This is the future of things to come….

More and more

I hope that somehow Australia doesnt get it bad....

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

TCL if you type into safari " Sydney rally calls for global Islamic rule"
You will find the story of the demonstration
I found the you tubevideo on the same page,
I just checked so I could give you the info, the story is still there but I can't find the video

 

[TCL]

TCL if you type into safari " Sydney rally calls for global Islamic rule"
You will find the story of the demonstration
I found the you tubevideo on the same page,
I just checked so I could give you the info, the story is still there but I can't find the video

Thanks mate, I'll check it out.

 

[newtiger]

You are correct AL22 There are bad eggs in every religion, but when was the last time you heard the Pope or the Queen call for a "Fatwa".
Go and kill someone because he said something that we don't like, that is the problem with Islam.
Stone someone to death because she had an affair or was raped by a man!!! get real AL

People are killed all the time for saying something someone doesnt like, regardless of race or religion.

Go down to your local MC and call some of them nasty names and see which gutter your family finds you face down in.

Isn't it funny that most of these MC gangs are being investigated by the ME crime squad, go figure.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

You do realise that there are bad eggs in all faiths right???

You are correct AL22 There are bad eggs in every religion, but when was the last time you heard the Pope or the Queen call for a "Fatwa".
Go and kill someone because he said something that we don't like, that is the problem with Islam.
Stone someone to death because she had an affair or was raped by a man!!! get real AL

The Queen probably called a fatwa on Princess Di.

If the queen issued a Fatwa every time a cartoonist or comedian said something about Charlie, there wouldn't be a single cartoonist or comedian left in the world.
Have you forgot about "Charlie Hebdo" massacred because a a cartoon, or Salman Rushdie a death threat just because he said something about Ala.
There is major problem with Islamic religion, these and other acts of terrorism should be denounced by the Imams, but all you heard is silence.
Deafening silence!!!

Relax mate, I was joking.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The problem is Islamic Fundamentalists are trying to drive the wedge between moderates and the Western communities.

Attacks like this sow seeds of distrust of Muslims within Western communities. That distrust sees Muslims become disaffected, isolated and then makes them prime candidates to be radicalised.

Divide and conquer.

As a side note, there's people who get caught in between these two factions. I have half Lebanese cousins, and they're Christian but that didn't stop them being abused at the hands of charming Aussies around the time of the Cronulla riots. They're as Australian as you can get, they just look middle eastern. I was saddened to hear that good people like them were subject to such misdirected hatred simply for looking different.

 

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I read and even take some of, even if just a little of your post on board, but less as it continues. Surely you cannot really consider the right and centre right wing governments unjustified invasion of Iraq and the resultant vacuum of and handing over of power that basically birthed the Islamic State, as leftist in any way, shape or form?

The relative few (hundreds) casualties in the west pale into insignificance compared to the death, destruction and suffering of the many, many in Iraq and it's surrounds that is still occurring on a daily basis. Neither situation is good, but some perspective is needed, particularly as the arm sales and the political positions of many of countries that are involved in such conflicts are intertwined. Sadly, war is a business and a huge money making one at that.

The narrative of fear is an agenda pushed by both sides, with each individual turned to the edge of hate for the other, being a notch on the belt of either antagonist. They do not create winners, only losers.

the defining terror attack of this all actually started before the Iraq war. So did the Bali bombings. But probably we are to blame for those too…

It actually scares me at the level of complacency by the western world. We seem to blame ourselves most of the time and have lost our hearts for our own. Our patriotism is weak. Instead we somehow think that we deserve someone to open fire in a nightclub or drive a truck through women and children.

The thing is that the western world has tried to provide the global security for the better part of half a century. Sometimes we get it wrong, but the causation is usually founded in decent intentions. We try to avoid innocents, we help rebuild, fund and work with communities.

Our own blame game when these people are killed is somewhat sickening to me. I can guarentee ISIL aren't comparatively sitting back and cursing Osama bin laden for ramming jets into the USA.

We don't have a foundation policy to kill innocents in cold blood. That's the difference to me.

We are not the blame but we are part of the problem. The terrorists are the blame for their acts. Let's have no argument about that. The actions of those vile lowies is in no way acceptable and in no way our fault.

Our meddling in the Middle East goes way back before the Iraq war a and Bali bombings. We have not tried to help the Middle East we have when it worked appeared to help the Middle East while in effect helping our selves. Yes the Red Cross and Doctors Without Borders have over the years provided help. But it was always humanitarian assistance, very little was government assistance.

You give a homeless, man in the city a gun when his hungry, he ain't going to dig a whole in the ground and plant carrots, his going to point it at a passer by and demand money or food.

We talk about respect for our way of life and culture, we send a plane loads of Turists to Bali every year, do the majority of those visiting act with respect for their way of life or culture. Our behaviour was so bad our own TV's made a show of it.

When I lived in London for 2 years I spent my time living, drinking and eating with other Aussies funny that, although I was in England the motherland a place where our culture was born out of I wanted to be with other Aussies.

We are not to blame for the Middle East but we have contributed to the problem.

I see no difference between a terrorist and a dealer selling Ice or Herron. Both destroy innocent people and their families. I'm sure only a small minority on this forum have been directly impacted by terrorism and we have an issue with Muslims. I would guess that more on this forum have been impacted by a drug related crime yet we don't see a thread about that nor do we see any hatred towards our own culture which in is also a contributor to the drug problem.

Over 3500 people died from just alchole related deaths in Australia this year, 0 according to my research died in Australia as a result of terrorism in 2016\. Do we hate Tooheys Castlemaine or Penfolds?

The religion doesn't have a foundation policy to kill innocents. Isis does.

Many have died in the name of God, and for a long long time the killing of innocents was committed by the Church, in fact the church even specifically target woman, they called them witches and burned them at the stake.

I am a bit lost by this arguement, if you give a homeless man a gun, no-one is giving him a gun, they are inviting him and his family into our house, feeding and supporting them, only to wake up and find your family have been killed while sleeping. As for the number of deaths in the middle east, how many have been inflicted by the west against those that have been inflicted by locals based on which sect of a religion they belong to or the tribe that they descend from. The Iran vs Iraq war killed hundreds of thousands with the wests only involvement being profiteering through selling weapons to various ideologies that were hell bent on killing each other.

Australians might behave like d!ckheads in bali, but would they get away with organising protests in Saudi Arabia that pushed the same agenda as last nights protest in Lakemba.

I have no problem with immigration from any country to any country, but you need to understand the culture of the country you move to and accept it, rather than expecting that country to change to align with your belief system.

PS Merry Christmas to all, regardless of whether you celebrate it based on religion, or just a chance to get together with friends & loved ones and enjoy the time of year.

Well said Harvey.
I am dumbfounded that someone compares a drunken Aussie tourist in Bali having a whizz in the bushes or a shag on the beach with faceless terrorist cowards who plough trucks into crowds of people, including children.
As you say, if someone organized a rally anywhere in the Middle East practically denouncing their way of life then you would disappear off the face of the earth quick-smart, you would be executed or spend the rest of your days rotting away in a mangy prison suffering constant various forms of torture and interrogation.
The PC crowd with the softly-softly approach within Australia will unfortunately send many innocent people to their deaths in the not too distant future…...it is only a matter of time before our country is on the end of a Berlin or Paris-like atrocity.