Berlin

[GNR4LIFE]

KKK are not a Christian group because they do not follow Christian beliefs.

And most of them wouldn't have been in a church in their life,they were a bunch of White supremist rednecks . Race, not religion was their big thing

''"We don't hate people because of their race. We are a Christian organization,"

Frank Ancona - KKK Imperial Wizard.

They still exist. Talking about them in past tense is off the mark.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Malcolm urges us not to let ourselves get divided then proceeds to talk in an us v them manner calling them an Islamist group. Which i am sure they are, but if a Christian group had a terror plot thwarted would we label them as a Christian group? There is a stigma regarding Muslims and Islam that people can't help but separate from the rest of society in a way that they wouldn't if it were Christians. Religion wouldn't even be mentioned then.

Were they an Islamist group? Then why'd don't we call then a group of alternative life stylists . Much nicer.
If a group from the salvation army were involved, it would be called a group of Salvation Army fanatics. If they did that same thing over and over across the world, they'd soon belabelled terrorists.
Geez we are quick to jump to their defence
Anyone taking bets that they are Muslims. If so call them what they are, no matter who they are. :brick:

But why not refer to Christian groups as Christian, that is my point. When do the KKK ever get labelled a Christian group? I will tell you. Never.

Actually GNR, you can start the ball rolling.
The next time a Christian Group commits a terrorist act, I for one will gladly call them
A Bunch of Christian Terrorists, then maybe you will face reality and call a bunch of Muslim terrorists, what they are ….A bunch of Muslim Terrorists. Sounds Fair.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Malcolm urges us not to let ourselves get divided then proceeds to talk in an us v them manner calling them an Islamist group. Which i am sure they are, but if a Christian group had a terror plot thwarted would we label them as a Christian group? There is a stigma regarding Muslims and Islam that people can't help but separate from the rest of society in a way that they wouldn't if it were Christians. Religion wouldn't even be mentioned then.

Were they an Islamist group? Then why'd don't we call then a group of alternative life stylists . Much nicer.
If a group from the salvation army were involved, it would be called a group of Salvation Army fanatics. If they did that same thing over and over across the world, they'd soon belabelled terrorists.
Geez we are quick to jump to their defence
Anyone taking bets that they are Muslims. If so call them what they are, no matter who they are. :brick:

But why not refer to Christian groups as Christian, that is my point. When do the KKK ever get labelled a Christian group? I will tell you. Never.

Actually GNR, you can start the ball rolling.
The next time a Christian Group commits a terrorist act, I for one will gladly call them
A Bunch of Christian Terrorists, then maybe you will face reality and call a bunch of Muslim terrorists, what they are ….A bunch of Muslim Terrorists. Sounds Fair.

Thank you for illustrating my point. That point being there should not be rules for one race and religion and a different set of rules for the other. If you want to use labels then do it for everyone. Don't pick and choose.

 

[kiwitiger]

Thoughts and prayers with innocent victims and their families..

Well said.
Myself and my wife were out for dinner last night with friends one of whom was German who use to work not far from there in Berlin. A mate who is the husband, said he came home an saw her and his mother in law in tears in the lounge, he had not heard the news…he thought something had happened to their baby. I feel for the German people... we on the other side of the world don't know

 

[kiwitiger]

Thoughts and prayers with innocent victims and their families..

Wow in 5 pages this is the only comment like this. Every other one seems to point the finger…

 

[Newtown]

Thoughts and prayers with innocent victims and their families..

Wow in 5 pages this is the only comment like this. Every other one seems to point the finger…

I am sure that there are so many around the world feeling very much in the same way as Geo's comment. Australia is a long way from Berlin but Australians still feel the pain of those close to the innocent victims.

 

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Malcolm urges us not to let ourselves get divided then proceeds to talk in an us v them manner calling them an Islamist group. Which i am sure they are, but if a Christian group had a terror plot thwarted would we label them as a Christian group? There is a stigma regarding Muslims and Islam that people can't help but separate from the rest of society in a way that they wouldn't if it were Christians. Religion wouldn't even be mentioned then.

Were they an Islamist group? Then why'd don't we call then a group of alternative life stylists . Much nicer.
If a group from the salvation army were involved, it would be called a group of Salvation Army fanatics. If they did that same thing over and over across the world, they'd soon belabelled terrorists.
Geez we are quick to jump to their defence
Anyone taking bets that they are Muslims. If so call them what they are, no matter who they are. :brick:

Exactly GCT. The PC types in our country don't like any finger-pointing, regardless of the extreme probability that the vermin responsible for planning attacks like these are of a certain "faith". Even if it is as obvious as a Dobermans' knackers.
Vermin are vermin no matter what religion they are and should be eradicated on the premise of being human scum regardless of religion.
If Christian extremists start steering hijacked planes into skyscrapers or deliberately ploughing trucks through crowds of families in the name of religion then I would hope and expect they would be reviled as much as any other pack of @#%#holes that do that sort of thing out of hatred for other peoples' way of life.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Were they an Islamist group? Then why'd don't we call then a group of alternative life stylists . Much nicer.
If a group from the salvation army were involved, it would be called a group of Salvation Army fanatics. If they did that same thing over and over across the world, they'd soon belabelled terrorists.
Geez we are quick to jump to their defence
Anyone taking bets that they are Muslims. If so call them what they are, no matter who they are. :brick:

But why not refer to Christian groups as Christian, that is my point. When do the KKK ever get labelled a Christian group? I will tell you. Never.

Well I'm off to enjoy a typical Australian Christian Christmas, so il just say a merry Christmas to all the forum members, and their families.
I hope you all enjoy it and are all back here safe for the next season, and are rested up for the(mostly) enjoyable forum battles
Have a good one guys and girls!!

Actually GNR, you can start the ball rolling.
The next time a Christian Group commits a terrorist act, I for one will gladly call them
A Bunch of Christian Terrorists, then maybe you will face reality and call a bunch of Muslim terrorists, what they are ….A bunch of Muslim Terrorists. Sounds Fair.

Thank you for illustrating my point. That point being there should not be rules for one race and religion and a different set of rules for the other. If you want to use labels then do it for everyone. Don't pick and choose.

I promise you that I've never seen or heard of a bunch of Christian terrorists yet but when I do Ill call them that.

 

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If the PC crowd had their way Santa Claus could commit an atrocity and they would prefer him to only be acknowledged as a fair-complexioned, calorie-challenged elderly gent with a fondness for Xmas cake and beer :deadhorse: :brick:
There is no shame in identifying evil people in our society ie why should paedophiles not be named and shamed and why must they themselves be offered exclusive protection in prisons?
In no way are all Muslims bad people (or anyone from any other religion for that matter) but if despicable, evil acts are carried out in the name of any religion then there is absolutely nothing that should deny the facts being disclosed IMO.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

But why not refer to Christian groups as Christian, that is my point. When do the KKK ever get labelled a Christian group? I will tell you. Never.

Actually GNR, you can start the ball rolling.
The next time a Christian Group commits a terrorist act, I for one will gladly call them
A Bunch of Christian Terrorists, then maybe you will face reality and call a bunch of Muslim terrorists, what they are ….A bunch of Muslim Terrorists. Sounds Fair.

Thank you for illustrating my point. That point being there should not be rules for one race and religion and a different set of rules for the other. If you want to use labels then do it for everyone. Don't pick and choose.

I promise you that I've never seen or heard of a bunch of Christian terrorists yet but when I do Ill call them that.

Great, go nuts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

 

[Tiger_Watto]

From all reports of today's foiled attempt, six of them were born and bred Australian Terrorists.

Well done to the AFP and security agencies who work tirelessly to allow us to walk the streets without fear.

You made Australia a safer place today!

 

[Nelson]

There is no shame in identifying evil people in our society ie why should paedophiles not be named and shamed and why must they themselves be offered exclusive protection in prisons?

Because the penalty is imprisonment, not being beaten to death. Like it or not we do not have corporal punishment and if you put them in general population and people know what they've done they will get flogged.

Also they are named and shamed unless identifying them will tend to identify their victims. Those protections do not exist for the benefit of the offenders.

 

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People get bashed and sometimes killed in prison all the time, including some who are in there for nothing more than unpaid parking fines. It is a hazard of being inside in the first place.
Why give paedophiles and child killers(who are quite rightly considered the lowest of all vermin) special treatment and waste taxpayers money on providing special conditions? They should face the same risks as any other inmate IMO.

 

[newtiger]

The problem is Islamic Fundamentalists are trying to drive the wedge between moderates and the Western communities.

Attacks like this sow seeds of distrust of Muslims within Western communities. That distrust sees Muslims become disaffected, isolated and then makes them prime candidates to be radicalised.

Divide and conquer.

As a side note, there's people who get caught in between these two factions. I have half Lebanese cousins, and they're Christian but that didn't stop them being abused at the hands of charming Aussies around the time of the Cronulla riots. They're as Australian as you can get, they just look middle eastern. I was saddened to hear that good people like them were subject to such misdirected hatred simply for looking different.

CB you are 100% correct I have good friends that are Pakistani muslins, nicer people you would not find anywhere.
All I was trying to say in previous posts is that moderate Muslims need to speak out against these radicalised members of their religion.
I just want to make one other point, that I don't have a single ounce of racism in me.
I work with and are friends with a lot of people from different nationalities, and appreciate that they have come to our wonderful country to better their and their families lives.
I don't know wether it's because we live in the "so called Bush" that they have assimilated into the community and adopted the Aussie culture.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

From all reports of today's foiled attempt, six of them were born and bred Australian Terrorists.

Well done to the AFP and security agencies who work tirelessly to allow us to walk the streets without fear.

You made Australia a safer place today!

Don't you mean Australian Muslim terrorists, going on what they have been reported to have been saying, and the fact that their attack was supposed to be set up for Christmas Day.
Religion based????
Maybe that was just coincidence
I agree with you about the Police work though.
A pity that they (the alleged terrorists) are only a drop in the bucket

 

[Nelson]

People get bashed and sometimes killed in prison all the time, including some who are in there for nothing more than unpaid parking fines. It is a hazard of being inside in the first place.
Why give paedophiles and child killers(who are quite rightly considered the lowest of all vermin) special treatment and waste taxpayers money on providing special conditions? They should face the same risks as any other inmate IMO.

Any inmate can ask to go into protection. People don't do it for a lot of reasons: they don't need to; they get less access to programs in there; they get concerned that people will think they're an informer if they go into protection; they have to associate with people they don't like in there (pedophiles). People don't get bashed to death in Australian prisons very often, or at least not in NSW ones that I'm aware of.

 

[newtiger]

People get bashed and sometimes killed in prison all the time, including some who are in there for nothing more than unpaid parking fines. It is a hazard of being inside in the first place.
Why give paedophiles and child killers(who are quite rightly considered the lowest of all vermin) special treatment and waste taxpayers money on providing special conditions? They should face the same risks as any other inmate IMO.

People are sent to prison as punishment not to be punished.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

There is no shame in identifying evil people in our society ie why should paedophiles not be named and shamed and why must they themselves be offered exclusive protection in prisons?

Because the penalty is imprisonment, not being beaten to death. Like it or not we do not have corporal punishment and if you put them in general population and people know what they've done they will get flogged.

Also they are named and shamed unless identifying them will tend to identify their victims. Those protections do not exist for the benefit of the offenders.

Nelson, The problem is that the Muslim population in the gaols is large and in a lot of cases they run them. In some cases they have been forcing other prisoners into changing to Islam .
They'll probably be looked at by the rest of the Muslim inmates as heroes, even though they failed miserably.
I wonder if it was a group of Australians plotting the same thing in their country, what their fate would be.

 

[newtiger]

KKK are not a Christian group because they do not follow Christian beliefs.

And most of them wouldn't have been in a church in their life,they were a bunch of White supremist rednecks . Race, not religion was their big thing

Heaps of KKK members have been to church mostly burning them.
Before you start hammering me it's a joke.

 

[Tim Sheens]

"If my brother is behind this attack, I say to him 'you dishonor us',"