Big name player in trouble

@Tiger Watto said:
I've always wondered what whale tastes like… It must be good if the Japanese are so obsessed with continuing to hunt them.

Anyone ever tried it?

It is right here http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2010/03/what_does_whale_taste_like.html
I think it is more of a Japanese nationalist thing than anything else. Whales are born again cows and that seems to be their flavour. I suppose the concept of big name player in trouble could be a parody of the situation of the whales.
 
@Byron Bay Fan said:
@happy tiger said:
Do we not have any decent rehab centres in Australia ??

Do we know what country Mitch jumped off at? Australia has limited rehabs and can be very expensive just as some in 3rd World can even be. That poor Fields guy eventually killed a guy sort of accidentally and now in prison - blame the grog culture as much as him. Would have been preferable for him to escape to O/S rehab than stay here and get into more trouble. But I guess their families backgrounds are entirely different.

Your remark regarding Craig Field is one of the most disgusting comments I have read on this forum. He killed an innocent man and you want to blame Australia's grog culture…you need help, no two ways about it.
 
@willow said:
@Byron Bay Fan said:
@happy tiger said:
Do we not have any decent rehab centres in Australia ??

Do we know what country Mitch jumped off at? Australia has limited rehabs and can be very expensive just as some in 3rd World can even be. That poor Fields guy eventually killed a guy sort of accidentally and now in prison - blame the grog culture as much as him. Would have been preferable for him to escape to O/S rehab than stay here and get into more trouble. But I guess their families backgrounds are entirely different.

Your remark regarding Craig Field is one of the most disgusting comments I have read on this forum. He killed an innocent man and you want to blame Australia's grog culture…you need help, no two ways about it.

Yeah Craig Field is not someone who is deserving of anybody's sympathies. Intoxication was no part of his defence by the way, so not even he blamed "Australia's grog culture". Read it for yourself if you like BBF:

https://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision/54a640003004de94513dca76

Even if he had been pissed he was 39 years old. I can understand kids feeling socially pressured into drinking & not knowing how they'll be on the piss, but a 39 year old who had managed a pub knows what he's like on the piss. If you know you're a violent drunk & you choose to get drunk in public then blaming the grog is a complete cop out.

Australia's blame shifting culture is as insidious as its grog culture…
 
@Nelson said:
@willow said:
@Byron Bay Fan said:
@happy tiger said:
Do we not have any decent rehab centres in Australia ??

Do we know what country Mitch jumped off at? Australia has limited rehabs and can be very expensive just as some in 3rd World can even be. That poor Fields guy eventually killed a guy sort of accidentally and now in prison - blame the grog culture as much as him. Would have been preferable for him to escape to O/S rehab than stay here and get into more trouble. But I guess their families backgrounds are entirely different.

Your remark regarding Craig Field is one of the most disgusting comments I have read on this forum. He killed an innocent man and you want to blame Australia's grog culture…you need help, no two ways about it.

Yeah Craig Field is not someone who is deserving of anybody's sympathies. Intoxication was no part of his defence by the way, so not even he blamed "Australia's grog culture". Read it for yourself if you like BBF:

https://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision/54a640003004de94513dca76

Even if he had been pissed he was 39 years old. I can understand kids feeling socially pressured into drinking & not knowing how they'll be on the piss, but a 39 year old who had managed a pub knows what he's like on the piss. If you know you're a violent drunk & you choose to get drunk in public then blaming the grog is a complete cop out.

Australia's blame shifting culture is as insidious as its grog culture…

Field had already been on the wrong side of the law , if memory serves he had misappropriated funds from a Country footy side as well
 
@Geo. said:
@2041 said:
@Geo. said:
@2041 said:
Does the NRL have any right to demand a hair or blood sample, especially outside of the established performance enhancing drug testing regime? It's not a law-enforcement agency. It could ask for a sample, Pearce could say "no, that's a gross invasion of privacy" and carry on with his life.

Drug tests for recreational drugs are a part of the NRL anti-doping policy…

Yes I know - but do they do blood tests/hair samples and can they just demand one at any time they feel like it? I genuinely don't know, but I doubt the NRL can just demand any sample it wants whenever it wants it - there's normally a process agreed to by the players' union about exactly how invasive they are prepared to let their employer be "for the good of the game".

Testing for both performance enhancing and recreational drugs is random and players are not required to be informed when they will take place nor are they permitted to refuse a test when requested or they are in breach of the anti-doping policy,,,they include blood and hair samples if required,,,

I have known of players who were woken at 5am with a knock on the door from the lovely people from ASADA..to provide samples..Pearce could have been tested if they wanted to…he may well have been for all we know...

Clubs also routinely do in-house testing this generally is known about in advance...

"Random" is not the same as "whenever we want, or because you've been in the papers", though. I mean, I guess the NRL could make the claim customs people do when they pull yet another Muslim out of the queue for "random" security screening - "Oh hey Mitch, yeah would you believe it, your name just randomly came up for out-of-competition screening for recreational drugs" - but I doubt his lawyers would go for that.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying what you say isn't right. I'd just be pretty surprised to find that the players' association signed off on a regime of "test us whenever you want, however you want, for whatever reason you want".
 
@Cultured Bogan said:
Field was a low human being from the get go, he didn't need the squirt to turn him into a demon.

CB,Happy mentioned a country football club,I'm pretty sure it was in Wagga Wagga,he also had a pub there..I went back there recently and Field came up in conversation,not knowing the bloke I really can't judge,however there aren't to many that had a good word to say about him..he reminds me of the old saying " burnt to many bridges ",also I heard he had a pretty good opinion of himself…
 
Its not that random , players realize they need to let officials know exactly where they will be at any given stage in the off season to be available for a knock on the door
 
It 13 of jury verdict:
**Although the evidence clearly shows that the offender had been drinking for some hours prior to striking Mr Kane**, since no evidence was led as to how much he drank and there was no cross-examination by the Crown on that question, I am unable to make any finding that the violence which caused Mr Kane's death, and for which the offender is criminally responsible, was alcohol-related.
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busy now will get back to you guys later
 
@Byron Bay Fan said:
It 13 of jury verdict:
**Although the evidence clearly shows that the offender had been drinking for some hours prior to striking Mr Kane**, since no evidence was led as to how much he drank and there was no cross-examination by the Crown on that question, I am unable to make any finding that the violence which caused Mr Kane's death, and for which the offender is criminally responsible, was alcohol-related.
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busy now will get back to you guys later

It's not the jury verdict, that's just guilty or not guilty. It's the Judges remarks on sentence. The fact is he did not try to blame the drink, so you don't need to go doing it for him…and if he tried to blame it well see my earlier comment
 
So back to the original thread, media & NRL seems to have gone very quiet on any f**urther ramifications** for Mitchell Pearce.
 
@Nelson said:
@Byron Bay Fan said:
It 13 of jury verdict:
**Although the evidence clearly shows that the offender had been drinking for some hours prior to striking Mr Kane**, since no evidence was led as to how much he drank and there was no cross-examination by the Crown on that question, I am unable to make any finding that the violence which caused Mr Kane's death, and for which the offender is criminally responsible, was alcohol-related.
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busy now will get back to you guys later

It's not the jury verdict, that's just guilty or not guilty. It's the Judges remarks on sentence. The fact is he did not try to blame the drink, so you don't need to go doing it for him…and if he tried to blame it well see my earlier comment

I don't know Fields case only that he is Indigenous. I was shocked to hear the other day how Fetal alcohol spectrum disorders (FASD it so prevalent amongst Australian Aborigines

So strictly speaking many people who have drinking problems are not completely nor directly responsible for their problems in life.

http://www.aihw.gov.au/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=60129550296
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http://www.nofasd.org.au/resources/what-is-fasd-1
These tertiary conditions can include:
The primary conditions common to FASD last a lifetime and may include the following which vary from person to person:

learning difficulties
impulsiveness
difficulty relating actions to consequences
social relationships
attention/hyperactivity
memory
developmental delays
major organ damage
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Typically, unrecognized brain impairment with primary symptoms result in misunderstanding by those with authority who cast individuals with FASD as defiant or lazy. In an effort to meet unrealistic expectations, the individual develops secondary defensive behaviours which are then paradoxically used to stereotype and label the individual according to the observed behaviour. This unfairness reinforces the invisibility of the brain-based condition and perpetuates the individual’s sense of failure as they ‘can’t do’, rather than ‘won’t do’. Failure to meet expectations and the development of defensive behaviours leads to an increased risk of tertiary conditions.

incomplete education
involvement in the criminal justice system
family and economic dependence
poverty and homelessness
alcohol and other substance abuse
sexual victimisation
unplanned and early parenthood
difficulty parenting and subsequent risk for children.
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Couple this with the easy access and social acceptability to drinking in Australia of course there will be hundreds of thousands of disasters.
 
Back on topic please…..

http://www.weststigersforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22980&p=551068&hilit=Craig+Field#p551068

There is a thread in general discussion on Craig Field if you wish to discuss it...Any further posts not about Mitchell Pearce will be deleted....thank you...
 
@westTAHger said:
Is there any reason why Mitchell Pearce did not go into rehab at the Betty Ford clinic, in the USA ?

I imagine that place would cost a fortune. Did they go to USA, usually it is wise for people with possible drug issues to stay from USA. If there are reliable places in Bali why not?
 
@westTAHger said:
So back to the original thread, media & NRL seems to have gone very quiet on any f**urther ramifications** for Mitchell Pearce.

He'll get away with it. You'd have thought after Carney being sacked for something that really harmed no one but himself (yes, I know it's also for repeated offences, but Pearce is in that club now also,) that Pearce should go as well but it's one rule for the struggling clubs, one rule for the rest.
 
@happy tiger said:
Do we not have any decent rehab centres in Australia ??

Of course we do Happy. The Sanctuary Byron Bay is one. Very private and need i say… Luxurious :sunglasses:
Lack of rehab centres is not why he was whisked away, I'm sure.
 
@Byron Bay Fan said:
@happy tiger said:
Do we not have any decent rehab centres in Australia ??

Do we know what country Mitch jumped off at? Australia has limited rehabs and can be very expensive just as some in 3rd World can even be. That poor Fields guy eventually killed a guy sort of accidentally and now in prison - blame the grog culture as much as him. Would have been preferable for him to escape to O/S rehab than stay here and get into more trouble. But I guess their families backgrounds are entirely different.

I disagree BBF. Australia has quite a few private rehab centres. I don't think the expense would've been an issue either. I think he was taken overseas to escape the media.
If Mitch was in a rehab centre here in Oz, the media would've found out which one and would've been camped outside waiting….waiting. Ready to pounce.
As they say" Out of sight, Out of mind"
 

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