OFFICIAL Blake Ayshford [Discussion]

[Goose]

Is Sironan a fait accompli when he is fit ?
In other words, is he a certainty to come straight back into the starting line up ?

not IMO, if Aysford and the team play well, perhaps he will stay in 6 adn Siro to the bench.

Ive said before that I dont see us being able to play 3 wingers in the starting side long term, Beau is going well in the centres, but is playing as a winger in reality. All 3 are playing well, so I dont know who should exit the starting side, but im sceptical that we can keep playing them, which would see Blake go into the centres

 

[happy_tiger]

Ayshford this season hasn't been great and I for one want to see some back to back good performances before giving him his spot back in the centres .

Beau has done nothing wrong while in the centres and Utai and Tuqiri have been doing their jobs

Positions should not be handed out on reputation , they need to be earned

Thats how we create competition for positions and even better performances from all the players

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Is Sironan a fait accompli when he is fit ?
In other words, is he a certainty to come straight back into the starting line up ?

not IMO, if Aysford and the team play well, perhaps he will stay in 6 adn Siro to the bench.

Ive said before that I dont see us being able to play 3 wingers in the starting side long term, Beau is going well in the centres, but is playing as a winger in reality. All 3 are playing well, so I dont know who should exit the starting side, but im sceptical that we can keep playing them, which would see Blake go into the centres

Utai would have to be the odd man out, despite his great form of late. There's no reason he couldn't be thrown in the prop rotation though and bash it up the middle.

 

[tigerbenji]

Ayshford in the centres Beau to the wing & Utai off the bench, pretty simple really.

 

[underdog]

Ayshford in the centres Beau to the wing & Utai off the bench, pretty simple really.

x2.

 

[happy_tiger]

Ayshford in the centres Beau to the wing & Utai off the bench, pretty simple really.

x2.

So what has Beau done wrong at centre or Utai done wrong on the wing ??

Don't you think Ayshford needs to show us more than one good game ??

Especially seeing its Round 16 and we have only seen 1 good game …

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Ayshford in the centres Beau to the wing & Utai off the bench, pretty simple really.

x2.

So what has Beau done wrong at centre or Utai done wrong on the wing ??

Don't you think Ayshford needs to show us more than one good game ??

Especially seeing its Round 16 and we have only seen 1 good game …

Why is he not extended the same courtesies that other players have received? (i.e. Tuqiri, Moltzen, Blair…)

 

[happy_tiger]

Tuqiri is coming back from a very long lay off and his improvement is definitely on an incline

Moltzen (and I'm one of his harshest critics) has definitely improved over the last month

Blair has been on the improve (barring Sunday) and even including Sunday I thought at least he was getting involved and trying to create chances they just didn't come off

Ayshford really hasn't gone anywhere Defensively I think he has gone backwards I reckon his tackle completion rate would be worse than last season Attack was the best it has been all season v the Roosters , but it is still a far cry from where it was in 2011

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Doesn't help when he is this season's equivalent of Moltzen… He's playing at right centre, five-eighth or second row...

The other blokes are being given time in their preferred positions and no wonder they're starting to take a bit of form.

 

[underdog]

Ayshford in the centres Beau to the wing & Utai off the bench, pretty simple really.

x2.

So what has Beau done wrong at centre or Utai done wrong on the wing ??

Don't you think Ayshford needs to show us more than one good game ??

Especially seeing its Round 16 and we have only seen 1 good game …

Certainly not.

However,

IMO Beau is a quality winger, who can finish a play off.

Ayshford can attract players, and is a damaging ball runner out in the centres - I said earlier in the year that Beau could be a smokey for top tryscorer if Ayshford can keep his form, because he will always attract players, creating the extra man out wide. Ayshford unfortunately didn't maintain his 2011 form, but is coming back into it, and as long as he can offload to Ryan, Beau's Try scoring will increase.

Utai I have said from the start is a brilliant impact player, and does the hard work - i'd put him into the forwards rotation (particularly with Ellis due back soon, and Fulton), but have him on the fringes, where he can be 3rd man in in attack, and the maybe swap with ayshford in defense (2nd man in)

I love what he brings to the team, but out of the three of Ryan, Ayshford, and Utai, Utai's defense is the weakest - and three guys can't fit in two spots. Thats the only reason i'd have him on the bench in lieu of the other two.

 

[kh_canada]

Aysh has another opportunity this weekend to show us his stuff. If he plays well again then give him a chance to prove himself and play Sirro off the bench (when he returns).

Doesn't help when he is this season's equivalent of Moltzen… He's playing at right centre, five-eighth or second row...
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The other blokes are being given time in their preferred positions and no wonder they're starting to take a bit of form.

Well said, If Blake continues to play 5/8 and shows improvements than I don't see why he can't stay there

 

[underdog]

just quietly, (and a bit off topic, sorry) how much SPEED did Beau Ryan show scoring that try off the back of Utai's 20m restart?

He pinned his ears back, and outpaced some of the faster Roosters backs to get in under the posts! Top work!

 

[steve-o]

how many games this season has ayshford played a full 80 minutes at right centre? i seem to recall not many.. i dont think ayshford has been given as many opportunites this year compared to years prior, and i think that is what is affecting his form. he needs half a dozen games in a row, playing in the same position for the entire game so he can start to get into his rhythm and be firing come finals time. at the moment he looks a bit lost out there and cant seem to settle in anywhere. id liken him to moltzen last year… early in the yr he struggled as he was coming off the bench or playing different positions each week. then when he settled into the fullback spot he was playing the best footy of his career thus far. we need to do the same with ayshford. yes, beau ryan has done nothing wrong in the centres, but long term ayshford is a lot better option in the centres than ryan

 

[happy_tiger]

Yeah I agree Underdog I would be just us happy to see Utai in the forward rotation but not until Ellis and Fulton are back

I think he will struggle with the extra workload and could become a defensive liability late in his stints off the bench

Back on topic . Ayshford's running game shouldn't be to dissimiliar from the 6 or 4 jerseys to be honest The main difference being he has more pressure at 6 , but more room to move at 6 also

I take your point about the different positions , but I'm more concerned about his attitude at times

He seems to have lost that fire in his belly your saw last season and again defensively it is easier to defend at 6 or the second row than it is at 4 Again the only difference is you make more tackles usually

Even that hasn't changed too much He usually makes between 15-20 tackles a game and when he has played 6 it hasn't noticably increased

I'll be honest if he doesn't show some major signs of improvement by the end of the season , Sheens we need to take a long hard look at him As someone else said we have an abundance of talent coming through in the juniors

 

[Tigersmurf]

His running game is his asset, his passing game is not good enough for a 5/8 in my opinion. We have an abundance of talent on the wings Happy, but do we really in the Centers? We have lost Simona according to reports and the guys in the 20's haven't set the world on fire.

I would lose Reddy before Ayshford, but I would let Lote go before either of these guys.

 

[happy_tiger]

His running game is his asset, his passing game is not good enough for a 5/8 in my opinion. We have an abundance of talent on the wings Happy, but do we really in the Centers? We have lost Simona according to reports and the guys in the 20's haven't set the world on fire.

I would lose Reddy before Ayshford, but I would let Lote go before either of these guys.

It won't matter if we have Folau and Grothe Senior on the wings , if they can't get decent ball or looked after in defence they will look as bad as the worst wingers running around

We all need to look at the big picture .

 

[Gray]

When either are them are called upon with injuries, such as now with Siro. Who do you think should get the spot? Personally I think Lawrence is better, his Defence is oustanding! great speed and strength along with Ayshford, his passing game is als generally better. Just my opinion, what do you guys reckon?

 

[WelcometotheJungle]

I would personally prefer Moltz.
His position is five-eighth and can play there which could also see Beau move to fullback, and we all know what happens there.
In saying that, my number 1 pick Siro
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[DaveTaylorissexy]

Yeah not sure aye

 

[DaveTaylorissexy]

I've reported you for offensive language by the way