Blake Ferguson
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BenjiMagic96
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@Yossarian said:
Sign someone reasonable not on big money for example
6\. Mortimer
7\. Brooks
Mortimer is a really good player but just needs a chance. And I would also look at Mulcahy for five eigth after half a season or so in state cup.
hybrid_tiger
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@LaT said:
Look if you don't think we should sign Ferguson that's fine, you are entitled to your opinion. But if he becomes available and we can sign him I see no difference to the Mason affair last year if we let someone else grab him. That is not a strawman argument in the slightest.
Is Ferguson an upgrade on what we have in our backline? I think the answer is a big fat yes, and people are either kidding themselves, or severely overrating our players if they don't think so.
If an opportunity arises we should take it. Yes, of course other areas need strengthening as well so if a prop or second rower came onto the market then we should look at them too if they are better players than what we have.
hybrid_tiger
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@Swordy said:
That's fine - they are nothing but allegations. The facts are that Mason has been a great pickup for the Knights and we missed out. And we desperately needed a prop last year so all in all it was a ridiculous decision not to sign him.
Clubs need to take risks because that's what you do if you want to try and sign quality players. Look at Carney, no one wanted a bar of him after Canberra, the Roosters gave him a chance he got them to the grand final. Yes, he fell away after that but they got rid of him. Was he worth the risk? Of course he was. Just like it was worth the risk for Cronulla to sign him after that.
FARANGALANG
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@tigersrule4life said:
Our backrow is an even bigger problem
BenjiMagic96
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Ferguson- Eels
Dugan- Dragons
No point discussing
Dugan- Dragons
No point discussing
@BenjiMagic96 said:
Yet 30 odd minutes ago:
@BenjiMagic96 said:
Youre a crack up
:laughing:
BenjiMagic96
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@innsaneink said:
Your the crack up "Insaneink" so is your name . I said that we should sign them then I said that there is no point in discussing because Ferguson will go to the eels and Dugan will go Dragons. Tell me what the funny part is.
@BenjiMagic96 said:
Really? You don't see it? Okay…
Marshall_magic
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Ferguson left Cronulla to win a premiership, that was his reasoning for signing with Canberra. Unless something has changed, a pretty safe assumption to make is he won't sign with a club sitting last and got absolutely towelled up, unless almost every other club passes on him. The guy is also prone to some shocking brain snaps on the field and we already suffer from those enough. Throw in the fact he is an accessory to a team mate breaking team policy (so they can look like a pair of geese), he is one we might be better off steering clear of.
No to Fergo and no to Dugan.
No to Fergo and no to Dugan.
hybrid_tiger
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@Goose said:
Sorry but they are facts. He was available for a low cost, was signed by Bennett and has performed very well since he was picked up. No opinions in there, just the truth.
Mason was a risk but one that had to be taken given our situation (that's an opinion).
a fact is mason signed for $ x what is considered low cost is opinion (and subjective)
if he was a cancer Bennett wouldn't touch him is opinion (but probably well founded)
describing Bennett as the most successful coach is opinion (obviously well founded)
and Mason's form is clearly subjective and opinion.
a fact would be something like mason had averaged X meters per game and the Knights win % with mason doubles compared to him not playing or whatever. any conclusion you draw from that is opinion
if he was a cancer Bennett wouldn't touch him is opinion (but probably well founded)
describing Bennett as the most successful coach is opinion (obviously well founded)
and Mason's form is clearly subjective and opinion.
a fact would be something like mason had averaged X meters per game and the Knights win % with mason doubles compared to him not playing or whatever. any conclusion you draw from that is opinion
For those who think Mason would have been a good signing, can I be genuine for just a minute and ask your opinion on these things:
1) Do you think he would have performed just as well in a Tigers pack that is not the size or calibre of the current Knights pack?
2) Do you think he would have performed as well under Sheens or Potter as he has under Bennett?
3) Do you think he would have been as happy living in Sydney and playing/training at Concord/CSS/Leichhardt etc as opposed to living in the area in which he grew up, with family close etc.
Serious questions. I'm not having a shot at anyone, just asking for honest opinions.
And regardless of the answers, do you think Blake Ferguson would perform considering these similar questions? (Not so much the forwards question, but the coaches and environment questions)
1) Do you think he would have performed just as well in a Tigers pack that is not the size or calibre of the current Knights pack?
2) Do you think he would have performed as well under Sheens or Potter as he has under Bennett?
3) Do you think he would have been as happy living in Sydney and playing/training at Concord/CSS/Leichhardt etc as opposed to living in the area in which he grew up, with family close etc.
Serious questions. I'm not having a shot at anyone, just asking for honest opinions.
And regardless of the answers, do you think Blake Ferguson would perform considering these similar questions? (Not so much the forwards question, but the coaches and environment questions)
happy_tiger
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@Swordy said:
We will never know Swordy , but you make some excellent points
But we will need to take some chances in the coming seasons as we aren't going to be able to make the changes we need to make personnel wise in one season imo
I'm not a Blake ferguson fan personally (Attitude wise) , but after Monday I'm not a Lawrence ,Utai,Ayshford or Moltzen fan skill or attitude wise either
By the way ,Lawrence had to be carrying a shoulder injury , he couldn't have got even worse in 6 months
tigerbenji
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I agree, Lawrence has a shoulder problem, he looked like he was playing touch football out there on Monday Night. Also i think thats why Reddy was named on the bench, the team named yesterday will change before Sunday i hope.
@Swordy said:
Hypotheticals eh?
Its all opinion….but he DID perform well in the pack whose team finished below us last year....that tells me something
2) Do you think he would have performed as well under Sheens or Potter as he has under Bennett?
Dont care about Sheens, but I think he'd be helpful to Potter as a rookie coach, as we all are hoping anasta will be re: experience....he's a team player, a natural leader, bonds the team well from what Ive seen at the Knights, not many players in their first year at a club can call the entire side around them and address them onfield mid- game as Ive seen him do several times at Newcastle....he commands and gains respect. I think he couldve been very helpful to Potter
3) Do you think he would have been as happy living in Sydney and playing/training at Concord/CSS/Leichhardt etc as opposed to living in the area in which he grew up, with family close etc.
Probably not...but hes been to two sydney clubs before and hes a big boy so he knows how to look after himself
Serious questions. I'm not having a shot at anyone, just asking for honest opinions.
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And regardless of the answers, do you think Blake Ferguson would perform considering these similar questions? (Not so much the forwards question, but the coaches and environment questions)
Fergo to me shows a lack of respect to himself and others despite his obvious on field talents....and hed be more problems for Potsy ....our coach has enough
As Ive said we should fix our problems - theres many - were they begin, and thats up front
Shooshmeister
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I agree with some, sure Mason had baggage, but to his credit, he kept training by himself, not team affiliation. You put the troublmakers on game payments. You don't play well, no payment. You bugger up, no payment. If its too bad, dump him to reserves or rip up any contract you have with him. When ther is a meal ticket, and you don't know where your next cheque is coming from, that hunger and commitment to play well kicks in. Its like someone prodding you with a cow prodder. Some of these guy just need a mentor and a winning side keeps their mind on the footy, not other things. Ferguson would definatley add something to the backline. Sign him if available.
bonstonker
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turd ferguson is an over rated tool.
the only player in the game to be over powered by moltzen in a game.
this is just an income to him.
geez people, have some self respect ffs.
the only player in the game to be over powered by moltzen in a game.
this is just an income to him.
geez people, have some self respect ffs.
