GNR4LIFE
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@Golden said:
Guessing you don't know much about the salary cap. If Blair was moved on we'd still be paying some of his contract as no club in their right mind would pay him what we're paying him
BREAKING - MARSHALL LEAVING
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Guessing you don't know much about the salary cap. If Blair was moved on we'd still be paying some of his contract as no club in their right mind would pay him what we're paying him
tig_prmz
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@Abraham said:
not sure if you heard what benji said on TFS couple of weeks back.
basically said, his next contract will be about money coz he has to look after his family, but wont play against tigers
clontarfkid
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This is all about Japaenese Rugby,where SBW was paid $1.2 million for 10 games a year or so back.
Easy money if youve got a "brand" like Benji or SBW & are $$ hungry.
Cant blame him as his on field performance in the grind of NRL has waned quite quickly-too many shoulder & knee ops have diminished his appetite for the hard yards.
Waratahs have no interest in him-theve got Beale coming back to play 10,plus a Wallaby in waiting with Foley who plays that position.His only local Rugby gig wld be melb rebels,but as theyve just punted both oConnor and Beale its doubtful theyd take another" high maintenance" player in Benji,particularly at the end of his career.
Frankly I wld have liked to have seen one more yr out of Benji to mentor young halves,& in some ways its quite a selfish decision to cut & run so quickly as the jap rugby gig will always be there,but guess once theres been a fallout of this proportion its all over.
Not ideal,but Anasta/Sirro with Brooks next season is significantly better than buying Benji at top $$ for another 4 years of mediocrity.
Easy money if youve got a "brand" like Benji or SBW & are $$ hungry.
Cant blame him as his on field performance in the grind of NRL has waned quite quickly-too many shoulder & knee ops have diminished his appetite for the hard yards.
Waratahs have no interest in him-theve got Beale coming back to play 10,plus a Wallaby in waiting with Foley who plays that position.His only local Rugby gig wld be melb rebels,but as theyve just punted both oConnor and Beale its doubtful theyd take another" high maintenance" player in Benji,particularly at the end of his career.
Frankly I wld have liked to have seen one more yr out of Benji to mentor young halves,& in some ways its quite a selfish decision to cut & run so quickly as the jap rugby gig will always be there,but guess once theres been a fallout of this proportion its all over.
Not ideal,but Anasta/Sirro with Brooks next season is significantly better than buying Benji at top $$ for another 4 years of mediocrity.
GNR4LIFE
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While i understand people may be going over the top with their disdain, i think there are people equally going over the top in their praise. He's been great for the club but im not going to get all soppy saying ''thanks for the memories, you produced some of the greatest moments i've ever seen blah blah blah''. The last couple yrs he's been mediocre and its in both parties best interests that he moves on. Life goes on and this club will be around long after he's gone.
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@GNR4LIFE said:
Fulton is a Magpie junior,came through with Gibbs.
GNR4LIFE
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@851 said:
He's originally a Parramatta junior
WestsSupporter
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Fulton>Marshall
probably earns 1/3 of what Marshall does yet plays 3x better
probably earns 1/3 of what Marshall does yet plays 3x better
Juro
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So Marshall is currently on 193 games. There are 8 rounds remaining, he could reach 201\. Also, he may be playing his 200th in our last home game against Souths. I hope there will be a massive crowd there to send him off in the right way.
ragedmachine
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It's pretty damning when you state that you don't want to play for another club because you want to remain loyal and respectful to the Tigers…
But then in the same vein you won't accept a negotiated salary justified by your form.
MONEY TALKS!
If Marshall was truly honoring his loyalty, he would accept a pay decrease and play on till retirement.
Anyway, thanks for the good times, the club needs to move on.
But then in the same vein you won't accept a negotiated salary justified by your form.
MONEY TALKS!
If Marshall was truly honoring his loyalty, he would accept a pay decrease and play on till retirement.
Anyway, thanks for the good times, the club needs to move on.
I think the point is Benji and Potter don't get on. They play different types of rugby league games…one is conservative and one is flamboyant and a risk taker.
Potter is slowly getting his team and he can mold the young guys to his style...he gave Benji a go but its obvious he can't change to Potter's style.
Potter is slowly getting his team and he can mold the young guys to his style...he gave Benji a go but its obvious he can't change to Potter's style.
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Why the Blues shouldn't sign Benji Marshall31
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With reports suggesting Kiwis and Tigers playmaker Benji Marshall is set to jump codes, the Blues are lining as a possible destination for the 2014 season.
Blues coach Sir John Kirwan has been in touch with Marshall's agent, Martin Tauber, about the star signing with the rugby franchise. But there has also been interest from the Waratahs, and from rugby clubs in Japan that could offer more lucrative deals.
The Blues failed to make the Super rugby playoffs for the second straight year, winning just six of their 18 games in Kirwan's first season as coach. They have won just 10 of 36 games over the last two seasons and haven't won a playoff game since 2003.
But would Marshall be the answer to break the Blues' decade long drought?
FOUR REASONS WHY THE BLUES SHOULDN'T TOUCH MARSHALL WITH A BARGE-POLE
1\. There are better available options
If Blues ownership and management are making a purely rugby decision, why would you take a punt on Marshall when you have the chance to lure Beauden Barrett? The Taranaki first five-eighth is light years ahead of where Marshall would be in terms of rugby instinct and the fact he has already accrued eight test caps (most of them in fleeting cameos), indicates how highly he is rated.
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At 22, Barrett has youth and rugby pedigree on his side and the drum beats continue to get louder that he wants out of Wellington. He is the third best No 10 in the country with the potential to usurp Aaron Cruden as Dan Carter's back-up. By most measurements, he is a more level-headed rugby option than the wildcard Marshall.
2\. He is a player on the wane
This is the time when fence-sitters roll out the form is temporary, class is permanent cliché. While that might be true to a point, there comes a time when class merely papers over the cracks.
At his best, Marshall was a show-stopper like few before him, with his intoxicating combination of speed, footwork and an array of passes straight out of the Harlem Globetrotter handbook.
But seriously, when was the last time Marshall consistently took over games?
A series of shoulder dislocations (2004, 06, 07) and a knee ligament tear (2008) have dimmed him, as they would anybody, and he would be 29 by the time he pulled on a Blues' shirt in anger.
There is a reason Mick Potter dropped him this year, just as there is a reason Stephen Kearney prefers Simon Mannering as his skipper: the Marshall magic might still be there, but it is no longer on tap.
3\. His lateral running game is ill-suited to rugby
Marshall has a unique way of playing the game that requires a lot of players in motion as he crabs across the field looking for chinks of light in defensive walls.
This could be a problem. Rugby is seldom a game for mavericks anymore - it's certainly a lot different from the days when he last played it as a schoolboy - and it fast approaches the coaching prescription of American football. Marshall's style would inevitably close down the space of his outsides from set-piece and structured phase play, which could nullify what should be a Blues strength in future years - its pacy outsides.
That's not to say it couldn't work, but it appeals as a long-term coaching project, not a short-term fix.
Marshall has the short kicking game to play first five-eighth, but does he have the ability to effectively clear the lines on a foul night in Christchurch?
4\. He comes with baggage
League reporters who have followed his career closely will tell you that sometimes it is all about Benji - one giant superstar with a retinue of minions.
That shapes as an awkward fit into the ethos John Kirwan is trying to instill. You only have to look at how Sonny Bill Williams struggled at the one-for-all Crusaders before he found a more natural fit at the Chiefs, where they were happy for his star to shine brighter than anyone else.
AND ONE BIG REASON WHY THEY SHOULD…
1\. Bums on seats
Marshall is a magician, a player of such rare skill that the tight-lipped Wayne Bennett was moved to say: "He is a remarkable talent, born out of living on the edge. That's the way he is. He was made to be a footballer."
Marshall would be a stadium-filler in the mould of SBW. He would lift the profile of the Blues in a city where it competes for the affection of the dispensary dollar with the Warriors, Breakers and any number of one-off events.
Ultimately, he might offer more froth than filling, but that's not always a bad thing in this city.
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With reports suggesting Kiwis and Tigers playmaker Benji Marshall is set to jump codes, the Blues are lining as a possible destination for the 2014 season.
Blues coach Sir John Kirwan has been in touch with Marshall's agent, Martin Tauber, about the star signing with the rugby franchise. But there has also been interest from the Waratahs, and from rugby clubs in Japan that could offer more lucrative deals.
The Blues failed to make the Super rugby playoffs for the second straight year, winning just six of their 18 games in Kirwan's first season as coach. They have won just 10 of 36 games over the last two seasons and haven't won a playoff game since 2003.
But would Marshall be the answer to break the Blues' decade long drought?
FOUR REASONS WHY THE BLUES SHOULDN'T TOUCH MARSHALL WITH A BARGE-POLE
1\. There are better available options
If Blues ownership and management are making a purely rugby decision, why would you take a punt on Marshall when you have the chance to lure Beauden Barrett? The Taranaki first five-eighth is light years ahead of where Marshall would be in terms of rugby instinct and the fact he has already accrued eight test caps (most of them in fleeting cameos), indicates how highly he is rated.
Article continues below
At 22, Barrett has youth and rugby pedigree on his side and the drum beats continue to get louder that he wants out of Wellington. He is the third best No 10 in the country with the potential to usurp Aaron Cruden as Dan Carter's back-up. By most measurements, he is a more level-headed rugby option than the wildcard Marshall.
2\. He is a player on the wane
This is the time when fence-sitters roll out the form is temporary, class is permanent cliché. While that might be true to a point, there comes a time when class merely papers over the cracks.
At his best, Marshall was a show-stopper like few before him, with his intoxicating combination of speed, footwork and an array of passes straight out of the Harlem Globetrotter handbook.
But seriously, when was the last time Marshall consistently took over games?
A series of shoulder dislocations (2004, 06, 07) and a knee ligament tear (2008) have dimmed him, as they would anybody, and he would be 29 by the time he pulled on a Blues' shirt in anger.
There is a reason Mick Potter dropped him this year, just as there is a reason Stephen Kearney prefers Simon Mannering as his skipper: the Marshall magic might still be there, but it is no longer on tap.
3\. His lateral running game is ill-suited to rugby
Marshall has a unique way of playing the game that requires a lot of players in motion as he crabs across the field looking for chinks of light in defensive walls.
This could be a problem. Rugby is seldom a game for mavericks anymore - it's certainly a lot different from the days when he last played it as a schoolboy - and it fast approaches the coaching prescription of American football. Marshall's style would inevitably close down the space of his outsides from set-piece and structured phase play, which could nullify what should be a Blues strength in future years - its pacy outsides.
That's not to say it couldn't work, but it appeals as a long-term coaching project, not a short-term fix.
Marshall has the short kicking game to play first five-eighth, but does he have the ability to effectively clear the lines on a foul night in Christchurch?
4\. He comes with baggage
League reporters who have followed his career closely will tell you that sometimes it is all about Benji - one giant superstar with a retinue of minions.
That shapes as an awkward fit into the ethos John Kirwan is trying to instill. You only have to look at how Sonny Bill Williams struggled at the one-for-all Crusaders before he found a more natural fit at the Chiefs, where they were happy for his star to shine brighter than anyone else.
AND ONE BIG REASON WHY THEY SHOULD…
1\. Bums on seats
Marshall is a magician, a player of such rare skill that the tight-lipped Wayne Bennett was moved to say: "He is a remarkable talent, born out of living on the edge. That's the way he is. He was made to be a footballer."
Marshall would be a stadium-filler in the mould of SBW. He would lift the profile of the Blues in a city where it competes for the affection of the dispensary dollar with the Warriors, Breakers and any number of one-off events.
Ultimately, he might offer more froth than filling, but that's not always a bad thing in this city.
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I think its a good move for both parties, but I wonder if Benji is looking at the next four years or life after football. To cut his ties with the NRL will probably damage his media career post football. So you wonder what rugby might be offering him in his life after football. I see it as a massive risk for Benji, as good as footballer he is their is no certainty at his age he will make it in rugby. I can see a back flip coming if a another NRL team throws him a bucket full of cash.
Anyway I think it solves a lot of problems for the Tigers as I think their offer was based on loyalty to Benji more than anything else.Probably one of the last bricks in the Sheens wall to be demolished. Time to start build a new wall
Anyway I think it solves a lot of problems for the Tigers as I think their offer was based on loyalty to Benji more than anything else.Probably one of the last bricks in the Sheens wall to be demolished. Time to start build a new wall
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GNR4LIFE
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Former Wallaby Greg Martin has labelled Benji Marshall "old, no good, too fat and a spoilt brat,'' the former Australian fullback also said. "I haven't seen him make a break this year. He makes Quade Cooper look like Trevor Gillmeister in defence
tig_prmz
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/nrl/greg-martin-says-rugby-union-has-no-need-for-an-old-no-good-and-fat-benji-marshall/story-fni3gpyw-1226680198432
FORMER Wallaby now Fox Sports panelist Greg Martin has labelled Benji Marshall "old, no good and too fat'' and says rugby union doesn't want the disgruntled Wests Tiger.
The former Kiwi Test captain, 28, yesterday requested a release from his existing NRL deal, with an Australian or New Zealand Super Rugby team deemed the most likely destination.
Yet in a stunning assault, Martin claimed Marshall doesn't possess the skills to jump codes.
"What a spoilt brat,'' the former Australian fullback told Triple M today. "I haven't seen him make a break this year. He makes Quade Cooper look like Trevor Gillmeister in defence.
"He's going 'bugger you blokes, I'm going to go and play rugby'. Benji, we don't want you.
"It was a dream of a lot of people to play for the All Blacks, but you've got to be good enough.
"You're old, you're no good and you're too fat.''
FORMER Wallaby now Fox Sports panelist Greg Martin has labelled Benji Marshall "old, no good and too fat'' and says rugby union doesn't want the disgruntled Wests Tiger.
The former Kiwi Test captain, 28, yesterday requested a release from his existing NRL deal, with an Australian or New Zealand Super Rugby team deemed the most likely destination.
Yet in a stunning assault, Martin claimed Marshall doesn't possess the skills to jump codes.
"What a spoilt brat,'' the former Australian fullback told Triple M today. "I haven't seen him make a break this year. He makes Quade Cooper look like Trevor Gillmeister in defence.
"He's going 'bugger you blokes, I'm going to go and play rugby'. Benji, we don't want you.
"It was a dream of a lot of people to play for the All Blacks, but you've got to be good enough.
"You're old, you're no good and you're too fat.''
InBenjiWeTrust
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To be honest, a few bricks from Sheens wall are still standing: Farah, Galloway, Fulton, Lawrence, Woods, Blair, Moltzen :slight_smile:
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For years Tauber has played the Rugby Union card in negotiations.
It seems this time the club called their bluff and now he wants to cry about the NRL not helping out. What a cry baby.
Benji is a far better person then his representations actions have painted him to be.
That is the crying shame of it all
It seems this time the club called their bluff and now he wants to cry about the NRL not helping out. What a cry baby.
Benji is a far better person then his representations actions have painted him to be.
That is the crying shame of it all
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@GNR4LIFE said:
I really don't know everyone is getting so worked up.
With the low crowds of late at both grounds, the tigers can't afford to have another poor showing especially at their " spiritual home ground " LO.
The usual pre-LO promotion. Everyone will show up for Benji's last Game at LO, he'll about face on the release, everyone will be pissed and no one will show up at CSS for the Manly game.
Wait and see :slight_smile:
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It really is the changing of the guard in every sense at our club at the moment ! I think we all knew this was going to happen (Benji's decision),
He has been having problems since Tim Sheens left, and I don't think he would ever be the same at our club, so he has now taken the step, which most of the people on this forum seem to be relatively happy about., however as we all agree he has given us some wonderful football viewing, especially in the earlier years, so thanks for that Benji, and good luck for the future :stuck_out_tongue:
He has been having problems since Tim Sheens left, and I don't think he would ever be the same at our club, so he has now taken the step, which most of the people on this forum seem to be relatively happy about., however as we all agree he has given us some wonderful football viewing, especially in the earlier years, so thanks for that Benji, and good luck for the future :stuck_out_tongue:
hybrid_tiger
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@smeghead said:
Spot on.
