Brooks and Moses - At least one will not kick on

[Doc_Tiger]

One of them better kick on or we'll be a disaster for a lot more years yet. What concerns me is that I get the feeling that they're used to winning. But now they aren't and don't really look like they want to. They look kind of bored out there. Maybe this whole "new structure" is boring the pants off them. Would be great to have the coach say go out and play what you see - go have fun. I wonder if they'd put on a show or if they'd still struggle to impress? Maybe towards the end of the season when we're 6 points below the 2nd last placed team the reins will be loosened. Or maybe that assessment is a little harsh. I'm just frustrated.

 

[cktiger]

One of them better kick on or we'll be a disaster for a lot more years yet. What concerns me is that I get the feeling that they're used to winning. But now they aren't and don't really look like they want to. They look kind of bored out there. **Maybe this whole "new structure" is boring the pants off them.** Would be great to have the coach say go out and play what you see - go have fun. I wonder if they'd put on a show or if they'd still struggle to impress? Maybe towards the end of the season when we're 6 points below the 2nd last placed team the reins will be loosened. Or maybe that assessment is a little harsh. I'm just frustrated.

I think you can group Farah in with them too…. and most of the supporters.

 

[greatodensraven]

One thing re. their defence. If our forwards can't tackle blokes like Geurra, FPN & Kasiano etc. then how can you expect Brooks & Moses to?

More often than not if our forwards win the battle we win the game.

 

[Russell]

Moses reminds me of Daniel Mortimer

Mortimer was a 20 year old who helped parts make 09 gf. however Moses isn't anywhere as good at similar age.

hopefully moses career doesn't end up like mortimer

Disagree - he doesn't remind me at all of Daniel Mortimer.

Mortimer is a fraction above a plodder.

Moses has immense talent - not unleashed yet in the NRL. Standby peoples.

 

[TrueTiger]

Moses reminds me of Daniel Mortimer

Mortimer was a 20 year old who helped parts make 09 gf. however Moses isn't anywhere as good at similar age.

hopefully moses career doesn't end up like mortimer

Disagree - he doesn't remind me at all of Daniel Mortimer.

Mortimer is a fraction above a plodder.

Moses has immense talent - not unleashed yet in the NRL. Standby peoples.

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Here's hoping Russ…..

 

[jirskyr]

Moses reminds me of Daniel Mortimer

Mortimer was a 20 year old who helped parts make 09 gf. however Moses isn't anywhere as good at similar age.

hopefully moses career doesn't end up like mortimer

Disagree - he doesn't remind me at all of Daniel Mortimer.

Mortimer is a fraction above a plodder.

Moses has immense talent - not unleashed yet in the NRL. Standby peoples.

Gotta say he does remind me of Mortimer too. More that he kinda looks like him, rather than plays like him.

Truth for Moses is he is still finding his feet, I am certain we have yet to see half of what he is capable of. BUT he has to get those rubbish pass-regardless-of-what-is-unfolding out of his game. He has to do that now.

 

[Chevy]

Mortimer is slow while Moses is quite sharp,however since he is reluctant to run the ball it is fair comparison.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

One thing re. their defence. If our forwards can't tackle blokes like Geurra, FPN & Kasiano etc. then how can you expect Brooks & Moses to?

More often than not if our forwards win the battle we win the game.

100% correct, holding their own isn't just giving space for the halves to run its in defense as well.

Currently Brooks and Mosses are acting like backrowers in defence, and when we get over powered in the forwards they lack space, time which is hindering their ability to deliver

Positive for me is that they both have always had time when the footy is in their hands, so hopefully the speed of the NRL and being right on the front line will help them in 12-18mths time.

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[Tigermama]

Will this thread get a run every time we lose a game?? - even JT covered it in the press conference saying anyone who blames the young inexperienced halves for that loss is simply WRONG. Those of you who have played the game in the halves will know that if you play behind a dominant pack there is space and time in attack and less work and pressure in D. We let the Roosters pack roll through us for most of the game and no halves combo would have performed any better.

In his short time in NRL Brooks has shown on numerous occasions that he has the makings of a great half, and as for Moses, the guy has heart and courage and some very obvious ball skills and talent. These basics have got to be the stuff that makes great halves. If you think that while they learn and take on the responsibilities of guiding this young team under the weight of everyone's expectations, they won't make mistakes - well that's extremely unrealistic.

It's a game of 17 players and there are many in the team that need to improve on last Friday night's showing, however, I do agree that as a whole we look like a far different club this year than in recent seasons. At least we have been out there having a real dig and the focus each week is on playing NRL and how we get better at winning. I have faith in the big picture and it is way, way too early to tell what will come of the Tigers in this season or the next few.

Oh, and yes, we should never have let Koro or Blake go - but we did for whatever reasons. So they are GONE now - can't we get passed that at last and stop rehashing that crap???

Bravo SJ. I vote your post one of the best on this thread. Fans want instant success, but it's just not going to happen. The club's rolled the dice, so let's wait and see where they roll.
I believe we're heading in the right direction.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I've never seen so much chicken little syndrome in a thread since… well since last time we lost.

Our forwards were destroyed, our halves are not defensive giants. Most halves arent, their forwards just protect them better in the defensive line. Darren Lokyer was one of the worst defensive 5/8's i've seen. But was well protected (given a helping hand) by the likes of tonie carrol etc throughout his career at #6.
Thurston is another who struggled massively for years defensively.

Blake Austin saw an opportunity at a certain starting 6 role at canberra rather than fight for the position against one of our junior golden boys. Remember Austin was contracted for this year but HE asked for the release. Personally i think the club should have denied his request but i think many believe we did the right thing not keeping him here if he didnt want to be here.

In my opinion Jason Taylor's game plan is way too conservative. If we are to see the best out of Brooks and Moses they need to be able to roam, not parked on either side of the field.

This is a goodun too…..agree re the game plan.

I would def like to see them link up and play outside eachother.....they have done for years!

What you say about Lockyer and Thurston is right, but there's one factor that's very different to our case. Lockyer was already a first grader before he went into 5/8 , and they both came into teams with better packs than ours , who could protect them.
And the biggest difference of all is that they both ( as with most rookie halves), didn't come into first grade with another rookie with them. A VERY big difference!!

 

[Milky]

What if Moses takes control of the game and Brooks sort of takes the backfoot. Thats how they played in the juniors and this was changed due to Brooks having more experience.

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[Russell]

What if Moses takes control of the game and Brooks sort of takes the backfoot. Thats how they played in the juniors and this was changed due to Brooks having more experience.

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I'm sure, that is the way it will end up again Milky.

Need the forwards to stand up to give these little guys more time and space.

Then watch out!!!

But, you know that already.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I think its not a totally ridiculous statement to prepare for the fact that this pairing might not reach the expectations people have on them. If you look at it objectively and not just as a supporter then you know that these 2 becoming great players isn't a foregone conclusion.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Will this thread get a run every time we lose a game?? - even JT covered it in the press conference saying anyone who blames the young inexperienced halves for that loss is simply WRONG. Those of you who have played the game in the halves will know that if you play behind a dominant pack there is space and time in attack and less work and pressure in D. We let the Roosters pack roll through us for most of the game and no halves combo would have performed any better.

In his short time in NRL Brooks has shown on numerous occasions that he has the makings of a great half, and as for Moses, the guy has heart and courage and some very obvious ball skills and talent. These basics have got to be the stuff that makes great halves. If you think that while they learn and take on the responsibilities of guiding this young team under the weight of everyone's expectations, they won't make mistakes - well that's extremely unrealistic.

It's a game of 17 players and there are many in the team that need to improve on last Friday night's showing, however, I do agree that as a whole we look like a far different club this year than in recent seasons. At least we have been out there having a real dig and the focus each week is on playing NRL and how we get better at winning. I have faith in the big picture and it is way, way too early to tell what will come of the Tigers in this season or the next few.

Oh, and yes, we should never have let Koro or Blake go - but we did for whatever reasons. So they are GONE now - can't we get passed that at last and stop rehashing that crap???

Bravo SJ. I vote your post one of the best on this thread. Fans want instant success, but it's just not going to happen. The club's rolled the dice, so let's wait and see where they roll.
I believe we're heading in the right direction.

SJ
I think you are missing the point of a some posters on here. I'm ( and I'm sure a lot of others) aren't blaming them at all for last weeks loss. My problem is with the club for throwing them into first grade, where every club is kicking their lips at the thought of having two inexperienced halves to smash each week.
Every half gets targeted, but we have TWO targets in every game and aren't very good at protecting them. One of them is only approx 80 kgs.
As had been said before many times. These are only kids, and deserve to be given time to be ready for first grade, especially Moses
Physically brooks is better equipped to handle it , but Moses is a different thing.
The failure of our forwards was the biggest problem in last weeks game, not them,
But I still think Moses needs more time in the lower grades.
The lapse of our forwards , is not new and will happen again throught the year whether the halves improve or not.
I just don't want to see Moses bashed around more than he should , just because the club
Thinks they have no alternative.
We will have bad games and good games for the rest of the season and those games will have no bearing on the fact that I still believe that it's too soon for Moses

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

only one team can win the comp.
fat or skinny halves
smart or dull
young or old
i say - throw them in the deep end.
investments mature

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Will this thread get a run every time we lose a game?? - even JT covered it in the press conference saying anyone who blames the young inexperienced halves for that loss is simply WRONG. Those of you who have played the game in the halves will know that if you play behind a dominant pack there is space and time in attack and less work and pressure in D. We let the Roosters pack roll through us for most of the game and no halves combo would have performed any better.

In his short time in NRL Brooks has shown on numerous occasions that he has the makings of a great half, and as for Moses, the guy has heart and courage and some very obvious ball skills and talent. These basics have got to be the stuff that makes great halves. If you think that while they learn and take on the responsibilities of guiding this young team under the weight of everyone's expectations, they won't make mistakes - well that's extremely unrealistic.

It's a game of 17 players and there are many in the team that need to improve on last Friday night's showing, however, I do agree that as a whole we look like a far different club this year than in recent seasons. At least we have been out there having a real dig and the focus each week is on playing NRL and how we get better at winning. I have faith in the big picture and it is way, way too early to tell what will come of the Tigers in this season or the next few.

Oh, and yes, we should never have let Koro or Blake go - but we did for whatever reasons. So they are GONE now - can't we get passed that at last and stop rehashing that crap???

Bravo SJ. I vote your post one of the best on this thread. Fans want instant success, but it's just not going to happen. The club's rolled the dice, so let's wait and see where they roll.
I believe we're heading in the right direction.

Instant success? How about just SOME success. 05 aside, this club is the most unsuccessful club of the last 15 yrs with the lowest amount of playoff appearances of any team in the comp. People get tired of losing after a while, but criticized cos they don't to want to cop a further 2 or 3 yrs of losing at the expense of developing kids who may not cut it in the long run?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Will this thread get a run every time we lose a game?? - even JT covered it in the press conference saying anyone who blames the young inexperienced halves for that loss is simply WRONG. Those of you who have played the game in the halves will know that if you play behind a dominant pack there is space and time in attack and less work and pressure in D. We let the Roosters pack roll through us for most of the game and no halves combo would have performed any better.

In his short time in NRL Brooks has shown on numerous occasions that he has the makings of a great half, and as for Moses, the guy has heart and courage and some very obvious ball skills and talent. These basics have got to be the stuff that makes great halves. If you think that while they learn and take on the responsibilities of guiding this young team under the weight of everyone's expectations, they won't make mistakes - well that's extremely unrealistic.

It's a game of 17 players and there are many in the team that need to improve on last Friday night's showing, however, I do agree that as a whole we look like a far different club this year than in recent seasons. At least we have been out there having a real dig and the focus each week is on playing NRL and how we get better at winning. I have faith in the big picture and it is way, way too early to tell what will come of the Tigers in this season or the next few.

Oh, and yes, we should never have let Koro or Blake go - but we did for whatever reasons. So they are GONE now - can't we get passed that at last and stop rehashing that crap???

Bravo SJ. I vote your post one of the best on this thread. Fans want instant success, but it's just not going to happen. The club's rolled the dice, so let's wait and see where they roll.
I believe we're heading in the right direction.

Instant success? How about just SOME success. 05 aside, this club is the most unsuccessful club of the last 15 yrs with the lowest amount of playoff appearances of any team in the comp. People get tired of losing after a while, but criticized cos they don't to want to cop a further 2 or 3 yrs of losing at the expense of developing kids who may not cut it in the long run?

You might be right about finals appearances, but I disagree with the measure of success. We've won a premiership. I'll take that over a team like the Cowboys who have routinely made the semis over the last ten years to miss out, or a team of perpetual losers like Cronulla.

P.S. I do agree this club is a perennial underachiever though and I want nothing more to see us return to the winners circle.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

that simple - lets move on then shall we

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[Russell]

Will this thread get a run every time we lose a game?? - even JT covered it in the press conference saying anyone who blames the young inexperienced halves for that loss is simply WRONG. Those of you who have played the game in the halves will know that if you play behind a dominant pack there is space and time in attack and less work and pressure in D. We let the Roosters pack roll through us for most of the game and no halves combo would have performed any better.

In his short time in NRL Brooks has shown on numerous occasions that he has the makings of a great half, and as for Moses, the guy has heart and courage and some very obvious ball skills and talent. These basics have got to be the stuff that makes great halves. If you think that while they learn and take on the responsibilities of guiding this young team under the weight of everyone's expectations, they won't make mistakes - well that's extremely unrealistic.

It's a game of 17 players and there are many in the team that need to improve on last Friday night's showing, however, I do agree that as a whole we look like a far different club this year than in recent seasons. At least we have been out there having a real dig and the focus each week is on playing NRL and how we get better at winning. I have faith in the big picture and it is way, way too early to tell what will come of the Tigers in this season or the next few.

Oh, and yes, we should never have let Koro or Blake go - but we did for whatever reasons. So they are GONE now - can't we get passed that at last and stop rehashing that crap???

Bravo SJ. I vote your post one of the best on this thread. Fans want instant success, but it's just not going to happen. The club's rolled the dice, so let's wait and see where they roll.
I believe we're heading in the right direction.

Instant success? How about just SOME success. 05 aside, this club is the most unsuccessful club of the last 15 yrs with the lowest amount of playoff appearances of any team in the comp. People get tired of losing after a while, but criticized cos they don't to want to cop a further 2 or 3 yrs of losing at the expense of developing kids who may not cut it in the long run?

You might be right about finals appearances, but I disagree with the measure of success. We've won a premiership. I'll take that over a team like the Cowboys who have routinely made the semis over the last ten years to miss out, or a team of perpetual losers like Cronulla.

P.S. I do agree this club is a perennial underachiever though and I want nothing more to see us return to the winners circle.

Or a team like Souffs who took 43 years. (that'll give us a few more up our sleeve).

 

[Tigermama]

Will this thread get a run every time we lose a game?? - even JT covered it in the press conference saying anyone who blames the young inexperienced halves for that loss is simply WRONG. Those of you who have played the game in the halves will know that if you play behind a dominant pack there is space and time in attack and less work and pressure in D. We let the Roosters pack roll through us for most of the game and no halves combo would have performed any better.

In his short time in NRL Brooks has shown on numerous occasions that he has the makings of a great half, and as for Moses, the guy has heart and courage and some very obvious ball skills and talent. These basics have got to be the stuff that makes great halves. If you think that while they learn and take on the responsibilities of guiding this young team under the weight of everyone's expectations, they won't make mistakes - well that's extremely unrealistic.

It's a game of 17 players and there are many in the team that need to improve on last Friday night's showing, however, I do agree that as a whole we look like a far different club this year than in recent seasons. At least we have been out there having a real dig and the focus each week is on playing NRL and how we get better at winning. I have faith in the big picture and it is way, way too early to tell what will come of the Tigers in this season or the next few.

Oh, and yes, we should never have let Koro or Blake go - but we did for whatever reasons. So they are GONE now - can't we get passed that at last and stop rehashing that crap???

Bravo SJ. I vote your post one of the best on this thread. Fans want instant success, but it's just not going to happen. The club's rolled the dice, so let's wait and see where they roll.
I believe we're heading in the right direction.

Instant success? How about just SOME success. 05 aside, this club is the most unsuccessful club of the last 15 yrs with the lowest amount of playoff appearances of any team in the comp. People get tired of losing after a while, but criticized cos they don't to want to cop a further 2 or 3 yrs of losing at the expense of developing kids who may not cut it in the long run?

It's not criticism, but an opinion GNR. Big difference. It's round 10\. We're 10th on the ladder. Won 4 out of 9\. Bulldogs Manly etc. are below us. We're not traveling too badly. The team's attitude is better than it has been for a long time, and like SJ said they are having a dig.
That tells me that JT is doing something right. The club is building for the future and i for one, hope it's a bright one. Only time will tell.