Brooks.... what is he good for??

[avocadoontoast]

1 try assist for the year is petty damning stat

It’s unbelievable. He’s had a terrible year and last night his performance was indefensible.

 

[gallagher]

1 try assist for the year is petty damning stat

It’s unbelievable. He’s had a terrible year and last night his performance was indefensible.

Remarkable, considering we're up the top for points scored as a team

 

[Needaname]

As Maguire said the 1st half cost us the game too many errors barely had a tackle in the opposition half let alone the 20..when we maintained possession in the 2nd half we came back into the game..

***Brooks for what it's worth was involved in both TRIES 1st running getting a quick play the ball for Grant to but Aloiai over ..the 2nd a long ball to Mbye who put Hoffman over..***

1st time I've actually heard Maguire question some ref decisions especially the Captains challenge ..

**Great teams can overcome this we are not a Great team but we are a good enough one that** doesn't turn it up like past Wests Tigers teams I have witnessed and lose by 40..it's changing..

By all means though make all the changes you want..

I seriously believe that Brooks does have great instinctive ability but that somewhere along the line he's been asked(coached) to develop all other areas of the game - despite this being his main strength - and it's shaken all confidence. His career over the past 2 years alone confirms this.
Our forward pack are smaller and more inexperienced than **every** other pack.
We lack strike in our backline.
One of his potential halves partner is slower, can't tackle effectively but is more than equipped "between the ears".
The other brings energy and effort, will occasionally create a smart play but is equally as incompetent as him in bailing the team out of trouble.
Grant(especially has) been fantastic and Doueihi smart, but they have also made the wrong choice in crucial moments of the game.
This team has to work extra hard (and only works) as a unit and we're usually required to get every single thing right to get us over the advantage line.
If we need to address Luke's shortcomings we also need to look at the team's overall weaknesses.
So if we're honest with his assessment, we also need be realistic in the team's assessment and our current circumstances - being seriously under strengthened - and how this will also effect a player's form.
(Go back and look at that Dragons debut game, then the years when we had JT. Ivan might be crap at creating a great attacking game plan but he had the team showing faith in each other and Luke thrived off this. His instincts are there but it's been the coaching as much as the stability of the team which stunts/ed it).

But in saying that he needs to own his ability and work toward improving his improvisation during game time. I think he can be as dangerous as a Cody Walker or Keary if he works on it. If you don't believe me look back at his games when Taylor was our coach and he(Brooks) moved away from using his natural skills, this is where it started to go wrong for him.

I'm not against resting him for a week if needed but it doesn't exactly solve all our problems.
This is the only thing I don't understand with our bench selections and interchange use, at times it's looked like we've gone out with a similar game plan to a Storm and Roosters and this doesn't work for our team. We can try to grind out wins but the boys will be depleted week after week.
We look better when we try to run teams ragged.
I think we need to work more on our defensive structures and with our spine - their attacking plays and kicking. If anything, this is what is winning games. Look to DCE and Pearce, they still don't really produce game winning plays individually but it's rather that their teams look more cohesive when it is pulled off.

Agree with part of this.
Unfortunately In all those past games his had a senior head taking the reins and allowing him to come into the game when the play is on.
Now we need him more than even to be in every play regardless of whether it is on or not.
He can no longer play the game just sitting back waiting for the shift or for the time to kick. He needs to be involved in the first 3 tackles ensuring his forwards and his side of the field are putting the team in the best position for that 4th or 5th tackle play.
What irks me mostly is that Grant and Brooks are almost clones in skill and running games, obvious difference is the positions they play. But what we are missing is Brooks following every forward run and pushing up alongside or behind Grant for every run he makes. What he could also do well is control the open side of the field, if grants take the play right with the forwards a wider ball to Brooks in the next play opens us up for an inside or outside ball to a hard running forward.
What im saying is we can play the whole width of the field with both Grant and Brooks and really tire out opposing teams and open holes up for our runners but we play too conservatively and Brooks as a result is happy to just sit and wait.

 

[Tiger5150]

He should be dropped ...
Kicked out on the full under no pressure and caught on the last tackle ..

Drop him

The kick that went out on the full, he was under pressure, pulled towards the sideline, which skewed the ball that way as well.

Bag him all you like but get the facts right in the process.

That kick that went out on the full, should not have been kicked out obviously but it was the worst and slowest PTB on the last in history. It was like watching in slow motion Cook lining him up and you had time to see it was going to go bad. Still shouldnt have been kicked out, but it highlights to me how all these things and linked.

 

[tony soprano]

He’s playing like a forward with the run mantra Maguire telling him pity he runs at the wrong time prop like hit ups or on the 4th tackle he’s not doing halfback like runs through the line hardly and he’s passing game has gone backwards.

Can’t see us being any worse with Walters in the halves.

 

[Tiger5150]

Im a Brooks fan, but tonight he was poor. But he wasnt on his own, REynolds, Mbye, Hoffman, MCK, Clarke, all poor

Wow I think you are being harsh on Hoffman. They sent a lot of traffic and kicks his way. He defused all bombs and scored a good try. If his centre had of helped him a little in defence then they may have been able to withstand some of the attack down that side.

Exactly .. his inept partner inside of him was a disgrace !

Im not sure you understand how defence works between centre & winger. Why do you think that Mbye, who has been our best and most reliable defender in the backline all year, rushed up?

Yes he was trying to shut down the play, but failed miserably time and time again and made no adjustments

If he could or did trust his winger to be in position, he wouldnt need to

 

[Deleted member 3518]

1 try assist for the year is petty damning stat

It’s unbelievable. He’s had a terrible year and last night his performance was indefensible.

His cutout ball put Mbye away to pass to Hoffman . He gets zilcho for that , and Mbye gets the try assist for the draw and pass . There’s at least 5 -6 others like that this year .
You guys are just sitting there waiting for a Bad game to prove your point . Bunch of agenda driven douche bags

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Also , all the tries down the left were because Mbye panicked at the thought of leaving Hoffman isolated . That happened at least 3 times . He jumped out to shut it down because he didn’t trust Hoffman to make the one on one tackle

 

[avocadoontoast]

Bunch of agenda driven douche bags

😂😂😂 how old are you, 5?

 

[hobbo1]

1 try assist for the year is petty damning stat

It’s unbelievable. He’s had a terrible year and last night his performance was indefensible.

His cutout ball put Mbye away to pass to Hoffman . He gets zilcho for that , and Mbye gets the try assist for the draw and pass . There’s at least 5 -6 others like that this year .
You guys are just sitting there waiting for a Bad game to prove your point . Bunch of agenda driven douche bags

And then the fan boys sit on there hands for 4 weeks waiting for him to do something then call out the nay sayers ..

 

[happy_tiger]

1 try assist for the year is petty damning stat

It’s unbelievable. He’s had a terrible year and last night his performance was indefensible.

His cutout ball put Mbye away to pass to Hoffman . He gets zilcho for that , and Mbye gets the try assist for the draw and pass . There’s at least 5 -6 others like that this year .
You guys are just sitting there waiting for a Bad game to prove your point . Bunch of agenda driven douche bags

And then the fan boys sit on there hands for 4 weeks waiting for him to do something then call out the nay sayers ..

Goggles are worse than the player Hobbo

 

[Geo]

1 try assist for the year is petty damning stat

It’s unbelievable. He’s had a terrible year and last night his performance was indefensible.

His cutout ball put Mbye away to pass to Hoffman . He gets zilcho for that , and Mbye gets the try assist for the draw and pass . There’s at least 5 -6 others like that this year .
You guys are just sitting there waiting for a Bad game to prove your point . Bunch of agenda driven douche bags

It doesn’t matter what you point out in games that he does it’s just countered with he’s crap...nothing you can do

Brooks took the line on and got a quick play the ball when Grant put Aloiai over Brooks also put in both attacking kicks one which Rowdy caught on the line in the 1st half and Nofoaluma seemed took have knocked forward.. defensively he had a poor game by his standards but still put a hit on Sua that forced a mistake..

Don’t matter cause he’s crap

 

[hobbo1]

1 try assist for the year is petty damning stat

It’s unbelievable. He’s had a terrible year and last night his performance was indefensible.

His cutout ball put Mbye away to pass to Hoffman . He gets zilcho for that , and Mbye gets the try assist for the draw and pass . There’s at least 5 -6 others like that this year .
You guys are just sitting there waiting for a Bad game to prove your point . Bunch of agenda driven douche bags

And then the fan boys sit on there hands for 4 weeks waiting for him to do something then call out the nay sayers ..

Goggles are worse than the player Hobbo

Where do I buy these goggles mate ?
Send me a link !

 

[Deleted member 3518]

1 try assist for the year is petty damning stat

It’s unbelievable. He’s had a terrible year and last night his performance was indefensible.

His cutout ball put Mbye away to pass to Hoffman . He gets zilcho for that , and Mbye gets the try assist for the draw and pass . There’s at least 5 -6 others like that this year .
You guys are just sitting there waiting for a Bad game to prove your point . Bunch of agenda driven douche bags

And then the fan boys sit on there hands for 4 weeks waiting for him to do something then call out the nay sayers ..

What fan boy ? Me ? I’ve posted like 10 times in the thread stating facts and reasons why this take is the equivalent of anti vax and flat earthers.
You want to know why we lost ? It’s simple we couldn’t get out of our own half . That’s it ! There’s your answer. Mainly because we were stung for repeat sets and penalties and the other team wasn’t . Also because we struggled to get over the advantage line , and as such kept making errors in the play the ball .
Also benji wasn’t the reason we started playing footy miraculously one the last 20 . You want to know why? Field position ! Penalties 3 repeat sets . Momentum . Zero to do with the perceived ineptitude of our half .

 

[bigsiro]

Madge, please, we like you a lot.
But if you don’t drop Brooks you’ll become a scapegoat and another coach will have to.
Just get it done. It’s that simple.

 

[hobbo1]

1 try assist for the year is petty damning stat

It’s unbelievable. He’s had a terrible year and last night his performance was indefensible.

His cutout ball put Mbye away to pass to Hoffman . He gets zilcho for that , and Mbye gets the try assist for the draw and pass . There’s at least 5 -6 others like that this year .
You guys are just sitting there waiting for a Bad game to prove your point . Bunch of agenda driven douche bags

And then the fan boys sit on there hands for 4 weeks waiting for him to do something then call out the nay sayers ..

What fan boy ? Me ? I’ve posted like 10 times in the thread stating facts and reasons why this take is the equivalent of anti vax and flat earthers.
You want to know why we lost ? It’s simple we couldn’t get out of our own half . That’s it ! There’s your answer. Mainly because we were stung for repeat sets and penalties and the other team wasn’t . Also because we struggled to get over the advantage line , and as such kept making errors in the play the ball .
Also benji wasn’t the reason we started playing footy miraculously one the last 20 . You want to know why? Field position ! Penalties 3 repeat sets . Momentum . Zero to do with the perceived ineptitude of our half .

Yep you’re a fanboy...
And you have the hide to call us douche bags ?

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Bunch of agenda driven douche bags

??? how old are you, 5?

You know who’s a child ? Someone who carry’s on like a baby BeCAuSE ThIEr FoOTY TeAm LoSt! Wanting people dropped , calling everyone the worst player ever , bla bla bla . Sook sook sook! show me a single post where there’s anything remotely like accurate , thoughtful ,constructive , reasonable criticism , from the usual suspects ?
Here’s the deal. Brooks had a bad game . He forced the issue because of the lack of momentum the team was giving him . His defence was abysmal, mainly I think , because he and Mbye were terrified of leaving Hoffman alone with Gagai , and More importantly Lattrel which led to them jumping at sharks and creating the very isolation they were trying to prevent.

 

[hobbo1]

Madge, please, we like you a lot.
But if you don’t drop Brooks you’ll become a scapegoat and another coach will have to.
Just get it done. It’s that simple.

It will happen for sure
Has with every other coach 😂

 

[Guest]

Also , all the tries down the left were because Mbye panicked at the thought of leaving Hoffman isolated . That happened at least 3 times . He jumped out to shut it down because he didn’t trust Hoffman to make the one on one tackle

You know this for a fact do you?

 

[Needaname]

Is it possible to get an unemotional opinion out there on this forum.
Brooks is far from crap, however, the way he is playing at the moment is, with respect.
It’s nice to point out the things he does well.
The criticism is however in this case well and truely warranted.
A lot of people are stating baseless opinions but the fact remains he does not get involved enough in play this season.
Here are the facts.
Of all starting halfbacks this year. Leader in ()
Tied 2nd in tries with 2 (Flanagan with 4)
11th for try assists with 3. (George Williams 8 )
9th for try contributions with 2 (N Cleary 9)
11th for Total try contributions with 7 (N Cleary 16)
12th for Possession with 304 (DCE with 511)
2nd for runs with 49 (DCE with 57)
1st for run meters with 465m (Williams 2nd with 462m)
2nd for line breaks with 3 (Williams with 4)
6th for line break assists, 3 (DCE with 7)
3rd for tackle busts 15, (DCE with 26)
3rd for offloads, 5 (DCE, Green with 6)
1st for effective offloads, 5 (DCE, 4)
10th for kicks, 71 (DCE, 122)
10th for Kick Metres, 1818 (A Reynolds, 3610)
9th for Forced drop outs, 3 (Moses, 9)
9th for long kicks, 32 (A Reynolds with 66)
2nd for Weighted Kicks, 9 (DCE with 12)
10th for Attacking Kicks, 30 (N Cleary, 57)
Equal Last for kicks dead, 0 (DCE with 2)
2nd for Kick Errors, 5 (Mitch Moses, 6)
2nd Meters Per Run, 9 (Mitch Moses, 11)
2nd Dummy Half Runs, 3 (DCE, 4)
12th for Line Engagements, 43 (N Cleary, 94)
15th for General Play Passing, 121 (Pearce, 248)
6th Total tackles, 141 (Kyle Flanagan, 219)
13th for Missed Tackles 11 (Townsend, 28)
16th for Ineffective tackles 4 (Flanagan, 18)
1st for Tackle efficiency, 90% (Foggerty, 2, 88%)
7th for one on one tackles, 19 (Croft, 28)
11th for Try Causes, 1 (Flanagan, 7)
8th for Line Break Causes, 3 (Croft, 6)
1st for Errors, 11 (Croft, 2, 10)
13th for Penalty’s, 1 (Flanagan, 7)