Brutally honest opinion on our halves

[ragedmachine]

Everyone talks about their age and what is installed 'for the future'.

So I will say this.

The spotlight and media have already gotten to their heads and all this ego-inflating is making them play like they are already superstars. *ala Benji Marshall.

When we had our opportunities to take the golden point field goals, you could see it in their eyes, both of them wanted personal glory and took the shot at immediate opportunity without thought of situation (tackle count, time, field position and offensive line blocking rushing defense). Surely when you are given 5 tackles in the opposition half, the reasonable logic would be to advance down the field and get as close and direct as you can to the sticks to slot it right in front?

They put their egos in front of the team and it burnt us.

I will even bet that one or both of them will admit this later in the week to the media saying that they have 'learnt from their mistakes'.

Sadly, bad habits stick, and because they are both instinctual players it will take many years for them to rid this style of play (if ever) - having both of these halves IMO will detriment the team. We do not need 2 x B. Marshall's.

This is what I see for the future. More dumb, 'off the cuff' plays that will either win the hearts or break them. However in this day and age of NRL, you need surety, professionalism and composure, something that Moses and Brooks can takes notes from Cronk.

 

[Telltails]

Cant win can they. Meant to take control and when they do if it dosnt come off its an ego problem. Really. Golden point is set up to make one team elated and the other feel the pain. Our boys played well enough yesterday to take something away from that game against all odds without being criticised this morning.

 

[ricksen]

Disagree re: the FGs.
Moses was right in front and had plenty of time. Twas the right time to have a shot, and he just missed it.
Brooks's was a little more rushed as we didn't really have a great set to prepare for it. In retrospect he may have been better off putting it in to the corner and making Melbourne work it out from deep, rather than give them 7 tackles. Harsh perhaps, but it ended up costing us the game.

 

[Guest]

Moses was in the right place at the right time. He shanked it plain and simple.

 

[Tigerheart_returns]

What Willow said..

 

[tsjonathan]

I have a feeling Martin will be a huge loss and the one we should have kept

 

[ragedmachine]

Moses was skewed a bit to the right - granted a half should kick these every day of the week, under pressure it's a different story, hence it gliding to the right of the upright.

Maintain possession to at least 4th tackle, get him square directly in front and he would have slotted it.

 

[prattenpark]

I would have expected both of them to have developed further by now. Brooks has 51 games and Moses 40 odd, under their belts. Our last tackle options are far too often just ordinary. We failed to get a repeat set of six yesterday, nor did we put the ball into the corners. We failed to build any pressure, turning over the ball to the Storm too easily with tackle one on the 20-30m line. Will they ever learn? do I expect too much? How long do we wait? I don't know the answer

 

[ragedmachine]

I would have expected both of them to have developed further by now. Brooks has 51 games and Moses 40 odd, under their belts. Our last tackle options are far too often just ordinary. We failed to get a repeat set of six yesterday, nor did we put the ball into the corners. We failed to build any pressure, turning over the ball to the Storm too easily with tackle one on the 20-30m line. Will they ever learn? do I expect too much? How long do we wait? I don't know the answer

Exactly. At 63 min, we were down by six, 20 meters out Brooks decides to kick one of those 'other way' kicks inside for Tedesco, but if I recall, he wasn't even on the field and no one was chasing it - goes down Munster's throat. FMD.

 

[Cosimo_Zaretti]

All playmakers, even the most experienced, will struggle for the right option under pressure. Time and space to run also equates to time to think. Smith, Cronk and Green also had a night of rushed sloppy decision making. If anything Brooks and Moses looked more composed compared to an outfit with half the QLD and Australian spine.

What we didn't see were the kicks over the dead ball line, touchfinders out on the full and knock ons that signal a half has really lost it. Think Daly Chery Evans on a bad night when he's been hit a couple of times.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Brooks' shot missed by a mile and he reacted like it missed by an inch.

 

[Russell]

Everyone talks about their age and what is installed 'for the future'.

So I will say this.

The spotlight and media have already gotten to their heads and all this ego-inflating is making them play like they are already superstars. *ala Benji Marshall.

When we had our opportunities to take the golden point field goals, you could see it in their eyes, both of them wanted personal glory and took the shot at immediate opportunity without thought of situation (tackle count, time, field position and offensive line blocking rushing defense). Surely when you are given 5 tackles in the opposition half, the reasonable logic would be to advance down the field and get as close and direct as you can to the sticks to slot it right in front?

They put their egos in front of the team and it burnt us.

I will even bet that one or both of them will admit this later in the week to the media saying that they have 'learnt from their mistakes'.

Sadly, bad habits stick, and because they are both instinctual players it will take many years for them to rid this style of play (if ever) - having both of these halves IMO will detriment the team. We do not need 2 x B. Marshall's.

This is what I see for the future. More dumb, 'off the cuff' plays that will either win the hearts or break them. However in this day and age of NRL, you need surety, professionalism and composure, something that Moses and Brooks can takes notes from Cronk.

Bit of a difference between Moses / Brooks and Cronk.

They are at the start of their career and he is at the end of his. I would hope they could learn something seeing he has had 12 years in the NRL, SOO and the National team.

Don't know what you expect. Too much at this stage I would think.

 

[Russell]

I have a feeling Martin will be a huge loss and the one we should have kept

I have a feeling he is going to be a BIG Dud. I am glad we let him go.

 

[Russell]

I would have expected both of them to have developed further by now. Brooks has 51 games and Moses 40 odd, under their belts. Our last tackle options are far too often just ordinary. We failed to get a repeat set of six yesterday, nor did we put the ball into the corners. We failed to build any pressure, turning over the ball to the Storm too easily with tackle one on the 20-30m line. Will they ever learn? do I expect too much? How long do we wait? I don't know the answer

Exactly. At 63 min, we were down by six, 20 meters out Brooks decides to kick one of those 'other way' kicks inside for Tedesco, but if I recall, he wasn't even on the field and no one was chasing it - goes down Munster's throat. FMD.

As I recall - Moses was chasing.

 

[hobbo]

I have a feeling Martin will be a huge loss and the one we should have kept

I have a feeling he is going to be a BIG Dud. I am glad we let him go.

Gus Goukd would beg to differ , he's the one we should've kept .
At least the kid can kick a field goal .

 

[Russell]

I have a feeling Martin will be a huge loss and the one we should have kept

I have a feeling he is going to be a BIG Dud. I am glad we let him go.

Gus Goukd would beg to differ , he's the one we should've kept .
At least the kid can kick a field goal .

In your opinion.

I would suggest if he was in the halves, we wouldn't even have gotten to GP.

Would he have kicked the field - you'll never know.

 

[ragedmachine]

Would he have kicked the field goal - you'll never know.

He kicked one on debut 30m out under pressure to seal their win. The kid hasn't got ego - that we know.

 

[hobbo]

I have a feeling Martin will be a huge loss and the one we should have kept

I have a feeling he is going to be a BIG Dud. I am glad we let him go.

Gus Goukd would beg to differ , he's the one we should've kept .
At least the kid can kick a field goal .

In your opinion.

I would suggest if he was in the halves, we wouldn't even have gotten to GP.
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In your opinion
Would he have kicked the field - you'll never know.

Most likely IMO

 

[tsjonathan]

Would he have kicked the field goal - you'll never know.

He kicked one on debut 30m out under pressure to seal their win. The kid hasn't got ego - that we know.

He was never really part of the group (Moses, Brooks, teddy etc). From what I have heard he was much more reserved and quieter/humble.

He lived with Milone's folks for a while.

For those who are doubting Martin, fair enough he is young and raw but it must mean something if by all accounts at least a dozen clubs were chasing his signature and was chased heavily by the Cowboys to be the heir to Thurston. I doubt the cowboys and all those clubs would be chasing a dud.

I wonder how many clubs are chasing Brooks and Moses (seriously)?

 

[greatodensraven]

Moses was in the right place at the right time. He shanked it plain and simple.

Exactly. No point pondering on it. If they take another couple of tackles to get closer to the posts anything could've happened, we could've dropped it playing the ball, etc.

Very disappointing loss but could've easily gone our way before golden point with a bit of luck from refs calls.