Brutally honest opinion on our halves

[Eddie]

That the problem.
As Eddie said worst kicking game in comp.

These players have to decide what they want to be.
They aren't great defenders.
Poor kicking game.
Below average goal kicker.
Still throwing poor passes.

And even worse not often supporting the play.

They have learn to do something really well.

And no way worth 800k their option. For that money we should have options.

Sadly thats what Benji ended up being although his defence improved heaps.

* Poor general play kicker
* average goal kicker
* Still throwing poor passes
* And wanting 800K

We need substance in these young blokes. Im not giving up on them but you want to see them win us a game or two through really strong actions.

 

[glebe_tiger]

I posted something similar in the brooks leaving thread but this is what we get when very young footballers no matter how good theyre supposed to be are burdened with steering a first grade team around in the NRL. Also goes to show the difference in standards from u20's to first grade, massive.

 

[hobbo]

I posted something similar in the brooks leaving thread but this is what we get when very young footballers no matter how good theyre supposed to be are burdened with steering a first grade team around in the NRL. Also goes to show the difference in standards from u20's to first grade, massive.

They both should've done some time in the NSW cup before entering the Top Grade IMO .

 

[foreveratiger]

I'll even take Jamie Soward and that is seriously saying something 😱pen_mouth:.
His kicking game for the Roosters Tonight was unbelievable especially the last 10 minutes but defence wise his a turnstile.

 

[Cosimo_Zaretti]

I think it was seven rather than nine, but the point remains. Textbook stuff.
Meanwhile we've forced seven dropouts all season.

Haven't been giving away too many 20m restarts either. Does seem to be a deliberate choice not to kick for the ingoal.

 

[maxxy86]

What I can't get out of my head is round 1 when Moses was in full command…. Most of that game was good from him. Its a sign for me.

 

[tsjonathan]

I posted something similar in the brooks leaving thread but this is what we get when very young footballers no matter how good theyre supposed to be are burdened with steering a first grade team around in the NRL. Also goes to show the difference in standards from u20's to first grade, massive.

They both should've done some time in the NSW cup before entering the Top Grade IMO .

They did hobbo. Moses and Brooks both played very well in the games I saw them in NSW Cup. Do you recall the tigers winning like 5-6 in a row when Moses and Korobiete were in NSW cup?

 

[tig_prmz]

I would have expected both of them to have developed further by now. Brooks has 51 games and Moses 40 odd, under their belts. Our last tackle options are far too often just ordinary. We failed to get a repeat set of six yesterday, nor did we put the ball into the corners. We failed to build any pressure, turning over the ball to the Storm too easily with tackle one on the 20-30m line. Will they ever learn? do I expect too much? How long do we wait? I don't know the answer

Exactly. At 63 min, we were down by six, 20 meters out Brooks decides to kick one of those 'other way' kicks inside for Tedesco, but if I recall, he wasn't even on the field and no one was chasing it - goes down Munster's throat. FMD.

As I recall - Moses was chasing.

yep, that's the one where he was tripped

 

[tig_prmz]

our kicking game wasn't too bad. it was boring 5 tackles bomb like last year but every single one of those bombs were end to end high bombs just short of the line, there was some good accuracy on those kicks.

short kicking game and finding space between wingers and fullback is still a problem.

 

[Love_the_WestsTigers]

Many wont agree but just listen to Taylor for the last 2 weeks and he is FED up with his halves

He has said (indirectly) they are putting pressure on the defence with poor choices in attack.
Last press conf he said both had a chance to win us the game in Extra time and couldnt and Taylor refused to blame the refs for the Forward Pass try from Storm, the trip, the penalty try to Lawrence and the hit on Teddy that led to their try.

He cant drop them either, will cop a lot of flak from tigers higher ups. Leave alone from some out here

 

[Russell]

Many wont agree but just listen to Taylor for the last 2 weeks and he is FED up with his halves

He has said (indirectly) they are putting pressure on the defence with poor choices in attack.
Last press conf he said both had a chance to win us the game in Extra time and couldnt and Taylor refused to blame the refs for the Forward Pass try from Storm, the trip, the penalty try to Lawrence and the hit on Teddy that led to their try.

He cant drop them either, will cop a lot of flak from tigers higher ups. Leave alone from some out here

I agree he was talking in the press conference, but disagree about what was said or not said. I think you heard or didn't hear what you wanted to hear.

I didn't think that was what he wasn't saying.

 

[jirskyr]

Many wont agree but just listen to Taylor for the last 2 weeks and he is FED up with his halves

He has said (indirectly) they are putting pressure on the defence with poor choices in attack.
Last press conf he said both had a chance to win us the game in Extra time and couldnt and Taylor refused to blame the refs for the Forward Pass try from Storm, the trip, the penalty try to Lawrence and the hit on Teddy that led to their try.

He cant drop them either, will cop a lot of flak from tigers higher ups. Leave alone from some out here

That's how a lot of non-Tigers supporters see it. That we got a few rough calls but in extra time we forced an error and had a shot in front of the posts.

If you don't sink that, under the current rules, you don't deserve to win.

I've been banging on about clutch plays since 2000 and mostly we fail miserably. No wonder we are 4/16 in golden point.

Give credit to Rankin for kicking a clutch penalty on Sunday, not an easy one. Anasta kicked a drop goal against Raiders in 2014… struggling to think of other recent clutch plays and none involving Broses?

 

[Telltails]

Many wont agree but just listen to Taylor for the last 2 weeks and he is FED up with his halves

He has said (indirectly) they are putting pressure on the defence with poor choices in attack.
Last press conf he said both had a chance to win us the game in Extra time and couldnt and Taylor refused to blame the refs for the Forward Pass try from Storm, the trip, the penalty try to Lawrence and the hit on Teddy that led to their try.

He cant drop them either, will cop a lot of flak from tigers higher ups. Leave alone from some out here

That's how a lot of non-Tigers supporters see it. That we got a few rough calls but in extra time we forced an error and had a shot in front of the posts.

If you don't sink that, under the current rules, you don't deserve to win.
I've been banging on about clutch plays since 2000 and mostly we fail miserably. No wonder we are 4/16 in golden point.

Give credit to Rankin for kicking a clutch penalty on Sunday, not an easy one. Anasta kicked a drop goal against Raiders in 2014… struggling to think of other recent clutch plays and none involving Broses?

Brooks kicked a field goal in the epic Easter Monday game against Parra two years back - not golden point but a critical point in the match to take us to the lead. Had a great game. Still think the contract saga has a lot to do with their inconsistent form. Cronk said as much two weeks ago in regard to to his form and then wisely retracted it the other day. Effected Foran and Daley Cherry last year too - whatever way it goes the sooner it is sorted the better for everyone.

 

[Love_the_WestsTigers]

Its either the contract or lack of confidence from not winning or perhaps both.

Im sure players can "over play" it when they are in the middle of contract negos.
Trying too hard is the phrase.

 

[Chadman_s_Ghost]

As soon as these 2 learn that repeat sets win games, we will start to see results.

Yes, they make boneheaded plays too often. They play Sheens-ball too often, trying to razzle dazzle the opposition.

Forward momentum (it's coming along nicely) and sustained pressure. And then we will talk about how good these 2 are.

They are still very young in the way they play. Too much Benji, not enough Scott Prince.

But, in the face of popular opinion, I believe they are worth a lot more than many on here want to believe. $800k might be tough to command, but upward of $600k for 2 of the most promising players in the NRL is fair enough.

 

[ricksen]

Many wont agree but just listen to Taylor for the last 2 weeks and he is FED up with his halves

He has said (indirectly) they are putting pressure on the defence with poor choices in attack.
Last press conf he said both had a chance to win us the game in Extra time and couldnt and Taylor refused to blame the refs for the Forward Pass try from Storm, the trip, the penalty try to Lawrence and the hit on Teddy that led to their try.

He cant drop them either, will cop a lot of flak from tigers higher ups. Leave alone from some out here

That's how a lot of non-Tigers supporters see it. That we got a few rough calls but in extra time we forced an error and had a shot in front of the posts.

If you don't sink that, under the current rules, you don't deserve to win.
I've been banging on about clutch plays since 2000 and mostly we fail miserably. No wonder we are 4/16 in golden point.

Give credit to Rankin for kicking a clutch penalty on Sunday, not an easy one. Anasta kicked a drop goal against Raiders in 2014… struggling to think of other recent clutch plays and none involving Broses?

Brooks kicked a field goal in the epic Easter Monday game against Parra two years back - not golden point but a critical point in the match to take us to the lead. Had a great game.

That version of Brooks is a world away from the one we're seeing now. Hard to watch.

 

[steve-o]

Maybe we should get one back on the panthers and pinch Nathan Cleary from them. He led the panthers holden cup team to a 50-4 beatdown of the roosters, who were alongside the panthers at the top of the table.
Perhaps we could get him in a package deal with his dad

Why do we want them?

Don't need his dad - we have a coach and we don't need him either, we have enough youngsters - there coming out of our ….

Same reason Panthers wanted Martin I guess!

Cleary would be a better coach than Taylor - of this I have no doubt.

Relying on youngsters to deliver us success is dangerous - they are very hit and miss, and clubs can get in the habit of always looking to the future, rather than winning in the present. We need to mix our youth policy with savy recruitment - marquee signings, solid first-graders, and depth signings.

Saying we do not need to recruit because we have X, Y and Z in NYC / NSW cup, is ludicrous. The majority of these players will never cut it in first grade.

 

[guyofthetiger]

Definitely looked more a case of age than ego.

They seemed rushed/panicked.

They'll get better.

Sure they've played 40-50 games, but in a largely reserve grade squad.

That's surely not going to help the pace of improvement.

 

[Love_the_WestsTigers]

Forwards were making no ground today
We get Penalties and how far does Einstein kick it to find touch ?
Barely 10 meters

At this rate I rather have benji back - Seriously

 

[cunno]

Brooks' defence is dreadful, he is not on his own but he has to take responsibility for having a go himself and for that matter what sort of defence coaching is he getting? Tonight's stats show Moses isn't much better but in tonight's games Brooks was far more noticeable to me. Having said that, the centre with Brooks was ordinary as well.