Calls for relocation hit embattled club

[Demps]

I wonder if anyone actually looks at the participation numbers when quoting that Western Sydney is a huge growth area.

From this article: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/is-rugby-league-dying-the-never-before-released-numbers-that-have-nrl-powerbrokers-concerned-20210519-p57tah.html

*Western Suburbs, in south-west Sydney, with a booming population growth, has experienced an 18 per cent decline. It’s important to note, however, that final 2021 figures are forecast to be boosted by the end of the season.*


Frankly, the growth out west is predominantly immigration growth. You have to ask yourself how many Chinese, Vietnamese, Iraqis, Indians or Filipinos are signing up to play Rugby League in the South-West.

If you read the NSW demographics, you'll find there are very few pacific islanders compared to the above. Certainly not enough to justify relocation.

I don't think we should necessarily correlate real estate growth with rugby league participation.

Payne Haas is Filipino

Let's tell the full story. Father was Swiss-Filipino. Mother is Samoan. So yeah...25% Filipino.

The NRL isn't exactly brimming with Filipino talent.

Correct.

Kevin Gordon...
Shane Gray (Titans, failed drug test)

Shibasaki.. we had a thread on it some years ago.

https://weststigersforum.com/topic/28974/asians-of-the-nrl/29


I honestly thought Haas was half but yeah, thanks for the information

Are you trying to say South West Sydney is a rugby league growth area because of the high number of Asians out that way?

Nah, I'm not saying anything.

Maybe we can unearth the next Haas though.

Why not just setup a COE in Manila?

Kamustaaaa brother

 

[the_third]

I wonder if anyone actually looks at the participation numbers when quoting that Western Sydney is a huge growth area.

From this article: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/is-rugby-league-dying-the-never-before-released-numbers-that-have-nrl-powerbrokers-concerned-20210519-p57tah.html

*Western Suburbs, in south-west Sydney, with a booming population growth, has experienced an 18 per cent decline. It’s important to note, however, that final 2021 figures are forecast to be boosted by the end of the season.*


Frankly, the growth out west is predominantly immigration growth. You have to ask yourself how many Chinese, Vietnamese, Iraqis, Indians or Filipinos are signing up to play Rugby League in the South-West.

If you read the NSW demographics, you'll find there are very few pacific islanders compared to the above. Certainly not enough to justify relocation.

I don't think we should necessarily correlate real estate growth with rugby league participation.

Payne Haas is Filipino


I've only ever met one huge Filipino, but he was an absolutely massive individual. Runs a tricycle taxi district in Manila.

Yeah, I know a bunch.
all gym lads but none are really massive.
Very low fat and shredded but short.

Not Bolo Yeung types.

ha indeed. This guy is about 6 foot 6 not shredded anymore. Literally did a double take when I met him

 

[Go_You_Good_Things]

I wonder if anyone actually looks at the participation numbers when quoting that Western Sydney is a huge growth area.

From this article: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/is-rugby-league-dying-the-never-before-released-numbers-that-have-nrl-powerbrokers-concerned-20210519-p57tah.html

*Western Suburbs, in south-west Sydney, with a booming population growth, has experienced an 18 per cent decline. It’s important to note, however, that final 2021 figures are forecast to be boosted by the end of the season.*


Frankly, the growth out west is predominantly immigration growth. You have to ask yourself how many Chinese, Vietnamese, Iraqis, Indians or Filipinos are signing up to play Rugby League in the South-West.

If you read the NSW demographics, you'll find there are very few pacific islanders compared to the above. Certainly not enough to justify relocation.

I don't think we should necessarily correlate real estate growth with rugby league participation.

This, times 100.
Penrith's massive numbers are hand in hand with the fact that, as a generalisation, those numbers are from demographics that play rugby league happily. The growth demo of Ashfield, on the whole, go to violin or tutor on Saturday mornings.
Very well qualified, @weststigers

 

[The_Patriot]

I don't see the big deal. Campbelltown is a 45 minute drive from Concord. As I understand it there will be an academy in Campbelltown.

I'm sure if the CoE was built in Campbelltown there will be people saying we're abandoning Leichardt or schools like Holy Cross College.

Can't keep everyone happy.

100 % right.

There is no issue at all with the COE at Concord and the academy at Campbelltown.

Or the COE at Concord and all games played at Campbelltown.

The distance is a non issue and actually works more in our favour than against it.

 

[Rugba]

These bits and pieces from media pundits are near pointless.

For starters, everyone has an opinion and none of the pundits in the press actually know what's really going on at Tigers. Gould can say whatever he likes; he's not privy to the real story. Paul Gallen even less so, having ZERO experience as an administrator or coach.

They all have a TV show now, so they create content by raising opinions on the show, then the associated print outlets run stories the following day based on the opinions raised in the show. It's a constant rehash of opinion pieces.

And you can understand, because a feeding frenzy is typically interesting for your average NRL readers, plus the large WT fanbase, so they run through day after day of borderline recycled content. Even to the point this week that Fox Sports are actually cross-referencing opinions and speculation from the SMH, which normally they don't do (normally they stay within their own company).

What boggles the mind is that in the first week of finals, with some real key matchups; season-defining matchups like Storm-Manly, Rabbits-Panthers and Knights-Eels, Tigers are getting all the press.

It just speaks volumes about how big a story Tigers always are, for good or bad, when there are 8 teams leading into finals this weekend and Tigers dominate the back page.

Also quite obviously, all the other crap clubs around Tigers have brand new coaches, so it's really only the Tigers at the potential end of a coaching cycle, and therefore not much news about Todd Payten, Hook, Nathan Brown, Barrett, Walters, Fitzgibbon etc.

Also shows how poor the league media is that they can only talk about sensationalism rather than the actual game when we hit the pointy end of the season

 

[diedpretty]

I don't see the big deal. Campbelltown is a 45 minute drive from Concord. As I understand it there will be an academy in Campbelltown.

I'm sure if the CoE was built in Campbelltown there will be people saying we're abandoning Leichardt or schools like Holy Cross College.

Can't keep everyone happy.

I would of done it the other way round tbh but that’s just me.

Name one other club that trains in a location removed from their predominant junior base?
Warriors are exempted.

melbourne

 

[happy_tiger]

https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/more-sports/calls-for-relocation-hit-embattled-wests-tigers/ar-AAO9Kx0?ocid=ientp

How hard is it to copy paste the whole article..

Calls for relocation hit embattled Wests Tigers
Zachary Gates 1 day ago

Rugby league icons Phil Gould and Paul Gallen share the sensational belief that Wests Tigers are in desperate need of relocating from Concord to Campbelltown, following another dreadful season.

The comments of Gould and Gallen follow Wests' 38-0 pummeling at the hands of wooden-spooners Canterbury on Sunday, which brought to close a 10th season in succession without finals football.

As Nine's 100% Footy panel dissected the Tigers mess, Gallen asked Gould if the embattled club, which formed in a merge between Western Suburbs Magpies and the Balmain Tigers ahead of the 2000 season, should relocate from Concord to Campbelltown.

The reasoning behind Gallen's question was the stronger junior rugby league system in Sydney's south-west than in the inner-west area of the city.

a group of people posing for the camera: Wests Tigers players cutting dejected figures.© Getty Wests Tigers players cutting dejected figures.
"I look at what you did at Penrith (as general manager of football) – and now Penrith are flying at the moment, obviously," Gallen said to Gould.

"But you had that great junior nursery out there to build from and you say it all the time that you've got to build from within.

"They've got Campbelltown out there, nothing going on out there, a huge junior nursery out there.

"Would (the Tigers) be better moving to Campbelltown? Building a great facility out there so kids out there in Campbelltown have something to strive for, rather than being at Concord? How much junior footy is played at Concord?"

Gould then explained that while the high-flying Panthers had bolstered their squad with several players from outside their junior system, at the core of Penrith's success is their organic talent.

Gould, who's now working as the Bulldogs' general manager of football, said the Tigers must follow the Panthers' blueprint in their bid to emerge from their decade-long woes.

a group of football players posing for a picture: Wests Tigers players lament conceding a try.© Getty Wests Tigers players lament conceding a try.
The Mole: Panthers superstar threatens NRL rival's mantle

"I don't understand the base at Concord ... for the future of Wests Tigers," Gould said.

"And we talk about what happened at the Panthers ... and the academy and the junior league, the big junior league. At the Panthers, we had to recruit from outside the junior league. All the answers weren't in the junior league. We gave every junior player the opportunity to play for the Panthers and we developed them through.

"But Isaah Yeo and James Fisher-Harris and Matt Burton and ... Charlie Staines – they all came from outside. Corey Harawira-Naera and these players. They all came from New Zealand or NSW country when we expanded out into there.

"But (the Panthers) got the junior league right. Every kid that was in the junior league they got and they kept and they held and they're still playing there.

"And Wests Tigers haven't even done that. That's where they need to get to – and the biggest chance for (that) is south-west Sydney: out there in that Campbelltown group-six area, which is growing unbelievably, all the way from Campbelltown across to Penrith and out where the new airport is going to be and back into Liverpool ... The area is massive and no one is looking after it."

Gives you something to do .....

 

[tig_prmz]

Hey Phil, Bankstown is closer to the newer areas than Concord.

 

[Needaname]

I don't see the big deal. Campbelltown is a 45 minute drive from Concord. As I understand it there will be an academy in Campbelltown.

I'm sure if the CoE was built in Campbelltown there will be people saying we're abandoning Leichardt or schools like Holy Cross College.

Can't keep everyone happy.

I would of done it the other way round tbh but that’s just me.

Name one other club that trains in a location removed from their predominant junior base?
Warriors are exempted.

melbourne

Sure then relocate them to the SunShine coast then.
Melbourne wasn’t born in a rugby league town.

My point is you are trying to embrace the South West as your own? Hate the idea of Souths or Bulldogs coming in and taking up roots there. How do the community feel about it if the players or executives of the team of the town, the one that is intrinsically linked to it only engage with them infrequently. What do the juniors look up to? Who do they play for? I understand it’s difficult for a joint venture to settle on a clear picture but for me it’s a junior academy in the inner west, offices in the inner west if the smug executives want to remain part of an affluent area but the football operations must be in the heart of its community.
Just my take.

 

[TigerWest]

I wonder if he is wanting us to give up the Balmain areas so the Dogs can walk in and take over?

take over what?

The Balmain / Leichhardt area? He is not stirring this up for our benefit?

 

[Don Kershane]

"sensational belief" ---Thanks Jimmy Olsen -Junior cub reporter.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Why these "fans" that post stuff like this don't relocate themselves to another club like Souths, Parra or Manly?:angry:

 

[TigerTownSFS]

I don't see the big deal. Campbelltown is a 45 minute drive from Concord. As I understand it there will be an academy in Campbelltown.

I'm sure if the CoE was built in Campbelltown there will be people saying we're abandoning Leichardt or schools like Holy Cross College.

Can't keep everyone happy.

I would of done it the other way round tbh but that’s just me.

Name one other club that trains in a location removed from their predominant junior base?
Warriors are exempted.

melbourne

Sure then relocate them to the SunShine coast then.
Melbourne wasn’t born in a rugby league town.

My point is you are trying to embrace the South West as your own? Hate the idea of Souths or Bulldogs coming in and taking up roots there. How do the community feel about it if the players or executives of the team of the town, the one that is intrinsically linked to it only engage with them infrequently. What do the juniors look up to? Who do they play for? I understand it’s difficult for a joint venture to settle on a clear picture but for me it’s a junior academy in the inner west, offices in the inner west if the smug executives want to remain part of an affluent area but the football operations must be in the heart of its community.
Just my take.

Do you think if we played 90% of our home games at Campbelltown and was heavily present in the junior development (academy etc) that people would notice that the senior team trains at concord? My guess is that it wouldn’t get noticed and the people in the area would see their kids getting supported by Wests Tigers and then go to the local stadium on the weekend and cheer on the NRL team and it would be relevant to them.

 

[Needaname]

I don't see the big deal. Campbelltown is a 45 minute drive from Concord. As I understand it there will be an academy in Campbelltown.

I'm sure if the CoE was built in Campbelltown there will be people saying we're abandoning Leichardt or schools like Holy Cross College.

Can't keep everyone happy.

I would of done it the other way round tbh but that’s just me.

Name one other club that trains in a location removed from their predominant junior base?
Warriors are exempted.

melbourne

Sure then relocate them to the SunShine coast then.
Melbourne wasn’t born in a rugby league town.

My point is you are trying to embrace the South West as your own? Hate the idea of Souths or Bulldogs coming in and taking up roots there. How do the community feel about it if the players or executives of the team of the town, the one that is intrinsically linked to it only engage with them infrequently. What do the juniors look up to? Who do they play for? I understand it’s difficult for a joint venture to settle on a clear picture but for me it’s a junior academy in the inner west, offices in the inner west if the smug executives want to remain part of an affluent area but the football operations must be in the heart of its community.
Just my take.

Do you think if we played 90% of our home games at Campbelltown and was heavily present in the junior development (academy etc) that people would notice that the senior team trains at concord? My guess is that it wouldn’t get noticed and the people in the area would see their kids getting supported by Wests Tigers and then go to the local stadium on the weekend and cheer on the NRL team and it would be relevant to them.

Do we play 90% of our games at Campbelltown?

My answer to your question is if you were to play 90% of your games at Campbelltown and had a junior academy etc in the area why would you want your senior team removed from that?
It’s like a fly in fly out team really.
If your not training in the area, your not spending the majority of your time in the area so how would the locals feel attached to the team that turns up once a week to put on a show?

 

[gallagher]

Geez some people are scared of media stories, and opinions. Stick to wests media releases, it's all sunshine and lollypops there.

 

[gallagher]

I wonder if anyone actually looks at the participation numbers when quoting that Western Sydney is a huge growth area.

From this article: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/is-rugby-league-dying-the-never-before-released-numbers-that-have-nrl-powerbrokers-concerned-20210519-p57tah.html

*Western Suburbs, in south-west Sydney, with a booming population growth, has experienced an 18 per cent decline. It’s important to note, however, that final 2021 figures are forecast to be boosted by the end of the season.*


Frankly, the growth out west is predominantly immigration growth. You have to ask yourself how many Chinese, Vietnamese, Iraqis, Indians or Filipinos are signing up to play Rugby League in the South-West.

If you read the NSW demographics, you'll find there are very few pacific islanders compared to the above. Certainly not enough to justify relocation.

I don't think we should necessarily correlate real estate growth with rugby league participation.

Payne Haas is Filipino

Let's tell the full story. Father was Swiss-Filipino. Mother is Samoan. So yeah...25% Filipino.

The NRL isn't exactly brimming with Filipino talent.

Correct.

Kevin Gordon...
Shane Gray (Titans, failed drug test)

Shibasaki.. we had a thread on it some years ago.

https://weststigersforum.com/topic/28974/asians-of-the-nrl/29


I honestly thought Haas was half but yeah, thanks for the information

Are you trying to say South West Sydney is a rugby league growth area because of the high number of Asians out that way?

Nah, I'm not saying anything.

Maybe we can unearth the next Haas though.

Why not just setup a COE in Manila?

The perfect place for us to fold.

 

[TigerWest]

Geez some people are scared of media stories, and opinions. Stick to wests media releases, it's all sunshine and lollypops there.

Isn’t that because most of the media stuff turns out to be false?

 

[gallagher]

scared

Why would you read it if that's your belief?

 

[Tiger Woods]

Relocate to Cumberland

 

[TigerWest]

scared

Why would you read it if that's your belief?

Not sure what you are meaning with that question?

I do infact generally only rely on the WT site to get information, I have given up on the others.