Chammas and Ayoub

[iofthetigers]

Once again, not taking shots at Hartigan...just keen to hear of all the 'great' moves he has made so far, as I can't really see anything of note.

Paseka has a few years on Stefano - a bit early to be making that comparison

Did Paseka go to Manly because of Lambkin? I thought that was a theory on here when it happened

 

[jirskyr]

I think it is probably very obvious at this point that the club is fairly divided and one side is feeding Chammas, who has really turned on us lately ( and with good reason).

I thought this comment from Chammas tonight was very telling:

**The only two players they’ve signed for next year, Super League duo Jackson Hastings and Oliver Gildart, are both managed by the same player agent who has become increasingly attached to Maguire, as some at the club have noticed.**

Who is their agent you might be asking? Well, it is none other than Sam Ayoub...

Now we have our increasingly unsuccessful coach aligned to him...and our only 2022 recruits coming from his stable.

There are obviously deep issues at the club, but Mcguire and Ayoub seems an unlikely combo to back if you are hoping we turn things around.

Our recruitment doesn't work like that, Hartigan has the reins?
How many times does that have to be stated?

Hartigan has the reins? You really believe that?

Case one: Hartigan did not want Nofaluma long term. The chairman stepped in and overruled him. Nofa 4.5 years.

Case two: Hartigan wants a ball player at 13 as he feels the pack needs balance. Hartigan targets TPJ specifically. Hartigan says we need second phase play. What happens? The club won't pay and now are after Finucane due to media pressure...a non ball playing lock.

Hartigan has landed what exactly? The two wigan blokes are through the Madge-Lam-Ayoub line.

Hartigan has landed.....? A couple of Penrith guys forced out and Stefano for 400 grand whilst unproven (the kid we let go to Manly Taniela Paseka is now killing it and playing much better for half the salary...)

That is pretty much it. Not a single soul ever said "Hartigan built the roosters" when he was there...yet somehow people here are acting like he is a recruitment guru.

I am not saying he is bad, but there is nothing to say he is as good as people on here hope / think.

You know for a fact this is what Hartigan wants, what Hartigan thinks?

If the pom, CCTW, and most journos are correct...

Name one big recruit Hartigan has landed?

I am not here to knock him, but let's be fair. Name one recruit?

Stefano we paid 400 for potential...still not sure if that will work out. Paseka looks a lot better and we could have kept him for half.

Blore I really like...but we basically offered Blore NRL wages whilst out a year and no prospect at Penrith. Not exactly a coup.

Laurie...yes. A good signing.

Dev players? None look likely at all at this stage.

Maybe I am missing something? How many of you here honestly believe he was the Roosters recruitment guru though? Politis and Robbo do all the main recruiting...everyone knows that.

You said "Hartigan wants", "Hartigan did not want" and I ask how do you know this.

Tamou was a big-name signing, but no Hartigan hasn't jagged an elite signature since joining Tigers. Almost got Latrell. But I don't know if I could use that as a measuring stick against a recruiter - how many elite players he can get to one of the least successful clubs?

re Paseka - he joined Manly in season 2017, debuted 2018. If you reckon he's playing alright now, that's fine, give Stefano 4 seasons in FG as well and judge him at that same level of experience. Has Paseka been called into the Origin or Kiwi squad recently?

Also Hartigan has been at the club exactly 2 years - since July 2019. That means he's basically had two recruitment drives in his tenure - for season 2020 and season 2021. And that first year he had been with the club 3 months before we hit offseason. Not really much to go off, but certainly the junior recruitment is doing very well.

 

[jirskyr]

Stefano is 800 over three (ref chaamas / smh)

Final year is 400, not all three.

Again, he is probably Hartigan's biggest coup so far. Whether offering 800 to a bloke on Parra's dev deal (60 grand) is a 'coup' is debatable though.

Whether he lives up to the hype is yet to be seen. Paseka has the same size, and we let him go cheaply. He looks better for Manly than Stefano does for us (so far)...

Once again, not taking shots at Hartigan...just keen to hear of all the 'great' moves he has made so far, as I can't really see anything of note.

Salaries reported in the paper aren't verified. You can't use them as the basis for factual argument.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

People forget what Hartigan has had to do.
He has had to remove the salary crap rubbish whilst try and build from within.

At the Roosters he did that brilliantly, his focus on young talent into pathways was brilliant.

We might want a superstar but reality is we won’t be able to buy one as we just won’t pay overs anymore hence why Sheens, Kimmorley etc are coming onboard. We are going to hit the youth market hard. It may take 5yrs or so but it’s clear Hartigan and the club are on the same page with this.

 

[TheDaBoss]

I think it is probably very obvious at this point that the club is fairly divided and one side is feeding Chammas, who has really turned on us lately ( and with good reason).

I thought this comment from Chammas tonight was very telling:

**The only two players they’ve signed for next year, Super League duo Jackson Hastings and Oliver Gildart, are both managed by the same player agent who has become increasingly attached to Maguire, as some at the club have noticed.**

Who is their agent you might be asking? Well, it is none other than Sam Ayoub...

Now we have our increasingly unsuccessful coach aligned to him...and our only 2022 recruits coming from his stable.

There are obviously deep issues at the club, but Mcguire and Ayoub seems an unlikely combo to back if you are hoping we turn things around.

Our recruitment doesn't work like that, Hartigan has the reins?
How many times does that have to be stated?

Hartigan has the reins? You really believe that?

Case one: Hartigan did not want Nofaluma long term. The chairman stepped in and overruled him. Nofa 4.5 years.

Case two: Hartigan wants a ball player at 13 as he feels the pack needs balance. Hartigan targets TPJ specifically. Hartigan says we need second phase play. What happens? The club won't pay and now are after Finucane due to media pressure...a non ball playing lock.

Hartigan has landed what exactly? The two wigan blokes are through the Madge-Lam-Ayoub line.

Hartigan has landed.....? A couple of Penrith guys forced out and Stefano for 400 grand whilst unproven (the kid we let go to Manly Taniela Paseka is now killing it and playing much better for half the salary...)

That is pretty much it. Not a single soul ever said "Hartigan built the roosters" when he was there...yet somehow people here are acting like he is a recruitment guru.

I am not saying he is bad, but there is nothing to say he is as good as people on here hope / think.

You know for a fact this is what Hartigan wants, what Hartigan thinks?

If the pom, CCTW, and most journos are correct...

Name one big recruit Hartigan has landed?

I am not here to knock him, but let's be fair. Name one recruit?

Stefano we paid 400 for potential...still not sure if that will work out. Paseka looks a lot better and we could have kept him for half.

Blore I really like...but we basically offered Blore NRL wages whilst out a year and no prospect at Penrith. Not exactly a coup.

Laurie...yes. A good signing.

Dev players? None look likely at all at this stage.

Maybe I am missing something? How many of you here honestly believe he was the Roosters recruitment guru though? Politis and Robbo do all the main recruiting...everyone knows that.

You said "Hartigan wants", "Hartigan did not want" and I ask how do you know this.

Tamou was a big-name signing, but no Hartigan hasn't jagged an elite signature since joining Tigers. Almost got Latrell. But I don't know if I could use that as a measuring stick against a recruiter - how many elite players he can get to one of the least successful clubs?

re Paseka - he joined Manly in season 2017, debuted 2018. If you reckon he's playing alright now, that's fine, give Stefano 4 seasons in FG as well and judge him at that same level of experience. Has Paseka been called into the Origin or Kiwi squad recently?

Also Hartigan has been at the club exactly 2 years - since July 2019. That means he's basically had two recruitment drives in his tenure - for season 2020 and season 2021. And that first year he had been with the club 3 months before we hit offseason. Not really much to go off, but certainly the junior recruitment is doing very well.

In hartigan defence... b4 we got him would y even dreamed of that we would be linked to players like trell, carr, arrow etc

 

[avocadoontoast]

I think it is probably very obvious at this point that the club is fairly divided and one side is feeding Chammas, who has really turned on us lately ( and with good reason).

I thought this comment from Chammas tonight was very telling:

**The only two players they’ve signed for next year, Super League duo Jackson Hastings and Oliver Gildart, are both managed by the same player agent who has become increasingly attached to Maguire, as some at the club have noticed.**

Who is their agent you might be asking? Well, it is none other than Sam Ayoub...

Now we have our increasingly unsuccessful coach aligned to him...and our only 2022 recruits coming from his stable.

There are obviously deep issues at the club, but Mcguire and Ayoub seems an unlikely combo to back if you are hoping we turn things around.

Our recruitment doesn't work like that, Hartigan has the reins?
How many times does that have to be stated?

Hartigan has the reins? You really believe that?

Case one: Hartigan did not want Nofaluma long term. The chairman stepped in and overruled him. Nofa 4.5 years.

Case two: Hartigan wants a ball player at 13 as he feels the pack needs balance. Hartigan targets TPJ specifically. Hartigan says we need second phase play. What happens? The club won't pay and now are after Finucane due to media pressure...a non ball playing lock.

Hartigan has landed what exactly? The two wigan blokes are through the Madge-Lam-Ayoub line.

Hartigan has landed.....? A couple of Penrith guys forced out and Stefano for 400 grand whilst unproven (the kid we let go to Manly Taniela Paseka is now killing it and playing much better for half the salary...)

That is pretty much it. Not a single soul ever said "Hartigan built the roosters" when he was there...yet somehow people here are acting like he is a recruitment guru.

I am not saying he is bad, but there is nothing to say he is as good as people on here hope / think.

You know for a fact this is what Hartigan wants, what Hartigan thinks?

If the pom, CCTW, and most journos are correct...

Name one big recruit Hartigan has landed?

I am not here to knock him, but let's be fair. Name one recruit?

Stefano we paid 400 for potential...still not sure if that will work out. Paseka looks a lot better and we could have kept him for half.

Blore I really like...but we basically offered Blore NRL wages whilst out a year and no prospect at Penrith. Not exactly a coup.

Laurie...yes. A good signing.

Dev players? None look likely at all at this stage.

Maybe I am missing something? How many of you here honestly believe he was the Roosters recruitment guru though? Politis and Robbo do all the main recruiting...everyone knows that.

You said "Hartigan wants", "Hartigan did not want" and I ask how do you know this.

Tamou was a big-name signing, but no Hartigan hasn't jagged an elite signature since joining Tigers. Almost got Latrell. But I don't know if I could use that as a measuring stick against a recruiter - how many elite players he can get to one of the least successful clubs?

re Paseka - he joined Manly in season 2017, debuted 2018. If you reckon he's playing alright now, that's fine, give Stefano 4 seasons in FG as well and judge him at that same level of experience. Has Paseka been called into the Origin or Kiwi squad recently?

Also Hartigan has been at the club exactly 2 years - since July 2019. That means he's basically had two recruitment drives in his tenure - for season 2020 and season 2021. And that first year he had been with the club 3 months before we hit offseason. Not really much to go off, but certainly the junior recruitment is doing very well.

In hartigan defence... b4 we got him would y even dreamed of that we would be linked to players like trell, carr, arrow etc

I’m a big fan of Hartigan but no point being linked to players if we don’t land them

 

[twentyforty]

I think it is probably very obvious at this point that the club is fairly divided and one side is feeding Chammas, who has really turned on us lately ( and with good reason).

I thought this comment from Chammas tonight was very telling:

**The only two players they’ve signed for next year, Super League duo Jackson Hastings and Oliver Gildart, are both managed by the same player agent who has become increasingly attached to Maguire, as some at the club have noticed.**

Who is their agent you might be asking? Well, it is none other than Sam Ayoub...

Now we have our increasingly unsuccessful coach aligned to him...and our only 2022 recruits coming from his stable.

There are obviously deep issues at the club, but Mcguire and Ayoub seems an unlikely combo to back if you are hoping we turn things around.

Our recruitment doesn't work like that, Hartigan has the reins?
How many times does that have to be stated?

Hartigan has the reins? You really believe that?

Case one: Hartigan did not want Nofaluma long term. The chairman stepped in and overruled him. Nofa 4.5 years.

Case two: Hartigan wants a ball player at 13 as he feels the pack needs balance. Hartigan targets TPJ specifically. Hartigan says we need second phase play. What happens? The club won't pay and now are after Finucane due to media pressure...a non ball playing lock.

Hartigan has landed what exactly? The two wigan blokes are through the Madge-Lam-Ayoub line.

Hartigan has landed.....? A couple of Penrith guys forced out and Stefano for 400 grand whilst unproven (the kid we let go to Manly Taniela Paseka is now killing it and playing much better for half the salary...)

That is pretty much it. Not a single soul ever said "Hartigan built the roosters" when he was there...yet somehow people here are acting like he is a recruitment guru.

I am not saying he is bad, but there is nothing to say he is as good as people on here hope / think.

You know for a fact this is what Hartigan wants, what Hartigan thinks?

If the pom, CCTW, and most journos are correct...

Name one big recruit Hartigan has landed?

I am not here to knock him, but let's be fair. Name one recruit?

Stefano we paid 400 for potential...still not sure if that will work out. Paseka looks a lot better and we could have kept him for half.

Blore I really like...but we basically offered Blore NRL wages whilst out a year and no prospect at Penrith. Not exactly a coup.

Laurie...yes. A good signing.

Dev players? None look likely at all at this stage.

Maybe I am missing something? How many of you here honestly believe he was the Roosters recruitment guru though? Politis and Robbo do all the main recruiting...everyone knows that.

You said "Hartigan wants", "Hartigan did not want" and I ask how do you know this.

Tamou was a big-name signing, but no Hartigan hasn't jagged an elite signature since joining Tigers. Almost got Latrell. But I don't know if I could use that as a measuring stick against a recruiter - how many elite players he can get to one of the least successful clubs?

re Paseka - he joined Manly in season 2017, debuted 2018. If you reckon he's playing alright now, that's fine, give Stefano 4 seasons in FG as well and judge him at that same level of experience. Has Paseka been called into the Origin or Kiwi squad recently?

Also Hartigan has been at the club exactly 2 years - since July 2019. That means he's basically had two recruitment drives in his tenure - for season 2020 and season 2021. And that first year he had been with the club 3 months before we hit offseason. Not really much to go off, but certainly the junior recruitment is doing very well.

In hartigan defence... b4 we got him would y even dreamed of that we would be linked to players like trell, carr, arrow etc

I’m a big fan of Hartigan but no point being linked to players if we don’t land them

It has to start with a link.

 

[Needaname]

Stefano is 800 over three (ref chaamas / smh)

Final year is 400, not all three.

Again, he is probably Hartigan's biggest coup so far. Whether offering 800 to a bloke on Parra's dev deal (60 grand) is a 'coup' is debatable though.

Whether he lives up to the hype is yet to be seen. Paseka has the same size, and we let him go cheaply. He looks better for Manly than Stefano does for us (so far)...

Once again, not taking shots at Hartigan...just keen to hear of all the 'great' moves he has made so far, as I can't really see anything of note.

Word was Paseka. Good mates with Suli. When Suli got the big contract and started getting time in first grade he demanded he got promoted to top 30. We said not yet so he looked for someone who did.
His been in Manlys top 30 since he moved there.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I think it is probably very obvious at this point that the club is fairly divided and one side is feeding Chammas, who has really turned on us lately ( and with good reason).

I thought this comment from Chammas tonight was very telling:

**The only two players they’ve signed for next year, Super League duo Jackson Hastings and Oliver Gildart, are both managed by the same player agent who has become increasingly attached to Maguire, as some at the club have noticed.**

Who is their agent you might be asking? Well, it is none other than Sam Ayoub...

Now we have our increasingly unsuccessful coach aligned to him...and our only 2022 recruits coming from his stable.

There are obviously deep issues at the club, but Mcguire and Ayoub seems an unlikely combo to back if you are hoping we turn things around.

Our recruitment doesn't work like that, Hartigan has the reins?
How many times does that have to be stated?

Hartigan has the reins? You really believe that?

Case one: Hartigan did not want Nofaluma long term. The chairman stepped in and overruled him. Nofa 4.5 years.

Case two: Hartigan wants a ball player at 13 as he feels the pack needs balance. Hartigan targets TPJ specifically. Hartigan says we need second phase play. What happens? The club won't pay and now are after Finucane due to media pressure...a non ball playing lock.

Hartigan has landed what exactly? The two wigan blokes are through the Madge-Lam-Ayoub line.

Hartigan has landed.....? A couple of Penrith guys forced out and Stefano for 400 grand whilst unproven (the kid we let go to Manly Taniela Paseka is now killing it and playing much better for half the salary...)

That is pretty much it. Not a single soul ever said "Hartigan built the roosters" when he was there...yet somehow people here are acting like he is a recruitment guru.

I am not saying he is bad, but there is nothing to say he is as good as people on here hope / think.

You know for a fact this is what Hartigan wants, what Hartigan thinks?

If the pom, CCTW, and most journos are correct...

Name one big recruit Hartigan has landed?

I am not here to knock him, but let's be fair. Name one recruit?

Stefano we paid 400 for potential...still not sure if that will work out. Paseka looks a lot better and we could have kept him for half.

Blore I really like...but we basically offered Blore NRL wages whilst out a year and no prospect at Penrith. Not exactly a coup.

Laurie...yes. A good signing.

Dev players? None look likely at all at this stage.

Maybe I am missing something? How many of you here honestly believe he was the Roosters recruitment guru though? Politis and Robbo do all the main recruiting...everyone knows that.

You said "Hartigan wants", "Hartigan did not want" and I ask how do you know this.

Tamou was a big-name signing, but no Hartigan hasn't jagged an elite signature since joining Tigers. Almost got Latrell. But I don't know if I could use that as a measuring stick against a recruiter - how many elite players he can get to one of the least successful clubs?

re Paseka - he joined Manly in season 2017, debuted 2018. If you reckon he's playing alright now, that's fine, give Stefano 4 seasons in FG as well and judge him at that same level of experience. Has Paseka been called into the Origin or Kiwi squad recently?

Also Hartigan has been at the club exactly 2 years - since July 2019. That means he's basically had two recruitment drives in his tenure - for season 2020 and season 2021. And that first year he had been with the club 3 months before we hit offseason. Not really much to go off, but certainly the junior recruitment is doing very well.

Is the club able to provide names of new young players signed or, members of our Flegg signed who have re-signed or who will be re-signed. In the current situation, good news is always welcome.

 

[happy_tiger]

I believe journalists inflate things to support their arguments..

Kent mentioned last night that player managers are overselling lesser quality players

If we are trusting Ayoub for whatever reason ...insanity

I guess the question is ....are most players being overpaid or underpaid .....I'd say overpaid

Time for the points system Watto suggested years ago ...teams can spend 50 points ....a player rated a 4 is a 4 ...no matter if you overpay him or underpay him ......

I don't blame the sides that are so good at attracting players at or less than market value ......but we need everyone to get back to square 1 and then work from there ......we will screw it up again no doubt .....but then the NRL can do what they want with are useless asses after that ....fair ???

 

[TYGA]

Has zero todo with player managers. Comes down to lack of development. If you build a squad inter style that’s a finals squad you can then recruit to fill gaps. When a player gets huge money you have a cheaper younger replacement. It’s not rocket science the worst NFL teams always dig the big name players.

 

[jrtiger]

I think it is probably very obvious at this point that the club is fairly divided and one side is feeding Chammas, who has really turned on us lately ( and with good reason).

I thought this comment from Chammas tonight was very telling:

**The only two players they’ve signed for next year, Super League duo Jackson Hastings and Oliver Gildart, are both managed by the same player agent who has become increasingly attached to Maguire, as some at the club have noticed.**

Who is their agent you might be asking? Well, it is none other than Sam Ayoub...

Now we have our increasingly unsuccessful coach aligned to him...and our only 2022 recruits coming from his stable.

There are obviously deep issues at the club, but Mcguire and Ayoub seems an unlikely combo to back if you are hoping we turn things around.

Our recruitment doesn't work like that, Hartigan has the reins?
How many times does that have to be stated?

Hartigan has the reins? You really believe that?

Case one: Hartigan did not want Nofaluma long term. The chairman stepped in and overruled him. Nofa 4.5 years.

Case two: Hartigan wants a ball player at 13 as he feels the pack needs balance. Hartigan targets TPJ specifically. Hartigan says we need second phase play. What happens? The club won't pay and now are after Finucane due to media pressure...a non ball playing lock.

Hartigan has landed what exactly? The two wigan blokes are through the Madge-Lam-Ayoub line.

Hartigan has landed.....? A couple of Penrith guys forced out and Stefano for 400 grand whilst unproven (the kid we let go to Manly Taniela Paseka is now killing it and playing much better for half the salary...)

That is pretty much it. Not a single soul ever said "Hartigan built the roosters" when he was there...yet somehow people here are acting like he is a recruitment guru.

I am not saying he is bad, but there is nothing to say he is as good as people on here hope / think.

You know for a fact this is what Hartigan wants, what Hartigan thinks?

If the pom, CCTW, and most journos are correct...

Name one big recruit Hartigan has landed?

I am not here to knock him, but let's be fair. Name one recruit?

Stefano we paid 400 for potential...still not sure if that will work out. Paseka looks a lot better and we could have kept him for half.

Blore I really like...but we basically offered Blore NRL wages whilst out a year and no prospect at Penrith. Not exactly a coup.

Laurie...yes. A good signing.

Dev players? None look likely at all at this stage.

Maybe I am missing something? How many of you here honestly believe he was the Roosters recruitment guru though? Politis and Robbo do all the main recruiting...everyone knows that.

getting Ofahengaue for the amount Brisbane is chipping in I thought was a good buy. no one objected to James Tamou at $330k as that's basically a like for like swap for McQueen, same goes for James Roberts at $150k. Tuki Simpkins was a handy swap for Kane Bradley and shows far more promise, Maumalo on a subsidised wage is good business and Amone has proven a decent squad player on what I am assuming is very little money. we identified Luciano Leilua as a swap for Matterson, he stripped 6kgs off his frame and has developed into our most dangerous forward, excluding the last few weeks.

Daine Laurie, Jake Simpkin, Shawn Blore, Adam Doueihi, Stefano Utoikamanu and Kelma Tuilagi are our future. all signed under Adam Hartigan. all the turnover in the junior grades is his work as well. we've got money to spend for next year, no doubt he's working on filling out the squad. I'd be surprised if Hastings is on anything more than $450k, same for Gildart.

 

[Tiger5150]

Stefano is 800 over three (ref chaamas / smh)

Final year is 400, not all three.

Again, he is probably Hartigan's biggest coup so far. Whether offering 800 to a bloke on Parra's dev deal (60 grand) is a 'coup' is debatable though.

Whether he lives up to the hype is yet to be seen. Paseka has the same size, and we let him go cheaply. He looks better for Manly than Stefano does for us (so far)...

Once again, not taking shots at Hartigan...just keen to hear of all the 'great' moves he has made so far, as I can't really see anything of note.

Paseka has a few years on Stefano - a bit early to be making that comparison

Good point and Paseka has been complete rubbish up until this year.

 

[TigerWest]

I think it is probably very obvious at this point that the club is fairly divided and one side is feeding Chammas, who has really turned on us lately ( and with good reason).

I thought this comment from Chammas tonight was very telling:

**The only two players they’ve signed for next year, Super League duo Jackson Hastings and Oliver Gildart, are both managed by the same player agent who has become increasingly attached to Maguire, as some at the club have noticed.**

Who is their agent you might be asking? Well, it is none other than Sam Ayoub...

Now we have our increasingly unsuccessful coach aligned to him...and our only 2022 recruits coming from his stable.

There are obviously deep issues at the club, but Mcguire and Ayoub seems an unlikely combo to back if you are hoping we turn things around.

Our recruitment doesn't work like that, Hartigan has the reins?
How many times does that have to be stated?

Hartigan has the reins? You really believe that?

Case one: Hartigan did not want Nofaluma long term. The chairman stepped in and overruled him. Nofa 4.5 years.

Case two: Hartigan wants a ball player at 13 as he feels the pack needs balance. Hartigan targets TPJ specifically. Hartigan says we need second phase play. What happens? The club won't pay and now are after Finucane due to media pressure...a non ball playing lock.

Hartigan has landed what exactly? The two wigan blokes are through the Madge-Lam-Ayoub line.

Hartigan has landed.....? A couple of Penrith guys forced out and Stefano for 400 grand whilst unproven (the kid we let go to Manly Taniela Paseka is now killing it and playing much better for half the salary...)

That is pretty much it. Not a single soul ever said "Hartigan built the roosters" when he was there...yet somehow people here are acting like he is a recruitment guru.

I am not saying he is bad, but there is nothing to say he is as good as people on here hope / think.

You know for a fact this is what Hartigan wants, what Hartigan thinks?

If the pom, CCTW, and most journos are correct...

Name one big recruit Hartigan has landed?

I am not here to knock him, but let's be fair. Name one recruit?

Stefano we paid 400 for potential...still not sure if that will work out. Paseka looks a lot better and we could have kept him for half.

Blore I really like...but we basically offered Blore NRL wages whilst out a year and no prospect at Penrith. Not exactly a coup.

Laurie...yes. A good signing.

Dev players? None look likely at all at this stage.

Maybe I am missing something? How many of you here honestly believe he was the Roosters recruitment guru though? Politis and Robbo do all the main recruiting...everyone knows that.

You said "Hartigan wants", "Hartigan did not want" and I ask how do you know this.

Tamou was a big-name signing, but no Hartigan hasn't jagged an elite signature since joining Tigers. Almost got Latrell. But I don't know if I could use that as a measuring stick against a recruiter - how many elite players he can get to one of the least successful clubs?

re Paseka - he joined Manly in season 2017, debuted 2018. If you reckon he's playing alright now, that's fine, give Stefano 4 seasons in FG as well and judge him at that same level of experience. Has Paseka been called into the Origin or Kiwi squad recently?

Also Hartigan has been at the club exactly 2 years - since July 2019. That means he's basically had two recruitment drives in his tenure - for season 2020 and season 2021. And that first year he had been with the club 3 months before we hit offseason. Not really much to go off, but certainly the junior recruitment is doing very well.

Is the club able to provide names of new young players signed or, members of our Flegg signed who have re-signed or who will be re-signed. In the current situation, good news is always welcome.

Isn't that something you should ask the club direct, if it's of interest to you?

I have no idea either, but I believe Hartigan would be on top of things.

 

[jirskyr]

I think it is probably very obvious at this point that the club is fairly divided and one side is feeding Chammas, who has really turned on us lately ( and with good reason).

I thought this comment from Chammas tonight was very telling:

**The only two players they’ve signed for next year, Super League duo Jackson Hastings and Oliver Gildart, are both managed by the same player agent who has become increasingly attached to Maguire, as some at the club have noticed.**

Who is their agent you might be asking? Well, it is none other than Sam Ayoub...

Now we have our increasingly unsuccessful coach aligned to him...and our only 2022 recruits coming from his stable.

There are obviously deep issues at the club, but Mcguire and Ayoub seems an unlikely combo to back if you are hoping we turn things around.

Our recruitment doesn't work like that, Hartigan has the reins?
How many times does that have to be stated?

Hartigan has the reins? You really believe that?

Case one: Hartigan did not want Nofaluma long term. The chairman stepped in and overruled him. Nofa 4.5 years.

Case two: Hartigan wants a ball player at 13 as he feels the pack needs balance. Hartigan targets TPJ specifically. Hartigan says we need second phase play. What happens? The club won't pay and now are after Finucane due to media pressure...a non ball playing lock.

Hartigan has landed what exactly? The two wigan blokes are through the Madge-Lam-Ayoub line.

Hartigan has landed.....? A couple of Penrith guys forced out and Stefano for 400 grand whilst unproven (the kid we let go to Manly Taniela Paseka is now killing it and playing much better for half the salary...)

That is pretty much it. Not a single soul ever said "Hartigan built the roosters" when he was there...yet somehow people here are acting like he is a recruitment guru.

I am not saying he is bad, but there is nothing to say he is as good as people on here hope / think.

You know for a fact this is what Hartigan wants, what Hartigan thinks?

If the pom, CCTW, and most journos are correct...

Name one big recruit Hartigan has landed?

I am not here to knock him, but let's be fair. Name one recruit?

Stefano we paid 400 for potential...still not sure if that will work out. Paseka looks a lot better and we could have kept him for half.

Blore I really like...but we basically offered Blore NRL wages whilst out a year and no prospect at Penrith. Not exactly a coup.

Laurie...yes. A good signing.

Dev players? None look likely at all at this stage.

Maybe I am missing something? How many of you here honestly believe he was the Roosters recruitment guru though? Politis and Robbo do all the main recruiting...everyone knows that.

You said "Hartigan wants", "Hartigan did not want" and I ask how do you know this.

Tamou was a big-name signing, but no Hartigan hasn't jagged an elite signature since joining Tigers. Almost got Latrell. But I don't know if I could use that as a measuring stick against a recruiter - how many elite players he can get to one of the least successful clubs?

re Paseka - he joined Manly in season 2017, debuted 2018. If you reckon he's playing alright now, that's fine, give Stefano 4 seasons in FG as well and judge him at that same level of experience. Has Paseka been called into the Origin or Kiwi squad recently?

Also Hartigan has been at the club exactly 2 years - since July 2019. That means he's basically had two recruitment drives in his tenure - for season 2020 and season 2021. And that first year he had been with the club 3 months before we hit offseason. Not really much to go off, but certainly the junior recruitment is doing very well.

Is the club able to provide names of new young players signed or, members of our Flegg signed who have re-signed or who will be re-signed. In the current situation, good news is always welcome.

I don't know, it's a good idea.

 

[Sunset Highway]

I think it is probably very obvious at this point that the club is fairly divided and one side is feeding Chammas, who has really turned on us lately ( and with good reason).

I thought this comment from Chammas tonight was very telling:

**The only two players they’ve signed for next year, Super League duo Jackson Hastings and Oliver Gildart, are both managed by the same player agent who has become increasingly attached to Maguire, as some at the club have noticed.**

Who is their agent you might be asking? Well, it is none other than Sam Ayoub...

Now we have our increasingly unsuccessful coach aligned to him...and our only 2022 recruits coming from his stable.

There are obviously deep issues at the club, but Mcguire and Ayoub seems an unlikely combo to back if you are hoping we turn things around.

Our recruitment doesn't work like that, Hartigan has the reins?
How many times does that have to be stated?

Hartigan has the reins? You really believe that?

Case one: Hartigan did not want Nofaluma long term. The chairman stepped in and overruled him. Nofa 4.5 years.

Case two: Hartigan wants a ball player at 13 as he feels the pack needs balance. Hartigan targets TPJ specifically. Hartigan says we need second phase play. What happens? The club won't pay and now are after Finucane due to media pressure...a non ball playing lock.

Hartigan has landed what exactly? The two wigan blokes are through the Madge-Lam-Ayoub line.

Hartigan has landed.....? A couple of Penrith guys forced out and Stefano for 400 grand whilst unproven (the kid we let go to Manly Taniela Paseka is now killing it and playing much better for half the salary...)

That is pretty much it. Not a single soul ever said "Hartigan built the roosters" when he was there...yet somehow people here are acting like he is a recruitment guru.

I am not saying he is bad, but there is nothing to say he is as good as people on here hope / think.

You know for a fact this is what Hartigan wants, what Hartigan thinks?

If the pom, CCTW, and most journos are correct...

Name one big recruit Hartigan has landed?

I am not here to knock him, but let's be fair. Name one recruit?

Stefano we paid 400 for potential...still not sure if that will work out. Paseka looks a lot better and we could have kept him for half.

Blore I really like...but we basically offered Blore NRL wages whilst out a year and no prospect at Penrith. Not exactly a coup.

Laurie...yes. A good signing.

Dev players? None look likely at all at this stage.

Maybe I am missing something? How many of you here honestly believe he was the Roosters recruitment guru though? Politis and Robbo do all the main recruiting...everyone knows that.

You said "Hartigan wants", "Hartigan did not want" and I ask how do you know this.

Tamou was a big-name signing, but no Hartigan hasn't jagged an elite signature since joining Tigers. Almost got Latrell. But I don't know if I could use that as a measuring stick against a recruiter - how many elite players he can get to one of the least successful clubs?

re Paseka - he joined Manly in season 2017, debuted 2018. If you reckon he's playing alright now, that's fine, give Stefano 4 seasons in FG as well and judge him at that same level of experience. Has Paseka been called into the Origin or Kiwi squad recently?

Also Hartigan has been at the club exactly 2 years - since July 2019. That means he's basically had two recruitment drives in his tenure - for season 2020 and season 2021. And that first year he had been with the club 3 months before we hit offseason. Not really much to go off, but certainly the junior recruitment is doing very well.

In hartigan defence... b4 we got him would y even dreamed of that we would be linked to players like trell, carr, arrow etc

I’m a big fan of Hartigan but no point being linked to players if we don’t land them