Chris Lawrence

[bigsiro]

Brooks does throw him some dead set hospital balls.

However his hands have been an embarrassment since he got his hip injury.

He just looks like the football is a foreign object in his hands.

He struggles to play the ball properly without adjusting the ball in his hands.

It's embarrassing to watch.

Fully!

 

[happy_tiger]

Hang on Rowdy is a better second rower than just about every back rower in the comp according to the stats

We had this argument in the pre season

We should of signed him for life according to the stats , shouldn't we ??

He had a bad game no doubt, it probably wasn't helped by his confidence going down along with that ball on the kickoff. It's 3 games into the season though and while that's apparently early enough to knife a coach you should probably wait a bit longer before you completely write off Lawrence and start crowing about being "right".

Happy seems to use stats as it suits him…here they are meaningless yet when it comes to Aaron and metres after contact.. (a stat not recorded btw) they prove he is also useless..

My argument with Woods is too often he touches the ball in the red zone , doubt too many could argue with that

 

[Nelson]

Hang on Rowdy is a better second rower than just about every back rower in the comp according to the stats

We had this argument in the pre season

We should of signed him for life according to the stats , shouldn't we ??

He had a bad game no doubt, it probably wasn't helped by his confidence going down along with that ball on the kickoff. It's 3 games into the season though and while that's apparently early enough to knife a coach you should probably wait a bit longer before you completely write off Lawrence and start crowing about being "right".

Happy seems to use stats as it suits him…here they are meaningless yet when it comes to Aaron and metres after contact.. (a stat not recorded btw) they prove he is also useless..

My argument with Woods is too often he touches the ball in the red zone , doubt too many could argue with that

Well he's not going into dummy half and bloody well getting it, maybe they should stop passing it to him!

 

[happy_tiger]

He had a bad game no doubt, it probably wasn't helped by his confidence going down along with that ball on the kickoff. It's 3 games into the season though and while that's apparently early enough to knife a coach you should probably wait a bit longer before you completely write off Lawrence and start crowing about being "right".

Happy seems to use stats as it suits him…here they are meaningless yet when it comes to Aaron and metres after contact.. (a stat not recorded btw) they prove he is also useless..

My argument with Woods is too often he touches the ball in the red zone , doubt too many could argue with that

Well he's not going into dummy half and bloody well getting it, maybe they should stop passing it to him!

Wouldn't be so bad if he was trying to land on his stomach and trying to get quick play the balls we can actually do something with :brick:

 

[jirskyr]

Hospital shmospital!!!!

Gimme a bloody break!!!!

Catch the ball for crying out loud!!!! Hospital pass is hardly a reason to drop the ball FOUR TIMES in a half!!

Sure, they were poor passes. What about the drop from the kick-off??? Did Brooks do that too???

Crikey Brooks has enough detractors (I'm one) and there enough threads where us fans highlight his ineptitude. But fair go, this is about Lawrence and unless those passes are uncatch-able (which they weren't) then a guy who is an 11 year veteran can damn well catch the ball first and if he's got an issue with the poor passing then he would be well within his rights to berate Brooks all he damn well likes.

But, if he's going to drop the ball every single time unless it is lightly placed on his chest then fair suck.

Over-reaction IMO. Obviously he doesn't drop every ball and very few of the passes he might drop are from light chest balls.

He dropped the ball 3 times in the match. IMO one of those was a dead-cert hospital, another was not great but he should have caught it, the kickoff was all his own fault. It's poor, for sure. What I don't get is how certain players get all the grief after a team-wide crap performance.

Brooks was poor, Lawrence was poor, Sue was poor, Moses was poor… most of them were poor.

Yes Lawrence should catch more footballs but also Brooks should throw less crap passes. You can't just say "the onus is on Lawrence to catch everything".

In 3 rounds Suli and Tedesco have the most errors (6). Lawrence has 5, Moses 4, 5 others have 3 errors. Previously, Lawrence made 12 errors in 2016, 7th worst of the team. In 2015 he made 10 errors, 11th worst. In 2014 he made 25 errors, that was a bad year, worst in the team. He's hardly the consistent ball-dropper, mistake-maker that he is labelled.

Just looking for some perspective in these hard times. All performances need to be viewed in context.

I almost wish for Chris Lawrence's sake he never was that good as a kid, because he's always being judged on his early performances. "Where is the Chris Lawrence with such pace and power?", people say. He's gone, gone gone gone. "He's been replaced by a Chris Lawrence who drops every pass." Well no he hasn't, he has a modest but very improvable record of errors, he is one of the few Tigers players to consistently put his body on the line in attack. He's only been worse than 8th for team-wide missed tackles once (2016 when he was 4th-worst).

Chris Lawrence has a lot of work to do, he's not at a level we need to be a strong-performing club. Same with Sue, Aloiai, Grant, Edwards, Lovett, MCK, Ava... it's a pack-wide issue.

 

[Geo]

He held onto the ball running outside in from Tedesco who ran 20m across field and scored through 3 Souff's defenders one was Farah and I loved it…

Also one of the few that take a dirty hit up from our end generally making metres and a quickish PTB..

 

[Newtown]

Hang on Rowdy is a better second rower than just about every back rower in the comp according to the stats

We had this argument in the pre season

We should of signed him for life according to the stats , shouldn't we ??

He had a bad game no doubt, it probably wasn't helped by his confidence going down along with that ball on the kickoff. It's 3 games into the season though and while that's apparently early enough to knife a coach you should probably wait a bit longer before you completely write off Lawrence and start crowing about being "right".

Happy seems to use stats as it suits him…here they are meaningless yet when it comes to Aaron and metres after contact.. (a stat not recorded btw) they prove he is also useless..

My argument with Woods is too often he touches the ball in the red zone , doubt too many could argue with that

Woods has trouble passing the ball at all.
Brooks has trouble throwing a good pass.
Lawrence has trouble catching a pass or high ball.

 

[jirskyr]

He had a bad game no doubt, it probably wasn't helped by his confidence going down along with that ball on the kickoff. It's 3 games into the season though and while that's apparently early enough to knife a coach you should probably wait a bit longer before you completely write off Lawrence and start crowing about being "right".

Happy seems to use stats as it suits him…here they are meaningless yet when it comes to Aaron and metres after contact.. (a stat not recorded btw) they prove he is also useless..

My argument with Woods is too often he touches the ball in the red zone , doubt too many could argue with that

Woods has trouble passing the ball at all.

Not really true, Woods has been 3rd highest or better for offloads in the team 2014-2017.

They don't publish stats on distribution, but I'd encourage you to watch how many times Woods passes before the line as well, it would be multiple times per match.

 

[bigsiro]

He dropped the ball 3 times in the match. IMO one of those was a dead-cert hospital, another was not great but he should have caught it, the kickoff was all his own fault. It's poor, for sure. What I don't get is how certain players get all the grief after a team-wide crap performance.

He dropped the ball 4 times. The last drop was in a play where Canberra were called out for a penalty so it didn't officially count as a drop. He got lucky there….

Yes Lawrence should catch more footballs but also Brooks should throw less crap passes. You can't just say "the onus is on Lawrence to catch everything".

The passes were catch-able.

Lawrence made 12 errors in 2016, 7th worst of the team.

I'm also looking for perspective so in regards to your stats; yes, Lawrence didn't miss as many tackles as Brooks or Moses but he missed the most tackles of any forward (by a mile).
He also made more errors then any other forward - nearly double the next player.

His errors and misses are also magnified because (a) more is expected of the veteran (b) his errors just always seem so rudimentary (opinion).

he is one of the few Tigers players to consistently put his body on the line in attack.

Puhhlease, what a contradiction! Being excused for dropping hospital passes and at the same time lauded for putting his body on the line. Strewth!

 

[jirskyr]

He dropped the ball 3 times in the match. IMO one of those was a dead-cert hospital, another was not great but he should have caught it, the kickoff was all his own fault. It's poor, for sure. What I don't get is how certain players get all the grief after a team-wide crap performance.

He dropped the ball 4 times. The last drop was in a play where Canberra were called out for a penalty so it didn't officially count as a drop. He got lucky there….

So he dropped the ball 3 times then? Or shall we make a habit of counting the unofficial mistakes, the tackles that could have been missed, the tries that could have been scored, the forward passes that the refs let go?

 

[bigsiro]

groan.

 

[Nelson]

Happy seems to use stats as it suits him…here they are meaningless yet when it comes to Aaron and metres after contact.. (a stat not recorded btw) they prove he is also useless..

My argument with Woods is too often he touches the ball in the red zone , doubt too many could argue with that

Woods has trouble passing the ball at all.

Not really true, Woods has been 3rd highest or better for offloads in the team 2014-2017.

They don't publish stats on distribution, but I'd encourage you to watch how many times Woods passes before the line as well, it would be multiple times per match.

Yeah if you can handle putting yourself through the Canberra game Woods passed the ball a lot. It was actually quite effective with Ava running off his hip getting the ball and making an extra 5 or 6 metres a few times (this was in the first 30 or so minutes of the game). He also dished off as first receiver a couple of times.

 

[jirskyr]

he is one of the few Tigers players to consistently put his body on the line in attack.

Puhhlease, what a contradiction! Being excused for dropping hospital passes and at the same time lauded for putting his body on the line. Strewth!

How is that a contradiction? It's entirely consistent.

Compare: I excuse you for dropping your weapon because your body was riddled with bullets, and I laud you for being the first person to reach the enemy line.

Compare: I excuse you for getting water in your lungs and I laud you for jumping into a river to save a drowning child.

Would you not excuse a footballer for making some errors if he was more consistently involved in the play? Hard to miss tackles if you are never in the right spot, hard to drop the ball if you never make hitups.

It's the same argument one would make to explain why Broses make the most errors and miss the most tackles, because they touch the ball so often and have so much big-frame traffic directed at them.

Not an excuse, but an explanation, to paraphrase Tim Sheens.

 

[bigsiro]

For me to explain your contradiction we must first both accept the basic premise that when Brooks makes a crappy hospital pass, whoever takes that pass is going to get hammered.

Thus, a player taking said pass with this knowledge IS certainly deemed as putting his body on the line.
Conversely, a player dropping the crappy pass prior to reaching the defensive line is most certainly NOT putting his body on the line. Rather, he is doing quite the opposite.

Ergo, excusing Lawrence for dropping hospital passes while at the same time saying that he puts his body on the line is herein a paradox i.e. a contradictory statement.

 

[bigsiro]

Hope that didn't come across as too facetious :smiley:

 

[rozelle_rudy]

Agree. Rowdy is obviously popular with the players and tries hard BUT too small for the forwards, too slow for the backs, too unskilled for NRL.

 

[Eddie]

Hospital shmospital!!!!

Gimme a bloody break!!!!

Catch the ball for crying out loud!!!! Hospital pass is hardly a reason to drop the ball FOUR TIMES in a half!!

Sure, they were poor passes. What about the drop from the kick-off??? Did Brooks do that too???

Crikey Brooks has enough detractors (I'm one) and there enough threads where us fans highlight his ineptitude. But fair go, this is about Lawrence and unless those passes are uncatch-able (which they weren't) then a guy who is an 11 year veteran can damn well catch the ball first and if he's got an issue with the poor passing then he would be well within his rights to berate Brooks all he damn well likes.

But, if he's going to drop the ball every single time unless it is lightly placed on his chest then fair suck.

oks should throw less crap passes. You can't just say "the onus is on Lawrence to catch everything".

In 3 rounds Suli and Tedesco have the most errors (6). Lawrence has 5, Moses 4, 5 others have 3 errors. Previously, Lawrence made 12 errors in 2016, 7th worst of the team. In 2015 he made 10 errors, 11th worst. In 2014 he made 25 errors, that was a bad year, worst in the team. He's hardly the consistent ball-dropper, mistake-maker that he is labelled.

Just looking for some perspective in these hard times. All performances need to be viewed in context.

How many times has Tedesco touched the ball compared to Lawrence? How many more times to the wingers fullbacks and halves touch the ball compared to Lawrence?

What doesn't come into your statistical look at this? What I like about your stats is you leave the bits out that don't suit your argument.

How many times does he drop the ball per touch compared to others.

Now THAT would be a far more interesting stat.

Really all those 3 error on the weekend were unforced.Its not like they were around his takes. They hit him in the bred basket. Sure they were not the best passes. However one of them put him through half a hole. He didn't even lay a bit on him.

He is gone as a footballer mate, has been for years. Puts his body not he line every week, doesn't stop being being a liability most weeks.

 

[jirskyr]

Hospital shmospital!!!!

Gimme a bloody break!!!!

Catch the ball for crying out loud!!!! Hospital pass is hardly a reason to drop the ball FOUR TIMES in a half!!

Sure, they were poor passes. What about the drop from the kick-off??? Did Brooks do that too???

Crikey Brooks has enough detractors (I'm one) and there enough threads where us fans highlight his ineptitude. But fair go, this is about Lawrence and unless those passes are uncatch-able (which they weren't) then a guy who is an 11 year veteran can damn well catch the ball first and if he's got an issue with the poor passing then he would be well within his rights to berate Brooks all he damn well likes.

But, if he's going to drop the ball every single time unless it is lightly placed on his chest then fair suck.

oks should throw less crap passes. You can't just say "the onus is on Lawrence to catch everything".

In 3 rounds Suli and Tedesco have the most errors (6). Lawrence has 5, Moses 4, 5 others have 3 errors. Previously, Lawrence made 12 errors in 2016, 7th worst of the team. In 2015 he made 10 errors, 11th worst. In 2014 he made 25 errors, that was a bad year, worst in the team. He's hardly the consistent ball-dropper, mistake-maker that he is labelled.

Just looking for some perspective in these hard times. All performances need to be viewed in context.

How many times has Tedesco touched the ball compared to Lawrence? How many more times to the wingers fullbacks and halves touch the ball compared to Lawrence?

What doesn't come into your statistical look at this? What I like about your stats is you leave the bits out that don't suit your argument.

How many times does he drop the ball per touch compared to others.

Now THAT would be a far more interesting stat.

Really all those 3 error on the weekend were unforced.Its not like they were around his takes. They hit him in the bred basket. Sure they were not the best passes. However one of them put him through half a hole. He didn't even lay a bit on him.

He is gone as a footballer mate, has been for years. Puts his body not he line every week, doesn't stop being being a liability most weeks.

I don't leave them out mate, I don't have them. There are stats they don't publish, I'm just a Joe, I don't own a stat keeping company. I have what is available on the internet for free to the public.

I have no idea how many touches each player has. I know how many hitups they do, but that's not the same.

If you can get that info I'd gladly discuss it with you.

 

[Geo]

Hospital shmospital!!!!

Gimme a bloody break!!!!

Catch the ball for crying out loud!!!! Hospital pass is hardly a reason to drop the ball FOUR TIMES in a half!!

Sure, they were poor passes. What about the drop from the kick-off??? Did Brooks do that too???

Crikey Brooks has enough detractors (I'm one) and there enough threads where us fans highlight his ineptitude. But fair go, this is about Lawrence and unless those passes are uncatch-able (which they weren't) then a guy who is an 11 year veteran can damn well catch the ball first and if he's got an issue with the poor passing then he would be well within his rights to berate Brooks all he damn well likes.

But, if he's going to drop the ball every single time unless it is lightly placed on his chest then fair suck.

oks should throw less crap passes. You can't just say "the onus is on Lawrence to catch everything".

In 3 rounds Suli and Tedesco have the most errors (6). Lawrence has 5, Moses 4, 5 others have 3 errors. Previously, Lawrence made 12 errors in 2016, 7th worst of the team. In 2015 he made 10 errors, 11th worst. In 2014 he made 25 errors, that was a bad year, worst in the team. He's hardly the consistent ball-dropper, mistake-maker that he is labelled.

Just looking for some perspective in these hard times. All performances need to be viewed in context.

How many times has Tedesco touched the ball compared to Lawrence? How many more times to the wingers fullbacks and halves touch the ball compared to Lawrence?

What doesn't come into your statistical look at this? What I like about your stats is you leave the bits out that don't suit your argument.

How many times does he drop the ball per touch compared to others.

Now THAT would be a far more interesting stat.

Really all those 3 error on the weekend were unforced.Its not like they were around his takes. They hit him in the bred basket. Sure they were not the best passes. However one of them put him through half a hole. He didn't even lay a bit on him.

He is gone as a footballer mate, has been for years. Puts his body not he line every week, doesn't stop being being a liability most weeks.

I don't leave them out mate, I don't have them. There are stats they don't publish, I'm just a Joe, I don't own a stat keeping company. I have what is available on the internet for free to the public.

I have no idea how many touches each player has. I know how many hitups they do, but that's not the same.

If you can get that info I'd gladly discuss it with you.

http://live.nrlstats.com/matches/nrl/match44290.html

This site may help after games are finished in a day or two it lists receives etc in player stats..V Raiders Brooks 47 Moses 38 Tedesco 25 Rowdy 9..

 

[jirskyr]

http://live.nrlstats.com/matches/nrl/match44290.html

This site may help after games are finished in a day or two it lists receives etc in player stats..V Raiders Brooks 47 Moses 38 Tedesco 25 Rowdy 9..

Cool but does it add them up over a season? One game is… one game. I realise there are all games present from 2017 but I'm not going to go through add them all up, and previous years are missing.