Cini, Simpkin and Tuki

[Goldust]

I understand how bad Cini was against the titans
But Noffa has multiple bad games in a row,as does Tommy Talau.
This year is done ,we need to really find out which juniors are going to be here for the long haul.

 

[BAGNF05]

Mmmm, your'e kidding arn't you?
Cini, is a good Reserve Grader, thats it.
Simkin has been average ,but has not starred.
Docker-Clay was a reserve for the Reggies a couple of weeks ago.
Either you don't own a TV or you havn't traveled to a game. In which case your mental state will be in a lot better shape than mine....

I haven’t travelled to a game? I’ve been everywhere this year. Only games I’ve missed were the ones in Brisbane. I can see with my own eyes that there’s more effort in players like Simpkin, Cini, Tuki and Dockar-Clay than there is in Mbye, Tamou and Roberts. Effort gets you places, I’d rather sit through and watch us get flogged but have players putting in every bit of effort until the full time whistle than seeing blokes with their head down only out there for the pay cheque

Sorry mate but I have to disagree with some of your post.....firstly if you look great in reggies doesnt mean you will be great in NRL fg side,a real step up to play against highly contracted players with gun reputations...
secondly ....when some NRL players get dropped to reggies they have stand out games to justify geetting back in FG ,a big,big difference playing down in reggies compared to the top level...
thirdly....why would you risk the young guys development by putting them in against high classed players to prove a personal agenda point,if they are ready Madge will pick them,he looks after the young guys...ask Cini why we had to buy K.Maumalo ...

Something has to change. I’m so sick to death of watching players like Roberts, Tamou and Mbye whilst you have players busting their asses off in reggies hoping to get a shot in first grade yet they continue to be overlooked week in week out. How come Roberts has had 1 good game all year but keeps his spot meanwhile Zac Cini had a blinder on debut and an average 2nd game but gets dropped and hasn’t even been in the 21 since?

We signed them based on reputation not character and now Madge is being forced to pick them on reputation not character. Shambles.

 

[Demps]

Good post.

I agree.

Let's give them a chance and think to the future.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

either give people a go or let them explore options elsewhere stop holding people back.
If we are not re-signing Roberts then do not pick him give someone else a go

 

[PJ_]

Zac Cini, Jake Simpkin and Tuki Simpkins all in the NSW Cup team of the year busting their asses off and carving up in reserve grade - yet you’ve got bludgers like Roberts, Tamou, Mbye who continue to get selected every week just to dish out the same rubbish

Surely with nothing to lose Madge looks to reserve grade and picks some players out from there? Pauga, Kiah, Kelma, Dockar-Clay have to be in the mix for first grade as well. All continue to stand out every week in reggies yet they’re being overlooked by the same bludgers every week who have no effort and pride in the jersey

If they aren't in the Top 30 , we have to wait until we are out of finals contention ...then be playing another side out of finals contention and then ask for a special exemption ...from memory

Well we’re already out of contention so there’s step 1

Mathematical .....unfortunately

Run the numbers bro ?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

either give people a go or let them explore options elsewhere stop holding people back.
If we are not re-signing Roberts then do not pick him give someone else a go

I doubt anyone is stopping them from exploring their options. The fact other sides aren’t sniffing around them should tell you something.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Idk, I get the frustration with the first grade side, but if you think the guys named are really better options, then idk what to tell you. Cini seems nothing more than a cult hero, Simpkin may have something in a year or two, but atm isn’t really up to it, especially when you see what he was hyped up to be. And Tuki seems like one of those players the forum talks up, yet never cracks first grade.

 

[Shooter Mcgavin]

Due to the fact that this year is a write off, I’d rather get a good look at our juniors while we have good cap money available (post Packer/Mbye/BJ etc) to try and retain the talent rather then risk losing it.

Fact is we will struggle to attract top tier talent via external means so development within should be key. Though Simpkin, Simpkins, Tuilagi may or may not be first grade standard, I think they would learn more and be better off for next year if they were sat down and told you have 8 weeks of the year left, finals are out of the picture, Reggies is cancelled, show us what you got and we can build off that for next year.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I understand how bad Cini was against the titans
But Noffa has multiple bad games in a row,as does Tommy Talau.
This year is done ,we need to really find out which juniors are going to be here for the long haul.

Thinking Cini is a better player than Noffa may top thinking Docker-Clay is better than Mbye.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Due to the fact that this year is a write off, I’d rather get a good look at our juniors while we have good cap money available (post Packer/Mbye/BJ etc) to try and retain the talent rather then risk losing it.

Fact is we will struggle to attract top tier talent via external means so development within should be key. Though Simpkin, Simpkins, Tuilagi may or may not be first grade standard, I think they would learn more and be better off for next year if they were sat down and told you have 8 weeks of the year left, finals are out of the picture, Reggies is cancelled, show us what you got and we can build off that for next year.

It seems to be the old supporter chestnut to think the club should start bringing in reserve graders at the end of the season to see what they have got. Idk any club that does that.

 

[Spartan117]

Thinking Cini is a better player than Noffa may top thinking Docker-Clay is better than Mbye.

Cini isnt better than Nofo. We have a sample.size of less than 5 games.

Nofo is a very good player in a team that has struggled his entire career.

Imagine if he was outside latrell, Inglis or another decent centre.

 

[Goldust]

I understand how bad Cini was against the titans
But Noffa has multiple bad games in a row,as does Tommy Talau.
This year is done ,we need to really find out which juniors are going to be here for the long haul.

Thinking Cini is a better player than Noffa may top thinking Docker-Clay is better than Mbye.

Never said he was better.
I said he had one bad game and got dropped
Noffa has had multiple bad games over many years and still hasn’t learned to stay on his wing
Mbye has been completely useless this year so Dockar-Clay couldn’t do much worse lol

 

[weststigerman]

As others have said around Cini, he’s not better than the 2 wingers in the NRL. Wouldn’t mind seeing him in the centres but he’s out of favour for whatever reason.

I think the club is actually doing the right thing with Simpkin and Tuki. Both are very young and need time to work on their game.

Harry Grant spent 2 years in reserve grade, which he has said helped him a lot to prep for first grade. Simpkin is 2 years younger I believe.

Tuki is having his first full year playing league, has a lot to work on but the club signed him for 3 years. He’s a long term prospect who needs to work on his agility.

 

[Snake]

Idk, I get the frustration with the first grade side, but if you think the guys named are really better options, then idk what to tell you. Cini seems nothing more than a cult hero, Simpkin may have something in a year or two, but atm isn’t really up to it, especially when you see what he was hyped up to be. And Tuki seems like one of those players the forum talks up, yet never cracks first grade.

With another coach Tuki would be playing at least on rotation with the NRL squad..he is the sleeper for next season he should of played a few already IMO .
The problem with the forwards basically 4 of them offer the same no variation.. Tuki gives that Tall/fast/good defender and has a great offload.
The non use of Tuilagi is puzzling but I suppose these things lead to why the coach is on thing ice !

 

[Snake]

Zac Cini, Jake Simpkin and Tuki Simpkins all in the NSW Cup team of the year busting their asses off and carving up in reserve grade - yet you’ve got bludgers like Roberts, Tamou, Mbye who continue to get selected every week just to dish out the same rubbish

Surely with nothing to lose Madge looks to reserve grade and picks some players out from there? Pauga, Kiah, Kelma, Dockar-Clay have to be in the mix for first grade as well. All continue to stand out every week in reggies yet they’re being overlooked by the same bludgers every week who have no effort and pride in the jersey

Cini was given his opportunity and failed , these opportunities are not given often they should be taken seriously!

 

[happy_tiger]

As others have said around Cini, he’s not better than the 2 wingers in the NRL. Wouldn’t mind seeing him in the centres but he’s out of favour for whatever reason.

I think the club is actually doing the right thing with Simpkin and Tuki. Both are very young and need time to work on their game.

Harry Grant spent 2 years in reserve grade, which he has said helped him a lot to prep for first grade. Simpkin is 2 years younger I believe.

Tuki is having his first full year playing league, has a lot to work on but the club signed him for 3 years. He’s a long term prospect who needs to work on his agility.

Harry Grant was also coached by Bellamy and was getting help from Cam Smith and Motzarella ......

Extreme left to extreme right ...universes apart

 

[frullens]

I agree we need to blooding the younger guys with more energy and commitment.

But the guys making the NSW cup team of the year is a catch 22 - don't think that should be the measure - as they wouldn't of made the team of the year if they had been moved up to first grade.

Harry Grant says he got a lot of playing for so long in reserves. Its a fine balance between learning the trade in reserve or losing confidence in first grade.

I think though madge should reward first and foremost effort and attitude

 

[happy_tiger]

I agree we need to blooding the younger guys with more energy and commitment.

But the guys making the NSW cup team of the year is a catch 22 - don't think that should be the measure - as they wouldn't of made the team of the year if they had been moved up to first grade.

Harry Grant says he got a lot of playing for so long in reserves. Its a fine balance between learning the trade in reserve or losing confidence in first grade.

I think though madge should reward first and foremost effort and attitude

Grant came off the bench in Game 3 of SOO in 2020 after Qld got lapped in Game 2 and won the MOTM .....

What is with the extreme measurements ......

 

[happy_tiger]

Idk, I get the frustration with the first grade side, but if you think the guys named are really better options, then idk what to tell you. Cini seems nothing more than a cult hero, Simpkin may have something in a year or two, but atm isn’t really up to it, especially when you see what he was hyped up to be. And Tuki seems like one of those players the forum talks up, yet never cracks first grade.

With another coach Tuki would be playing at least on rotation with the NRL squad..he is the sleeper for next season he should of played a few already IMO .
The problem with the forwards basically 4 of them offer the same no variation.. Tuki gives that Tall/fast/good defender and has a great offload.
The non use of Tuilagi is puzzling but I suppose these things lead to why the coach is on thing ice !

I'm betting we see Tuki in the last 5 games if Covid doesn't intervene ....give him a taste ...full off season ....then see where we stand

 

[weststigerman]

As others have said around Cini, he’s not better than the 2 wingers in the NRL. Wouldn’t mind seeing him in the centres but he’s out of favour for whatever reason.

I think the club is actually doing the right thing with Simpkin and Tuki. Both are very young and need time to work on their game.

Harry Grant spent 2 years in reserve grade, which he has said helped him a lot to prep for first grade. Simpkin is 2 years younger I believe.

Tuki is having his first full year playing league, has a lot to work on but the club signed him for 3 years. He’s a long term prospect who needs to work on his agility.

Harry Grant was also coached by Bellamy and was getting help from Cam Smith and Motzarella ......

Extreme left to extreme right ...universes apart

DCE also spent a season in reserve grade before coming into first grade.

I’m not sure playing in the NRL is doing much for guys like Stefano either. Sure he got picked to train with origin but his confidence is getting destroyed in firsts.