There is, it's missed tackles. The forum line of you don't get scored a miss if you don't even attempt is false. If a player runs through the line where you are supposed to be it will be recorded as a missed tackled whether you touch them or not.
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That shows why Benji is such a massive plus for our club,he could have asked a player or 2 do that for him but chose to do it himself.
SwervinMervin
It must be the topic about a bad performance from a winger because for some reason your name made me think of Steve Mavin a souths winger that got hooked at the SCG in a finals match.
Struggle at times what I did yesterday but then remembered things from years ago š
Got to love getting old.
So if a.left winger tackles an attacker midfield thats made a huge line break and saves the try....is then at marker...the attack then spreads quick hands right to the defenders left wing...left defensive winger cant recover and they score in the corner, that left wingers missed a tackle?
Doesnt seem right.
TheEnz
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I doubt its true, if a player splits 2 defenders and runs through untouched how do you know which defender was supposed to make the tackle and therefore missed it. You could also argue that Madden should have been more agressive and shut down some of that shape early however he held back and they ran sideways through the space he should have pushed up into, is that a missed tackle? i believe its only missed if there is an attempt made to tackle, then i guess an ineffective tackle is when they allow an offload?
No but whoever was beaten on the outside, assume left centre in this example, gets a missed tackle recorded against them. Even if there was a 10m overlap and the try scorer goes over untouched. Not saying it is necessarily right as such but it is the way they are recorded.
I will note I can only guarantee this how it is recorded by vapor media that does stats for Fox Sports. I believe it is similar for Opta in that they essentially judge who they believe at fault for an untouched line break but not identical recording to Vapor.
hank37w
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Yes, you do make a valid point and I understand what you are saying.
I suppose it comes back to old, "stats don't always tell the full story," and tackle statistics would be no different.
An example I guess would be someone making an ankle tap that puts an attacking player off balance but as a result the attacking player is slowed down to the point that another defender is able to complete the tackle and save what otherwise would have been a match winning try.
Even though the ankle tap was a match winning moment it would still count as a missed tackle even though it led to the game being saved and resulting in a victory.
I would hate to be responsible for compiling game performance statistics as there would certainly be different interpretations applied just as different referees and bunker officials view certain things differently even though we are supposed to be playing under the same set of rules.
Statistics for a particular game can vary slightly from different sporting bodies due to the interpretation put on them by the statistician or statisticians compiling them.
weststigers
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The comments are a great read
Yeah we have all been crying
SwervinMervin
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I remember that game vividly. An absolute stinker from poor old Steve.
TIGERS
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Said earlier in the year that the real judge of Benji is how the team gets up when it's close to full strength. So far its been terrific.
I could go into really granular detail, but nah, I just feel like this week isn't one of those weeks for us. I just hope we perform against the Storm. That means more to me than the result.
Benji's becoming really canny at managing the perception of our club in the media. I thought inviting that young fella from the sharks game to training was a really clever move, (in many directions.) He really does have this unique ability to project this kind of authentic cornyness where others can't.
Gutsy wins against Eels, Warriors and Raiders mean we're not in freefall. But its a different coaching challenge for the next month as we've gotta maybe go through a bit of a rough patch without totally sh1tting the bed.
Our backline is just too unbalanced and inexperienced with Bula and AD out. It's going to cost us a lot of points and momentum. I'd start Skelton and Herbert on one side -- simply because -- if they're not particularly good, at least they're not getting bashed up. We can go to May and a rookie winger on the other side for finesse.
But yea now's not the time to judge coaching based strictly on results.
I could go into really granular detail, but nah, I just feel like this week isn't one of those weeks for us. I just hope we perform against the Storm. That means more to me than the result.
Benji's becoming really canny at managing the perception of our club in the media. I thought inviting that young fella from the sharks game to training was a really clever move, (in many directions.) He really does have this unique ability to project this kind of authentic cornyness where others can't.
Gutsy wins against Eels, Warriors and Raiders mean we're not in freefall. But its a different coaching challenge for the next month as we've gotta maybe go through a bit of a rough patch without totally sh1tting the bed.
Our backline is just too unbalanced and inexperienced with Bula and AD out. It's going to cost us a lot of points and momentum. I'd start Skelton and Herbert on one side -- simply because -- if they're not particularly good, at least they're not getting bashed up. We can go to May and a rookie winger on the other side for finesse.
But yea now's not the time to judge coaching based strictly on results.
Tom Shines
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Itās not all on Marshall this week ā¦ the players need to put inā¦ canāt have two poor performances in a row ā¦ Im hoping there might be some late changes to the announced team š
crazycat
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We have seen changes. Good ones IMHO
Toa off, Turuva back to wing with Herbert back at Center.
This means Heath Mason to fullback. Turuva has been great on the wing and I would rather he keeps owning it there.
KPP in and Samuela out isn't our change. Also bringing Bunty in now is interesting. I would love to see Bunty pound in to earn the trust Benji put in him.
Jimmy
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The difference between Benji and other coaches is the fact that this isnāt just a job to him, itās his home. He genuinely wants the club to succeed as much as we do. Itās great to see him developing as time goes on. Benji is a Tiger and you canāt get that kind of loyalty and devotion out of a salary man.
Tom Shines
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Thatās the change Iām not buying ā¦ I have got big concerns ā¦its a big risk to take given his past form at the NRL level and weaknesses under the high ballā¦ I would have gone with Turuva at 1 and Skelton ā¦still hoping it happens
crazycat
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That's still the wrong decision.
Turuva keeps our wing secure. As Toa has said "he made me a better defender."
We move Turuva off the wing and guess what?
We loose to Cronulla by about 42 points.
Turuva needs to stay on the wing OR mentor a wing with him at Center. Fullback was a massive mistake.
Latu Fainu is critically underused, or you could move Luke L to fullback with Skelton taking the other wing spot. Do not repeat the Cronulla mistake.
Tom Shines
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Wrong .
Iām talking about this weeks game ā¦Iāve moved on from last week..
Playing Turuva does weaken another position ..Itās still a better option than playing Mason at FB
Was watching missed tackle stats get awarded during this game.
2 trys run in untouched.
For the Joey Walsh try, both fox and NRL put Mam down for a missed tackle.
For the Broncos winger try, only fox recorded a missed tackle to Hopoate.
It was consistent with one of last night's games. Clean break is a missed tackle for both. Line break 'around' the line then only fox give a missed to the outside defender.
Tigerstigerstigers
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Turuva only runs with the ball. Mason offers a lot more at fullback . Plus he has the experience of his
Good and his bad games last season.
Yes heās sus under the high ball.
Hes been good the last few weeks and given that and our injury count, he deserves a shot.
Turuva then helps restore some normality to the backline and its structures .
I think itās a good call.
