Coach Tim Sheens yet to crack Wests Tigers' backbone

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WESTS Tigers coach Tim Sheens has no hesitation in nominating the spine as the most important structure in any football team.

And he's not alone. Most coaches acknowledge that the positions of fullback, five-eighth, halfback and hooker – rugby league's holy quartet -- dictate a side's ability to win a premiership.

And therein lies the quandary for Sheens. On one hand, he believes this squad is better on paper than the team that won the 2005 premiership. On the other, when the opening round begins in a matter of weeks, Sheens still doesn't know who will be his fullback, and his halfback is a work in progress.

"You need grunt up front and you need speed out wide," Sheens said. "You need people who can score a try and break the line. You still need the basics of a rugby league team. But there's no doubt that when the referee puts his hand up for the last tackle, the decisions from those people are the ones that make or break you.

"That is the spine."

Sheens has handed Tim Molt-zen the No 7 jersey for tonight's trial against Parramatta in Gos-ford and plans to stick with him at halfback.

At fullback he has plumped for teenager James Tedesco, although he has other options with Joel Reddy, Tom Humble and Mitch Brown.

"Fullback is your 14th man," Sheens said. "There is an old saying that a side with a good fullback looks like it's playing with 14 men but with an ordinary fullback you're playing with 12.

"The fullback is the decision-maker, works out the numbers, left or right, through the middle. He takes the ball under high pressure at the back end of the set to defuse situations. It is a very, very tough position."

Manly, last year's premier, has arguably the game's best spine. But if it's any consolation for Sheens, no one thought that at this time last season, with halfback Daly Cherry-Evans's emergence icing their cake.

Sheens is hoping Tedesco or someone else makes the fullback spot their own. If that happens, they will be a match for anyone.

"I am not saying I am not concerned, but I am comfortable with the fact that the kid (Tedesco) will make it eventually," Sheens said.

"On paper it is a better squad than '05.

"At the start of the year we were barely tipped to get in the eight and halfway through the year we were running 11th.

"The '05 squad stayed healthy and in doing so we had the right momentum and things went through for us. "On paper it is (a better squad). Whether it delivers is another thing."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/coach-tim-sheens-yet-to-crack-wests-tigers-backbone/story-e6frg7mf-1226268222102
 
The conditions aren't ideal for a good trial hit out but then again league is a winter game. The part about the spine is another reason why I can't see why some in the media and betting markets want to put WTs up as favourites.
 
On paper the squad is better than in '05? for the most part yes, but not the halfback or fullback at this stage
 
If sheens thinks pace outside to finish off breaks is a necessity then it really baffles me as to why utai is playing on the wing instead of grant or brown in this first trial
 
@smoking gun said:
If sheens thinks pace outside to finish off breaks is a necessity then it really baffles me as to why utai is playing on the wing instead of grant or brown in this first trial

Gun I was thinking the same thing, with Marshall throwing magic balls into space we need speed out wide. Sheens has Utai their for the dirty yards, but I think we need a flyer out wide a lot more than what Utai brings to the team
 
@supercoach said:
@smoking gun said:
If sheens thinks pace outside to finish off breaks is a necessity then it really baffles me as to why utai is playing on the wing instead of grant or brown in this first trial

Gun I was thinking the same thing, with Marshall throwing magic balls into space we need speed out wide. Sheens has Utai their for the dirty yards, but I think we need a flyer out wide a lot more than what Utai brings to the team

Agree absolutely. As much as I like seeing Utai crash his way into defense lines on kick returns, we really need a winger who's able to latch onto the end of an attacking raid. Utai was two paces behind the play last year in attack and can't see him being any quicker with another year in his legs. Another Sheens classic.
 
I expect that he has named his most stable team to start and will be trying a few things in the outside backs tonight! I can't wait!!
 
I won't get up there tonight but good luck to the boys, whoever runs out for us during the course of the night.

As long as we come through without injuries i'll be happy!

That said, i agree with the masses regarding pace out wide & the general consensus on Utai however we still have Lote to come back as well as Grant/brown to throw in the mix. Hopefully Mr Utai is a squad player by mid season due to the performances of the aforementioned.

No word on whats going on with Miller? I thought or sure Sheens would be plumping to give him a go.
 
@supercoach said:
@smoking gun said:
If sheens thinks pace outside to finish off breaks is a necessity then it really baffles me as to why utai is playing on the wing instead of grant or brown in this first trial

Gun I was thinking the same thing, with Marshall throwing magic balls into space we need speed out wide. Sheens has Utai their for the dirty yards, but I think we need a flyer out wide a lot more than what Utai brings to the team

It wouldn't hurt to have someone with grant or Reddys height out there too. As we all know benji can throw the odd speculator.
I'll stand rooted if Utai is the best option we have on the wing come round 1.
 
@Deano1 said:
@supercoach said:
@smoking gun said:
If sheens thinks pace outside to finish off breaks is a necessity then it really baffles me as to why utai is playing on the wing instead of grant or brown in this first trial

Gun I was thinking the same thing, with Marshall throwing magic balls into space we need speed out wide. Sheens has Utai their for the dirty yards, but I think we need a flyer out wide a lot more than what Utai brings to the team

Agree absolutely. As much as I like seeing Utai crash his way into defense lines on kick returns, we really need a winger who's able to latch onto the end of an attacking raid. Utai was two paces behind the play last year in attack and can't see him being any quicker with another year in his legs. Another Sheens classic.

Agree 200% With all due respect to Utai, he's effective in bringing the ball back, but if I'm Moltzen or Marshall and looking to set up a backline play, John Grant is the bloke I'd rather be aiming to hit on the chest with a pass as he's both bigger and twice as quick as Utai. I daresay if Grant gets on the outside of any winger in the comp he's got the pace to see them off.

Anyway, it's a long season as Utai has more runs on the board. I expect once Grant finds his feet he'll be pushing for a spot. Didn't look too bad last week for BRET so that's something.
 
Just saw a picture of the ground on the NSWRL Twitter.

Quagmire in the making
 
@cunno said:
The conditions aren't ideal for a good trial hit out but then again league is a winter game. **The part about the spine is another reason why I can't see why some in the media and betting markets want to put WTs up as favourites**.

Perhaps, Cunno, it's precisely because we have so many viable options in this area that they see us as favourites. Most other teams generally only have one established NRL player in each 'spine' position and, if injury strikes, they could falter, whereas we have a lot of experience and depth. Then, of course, there is the Benji and Robbie factor, who could well be a 'spine' on their own sometimes :laughing:
 
@Tigerdave said:
On paper the squad is better than in '05? for the most part yes, but not the halfback or fullback at this stage

Thats exactly the issue,& if Benji goes down theres no Prince,which means we really dont have a "playmaker"plan B at this stage,as u rightly say.
Think we REALLY got caught out with Lui,but having done the right thing in moving him on,our 2012 campaign just got so much more difficult.
Hopefully both a half & fullback will step up
..& totally concur on the sentiments re Utai as a winger-the only postion u cld play him is as a no 13 sub ,& as every team knows,anywhere in the backs where he might be isolated one on one is a potential disaster awaiting.Problem there is we have two no 13s in Heighnington & Fulton who can both play 80 minutes
lastly,in lotes absence think Grant shld definitely have been fast tracked & given a run on the wing with the big boys..after all it is only a trial,& if he makes an error ot two its not a disaster at this stage.We all know what Utai is capable/not capable of on the wing,so nothing is achieved playing him there in a trial
 
Lui was good but motlz hasn't had a real shot at 7\. Half way through last season lui was getting bashed on plenty of threads. If our eventual fb plays decent we are as good as last year, if not better. We played with how fb's last year?
 
C'mon guys is just a trial Sheensy will want to try a few things and see how they look

Its not like it is a GF Every player deserves a shot
 
I don't think theres any doubt at all that this yrs squad is better then 05's. For one in 2012 we have the best back-row in the competition. Whereas in 05 Galea and O'Neill were just workers and Halatau, despite IMO being the player of the final series, never realy played to that ability before or after that final series. Not to mention we have way more strike in the backline then we did in 05
 

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