Coaching

@stevetiger said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
Putting it all on the coaching is quite frankly a cop out. Our issues go way beyond team selections and game plans. How many coaches will this playing group have to fail under before some realise the coach might not be the problem? For some, the issues with JT are so personal it's ridiculous. A simple coaching change will not do jack for this team.

What would. If you blame this all on the players or something else it's a cop out.

I also don't get the comments as if this team is the same team as we've had for the past 5 years when it isn't. There have been roster changes.

Tedesco, Brooks and Moses are all new players in the line-up.

These broad comments that you are so keen to make in my opinion don't make any sense whatsoever.

Tell us at a detailed level what is wrong.

The same thing that has been wrong for the majority of the last 16 yrs. But somehow the solution is to sack JT. That will solve all the problems :crazy
 
@Eddie said:
@galea#11 said:
We just went golden time with Melbourne top 5 side for past 10 yrs Minus. Woods sue Simona nofo. In an unbalanced team due part to poor salary cap decisions past 5 yrs past Tigers teams would of lost that game by 10+. I see wat jt is saying we r standing up and battling

We moved on Wayne Pearce
We moved on terry lamb
We moved on tim sheens
We moved on mick potter

Hmmm. Maybe there is a bigger problem here :brick:

Just to play devils advocate where are these coaches doing now??

Have they gone on to prove those decisions wrong??

Well, to be fair, one is on the board of the league, another is running an ESL club and a third plotted our downfall a week or so ago. I don't know what the poker's former master is up to.
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
@stevetiger said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
Putting it all on the coaching is quite frankly a cop out. Our issues go way beyond team selections and game plans. How many coaches will this playing group have to fail under before some realise the coach might not be the problem? For some, the issues with JT are so personal it's ridiculous. A simple coaching change will not do jack for this team.

What would. If you blame this all on the players or something else it's a cop out.

I also don't get the comments as if this team is the same team as we've had for the past 5 years when it isn't. There have been roster changes.

Tedesco, Brooks and Moses are all new players in the line-up.

These broad comments that you are so keen to make in my opinion don't make any sense whatsoever.

Tell us at a detailed level what is wrong.

The same thing that has been wrong for the majority of the last 16 yrs. But somehow the solution is to sack JT. That will solve all the problems :crazy

So what is wrong ? If it's the same thing tell us what it is ?
 
Parra have had seven coaching changes since 2006, have always had a good junior nursery,and paid a fortune for some quality recruits and not so quality recruits ( Watmough/Sandow). Seems they have finally got all the ducks in a row to be successful again - and now they are more than likely going to get docked points.
Creating a winning successful team clearly takes longer for some clubs - while consistently maintaining it appears to be largely related to money.
 
@Telltails said:
Parra have had seven coaching changes since 2006, have always had a good junior nursery,and paid a fortune for some quality recruits and not so quality recruits ( Watmough/Sandow). Seems they have finally got all the ducks in a row to be successful again - and now they are more than likely going to get docked points.
Creating a winning successful team clearly takes longer for some clubs - while consistently maintaining it appears to be largely related to money.

It also takes the willingness to cheat and rort the salary cap , there team has been put together on not playing fairly and there not the only ones!
 
@Snake said:
@Telltails said:
Parra have had seven coaching changes since 2006, have always had a good junior nursery,and paid a fortune for some quality recruits and not so quality recruits ( Watmough/Sandow). Seems they have finally got all the ducks in a row to be successful again - and now they are more than likely going to get docked points.
Creating a winning successful team clearly takes longer for some clubs - while consistently maintaining it appears to be largely related to money.

It also takes the willingness to cheat and rort the salary cap , there team has been put together on not playing fairly and there not the only ones!

Other teams have also taken this approach to putting together a quality team. That is an approach that I bet works assuming you don't get caught until it's too late or you don't get caught.
 
@formerguest said:
@Eddie said:
@galea#11 said:
We just went golden time with Melbourne top 5 side for past 10 yrs Minus. Woods sue Simona nofo. In an unbalanced team due part to poor salary cap decisions past 5 yrs past Tigers teams would of lost that game by 10+. I see wat jt is saying we r standing up and battling

We moved on Wayne Pearce
We moved on terry lamb
We moved on tim sheens
We moved on mick potter

Hmmm. Maybe there is a bigger problem here :brick:

Just to play devils advocate where are these coaches doing now??

Have they gone on to prove those decisions wrong??

Well, to be fair, one is on the board of the league, another is running an ESL club and a third plotted our downfall a week or so ago. I don't know what the poker's former master is up to.

Thanks for answering my question.

None are currrently 1st grade NRL coaches and none are likely to be again in the future.
 
@Eddie said:
@formerguest said:
@Eddie said:
@galea#11 said:
We just went golden time with Melbourne top 5 side for past 10 yrs Minus. Woods sue Simona nofo. In an unbalanced team due part to poor salary cap decisions past 5 yrs past Tigers teams would of lost that game by 10+. I see wat jt is saying we r standing up and battling

We moved on Wayne Pearce
We moved on terry lamb
We moved on tim sheens
We moved on mick potter

Hmmm. Maybe there is a bigger problem here :brick:

Just to play devils advocate where are these coaches doing now??

Have they gone on to prove those decisions wrong??

Well, to be fair, one is on the board of the league, another is running an ESL club and a third plotted our downfall a week or so ago. I don't know what the poker's former master is up to.

Thanks for answering my question.

None are currrently 1st grade NRL coaches and none are likely to be again in the future.

None of those guys will ever be the head coach of an NRL club again
 
thats the problem we got these coaches because top quality Bellamy style coaches did not see a formula or structure for a hi quality organisation We are a apprenticeship Centre for big clubs
We jag the odd kid who doesn't escape from Campbelltown as a junior and go to top club

Wow we train on parramatta Rd Concord. We have bugger all 3rd party deal compared to Broncos dogs roosters
Player managers know we pay overs to get players so we get the odd diamond ?
This has bugger all to do with coaching We r the poorest club in Sydney area
For all our problems we r punching above our weight
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
Putting it all on the coaching is quite frankly a cop out. Our issues go way beyond team selections and game plans. How many coaches will this playing group have to fail under before some realise the coach might not be the problem? For some, the issues with JT are so personal it's ridiculous. A simple coaching change will not do jack for this team.

When a good coach fails here, then you might have a point, but so far it's been bargain basement coaches so it's hard to tell as you are talking about different standards. Sheens was a good coach for a while but he stayed too long.
But you are partly right. it's not JUST the Coach it's the whole club, Board and all
Some or all of the board will go soon So they'll be a change of personnel there. The CEO has changed, which has to be an improvement, but it's early days yet.
Other admin changes have been made. Hopefully mistakes that have been made with signings and retention won't keep on being made.

The players themselves include some that never should seen first grade, but have , because of Coaches mistakes or favouritism. Or just a lack of talent.
We thought that our injuries had been improved by the new medical staff, and Taylor has received credit from most of us for that, ( myself included) but we are now starting to see injuries making a hole in the team.maybe we just got lucky for awhile, but I'd rather hope it was because of the new staff.
The Board will never admit that they weren't up to it, and neither will the top ececutives of the club.
Whether we like it or not. JT will probably pay the price for his inability to spark any enthusiasm in the team or club, and his inability to inspire his troops or supporters.
So no it's not just the Coach. But the buck will probably stop there, and soon.
 
I blame Taylor for alot of our woes.

As head coach he needed to look at his squad and decide whether they are capable of executing his game plans and if not make replacements or adjustments to his tactics.
Looking around and noticing 2 x young flamboyant halves should tell him his not going to play a tough forward dominated game plan.
He failed to adjust.

He wants to play tight tough games and he failed to ask for a quality goal kicker.

In no mans land.
 
Taylor has inherited a desperate club salary cap
Farah 900k+ Lawrence hi cost who else would pay this. Roosters Broncos ?? I'm guessing woodsy would have nice contract that other clubs would not give that amount

The club can't get hi quality players that's the problem Again 3rd party deals r a problem we only get players that other clubs won't chase
Kev naq Halatau rankin Tim grant and we expect Taylor to perform. Which I think he has with squad we can manage to get
 

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