Confirmed: Matterson released from Wests Tigers.

[jirskyr]

It is not matto’s behaviour that makes the club unprofessional, it is our woeful reaction and the fact that everything is being played out in the media. Haven’t the leaks started again since Go’s departure?

What reaction do you expect, that's the real question. Tigers haven't played anything out in the media, but you literally cannot stop a player manager putting their side out. Tigers are being very professional by not officially saying anything, even though we would be well within our rights to publicly slag Matterson off and make all sorts of information public about how he has behaving.

What are the leaks you refer to, other than Matto? Since Go left, that is. Because Go was here when Cleary was moving on and that was an absolute media feast.

 

[jirskyr]

James Hooper Has Ripped Into Ryan Matterson Over His Contract Situation At The Tigers
ON TRIPLE M FOOTY

https://www.triplem.com.au/story/james-hooper-has-ripped-into-ryan-matterson-over-his-contract-situation-at-the-tigers-148214?fbclid=IwAR2davcudHJDxM2fWoCg4DmYtPvL7ZVgw5O7SprXS6nGRsoQMYG59HXjJxM


He stated the obvious.....Matterson is a turd

Hooper is as much of a turd as Matto is, takes one to know one. Both disgraceful humans.

 

[Tweed_Tiger]

Wonder if he really had all those concussion issues at the Roosters last year keeping him out of the game before he signed with us.

 

[jirskyr]

That may be so but it’s what’s left that is the big difference.
We lose much and gain little… Others replace like for like or even better

Just wait for a few contracts to clear up and it's back on again. The only thing that stops a club from spending is existing high investment, and we over-invested in players that the current coach doesn't want. That's our mistake, but also, if Cleary was still here, there's every chance he'd be using those players the way he planned. If you don't turn coaches over every 2 years then you can actually implement a long-term plan where you replace like for like or better. It may start as soon as 2020.

There's basically only been 1 signing round for Wests since Moses/Ted/Woods left and Brooks stayed. Madge is now working his way through the Cleary signings - the 1 and 2-year players have already been processed and either cut or re-signed.

It's like nobody has patience any more. I know the Tigers haven't played finals for ages but you can only look at the short-term context of who the club has right now. The coach has been there 1 year and hasn't even yet been able to select his own support staff, hasn't had any money available to do anything but the most rudimentary sigining in Jennings. We need to give Madge some time, then the money will come free in the next 1-2 seasons, then you might get your big signings.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

I had hopes at the end of this season that we were going somewhere and that within a couple of years we could let some overpaid players go and build a team around Brooks and Matterson. Now Matterson is leaving........I am tired of having my hopes dashed. I have opted not to renew my membership for 2020. I will not stop supporting the team, but I cannot keep copping this as a fan. Something has to change - so that this club is not seen by players and player managers as a place to earn some above value coin for nearly retiring players, or as a place where I can get a start and then move on to to a more 'fashionable' club. What needs to change is people's perceptions about who Wests Tigers are. How can this be changed? My personal view is we have to present an attractive proposition for players and their managers - eg powerful corporate support for the club that can offer third party agreements on par with teams like the Roosters, playing out of one venue that is both financially viable and comfortable for fans, high expectations for success driven by management and coaches, quality recruiting processes, excellent training facilities. We currently come up short in a number of these areas and until this changes we will struggle.

I really hope the club is looking at this feedback

If memberships slip then internal questions will be asked by the board.

If anyone tears up their membership over this twerp you need to have a good look look at yourselves .He's been given permission to talk to others which means he has one foot out the door his team are pi***d off with his attitude (never a good sign) his management team I would rate below Isaac Moses and other thing is he as good as everyone seems to be wetting their pants over NO!!!!!!

It’s not about Matterson it’s the message this club sends on a regular basis that we’re a soft touch. You start to question how we can ever get anywhere when we rollover time and time again. Anyone who looks half decent leaves - often while under contract. It gets a bit tired after a while.


Moses Suli
Tevita Tatola
Ryan Papenhuyzen
Josh Addo Car
Marty Taupau
Taniela paseka
Ryan Matterson
Mitchell Moses
Aaron woods
James Tedesco
Blake Austin
Curtis Sironen

All the above left or were let go by the Tigers are in their prime right now...sad state of affairs imo

Every club has a list like this, it's not just Tigers. It's pointless to fret over it because it will never change for any club - it's built into the sport and driven by salary cap.

That may be so but it's what's left that is the big difference.
We lose much and gain little... Others replace like for like or even better

This is the kicker Ink! You’ve hit the nail on the head.

All clubs lose players, but most of them get good or better ones in return. Canterbury, Parra, Newcastle... cripes even the bloody Gold Coast pick up some really good players after losing a couple of theirs. WT, on the other hand, usually have to make do with some fringe first grader or an older player past their prime from another team, or rely on one our young guys to come through for us and often they are just not ready for NRL at the time - they may never be.

If we end up losing Matterson and gaining no one of value yet again, then will just be going backwards and having to start all over again. Our team is weak as it is now, we cannot afford to lose our only real impact forward without getting someone as good or better in return.

People are talking about swapping Matterson with either Brimson or Arrow - Brimson would be our only hope I reckon, but I wouldn’t consider that to be an even swap. It’s just a continual bloody merry-go-round with us.

 

[trentrunciman]

these contractual issues will continue to happen to the tigers unless either the NRL intervene or the tigers progressively become a more successful club (where players will want to stay) but the latter will be more challenging as currently the NRL is top heavy and does not reward the struggling clubs with junior retention/player recruitment etc. Why would any star want to come to the tigers, titans, Newcastle etc when you ca play for a stable club and maximise your chances of playing representative football playing in a professional environment.

 

[Bathursttiger2]

Yeah, couldn't believe my eyes when reading some comments stating that we need to cut Chris and or even Benji to accommodate the whims of Matterson to keep him.

For the reported $350k next year (425 in 2021), I would definitely be playing the you're staying unless we get a good deal card for 2020 and he can either apologise to his teammates or mope around.

The guy is getting more than the average top squad player and signed up for probably 200% more than he was getting at the chooks last year, so has little basis to complain money wise. If there are other genuine reasons for Ryan to be unhappy, then they must be adequately addressed and a small upgrade arranged.

You would not save much by dropping Chris as he only wants $150K next year, and you have to replace him with someone else on minimum contract $100K.

 

[happy_tiger]

I had hopes at the end of this season that we were going somewhere and that within a couple of years we could let some overpaid players go and build a team around Brooks and Matterson. Now Matterson is leaving........I am tired of having my hopes dashed. I have opted not to renew my membership for 2020. I will not stop supporting the team, but I cannot keep copping this as a fan. Something has to change - so that this club is not seen by players and player managers as a place to earn some above value coin for nearly retiring players, or as a place where I can get a start and then move on to to a more 'fashionable' club. What needs to change is people's perceptions about who Wests Tigers are. How can this be changed? My personal view is we have to present an attractive proposition for players and their managers - eg powerful corporate support for the club that can offer third party agreements on par with teams like the Roosters, playing out of one venue that is both financially viable and comfortable for fans, high expectations for success driven by management and coaches, quality recruiting processes, excellent training facilities. We currently come up short in a number of these areas and until this changes we will struggle.

I really hope the club is looking at this feedback

If memberships slip then internal questions will be asked by the board.

If anyone tears up their membership over this twerp you need to have a good look look at yourselves .He's been given permission to talk to others which means he has one foot out the door his team are pi***d off with his attitude (never a good sign) his management team I would rate below Isaac Moses and other thing is he as good as everyone seems to be wetting their pants over NO!!!!!!

It’s not about Matterson it’s the message this club sends on a regular basis that we’re a soft touch. You start to question how we can ever get anywhere when we rollover time and time again. Anyone who looks half decent leaves - often while under contract. It gets a bit tired after a while.


Moses Suli
Tevita Tatola
Ryan Papenhuyzen
Josh Addo Car
Marty Taupau
Taniela paseka
Ryan Matterson
Mitchell Moses
Aaron woods
James Tedesco
Blake Austin
Curtis Sironen

All the above left or were let go by the Tigers are in their prime right now...sad state of affairs imo

Every club has a list like this, it's not just Tigers. It's pointless to fret over it because it will never change for any club - it's built into the sport and driven by salary cap.

That may be so but it's what's left that is the big difference.
We lose much and gain little... Others replace like for like or even better


This is the kicker Ink! You’ve hit the nail on the head.

All clubs lose players, but most of them get good or better ones in return. Canterbury, Parra, Newcastle... cripes even the bloody Gold Coast pick up some really good players after losing a couple of theirs. WT, on the other hand, usually have to make do with some fringe first grader or an older player past their prime from another team, or rely on one our young guys to come through for us and often they are just not ready for NRL at the time - they may never be.

If we end up losing Matterson and gaining no one of value yet again, then will just be going backwards and having to start all over again. Our team is weak as it is now, we cannot afford to lose our only real impact forward without getting someone as good or better in return.

People are talking about swapping Matterson with either Brimson or Arrow - Brimson would be our only hope I reckon, but I wouldn’t consider that to be an even swap. It’s just a continual bloody merry-go-round with us.

Yep rock bottom stumbles towards us

 

[Geo]

I'm not going for the Dogs Newcastle or the Titans even if they have better players...they still suck...

Yes Newy have played finals footy once later than us but have had 3 spoons in the meantime and chocked on a big fat donut this year with all their fantastic players..

Parra just got belted to duck egg with all their great guys..and the spoons too..

Grass is always greener..

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I'm relieved we have the opportunity to trade Matterson before we have to pay him a ridiculous amount of money to stay. Realistically, who is going to win us a big game Matterson or Brimson? Brimson is the player we need with X Factor whereas Matterson can be replaced with another big body at more reasonable cost, Eventually big $ for Matterson will put the Eels over the cap.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

@pawsandclaws1 as well as RCG and 750k for gutho . Add to that Sivo getting homesick in the off-season to the tune of 500k . And Blake would be on a quid as well .
Seriously though , people had Arthur as first coach fired this year , now all of a sudden after 1 good year they’re on the up and up . I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again , if Moses is who your hopes and dreams are hanging on then , you are in for a long , cold punch of reality to the face .
I can only imagine his thought process this time last year was like , “the eels ... haha they’re crap “.
Now all of a sudden he’s got that depression that is only cured by an eels jersey and 800k .

 

[851]

James Hooper Has Ripped Into Ryan Matterson Over His Contract Situation At The Tigers
ON TRIPLE M FOOTY

https://www.triplem.com.au/story/james-hooper-has-ripped-into-ryan-matterson-over-his-contract-situation-at-the-tigers-148214?fbclid=IwAR2davcudHJDxM2fWoCg4DmYtPvL7ZVgw5O7SprXS6nGRsoQMYG59HXjJxM

Definitely another club that has started all of this. Hopefully WT keeps denying him a release every time he asks unless a deal is reached in our favour.

POM stated that Parra started it, so he should be denied a trade to Parra for a start

 

[Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan]

I'm relieved we have the opportunity to trade Matterson before we have to pay him a ridiculous amount of money to stay. Realistically, who is going to win us a big game Matterson or Brimson? Brimson is the player we need with X Factor whereas Matterson can be replaced with another big body at more reasonable cost, Eventually big $ for Matterson will put the Eels over the cap.

To be fair, if he maintained his 2019 form into next year, we would've been offering him in the 700k+ area for a contract extension. That's the big kicker. The money was going to be given to him. Instead, he's moping around and can't wait 1-2 years to get it.

 

[Demps]

@jirskyr

1 Tedesco
2 Addo-Carr
3 Moses Suli
4 Esan Marsters
5 Kororibete
6 Blake Austin
7 Mitch Moses
8 Woods
9 Jeremy Marshall-King
10 Fifita
11 Sironen
12 Jesse Sue
13 Taupau

14 Nathan Brown
15 Taniela Paseka
16 Junior Tatola
17 Douehi

 

[851]

@jirskyr

1 Tedesco
2 Addo-Carr
3 Moses Suli
4 Esan Marsters
5 Kororibete
6 Blake Austin
7 Mitch Moses
8 Woods
9 Jeremy Marshall-King
10 Fifita
11 Sironen
12 Jesse Sue
13 Taupau

14 Nathan Brown
15 Taniela Paseka
16 Junior Tatola
17 Douehi

Paps, Seve, Blair

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

@jirskyr

1 Tedesco
2 Addo-Carr
3 Moses Suli
4 Esan Marsters
5 Kororibete
6 Blake Austin
7 Mitch Moses
8 Woods
9 Jeremy Marshall-King
10 Fifita
11 Sironen
12 Jesse Sue
13 Taupau

14 Nathan Brown
15 Taniela Paseka
16 Junior Tatola
17 Douehi

Paps, Seve,

With that team you would not only need the Rorters Sombrero ,Sharkies Beach Umbrella and Storms accounting team to keep them in the comp.
I think our problem is Rorters and Storm seem to buy who ever they want because of who they are then proceed to off load players to get under the cap because they seem to have players everyone is prepared to snap up.

 

[Properossi]

@Kazoo-Kid well if he does go he can keep the 30k a month

 

[Wounded_magpie]

Some good quotes/thoughts below from Messrs Brown and Tallis re Matterson situation.
Regardless to what level Matterson reaches he will forever be known for his unethical behaviour whilst at the Tigers;

“Ex-Newcastle coach Nathan Brown reckons clubs can’t win and there is no such thing as a good deal in rugby league anymore.
Brown argues that if a club signs a player for a little less than he could have commanded elsewhere and the player exceeds expectation, the player’s hand is soon out for more money.
But if you sign a player on big money and the player doesn’t aim up, the club is left to offload him and pay a fair whack of his wage to play at a rival club.
Brown went through it at the Knights and the Tigers are experiencing it with Ryan Matterson, who wants out of the club.
Brown has no doubt player agents hold too much power.
“A player goes to a club on what at that time is a great deal – well over-exceeds what his value is - and person X comes and taps him on the shoulder and says ‘I can get you $650,000 off this club’ and then it becomes a management nightmare for the coach,” he told Triple M.
“As an old bloke said to me recently, the game is morally bankrupt. There are no morals in the game at all.
“It’s just a nasty world at the moment, the business side of it.”
Gorden Tallis, a former teammate of Brown’s at St George, famously sat out the 1996 season at the Dragons - without pay - over a contract dispute.
He believes Matterson would soon change his attitude if offered the same arrangement.
“Show some spine. Make him sit on the sideline,” Tallis said.
“If you don’t like it here then sit it out. Clubs should say ‘we are standing behind the coach, the jersey, the club’.”
“It’s time the game takes a stand and showed some spine.”
Tallis believes all 16 clubs should come together on the issue and refuse to sign players looking to get out of contracts to chase big dollars elsewhere.
He said: “As soon as they get a better offer they walk out.
“We need clubs to get some power back and say ‘we’re not going to make a play for him’.
“Let him sit out a year.”

 

[tig_prmz]

Matterson has become a big villain in all this- there is surely to be a sit down interview explaining his side of things asking for sympathy bla bla

Seen this allll before..

Honestly don't give a crap anymore. NRL positions should always be based on performances so if Matterson is still in the top 10 forwards in our team then i'd still pick him

 

[newtiger]

@Wounded_magpie The problem is the players managers do have too much power, and that is exacerbated by them having inside information on Toddies dirty dealings at the Dogs.
That is why nothing came of the salary cap rorting scandal at Parra.
Nothing will change at the NRL unless V'andys has the canastas to rid the NRL of him.
Don't hold your breath.