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[AngryEmu]

MANLY has written to the NRL demanding immediate intervention over an anomaly which will threaten Brett Stewart's looming attempt to become the Sea Eagles greatest-ever tryscorer.
Stewart scored his 130th try last weekend against Gold Coast, passing the 129-mark set by Sea Eagles Immortal Bob Fulton.
But now comes the confusion.
Former Manly forward Steve Menzies hold the club's overall tryscoring record - but there are two different figures.
Statisticians claim Menzies scored 180 tries - 151 for Manly, 29 for the now defunct Northern Eagles.
Manly though say Menzies scored all his tries for one club, the Sea Eagles.
Throughout the Northern Eagles debacle, Menzies always held a Manly-based contract.
Stewart will probably pass the 151 mark next season.
The NRL has now been urged to step in and determine exactly how many tries Menzies scored for Manly.
"It's not right that Steve Menzies has one of the most magnificent records in the history of the game with a question mark over who he scored them for and who he played games for,'' said Manly director Peter Peters.
"In the eyes of every rugby league fan in Australia, 'Beaver' played his entire career in Australia with the Manly Sea Eagles.
"That is how it should be viewed and remembered and the NRL had an opportunity to right a wrong, which is something at the whim of statisticians.
"I know Brett Stewart will want to be the record-holder but, in his mind, the target is 181, now 152.''
Manly godfather Ken Arthurson added: "Beaver hasn't played for anyone else in Australia other than Manly.
"Manly even had the licence throughout the Northern Eagles era. All the tries and games Beaver had should be attributed to Manly.
"It's crazy he hasn't been given those tries and games as a Manly player. He was part of the Manly side of the Northern Eagles.''
There is also some confusion over how many games Menzies played. Records state 349\. Manly say they were all with the Sea Eagles.
Stats gurus though say he played 280 for Manly and 69 for the Northern Eagles.
Fox Sports head of stats, Ian Collis, said: "Steve Menzies played for two different clubs - Manly and Northern Eagles.
"That means he has two different sets of records. One for Manly, the other for the Northern Eagles.''
David Middleton, from League Information Services, also believes Menzies represented two clubs in the NRL.
"Whatever way you look at it, Steve Menzies played for two separate entities,'' Middleton said.
"The fact the Northern Eagles folded shouldn't make a difference. In my eyes Steve Menzies played for two different clubs in Australia.''

http://www.foxsports.com.au/league/confusion-reigns-over-manly-sea-eagles-try-record/story-e6frf3ou-1226684549424#.UfC5l43-Ebw

What a bunch of twats. So far up themselves that they can't even accept that they weren't in the comp for a couple of seasons.

 

[Newtown]

After Manly godfather Ken Arthurson's contribution to the sacking of Newtown from the premiership in 1983 and Manly's pillage of Western Suburbs in the 70's and 80's I don't think that Manly deserved to enter the competition after the Northern Eagles folded.

 

[Juro]

It's not like we count Balmain Tigers or Wests Magpies games in Wests Tigers players' records. Eg Hodgo played 49 games for the Magpies, scoring 147 points. Skando played 64 games for the Magpies, scoring 12 points. If Wests Tigers ever folded (perish the thought!) and the Magpies returned, their games for Wests Tigers should be kept separate from that of the Wests Magpies.

Manly Sea Eagles and Northern Eagles are separate entities. It was not simply a name change. It was a new club, formed by the merger of 2 existing clubs. Sure, Menzies was a great guy, a great player and a loyal player, but history shows he played for 2 different teams in the NRL.

 

[Tiger_Al]

Only Manly has the arrogance to even ask for this.

So by they're logic
- All Ex-North Sydney players? Do they're points go to the Bears???
- And if so what about all the tries Menzies scored with lead up work by a Ex-Bears player? How can that be a Manly try?

Every respected statistician has Northern Eagles as a seperate team, along with every sane rugby league fan.

Manly pull your head out of your arses!

 

[system]

MANLY has written to the NRL demanding immediate intervention over an anomaly which will threaten Brett Stewart's looming attempt to become the Sea Eagles greatest-ever tryscorer.
Stewart scored his 130th try last weekend against Gold Coast, passing the 129-mark set by Sea Eagles Immortal Bob Fulton.
But now comes the confusion.
Former Manly forward Steve Menzies hold the club's overall tryscoring record - but there are two different figures.
Statisticians claim Menzies scored 180 tries - 151 for Manly, 29 for the now defunct Northern Eagles.
Manly though say Menzies scored all his tries for one club, the Sea Eagles.
Throughout the Northern Eagles debacle, Menzies always held a Manly-based contract.
Stewart will probably pass the 151 mark next season.
The NRL has now been urged to step in and determine exactly how many tries Menzies scored for Manly.
"It's not right that Steve Menzies has one of the most magnificent records in the history of the game with a question mark over who he scored them for and who he played games for,'' said Manly director Peter Peters.
"In the eyes of every rugby league fan in Australia, 'Beaver' played his entire career in Australia with the Manly Sea Eagles.
"That is how it should be viewed and remembered and the NRL had an opportunity to right a wrong, which is something at the whim of statisticians.
"I know Brett Stewart will want to be the record-holder but, in his mind, the target is 181, now 152.''
Manly godfather Ken Arthurson added: "Beaver hasn't played for anyone else in Australia other than Manly.
"Manly even had the licence throughout the Northern Eagles era. All the tries and games Beaver had should be attributed to Manly.
"It's crazy he hasn't been given those tries and games as a Manly player. He was part of the Manly side of the Northern Eagles.''
There is also some confusion over how many games Menzies played. Records state 349\. Manly say they were all with the Sea Eagles.
Stats gurus though say he played 280 for Manly and 69 for the Northern Eagles.
Fox Sports head of stats, Ian Collis, said: "Steve Menzies played for two different clubs - Manly and Northern Eagles.
"That means he has two different sets of records. One for Manly, the other for the Northern Eagles.''
David Middleton, from League Information Services, also believes Menzies represented two clubs in the NRL.
"Whatever way you look at it, Steve Menzies played for two separate entities,'' Middleton said.
"The fact the Northern Eagles folded shouldn't make a difference. In my eyes Steve Menzies played for two different clubs in Australia.''

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What a bunch of twats. So far up themselves that they can't even accept that they weren't in the comp for a couple of seasons.

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[Juro]

Do Manly also want to take on all the other Northern Eagles stats? Win/Loss %? Crowd averages?

 

[cqtiger]

So we've won 16 premierships!
Balmain 11, Magpies 4, wests tigers 1

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[westTAHger]

the only confusion that reigns over Manly is;
why the hell are they still allowed in the comp.

nothing more to type as I will get banned.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

What a bunch of floggers. The greatest shame in the history of Rugby League (aside from the Melbourne Storm cheating disgrace) is the fact that Manly completely took over the Bears, it was never intended to be a merger-just a takeover.
How great would it be to have North Sydney Bears still in the comp and no Manly at all. Arrogant knobheads.

Now I know what that sign in the Manly crowd means: Push It Up Manly!

 

[alex]

"In the eyes of every rugby league fan in Australia, 'Beaver' played his entire career in Australia with the Manly Sea Eagles.

Nope. Not true.