Corona impact on NRL...?

[Fade.To.Black]

The only difference between this and any other flu is there’s no flu shot , so we all just have to rely on our immune systems

Respectfully, that's not correct. This virus is many times more infectious than the flu which is why it has already reached pandemic status.

You only need to see the total country lockdowns, travel bans, America declaring a state of emergency and the global financial markets collapsing to understand this is far more than just a flu.

The predictions of the experts are concerning. Do the maths: 20% of the population will likely get the disease - that's 5 million Australians. 20% of those will need hospital treatment - that's 1 million people (we only have 140,000 hospital beds in Australia). 3% of those 5 million could die - that's 150,000 potential deaths. Our health systems and morgues could not cope.

And that friends, is why you shouldn't go to the football this week and why the government has been recklessly slow in implementing measures to stop the spread. They're only just realising how bad this is and my concern is we've shut the gate after the horse had bolted.

I had a friend who was in Wuhan when this broke. Whilst China were irresponsible in how the handled the initial outbreak, I was staggered by what he said the authoritarian government did when they realised what they were dealing with. Barbed wire around buildings, compulsory masks, forced isolation - that's why they're now reducing numbers.

Point taken. But we shouldn't go to the footy yet we should still go to crowded shopping centres and workplaces? Buildings with thousands of people working in them, breathing recycled air-conditioning air, sharing lifts etc?
Banning some things but not others isn't going to make 1 iota of difference.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

you pay for simething it is faulty tou expect a refund. nrl should assist the club

Maybe free NRL memberships to stream? I'd hate the think the club has money pulled out of their coffers because of something unforeseen.

Surprise Another Lucker

Que?

Meant to say, “another lurker”... how would giving the free streams for their online platform help to reimburse clubs or even get the players (potentially in near future) their guaranteed earnings from TV rights broadcasts’ if they’re selfishly monopolising the monies in the wake of an apparently pandemic virus.

What if Fox has to actually shut down the workplace? No more televising.

How will KAYO or the game itself stay afloat?

Could be a very bad look for them to shirk responsibility like that, at this time. More of a 1 in, all in approach is suitable here and I think that means more than covering THEIR asses

It was just a suggestion. No need to go to town on me. Just ways for the NRL to recompense fans is all.

Sorry mate. You’re right I was perhaps a little careless with my words when passing my opinion, today has had some information passed to me that leads me to believe there is far, far more yet to play out regarding Corona.

As a you g man you’d think I wouldn’t be so worried but unfortunately that’s just the weight of the world at the moment. Have a nice night!

All good mate. No hard feelings. I'm in a high risk group but I choose to see it as I'm in borrowed time anyway and we aren't guaranteed safety so may as well have fun as long as I'm not careless.

Pretty good attitude to have mate. There is no need to be silly about this, follow the advice that is given and enjoy life. I have seen my 6 year old's anxiety level increase over this and I'd much prefer to stay calm and enjoy my life and have her do the same!

I've always had to adopt that attitude. But it really is right. Keep your extremities clean and everything else will be OK. I am saddened that kids think they will die over this. The Victor Chang CRI have stated that kids with or without heart impairment have much better survival rates than adults.


Isn’t it like 0.2% glocally for anyone under 30 to die . 2-5% for under 50 , and like 20% over 65 ?

I have chronic heart disease, born with it and will die with it (and probably because of it.)

Ok ??? So make sure everyone around you is taking care. I’m merely saying , that people are carrying on . The only difference between this and any other flu is there’s no flu shot , so we all just have to rely on our immune systems .

There’s 133k “Reported” cases and 8k deaths, most of those being above 65, and in places like China,the US And Italy with really crap Public health care.
Considering there’s 1billion people in China 1/2 a billion in US and 250 mil in Italy , stop the panic . If you get it , it’s not SARS , you’re probably not going to die or even need more than the most basic health care . So just relax ! Take 2 weeks off, and bring the noise down to a minimum

That's my take on it too Strongee. Just do what you can do and hope everyone else does their bit too. More people have the virus above those reported and confirmed cases and are fine. I don't think it's going to be the Spanish flu, I do believe the death rate in Australia will be less than that of the common flu.

SARS only killed 700 odd people and that was meant to be the end times. What a beat up that was.

SARS was hectic , I don’t really remember it though . I was listening to a podcast where the expert said the reason this Is Bigger compared to SARS is , it’s the perfect storm of a pretty contagious anD and pretty deadly, whereas SARS was very deadly but not as contagious . So the virus died out , because people did straight away ie. it couldn’t spread because anyone who got it died pretty quickly.
But still relax !

 

[NT_Tiger]

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

Should be compulsory reading but too many believe they know better and there's nothing to worry about.

This virus is already changing the world and it will get a lot worse before it gets better. People have to decide whether they want to be part of the problem or part of the solution. Frankly I don't think the response has been strong or fast enough.

Think the bloke that wrote that article has been watching too many end-of-the-world movies IMO. Healthcare workers will collapse and die from exhaustion?
We will see. Sounds like that bloke should maroon himself on an island for a few years to sit Armageddon out.

Re health care workers; I watched an interview recently where it was reported that in Milan health care staff, working in the corona virus wards were not being monitored and had too keep working even if they had the virus.

 

[happy_tiger]

The only difference between this and any other flu is there’s no flu shot , so we all just have to rely on our immune systems

Respectfully, that's not correct. This virus is many times more infectious than the flu which is why it has already reached pandemic status.

You only need to see the total country lockdowns, travel bans, America declaring a state of emergency and the global financial markets collapsing to understand this is far more than just a flu.

The predictions of the experts are concerning. Do the maths: 20% of the population will likely get the disease - that's 5 million Australians. 20% of those will need hospital treatment - that's 1 million people (we only have 140,000 hospital beds in Australia). 3% of those 5 million could die - that's 150,000 potential deaths. Our health systems and morgues could not cope.

And that friends, is why you shouldn't go to the football this week and why the government has been recklessly slow in implementing measures to stop the spread. They're only just realising how bad this is and my concern is we've shut the gate after the horse had bolted.

I had a friend who was in Wuhan when this broke. Whilst China were irresponsible in how the handled the initial outbreak, I was staggered by what he said the authoritarian government did when they realised what they were dealing with. Barbed wire around buildings, compulsory masks, forced isolation - that's why they're now reducing numbers.

I’m not debating any other that mate . You’re numbers are exaggerated though , but that’s semantics , and I get it , as it rams your point home .
I’m saying for the most part , stop the panicking , follow what the authorities have said , don’t go to public places , wash your hands etc.
And more than likely you’ll be fine .

People are acting crazy mate . 10 years ago in another life , I spent 9 months in a place most people, will never see . With threats all around you. We followe our due dilligence . Did our check but for the most part , went about our day as normal as we could .
Relaxing is not apathy or complacency. And it actually leads to more coherent and thought about decisions as you’re minimising the amount of emotion is influencing these decisions . That’s all I’m saying. The TP shortage is case in point . It’s embarrassing and honestly frightening, because of how feral everyone gets in a crisis .

The NSW Govt itself is predicting 1.2 -1.5 million NSWmen to get it

On those numbers 5-7 million Australians get it

If people think that 1.2 is all going to happen over a two week period and then all stop in that same 2 week window

How do you get to work .....do you go to the shops ...do your kids go to school ...do you have elderly parents or Grandparents who need help

When was the last time you were at hospital ...how long did you wait under normal conditions ......we could operate off power shedding ..you may lose power for up to 6 hours a day

I'm not worried for myself or my kids ....we will get through it .......but many of us have elderly parents / grandparents /friends etc ...if they get it they may not be lucky

What is happening in Italy could end up happening here ...write it off to your own possibly demise

 

[Deleted member 3518]

The only difference between this and any other flu is there’s no flu shot , so we all just have to rely on our immune systems

Respectfully, that's not correct. This virus is many times more infectious than the flu which is why it has already reached pandemic status.

You only need to see the total country lockdowns, travel bans, America declaring a state of emergency and the global financial markets collapsing to understand this is far more than just a flu.

The predictions of the experts are concerning. Do the maths: 20% of the population will likely get the disease - that's 5 million Australians. 20% of those will need hospital treatment - that's 1 million people (we only have 140,000 hospital beds in Australia). 3% of those 5 million could die - that's 150,000 potential deaths. Our health systems and morgues could not cope.

And that friends, is why you shouldn't go to the football this week and why the government has been recklessly slow in implementing measures to stop the spread. They're only just realising how bad this is and my concern is we've shut the gate after the horse had bolted.

I had a friend who was in Wuhan when this broke. Whilst China were irresponsible in how the handled the initial outbreak, I was staggered by what he said the authoritarian government did when they realised what they were dealing with. Barbed wire around buildings, compulsory masks, forced isolation - that's why they're now reducing numbers.

I’m not debating any other that mate . You’re numbers are exaggerated though , but that’s semantics , and I get it , as it rams your point home .
I’m saying for the most part , stop the panicking , follow what the authorities have said , don’t go to public places , wash your hands etc.
And more than likely you’ll be fine .

People are acting crazy mate . 10 years ago in another life , I spent 9 months in a place most people, will never see . With threats all around you. We followe our due dilligence . Did our check but for the most part , went about our day as normal as we could .
Relaxing is not apathy or complacency. And it actually leads to more coherent and thought about decisions as you’re minimising the amount of emotion is influencing these decisions . That’s all I’m saying. The TP shortage is case in point . It’s embarrassing and honestly frightening, because of how feral everyone gets in a crisis .

The NSW Govt itself is predicting 1.2 -1.5 million NSWmen to get it

On those numbers 5-7 million Australians get it

If people think that 1.2 is all going to happen over a two week period and then all stop in that same 2 week window

How do you get to work .....do you go to the shops ...do your kids go to school ...do you have elderly parents or Grandparents who need help

When was the last time you were at hospital ...how long did you wait under normal conditions ......we could operate off power shedding ..you may lose power for up to 6 hours a day

I'm not worried for myself or my kids ....we will get through it .......but many of us have elderly parents / grandparents /friends etc ...if they get it they may not be lucky

What is happening in Italy could end up happening here ...write it off to your own possibly demise

If you’re not going to read what I wrote don’t reply to me ! None of what you said is at all relevant . I’m merely talking specifically about 1 thing . Panicking! And how it adds nothing and is actually counter intuitive.
Be vigilant , stay safe . But relax . That’s it. You want to quote numbers and statistics to prove your point . That’s fine . I just refuse to live life as glass half empty.
I know how I go in a true crisis . And I go alright . When I’m relaxed . When I’m heightened . I make poor decisions .
If you want to focus on the fact , you or someone you love has a less than 3% chance to die . That’s fine . I’d rather focus on the more likely 97% chance you’ll be fine .

 

[happy_tiger]

The only difference between this and any other flu is there’s no flu shot , so we all just have to rely on our immune systems

Respectfully, that's not correct. This virus is many times more infectious than the flu which is why it has already reached pandemic status.

You only need to see the total country lockdowns, travel bans, America declaring a state of emergency and the global financial markets collapsing to understand this is far more than just a flu.

The predictions of the experts are concerning. Do the maths: 20% of the population will likely get the disease - that's 5 million Australians. 20% of those will need hospital treatment - that's 1 million people (we only have 140,000 hospital beds in Australia). 3% of those 5 million could die - that's 150,000 potential deaths. Our health systems and morgues could not cope.

And that friends, is why you shouldn't go to the football this week and why the government has been recklessly slow in implementing measures to stop the spread. They're only just realising how bad this is and my concern is we've shut the gate after the horse had bolted.

I had a friend who was in Wuhan when this broke. Whilst China were irresponsible in how the handled the initial outbreak, I was staggered by what he said the authoritarian government did when they realised what they were dealing with. Barbed wire around buildings, compulsory masks, forced isolation - that's why they're now reducing numbers.

I’m not debating any other that mate . You’re numbers are exaggerated though , but that’s semantics , and I get it , as it rams your point home .
I’m saying for the most part , stop the panicking , follow what the authorities have said , don’t go to public places , wash your hands etc.
And more than likely you’ll be fine .

People are acting crazy mate . 10 years ago in another life , I spent 9 months in a place most people, will never see . With threats all around you. We followe our due dilligence . Did our check but for the most part , went about our day as normal as we could .
Relaxing is not apathy or complacency. And it actually leads to more coherent and thought about decisions as you’re minimising the amount of emotion is influencing these decisions . That’s all I’m saying. The TP shortage is case in point . It’s embarrassing and honestly frightening, because of how feral everyone gets in a crisis .

The NSW Govt itself is predicting 1.2 -1.5 million NSWmen to get it

On those numbers 5-7 million Australians get it

If people think that 1.2 is all going to happen over a two week period and then all stop in that same 2 week window

How do you get to work .....do you go to the shops ...do your kids go to school ...do you have elderly parents or Grandparents who need help

When was the last time you were at hospital ...how long did you wait under normal conditions ......we could operate off power shedding ..you may lose power for up to 6 hours a day

I'm not worried for myself or my kids ....we will get through it .......but many of us have elderly parents / grandparents /friends etc ...if they get it they may not be lucky

What is happening in Italy could end up happening here ...write it off to your own possibly demise

If you’re not going to read what I wrote don’t reply to me ! None of what you said is at all relevant . I’m merely talking specifically about 1 thing . Panicking! And how it adds nothing and is actually counter intuitive.
Be vigilant , stay safe . But relax . That’s it. You want to quote numbers and statistics to prove your point . That’s fine . I just refuse to live life as glass half empty.
I know how I go in a true crisis . And I go alright . When I’m relaxed . When I’m heightened . I make poor decisions .
If you want to focus on the fact , you or someone you love has a less than 3% chance to die . That’s fine . I’d rather focus on the more likely 97% chance you’ll be fine .

Not relevant to you I guess ...relevant to many others

 

[Deleted member 3518]

The only difference between this and any other flu is there’s no flu shot , so we all just have to rely on our immune systems

Respectfully, that's not correct. This virus is many times more infectious than the flu which is why it has already reached pandemic status.

You only need to see the total country lockdowns, travel bans, America declaring a state of emergency and the global financial markets collapsing to understand this is far more than just a flu.

The predictions of the experts are concerning. Do the maths: 20% of the population will likely get the disease - that's 5 million Australians. 20% of those will need hospital treatment - that's 1 million people (we only have 140,000 hospital beds in Australia). 3% of those 5 million could die - that's 150,000 potential deaths. Our health systems and morgues could not cope.

And that friends, is why you shouldn't go to the football this week and why the government has been recklessly slow in implementing measures to stop the spread. They're only just realising how bad this is and my concern is we've shut the gate after the horse had bolted.

I had a friend who was in Wuhan when this broke. Whilst China were irresponsible in how the handled the initial outbreak, I was staggered by what he said the authoritarian government did when they realised what they were dealing with. Barbed wire around buildings, compulsory masks, forced isolation - that's why they're now reducing numbers.

I’m not debating any other that mate . You’re numbers are exaggerated though , but that’s semantics , and I get it , as it rams your point home .
I’m saying for the most part , stop the panicking , follow what the authorities have said , don’t go to public places , wash your hands etc.
And more than likely you’ll be fine .

People are acting crazy mate . 10 years ago in another life , I spent 9 months in a place most people, will never see . With threats all around you. We followe our due dilligence . Did our check but for the most part , went about our day as normal as we could .
Relaxing is not apathy or complacency. And it actually leads to more coherent and thought about decisions as you’re minimising the amount of emotion is influencing these decisions . That’s all I’m saying. The TP shortage is case in point . It’s embarrassing and honestly frightening, because of how feral everyone gets in a crisis .

The NSW Govt itself is predicting 1.2 -1.5 million NSWmen to get it

On those numbers 5-7 million Australians get it

If people think that 1.2 is all going to happen over a two week period and then all stop in that same 2 week window

How do you get to work .....do you go to the shops ...do your kids go to school ...do you have elderly parents or Grandparents who need help

When was the last time you were at hospital ...how long did you wait under normal conditions ......we could operate off power shedding ..you may lose power for up to 6 hours a day

I'm not worried for myself or my kids ....we will get through it .......but many of us have elderly parents / grandparents /friends etc ...if they get it they may not be lucky

What is happening in Italy could end up happening here ...write it off to your own possibly demise

If you’re not going to read what I wrote don’t reply to me ! None of what you said is at all relevant . I’m merely talking specifically about 1 thing . Panicking! And how it adds nothing and is actually counter intuitive.
Be vigilant , stay safe . But relax . That’s it. You want to quote numbers and statistics to prove your point . That’s fine . I just refuse to live life as glass half empty.
I know how I go in a true crisis . And I go alright . When I’m relaxed . When I’m heightened . I make poor decisions .
If you want to focus on the fact , you or someone you love has a less than 3% chance to die . That’s fine . I’d rather focus on the more likely 97% chance you’ll be fine .

Not relevant to you I guess ...relevant to many others

Not relevant to the point I’m making.
1. Relaxing is not “apathy” ie. not giving a crap or being lazy
2. Panicking and carrying on , actually makes things worse.
3. Follow all processes and protocols and you will , just by statistics , be more than likely fine .
4. If you think you or someone you love is not fine get em to the hospital .
Otherwise chill out and stop perpetuating drama . And that’s world wide. Be vigilant . Stay safe . Get on with it .

 

[happy_tiger]

The only difference between this and any other flu is there’s no flu shot , so we all just have to rely on our immune systems

Respectfully, that's not correct. This virus is many times more infectious than the flu which is why it has already reached pandemic status.

You only need to see the total country lockdowns, travel bans, America declaring a state of emergency and the global financial markets collapsing to understand this is far more than just a flu.

The predictions of the experts are concerning. Do the maths: 20% of the population will likely get the disease - that's 5 million Australians. 20% of those will need hospital treatment - that's 1 million people (we only have 140,000 hospital beds in Australia). 3% of those 5 million could die - that's 150,000 potential deaths. Our health systems and morgues could not cope.

And that friends, is why you shouldn't go to the football this week and why the government has been recklessly slow in implementing measures to stop the spread. They're only just realising how bad this is and my concern is we've shut the gate after the horse had bolted.

I had a friend who was in Wuhan when this broke. Whilst China were irresponsible in how the handled the initial outbreak, I was staggered by what he said the authoritarian government did when they realised what they were dealing with. Barbed wire around buildings, compulsory masks, forced isolation - that's why they're now reducing numbers.

I’m not debating any other that mate . You’re numbers are exaggerated though , but that’s semantics , and I get it , as it rams your point home .
I’m saying for the most part , stop the panicking , follow what the authorities have said , don’t go to public places , wash your hands etc.
And more than likely you’ll be fine .

People are acting crazy mate . 10 years ago in another life , I spent 9 months in a place most people, will never see . With threats all around you. We followe our due dilligence . Did our check but for the most part , went about our day as normal as we could .
Relaxing is not apathy or complacency. And it actually leads to more coherent and thought about decisions as you’re minimising the amount of emotion is influencing these decisions . That’s all I’m saying. The TP shortage is case in point . It’s embarrassing and honestly frightening, because of how feral everyone gets in a crisis .

The NSW Govt itself is predicting 1.2 -1.5 million NSWmen to get it

On those numbers 5-7 million Australians get it

If people think that 1.2 is all going to happen over a two week period and then all stop in that same 2 week window

How do you get to work .....do you go to the shops ...do your kids go to school ...do you have elderly parents or Grandparents who need help

When was the last time you were at hospital ...how long did you wait under normal conditions ......we could operate off power shedding ..you may lose power for up to 6 hours a day

I'm not worried for myself or my kids ....we will get through it .......but many of us have elderly parents / grandparents /friends etc ...if they get it they may not be lucky

What is happening in Italy could end up happening here ...write it off to your own possibly demise

If you’re not going to read what I wrote don’t reply to me ! None of what you said is at all relevant . I’m merely talking specifically about 1 thing . Panicking! And how it adds nothing and is actually counter intuitive.
Be vigilant , stay safe . But relax . That’s it. You want to quote numbers and statistics to prove your point . That’s fine . I just refuse to live life as glass half empty.
I know how I go in a true crisis . And I go alright . When I’m relaxed . When I’m heightened . I make poor decisions .
If you want to focus on the fact , you or someone you love has a less than 3% chance to die . That’s fine . I’d rather focus on the more likely 97% chance you’ll be fine .

Not relevant to you I guess ...relevant to many others


Not relevant to the point I’m making.
1. Relaxing is not “apathy” ie. not giving a crap or being lazy
2. Panicking and carrying on , actually makes things worse.
3. Follow all processes and protocols and you will , just by statistics , be more than likely fine .
4. If you think you or someone you love is not fine get em to the hospital .
Otherwise chill out and stop perpetuating drama . And that’s world wide. Be vigilant . Stay safe . Get on with it .

My point is you will probably be OK and so will I probably

How many elderly family members do you have if they get it are far greater risk

I know how many I have and if everyone rushes those family members to their local hospitals (as you suggested ) the hospital system will crash it barely copes day to day without any problems

And when the Hospital crash all the other problems will increase ....staph infections etc ....last June we ran out the tablets taken for staph infections nation wide .. so what happened ..our hospitals had to take those who didn't have access to tablets on to keep them on IV meds

 

[Deleted member 3518]

The only difference between this and any other flu is there’s no flu shot , so we all just have to rely on our immune systems

Respectfully, that's not correct. This virus is many times more infectious than the flu which is why it has already reached pandemic status.

You only need to see the total country lockdowns, travel bans, America declaring a state of emergency and the global financial markets collapsing to understand this is far more than just a flu.

The predictions of the experts are concerning. Do the maths: 20% of the population will likely get the disease - that's 5 million Australians. 20% of those will need hospital treatment - that's 1 million people (we only have 140,000 hospital beds in Australia). 3% of those 5 million could die - that's 150,000 potential deaths. Our health systems and morgues could not cope.

And that friends, is why you shouldn't go to the football this week and why the government has been recklessly slow in implementing measures to stop the spread. They're only just realising how bad this is and my concern is we've shut the gate after the horse had bolted.

I had a friend who was in Wuhan when this broke. Whilst China were irresponsible in how the handled the initial outbreak, I was staggered by what he said the authoritarian government did when they realised what they were dealing with. Barbed wire around buildings, compulsory masks, forced isolation - that's why they're now reducing numbers.

I’m not debating any other that mate . You’re numbers are exaggerated though , but that’s semantics , and I get it , as it rams your point home .
I’m saying for the most part , stop the panicking , follow what the authorities have said , don’t go to public places , wash your hands etc.
And more than likely you’ll be fine .

People are acting crazy mate . 10 years ago in another life , I spent 9 months in a place most people, will never see . With threats all around you. We followe our due dilligence . Did our check but for the most part , went about our day as normal as we could .
Relaxing is not apathy or complacency. And it actually leads to more coherent and thought about decisions as you’re minimising the amount of emotion is influencing these decisions . That’s all I’m saying. The TP shortage is case in point . It’s embarrassing and honestly frightening, because of how feral everyone gets in a crisis .

The NSW Govt itself is predicting 1.2 -1.5 million NSWmen to get it

On those numbers 5-7 million Australians get it

If people think that 1.2 is all going to happen over a two week period and then all stop in that same 2 week window

How do you get to work .....do you go to the shops ...do your kids go to school ...do you have elderly parents or Grandparents who need help

When was the last time you were at hospital ...how long did you wait under normal conditions ......we could operate off power shedding ..you may lose power for up to 6 hours a day

I'm not worried for myself or my kids ....we will get through it .......but many of us have elderly parents / grandparents /friends etc ...if they get it they may not be lucky

What is happening in Italy could end up happening here ...write it off to your own possibly demise

If you’re not going to read what I wrote don’t reply to me ! None of what you said is at all relevant . I’m merely talking specifically about 1 thing . Panicking! And how it adds nothing and is actually counter intuitive.
Be vigilant , stay safe . But relax . That’s it. You want to quote numbers and statistics to prove your point . That’s fine . I just refuse to live life as glass half empty.
I know how I go in a true crisis . And I go alright . When I’m relaxed . When I’m heightened . I make poor decisions .
If you want to focus on the fact , you or someone you love has a less than 3% chance to die . That’s fine . I’d rather focus on the more likely 97% chance you’ll be fine .

Not relevant to you I guess ...relevant to many others


Not relevant to the point I’m making.
1. Relaxing is not “apathy” ie. not giving a crap or being lazy
2. Panicking and carrying on , actually makes things worse.
3. Follow all processes and protocols and you will , just by statistics , be more than likely fine .
4. If you think you or someone you love is not fine get em to the hospital .
Otherwise chill out and stop perpetuating drama . And that’s world wide. Be vigilant . Stay safe . Get on with it .

My point is you will probably be OK and so will I probably

How many elderly family members do you have if they get it are far greater risk

I know how many I have and if everyone rushes those family members to their local hospitals (as you suggested ) the hospital system will crash it barely copes day to day without any problems

And when the Hospital crash all the other problems will increase ....staph infections etc ....last June we ran out the tablets taken for staph infections nation wide .. so what happened ..our hospitals had to take those who didn't have access to tablets on to keep them on IV meds

So how does panicking solve that scenario ? Also you’re acting like it’s the Black Plague? As in like everyone is going to require ER ? So people have to share bedrooms . They have to sleep on stretchers . Defence force doctors are called in to cope with demand . What’s the problem ? You might have to limit your tv time . Maybe you’ll have to go for a drive to another hospital . At no point is that a time for panic .

 

[happy_tiger]

The only difference between this and any other flu is there’s no flu shot , so we all just have to rely on our immune systems

Respectfully, that's not correct. This virus is many times more infectious than the flu which is why it has already reached pandemic status.

You only need to see the total country lockdowns, travel bans, America declaring a state of emergency and the global financial markets collapsing to understand this is far more than just a flu.

The predictions of the experts are concerning. Do the maths: 20% of the population will likely get the disease - that's 5 million Australians. 20% of those will need hospital treatment - that's 1 million people (we only have 140,000 hospital beds in Australia). 3% of those 5 million could die - that's 150,000 potential deaths. Our health systems and morgues could not cope.

And that friends, is why you shouldn't go to the football this week and why the government has been recklessly slow in implementing measures to stop the spread. They're only just realising how bad this is and my concern is we've shut the gate after the horse had bolted.

I had a friend who was in Wuhan when this broke. Whilst China were irresponsible in how the handled the initial outbreak, I was staggered by what he said the authoritarian government did when they realised what they were dealing with. Barbed wire around buildings, compulsory masks, forced isolation - that's why they're now reducing numbers.

I’m not debating any other that mate . You’re numbers are exaggerated though , but that’s semantics , and I get it , as it rams your point home .
I’m saying for the most part , stop the panicking , follow what the authorities have said , don’t go to public places , wash your hands etc.
And more than likely you’ll be fine .

People are acting crazy mate . 10 years ago in another life , I spent 9 months in a place most people, will never see . With threats all around you. We followe our due dilligence . Did our check but for the most part , went about our day as normal as we could .
Relaxing is not apathy or complacency. And it actually leads to more coherent and thought about decisions as you’re minimising the amount of emotion is influencing these decisions . That’s all I’m saying. The TP shortage is case in point . It’s embarrassing and honestly frightening, because of how feral everyone gets in a crisis .

The NSW Govt itself is predicting 1.2 -1.5 million NSWmen to get it

On those numbers 5-7 million Australians get it

If people think that 1.2 is all going to happen over a two week period and then all stop in that same 2 week window

How do you get to work .....do you go to the shops ...do your kids go to school ...do you have elderly parents or Grandparents who need help

When was the last time you were at hospital ...how long did you wait under normal conditions ......we could operate off power shedding ..you may lose power for up to 6 hours a day

I'm not worried for myself or my kids ....we will get through it .......but many of us have elderly parents / grandparents /friends etc ...if they get it they may not be lucky

What is happening in Italy could end up happening here ...write it off to your own possibly demise

If you’re not going to read what I wrote don’t reply to me ! None of what you said is at all relevant . I’m merely talking specifically about 1 thing . Panicking! And how it adds nothing and is actually counter intuitive.
Be vigilant , stay safe . But relax . That’s it. You want to quote numbers and statistics to prove your point . That’s fine . I just refuse to live life as glass half empty.
I know how I go in a true crisis . And I go alright . When I’m relaxed . When I’m heightened . I make poor decisions .
If you want to focus on the fact , you or someone you love has a less than 3% chance to die . That’s fine . I’d rather focus on the more likely 97% chance you’ll be fine .

Not relevant to you I guess ...relevant to many others


Not relevant to the point I’m making.
1. Relaxing is not “apathy” ie. not giving a crap or being lazy
2. Panicking and carrying on , actually makes things worse.
3. Follow all processes and protocols and you will , just by statistics , be more than likely fine .
4. If you think you or someone you love is not fine get em to the hospital .
Otherwise chill out and stop perpetuating drama . And that’s world wide. Be vigilant . Stay safe . Get on with it .

My point is you will probably be OK and so will I probably

How many elderly family members do you have if they get it are far greater risk

I know how many I have and if everyone rushes those family members to their local hospitals (as you suggested ) the hospital system will crash it barely copes day to day without any problems

And when the Hospital crash all the other problems will increase ....staph infections etc ....last June we ran out the tablets taken for staph infections nation wide .. so what happened ..our hospitals had to take those who didn't have access to tablets on to keep them on IV meds

So how does panicking solve that scenario ? Also you’re acting like it’s the Black Plague? As in like everyone is going to require ER ? So people have to share bedrooms . They have to sleep on stretchers . Defence force doctors are called in to cope with demand . What’s the problem ? You might have to limit your tv time . Maybe you’ll have to go for a drive to another hospital . At no point is that a time for panic .

I think you need to look at how many beds that we have nationally in ALL hospitals ...closest hospital is an 1 1/2 hours and is basically feeder hospital for CQ anyway Bundaberg is the feeder hospital for Wide Bay Burnett area

How many Army Doctors do we have ...how many hospitals do we have to deal with maybe 20 times the normal patient rate

I'm happy for you that you are relaxed ...but for many people they need to be ultra prepared and I don't think you or others that are talking this down should be doing so ...your talk is possibly causing issues for others

It was like the person the other day who was speaking as if they understood fully how the treatment for CV would work and the told people just go to the hospital ......when they are telling ANYONE who think they have the virus to ring their local surgery / hospital 1st

I want to be prepared for the worst case scenario and don't know how I would cope if I brought the virus home and it effected anyone around me

 

[jirskyr]

Strongee has a point - the more mental people go over these next few weeks/months, the worse off we all are.

They might be talking 1.5M contracting COVID-19, over what timeframe I'm not clear, but ultimately we'll probably all get some form of it or another, if it becomes seasonal. Some coronaviruses are already quite common.

I said before, I have been working for several months on an RSV vaccine - another virus, not nearly as contagious or deadly as COVID-19 (so far) but still serious for kids and elderly. The US CDC estimates that several hundred kids and about 14K adults die in US from RSV every year, a little less than 1% mortality rate, and nearly 100% of the population has been exposed to RSV at some point in their lives.

And most folks have never heard of RSV.

So I think the main point at the moment is to try and slow the spread and quell panic, because we can't have everyone descending on the hospitals they way they've murdered the toilet paper.

The 3% fatality rate hasn't settled - I'm not an epidemiologist, like I've said before, and obviously the volume of data is growing very rapidly, but it's still highly variable and difficult to qualify as well as quantify. By qualify, I mean exactly how confident are we in the data coming out of Iran or China, and what does that data actually mean for other countries, especially ones that are systemically and culturally potentially very very different from China or Iran.

So the best thing can do is be calm and careful. Take just the essentials you need, I cannot understand this hoarding of flour and pasta and bog roll, because you are just stealing from your fellow man. The minute you "only look out for yourself and family", then everything really does go to hell, because the world isn't built for hoarding - the world cannot accommodate hoarding, we simply don't have the resources for 7B people to all accumulate and hide more than they need.

And I don't know what these people are expecting either. Even if we got to the worst-possible scenario of total lock-down, they'd still have the army or police distributing essentials to everyone, like you would do in a acute crisis like flood or earthquake or bushfire. Didn't hear about anyone starving during the bushfires, nor anyone having to poop without some paper nearby. Buy only what you need for modest short-term and let everyone else get their fair lot.

I just can't imagine the poor elderly or lonely at this time, what they are supposed to do when families of fat idiots are racing to stores and panic-buying up all the stuff. That's the true heart of the problem right now, not cancelling footy or concerts.

 

[Fade.To.Black]

Strongee has a point - the more mental people go over these next few weeks/months, the worse off we all are.

They might be talking 1.5M contracting COVID-19, over what timeframe I'm not clear, but ultimately we'll probably all get some form of it or another, if it becomes seasonal. Some coronaviruses are already quite common.

I said before, I have been working for several months on an RSV vaccine - another virus, not nearly as contagious or deadly as COVID-19 (so far) but still serious for kids and elderly. The US CDC estimates that several hundred kids and about 14K adults die in US from RSV every year, a little less than 1% mortality rate, and nearly 100% of the population has been exposed to RSV at some point in their lives.

And most folks have never heard of RSV.

So I think the main point at the moment is to try and slow the spread and quell panic, because we can't have everyone descending on the hospitals they way they've murdered the toilet paper.

The 3% fatality rate hasn't settled - I'm not an epidemiologist, like I've said before, and obviously the volume of data is growing very rapidly, but it's still highly variable and difficult to qualify as well as quantify. By qualify, I mean exactly how confident are we in the data coming out of Iran or China, and what does that data actually mean for other countries, especially ones that are systemically and culturally potentially very very different from China or Iran.

So the best thing can do is be calm and careful. Take just the essentials you need, I cannot understand this hoarding of flour and pasta and bog roll, because you are just stealing from your fellow man. The minute you "only look out for yourself and family", then everything really does go to hell, because the world isn't built for hoarding - the world cannot accommodate hoarding, we simply don't have the resources for 7B people to all accumulate and hide more than they need.

And I don't know what these people are expecting either. Even if we got to the worst-possible scenario of total lock-down, they'd still have the army or police distributing essentials to everyone, like you would do in a acute crisis like flood or earthquake or bushfire. Didn't hear about anyone starving during the bushfires, nor anyone having to poop without some paper nearby. Buy only what you need for modest short-term and let everyone else get their fair lot.

I just can't imagine the poor elderly or lonely at this time, what they are supposed to do when families of fat idiots are racing to stores and panic-buying up all the stuff. That's the true heart of the problem right now, not cancelling footy or concerts.

Well said mate. Best post.

 

[happy_tiger]

Strongee has a point - the more mental people go over these next few weeks/months, the worse off we all are.

They might be talking 1.5M contracting COVID-19, over what timeframe I'm not clear, but ultimately we'll probably all get some form of it or another, if it becomes seasonal. Some coronaviruses are already quite common.

I said before, I have been working for several months on an RSV vaccine - another virus, not nearly as contagious or deadly as COVID-19 (so far) but still serious for kids and elderly. The US CDC estimates that several hundred kids and about 14K adults die in US from RSV every year, a little less than 1% mortality rate, and nearly 100% of the population has been exposed to RSV at some point in their lives.

And most folks have never heard of RSV.

So I think the main point at the moment is to try and slow the spread and quell panic, because we can't have everyone descending on the hospitals they way they've murdered the toilet paper.

The 3% fatality rate hasn't settled - I'm not an epidemiologist, like I've said before, and obviously the volume of data is growing very rapidly, but it's still highly variable and difficult to qualify as well as quantify. By qualify, I mean exactly how confident are we in the data coming out of Iran or China, and what does that data actually mean for other countries, especially ones that are systemically and culturally potentially very very different from China or Iran.

So the best thing can do is be calm and careful. Take just the essentials you need, I cannot understand this hoarding of flour and pasta and bog roll, because you are just stealing from your fellow man. The minute you "only look out for yourself and family", then everything really does go to hell, because the world isn't built for hoarding - the world cannot accommodate hoarding, we simply don't have the resources for 7B people to all accumulate and hide more than they need.

And I don't know what these people are expecting either. Even if we got to the worst-possible scenario of total lock-down, they'd still have the army or police distributing essentials to everyone, like you would do in a acute crisis like flood or earthquake or bushfire. Didn't hear about anyone starving during the bushfires, nor anyone having to poop without some paper nearby. Buy only what you need for modest short-term and let everyone else get their fair lot.

I just can't imagine the poor elderly or lonely at this time, what they are supposed to do when families of fat idiots are racing to stores and panic-buying up all the stuff. That's the true heart of the problem right now, not cancelling footy or concerts.

Maybe the fat idiots are planning to take their elderly relatives in .....

The true problem is many will be underprepared because of comments like this from "so called experts " and will expect someone to knock on their door personally and give them food ..water .. medicine

Or even worse ..the underprepared will expect the prepared to hand over their stuff and if not ...pandemonium

Yes people have gone nuts over toilet paper ...but getting enough Panadol to cover two weeks in case your family needs to self isolate with the risk of all getting CV isn't madness or enough tinned food for two weeks isn't madness ..making sure the gas bottles for the BBQ are full isn't madness .....Next thing buying enough food for Xmas lunch will be madness lol

It is being prepared for worst case scenario

 

[jirskyr]

but getting enough Panadol to cover two weeks in case your family needs to self isolate with the risk of all getting CV isn’t madness or enough tinned food for two weeks isn’t madness

>Or even worse …the underprepared will expect the prepared to hand over their stuff and if not …pandemonium

"The prepared". What an odd statement. Tell me exactly how one "prepares" for novel coronavirus outbreak. What is the template? The governments and health authorities don't even yet agree and haven't fully decided.

Suppose you are right, suppose 2 weeks is fair. I know roughly how much I poop in 2 weeks and it's not 16 toilet rolls worth. I know how roughly how much pain reliever me and my family require if we all come down with the flu, and it wouldn't be more than a bottle, 2 at most. I know roughly how many cans of food and packets of pasta to feed us for a fortnight, and it might be 5 or 6 cans each and 2-3 packets of pasta total. So suppose I buy 8 rolls of TP, 2 bottles panadol, 6 cans pp and 4 packets pasta for the next 2 weeks, assuming at some point I will not just be able to roll in and buy my regular bread and milk, assuming I have to subsist on these lower perishables. Fine, let's make that argument.

So if you run in and buy 24 rolls TP, 6 bottles panadol, 16 packets pasta and 60 cans, fill up three or four shopping trolleys. Well you may consider yourself "prepared", but you have just stolen the potential allocation for 2-3 other families.

If all the produce in Australia was placed on an imaginary large pallet, and you just took what you felt like, or the "first ones in" did, the "prepared", the pallet would be bare before half of us got around to getting our share. So in that case, in that borderline anarchy, then yeah you can bet the "unprepared" will just start stealing what they need from those who are hoarding. If it's anarchy, after all, then what good is simply "having the stuff" if someone can come and take if from you, in desperation.

Better we have come to our senses early and avoid the whole fight of the "prepared' and "unprepared", take only what you need for now, wait for further instructions, stay calm.

 

[voice_of_reason]

What exactly are people calling "panic". The only thing I see is the individuals buying too much toilet paper.

Nothing I've said suggests panic. I agree with the ban on mass gatherings and think they should have made the decision earlier and broader. I also believe we should avoid public transport and support the social distancing which has been recommended.

Glass half full thinking is not "I'm going to the footy because I'm young and it won't affect me". That's blind to the real threat which is not the severity of the virus, it's how infectious it is. It will overwhelm any health system if it spreads, we know because it's already happened overseas.

I can't believe it's even a point of debate whether we attend a footy game vs protecting the country's vulnerable. It's not panic or "not Staying Calm", it's simple commonsense.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

What exactly are people calling "panic". The only thing I see is the individuals buying too much toilet paper.

Nothing I've said suggests panic. I agree with the ban on mass gatherings and think they should have made the decision earlier and broader. I also believe we should avoid public transport and support the social distancing which has been recommended.

Glass half full thinking is not "I'm going to the footy because I'm young and it won't affect me". That's blind to the real threat which is not the severity of the virus, it's how infectious it is. It will overwhelm any health system if it spreads, we know because it's already happened overseas.

I can't believe it's even a point of debate whether we attend a footy game vs protecting the country's vulnerable. It's not panic or "not Staying Calm", it's simple commonsense.

What’s the point of banning large gatherings but allowing people to go to shopping centres, use public transport, go to work etc?

 

[voice_of_reason]

What’s the point of banning large gatherings but allowing people to go to shopping centres, use public transport, go to work etc?

I agree it makes no sense, hence why I think they should have been more aggressive with the measures.

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

So with new restrictions in place for NZ it looks like this afternoon may be the last game for the warriors for a while. Not sure how the comp can continue fairly with one team unable to play.

 

[Wildcat777]

Yeh i think after R1 thats it for 2020?

 

[jirskyr]

What exactly are people calling “panic”. The only thing I see is the individuals buying too much toilet paper.

Yes panic buying. Getting upset and violent over stock. It's not everyone and the violence is especially contained to a small amount of people, but it has a larger societal / cultural impact when some folks are willing to start fights over toilet paper. It when from being laughable to semi-serious.

Even less about the toilet paper, more about the food hoarding - flour, pasta, rice. Some people think this acceptable and appropriate, to be prepared for - for what I don't know, for the apparent lack of absence of food in shops, or inability to get to shops or receive supplies. I said before, it's not a flood or bushfire, there's nothing physical stopping you right now from driving down to the shops, just in some food stocks they are without.

And my main concern is the escalation, first toilet paper, then pasta and rice... it doesn't take much more of a step for people to ramp up the panic, given that panic begets panic, and next there's no canned foods, no cereal, no biscuits. Maybe all this calms down of its own, or maybe people choose the "next thing" to panic-purchase. E.g. first toilet paper was hard to come by, then by close proximity, tissues and paper towels.

The escalation should not have gone as far as toilet paper or rice in the first place, if everyone kept their heads. You should not have to visit 5 stores to get some paper, or a packet of pasta. Under normal circumstances, you could buy toilet paper or pasta at any shop in Australia, under average consumption, but there is hardly any to be had. That part of people's reactions is serious, more serious than being asked to consider staying home more often than you normally would.