Coronavirus Outbreak

[Tiger5150]

Thoughts and prayers...

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Oh wow.....well he is talking to God now. Im not sure what is worse, putting his whole congregation at risk, or the name they gave their daughter.

 

[Tiger5150]

Don't get caught up on numbers, we already know that the false positive test rate and false negative rates are outrageous so I really don't know how or where they're getting these numbers from because we have no accurate way of testing for it.

But the public love numbers, so they just give us numbers, highly inaccurate numbers and fancy graphs to satisfy the mindless morons.

"Hurry up Karen, the public need to see another graph, don't worry if it's not accurate they don't know anyway, they only know what we put on the graph, they'll believe whatever you put on there, we just need to show them lines and numbers"


Of course I dont think and I dont think anyone here thinks these numbers are definitive but based on the high number of testing carried out in Australia and the consistency of the data correlated against itself and also against hard figures that ARE definitive such as hospital admissions and deaths, the numbers are a good representation of whats going on.

False negatives or positives dont matter once people start arriving in Hospitals.

You cant see any value in comparisons of the data from Mid March to today?

I don't see any value in this whole thing, this whole thing has been a total overreaction the two doctors who started this whole "social isolation" thing have come out already and said their computer models were all wrong and their estimate of total number of deaths is going to be less than half predicted which is as many as a normal flu season

The prevention has and will cause more deaths and disruption to our lives than the virus itself.
They'll just be slower.

Are you going to stay inside until we get an effective vaccine for the flu, malaria, tuberculosis, or parasites like Chagas, elephantiasis, hookworm or liver flukes?

What about Nipah, Lassa or M.E respitory syndrome?

Lyme, West Nile, Zika, Hepatitis C?

What about respitory syncytial virus?

Shit, I bet you haven't even heard of half of these, you'll never go outside again.

You haven't seen the mass graves in New York? Or the nearly 10000 deaths in New York already?

Yes I have, but what I haven't seen is an accurate way to determine how many were actually caused by covid19.

I also haven't seen the whole world shut down due to all the other things I listed, which have the potential to kill as many if not more than covid19.

The media has duped the masses again

By "the masses" you mean the scientific community and all of the world leaders and their governments who have led the response to the virus? But not you, no you're too clever for that, you can see that this whole thing is being driven by the media for the clear agenda of selling more newspapers or something...

No, by "The masses"
I mean the brain dead zombies that believe everything that they hear on their idiot box.

Got a question for you to think about, how many times throughout history do we later find out that the narrative that at the time was being presented as the truth was actually wrong or intentionally misleading?

As for listening to the GOVERNMENT
Let's look at what the word means, let's break it down.
The word 'Govern' is from the Latin verb Guverno, Guvernare which means "To control"
The word 'Ment' is a Latin noun Mens, Mentis which means "Mind"
= Mind Control

So keep listening to your Government tell you what to do through your idiot box


Ok so its the government doing this to "control the masses"? Seriously?

Lets look at this closer. In the US, you have an incumbent President, who is a filthy capitalist, seeking re-election in a vote THIS year, planning his whole strategy for re-election on a booming economy and he thought to himself..."I know what would seal the deal....if I make everyone stay inside and completely grind the economy into the ground...that'll work"

and in Australia, a conservative government, about to post a budget surplus ...."this is too easy, lets set a challenge and try to get unemployment up over 25%"

I am genuinely interested in what you think the government stands to gain in doing this?

Power and control


Not convinced without further explanation. Power & control only makes sense to me in a leftist, post modern or socialist scenario in which larger more involved government is the goal, but again when its a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, Johnson or Morrison government, I dont see that agenda and they only stand to lose, there is no win for them.

Im also pretty sure that three nights in ICU would not have been part of the grand plan for Boris.

So either you expand on your thoughts, or we are done.

Oh now I get it, you actually think these puppets you see on the TV are in control.

Now I understand why it makes no sense to you when I say "Power and control"
At least you're thinking now, most people aren't capable of doing even that.

Ok....so New World Order, implemented by the WHO. Am I right?

Is it led by the Chinese, Knights Templar or Alien Lizard people?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Thoughts and prayers...

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Oh wow.....well he is talking to God now. Im not sure what is worse, putting his whole congregation at risk, or the name they gave their daughter.

Zero sympathy. The arrogance to think your God gives you free reign at a time like this.

 

[Tiger5150]

Thoughts and prayers...

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Oh wow.....well he is talking to God now. Im not sure what is worse, putting his whole congregation at risk, or the name they gave their daughter.

Zero sympathy. The arrogance to think your God gives you free reign at a time like this.

I read yesterday of another Church (at least I think its another one) and the preacher said it is the role of a Christian to die for Jesus. Dangerous stuff.

Most Churches have had enough common sense, even Hillsong.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Thoughts and prayers...

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Oh wow.....well he is talking to God now. Im not sure what is worse, putting his whole congregation at risk, or the name they gave their daughter.

Zero sympathy. The arrogance to think your God gives you free reign at a time like this.


I read yesterday of another Church (at least I think its another one) and the preacher said it is the role of a Christian to die for Jesus. Dangerous stuff.

Most Churches have had enough common sense, even Hillsong.

These are the people waiting for the rapture afterall

 

[Geo]

Just keep listening to the instructions of your Government (Mind control) and Health Minister (the one who let infected people off the cruise ship which has claimed most of the deaths in Australia)

You have all been conditioned by the system to the point where you'll defend it even though it's obvious that it's not serving you well.

Follow their "orders" do as you're told.

hangonaminute..aren't you home too...?

What you up too..?

 

[Fade.To.Black]

Just keep listening to the instructions of your Government (Mind control) and Health Minister (the one who let infected people off the cruise ship which has claimed most of the deaths in Australia)

You have all been conditioned by the system to the point where you'll defend it even though it's obvious that it's not serving you well.

Follow their "orders" do as you're told.

hangonaminute..aren't you home too...?

What you up too..?

Judging by his posts he's "feeding the chooks". I predict a bad case of RSI coming up for the lad......

 

[diedpretty]

Don't get caught up on numbers, we already know that the false positive test rate and false negative rates are outrageous so I really don't know how or where they're getting these numbers from because we have no accurate way of testing for it.

But the public love numbers, so they just give us numbers, highly inaccurate numbers and fancy graphs to satisfy the mindless morons.

"Hurry up Karen, the public need to see another graph, don't worry if it's not accurate they don't know anyway, they only know what we put on the graph, they'll believe whatever you put on there, we just need to show them lines and numbers"


Of course I dont think and I dont think anyone here thinks these numbers are definitive but based on the high number of testing carried out in Australia and the consistency of the data correlated against itself and also against hard figures that ARE definitive such as hospital admissions and deaths, the numbers are a good representation of whats going on.

False negatives or positives dont matter once people start arriving in Hospitals.

You cant see any value in comparisons of the data from Mid March to today?

I don't see any value in this whole thing, this whole thing has been a total overreaction the two doctors who started this whole "social isolation" thing have come out already and said their computer models were all wrong and their estimate of total number of deaths is going to be less than half predicted which is as many as a normal flu season

The prevention has and will cause more deaths and disruption to our lives than the virus itself.
They'll just be slower.

Are you going to stay inside until we get an effective vaccine for the flu, malaria, tuberculosis, or parasites like Chagas, elephantiasis, hookworm or liver flukes?

What about Nipah, Lassa or M.E respitory syndrome?

Lyme, West Nile, Zika, Hepatitis C?

What about respitory syncytial virus?

Shit, I bet you haven't even heard of half of these, you'll never go outside again.

You haven't seen the mass graves in New York? Or the nearly 10000 deaths in New York already?

Yes I have, but what I haven't seen is an accurate way to determine how many were actually caused by covid19.

I also haven't seen the whole world shut down due to all the other things I listed, which have the potential to kill as many if not more than covid19.

The media has duped the masses again

By "the masses" you mean the scientific community and all of the world leaders and their governments who have led the response to the virus? But not you, no you're too clever for that, you can see that this whole thing is being driven by the media for the clear agenda of selling more newspapers or something...

No, by "The masses"
I mean the brain dead zombies that believe everything that they hear on their idiot box.

Got a question for you to think about, how many times throughout history do we later find out that the narrative that at the time was being presented as the truth was actually wrong or intentionally misleading?

As for listening to the GOVERNMENT
Let's look at what the word means, let's break it down.
The word 'Govern' is from the Latin verb Guverno, Guvernare which means "To control"
The word 'Ment' is a Latin noun Mens, Mentis which means "Mind"
= Mind Control

So keep listening to your Government tell you what to do through your idiot box


Ok so its the government doing this to "control the masses"? Seriously?

Lets look at this closer. In the US, you have an incumbent President, who is a filthy capitalist, seeking re-election in a vote THIS year, planning his whole strategy for re-election on a booming economy and he thought to himself..."I know what would seal the deal....if I make everyone stay inside and completely grind the economy into the ground...that'll work"

and in Australia, a conservative government, about to post a budget surplus ...."this is too easy, lets set a challenge and try to get unemployment up over 25%"

I am genuinely interested in what you think the government stands to gain in doing this?

Power and control


Not convinced without further explanation. Power & control only makes sense to me in a leftist, post modern or socialist scenario in which larger more involved government is the goal, but again when its a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, Johnson or Morrison government, I dont see that agenda and they only stand to lose, there is no win for them.

Im also pretty sure that three nights in ICU would not have been part of the grand plan for Boris.

So either you expand on your thoughts, or we are done.

Ever heard of fascism. Power and control is not just the realm of communism.

 

[trentrunciman]

Don't get caught up on numbers, we already know that the false positive test rate and false negative rates are outrageous so I really don't know how or where they're getting these numbers from because we have no accurate way of testing for it.

But the public love numbers, so they just give us numbers, highly inaccurate numbers and fancy graphs to satisfy the mindless morons.

"Hurry up Karen, the public need to see another graph, don't worry if it's not accurate they don't know anyway, they only know what we put on the graph, they'll believe whatever you put on there, we just need to show them lines and numbers"


Of course I dont think and I dont think anyone here thinks these numbers are definitive but based on the high number of testing carried out in Australia and the consistency of the data correlated against itself and also against hard figures that ARE definitive such as hospital admissions and deaths, the numbers are a good representation of whats going on.

False negatives or positives dont matter once people start arriving in Hospitals.

You cant see any value in comparisons of the data from Mid March to today?

I don't see any value in this whole thing, this whole thing has been a total overreaction the two doctors who started this whole "social isolation" thing have come out already and said their computer models were all wrong and their estimate of total number of deaths is going to be less than half predicted which is as many as a normal flu season

The prevention has and will cause more deaths and disruption to our lives than the virus itself.
They'll just be slower.

Are you going to stay inside until we get an effective vaccine for the flu, malaria, tuberculosis, or parasites like Chagas, elephantiasis, hookworm or liver flukes?

What about Nipah, Lassa or M.E respitory syndrome?

Lyme, West Nile, Zika, Hepatitis C?

What about respitory syncytial virus?

Shit, I bet you haven't even heard of half of these, you'll never go outside again.

You haven't seen the mass graves in New York? Or the nearly 10000 deaths in New York already?

Yes I have, but what I haven't seen is an accurate way to determine how many were actually caused by covid19.

I also haven't seen the whole world shut down due to all the other things I listed, which have the potential to kill as many if not more than covid19.

The media has duped the masses again

By "the masses" you mean the scientific community and all of the world leaders and their governments who have led the response to the virus? But not you, no you're too clever for that, you can see that this whole thing is being driven by the media for the clear agenda of selling more newspapers or something...

No, by "The masses"
I mean the brain dead zombies that believe everything that they hear on their idiot box.

Got a question for you to think about, how many times throughout history do we later find out that the narrative that at the time was being presented as the truth was actually wrong or intentionally misleading?

As for listening to the GOVERNMENT
Let's look at what the word means, let's break it down.
The word 'Govern' is from the Latin verb Guverno, Guvernare which means "To control"
The word 'Ment' is a Latin noun Mens, Mentis which means "Mind"
= Mind Control

So keep listening to your Government tell you what to do through your idiot box


Ok so its the government doing this to "control the masses"? Seriously?

Lets look at this closer. In the US, you have an incumbent President, who is a filthy capitalist, seeking re-election in a vote THIS year, planning his whole strategy for re-election on a booming economy and he thought to himself..."I know what would seal the deal....if I make everyone stay inside and completely grind the economy into the ground...that'll work"

and in Australia, a conservative government, about to post a budget surplus ...."this is too easy, lets set a challenge and try to get unemployment up over 25%"

I am genuinely interested in what you think the government stands to gain in doing this?

Power and control

very Orwellian and Huxleyian :sweat:

both great reads too!

EDIT- Happy Laos/Thai New Year! ^0^

shame there is lockout, was looking forward to celebrating at the temple @Edensor park



 

[Tiger5150]

Don't get caught up on numbers, we already know that the false positive test rate and false negative rates are outrageous so I really don't know how or where they're getting these numbers from because we have no accurate way of testing for it.

But the public love numbers, so they just give us numbers, highly inaccurate numbers and fancy graphs to satisfy the mindless morons.

"Hurry up Karen, the public need to see another graph, don't worry if it's not accurate they don't know anyway, they only know what we put on the graph, they'll believe whatever you put on there, we just need to show them lines and numbers"


Of course I dont think and I dont think anyone here thinks these numbers are definitive but based on the high number of testing carried out in Australia and the consistency of the data correlated against itself and also against hard figures that ARE definitive such as hospital admissions and deaths, the numbers are a good representation of whats going on.

False negatives or positives dont matter once people start arriving in Hospitals.

You cant see any value in comparisons of the data from Mid March to today?

I don't see any value in this whole thing, this whole thing has been a total overreaction the two doctors who started this whole "social isolation" thing have come out already and said their computer models were all wrong and their estimate of total number of deaths is going to be less than half predicted which is as many as a normal flu season

The prevention has and will cause more deaths and disruption to our lives than the virus itself.
They'll just be slower.

Are you going to stay inside until we get an effective vaccine for the flu, malaria, tuberculosis, or parasites like Chagas, elephantiasis, hookworm or liver flukes?

What about Nipah, Lassa or M.E respitory syndrome?

Lyme, West Nile, Zika, Hepatitis C?

What about respitory syncytial virus?

Shit, I bet you haven't even heard of half of these, you'll never go outside again.

You haven't seen the mass graves in New York? Or the nearly 10000 deaths in New York already?

Yes I have, but what I haven't seen is an accurate way to determine how many were actually caused by covid19.

I also haven't seen the whole world shut down due to all the other things I listed, which have the potential to kill as many if not more than covid19.

The media has duped the masses again

By "the masses" you mean the scientific community and all of the world leaders and their governments who have led the response to the virus? But not you, no you're too clever for that, you can see that this whole thing is being driven by the media for the clear agenda of selling more newspapers or something...

No, by "The masses"
I mean the brain dead zombies that believe everything that they hear on their idiot box.

Got a question for you to think about, how many times throughout history do we later find out that the narrative that at the time was being presented as the truth was actually wrong or intentionally misleading?

As for listening to the GOVERNMENT
Let's look at what the word means, let's break it down.
The word 'Govern' is from the Latin verb Guverno, Guvernare which means "To control"
The word 'Ment' is a Latin noun Mens, Mentis which means "Mind"
= Mind Control

So keep listening to your Government tell you what to do through your idiot box


Ok so its the government doing this to "control the masses"? Seriously?

Lets look at this closer. In the US, you have an incumbent President, who is a filthy capitalist, seeking re-election in a vote THIS year, planning his whole strategy for re-election on a booming economy and he thought to himself..."I know what would seal the deal....if I make everyone stay inside and completely grind the economy into the ground...that'll work"

and in Australia, a conservative government, about to post a budget surplus ...."this is too easy, lets set a challenge and try to get unemployment up over 25%"

I am genuinely interested in what you think the government stands to gain in doing this?

Power and control


Not convinced without further explanation. Power & control only makes sense to me in a leftist, post modern or socialist scenario in which larger more involved government is the goal, but again when its a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, Johnson or Morrison government, I dont see that agenda and they only stand to lose, there is no win for them.

Im also pretty sure that three nights in ICU would not have been part of the grand plan for Boris.

So either you expand on your thoughts, or we are done.

Ever heard of fascism. Power and control is not just the realm of communism.

Yep, I know all about Fascism, in fact its not actually a right wing thing but the most famous fascist (titled) regimes have been right wing.

Im not making a right vs left statement by saying what I said, I am literally just trying to work out what the hell any Govt would stand to gain by imposing these restrictions and decimating the economy. The only thing I can think of is imposing more and bigger government with more involvement in peoples day to day lives, which by definition is a stated goal of socialists and an anathema to libertarians and conservatives.

No judgement made of either just trying to work out what Hangon was suggesting. I had forgotten about Lizardmen.

 

[TrueTiger]

Don't get caught up on numbers, we already know that the false positive test rate and false negative rates are outrageous so I really don't know how or where they're getting these numbers from because we have no accurate way of testing for it.

But the public love numbers, so they just give us numbers, highly inaccurate numbers and fancy graphs to satisfy the mindless morons.

"Hurry up Karen, the public need to see another graph, don't worry if it's not accurate they don't know anyway, they only know what we put on the graph, they'll believe whatever you put on there, we just need to show them lines and numbers"


Of course I dont think and I dont think anyone here thinks these numbers are definitive but based on the high number of testing carried out in Australia and the consistency of the data correlated against itself and also against hard figures that ARE definitive such as hospital admissions and deaths, the numbers are a good representation of whats going on.

False negatives or positives dont matter once people start arriving in Hospitals.

You cant see any value in comparisons of the data from Mid March to today?

I don't see any value in this whole thing, this whole thing has been a total overreaction the two doctors who started this whole "social isolation" thing have come out already and said their computer models were all wrong and their estimate of total number of deaths is going to be less than half predicted which is as many as a normal flu season

The prevention has and will cause more deaths and disruption to our lives than the virus itself.
They'll just be slower.

Are you going to stay inside until we get an effective vaccine for the flu, malaria, tuberculosis, or parasites like Chagas, elephantiasis, hookworm or liver flukes?

What about Nipah, Lassa or M.E respitory syndrome?

Lyme, West Nile, Zika, Hepatitis C?

What about respitory syncytial virus?

Shit, I bet you haven't even heard of half of these, you'll never go outside again.

You haven't seen the mass graves in New York? Or the nearly 10000 deaths in New York already?

Yes I have, but what I haven't seen is an accurate way to determine how many were actually caused by covid19.

I also haven't seen the whole world shut down due to all the other things I listed, which have the potential to kill as many if not more than covid19.

The media has duped the masses again

By "the masses" you mean the scientific community and all of the world leaders and their governments who have led the response to the virus? But not you, no you're too clever for that, you can see that this whole thing is being driven by the media for the clear agenda of selling more newspapers or something...

No, by "The masses"
I mean the brain dead zombies that believe everything that they hear on their idiot box.

Got a question for you to think about, how many times throughout history do we later find out that the narrative that at the time was being presented as the truth was actually wrong or intentionally misleading?

As for listening to the GOVERNMENT
Let's look at what the word means, let's break it down.
The word 'Govern' is from the Latin verb Guverno, Guvernare which means "To control"
The word 'Ment' is a Latin noun Mens, Mentis which means "Mind"
= Mind Control

So keep listening to your Government tell you what to do through your idiot box


Ok so its the government doing this to "control the masses"? Seriously?

Lets look at this closer. In the US, you have an incumbent President, who is a filthy capitalist, seeking re-election in a vote THIS year, planning his whole strategy for re-election on a booming economy and he thought to himself..."I know what would seal the deal....if I make everyone stay inside and completely grind the economy into the ground...that'll work"

and in Australia, a conservative government, about to post a budget surplus ...."this is too easy, lets set a challenge and try to get unemployment up over 25%"

I am genuinely interested in what you think the government stands to gain in doing this?

Power and control


Not convinced without further explanation. Power & control only makes sense to me in a leftist, post modern or socialist scenario in which larger more involved government is the goal, but again when its a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, Johnson or Morrison government, I dont see that agenda and they only stand to lose, there is no win for them.

Im also pretty sure that three nights in ICU would not have been part of the grand plan for Boris.

So either you expand on your thoughts, or we are done.

Oh now I get it, you actually think these puppets you see on the TV are in control.

Now I understand why it makes no sense to you when I say "Power and control"
At least you're thinking now, most people aren't capable of doing even that.


Ok....so New World Order, implemented by the WHO. Am I right?

Is it led by the Chinese, Knights Templar or Alien Lizard people?

I just want to take this moment to thank you Tiger5150 for the effort in giving us a very well documented graph and explanation of such..
I do agree with most on here that we have to have restrictions like have been put in place to protect the community at large..
I also see the many arguments in regard to isolated NRL and other typical comparisons so as life can get back to as normal as possible..
I cant understand how people are still trying to shrug off this virus as it is only a flu,when so many people are dead and gravely ill from it and cases are still being uncovered daily all over the world..
Just this morning news.com stated that China is preparing for a second wave of this virus,it certainly looks bleak for the future if it is the case,restrictions may go longer than anticipated.
As for hangonaminute I truly believe he is living in a world of his own,to try and convince all and sundry that the Govt and expert medical advisors are trying mind and power control over us beggars belief,he surely is entitled to his opinion however,some of his remarks in regard to this topic cross the line of sensibility eg,trying to tell us more people die from being hit on the head by coconuts adds insult and injury to the many families worldwide that have lost loved ones,he obviously does not understand sensitive issues such as family loss especially if someone on this forum has lost someone through this or knows someone who has..

 

[TheDaBoss]

Tbh this can be a blessing in disguise for other countries, cause business are gonna have to start putting out there feelers to other countries apart from china to source products, materials etc

Just my opinion

 

[TrueTiger]

Tbh this can be a blessing in disguise for other countries, cause business are gonna have to start putting out there feelers to other countries apart from china to source products, materials etc

Just my opinion

You could be right boss,the whole world is trying to defeat this virus and when they have they will all have to rely on each other to get their economies back in order,it wont be easy but together the world may end up a far better place,particularly if we have learnt from this harrowing experience..

 

[Tiger5150]

Don't get caught up on numbers, we already know that the false positive test rate and false negative rates are outrageous so I really don't know how or where they're getting these numbers from because we have no accurate way of testing for it.

But the public love numbers, so they just give us numbers, highly inaccurate numbers and fancy graphs to satisfy the mindless morons.

"Hurry up Karen, the public need to see another graph, don't worry if it's not accurate they don't know anyway, they only know what we put on the graph, they'll believe whatever you put on there, we just need to show them lines and numbers"


Of course I dont think and I dont think anyone here thinks these numbers are definitive but based on the high number of testing carried out in Australia and the consistency of the data correlated against itself and also against hard figures that ARE definitive such as hospital admissions and deaths, the numbers are a good representation of whats going on.

False negatives or positives dont matter once people start arriving in Hospitals.

You cant see any value in comparisons of the data from Mid March to today?

I don't see any value in this whole thing, this whole thing has been a total overreaction the two doctors who started this whole "social isolation" thing have come out already and said their computer models were all wrong and their estimate of total number of deaths is going to be less than half predicted which is as many as a normal flu season

The prevention has and will cause more deaths and disruption to our lives than the virus itself.
They'll just be slower.

Are you going to stay inside until we get an effective vaccine for the flu, malaria, tuberculosis, or parasites like Chagas, elephantiasis, hookworm or liver flukes?

What about Nipah, Lassa or M.E respitory syndrome?

Lyme, West Nile, Zika, Hepatitis C?

What about respitory syncytial virus?

Shit, I bet you haven't even heard of half of these, you'll never go outside again.

You haven't seen the mass graves in New York? Or the nearly 10000 deaths in New York already?

Yes I have, but what I haven't seen is an accurate way to determine how many were actually caused by covid19.

I also haven't seen the whole world shut down due to all the other things I listed, which have the potential to kill as many if not more than covid19.

The media has duped the masses again

By "the masses" you mean the scientific community and all of the world leaders and their governments who have led the response to the virus? But not you, no you're too clever for that, you can see that this whole thing is being driven by the media for the clear agenda of selling more newspapers or something...

No, by "The masses"
I mean the brain dead zombies that believe everything that they hear on their idiot box.

Got a question for you to think about, how many times throughout history do we later find out that the narrative that at the time was being presented as the truth was actually wrong or intentionally misleading?

As for listening to the GOVERNMENT
Let's look at what the word means, let's break it down.
The word 'Govern' is from the Latin verb Guverno, Guvernare which means "To control"
The word 'Ment' is a Latin noun Mens, Mentis which means "Mind"
= Mind Control

So keep listening to your Government tell you what to do through your idiot box


Ok so its the government doing this to "control the masses"? Seriously?

Lets look at this closer. In the US, you have an incumbent President, who is a filthy capitalist, seeking re-election in a vote THIS year, planning his whole strategy for re-election on a booming economy and he thought to himself..."I know what would seal the deal....if I make everyone stay inside and completely grind the economy into the ground...that'll work"

and in Australia, a conservative government, about to post a budget surplus ...."this is too easy, lets set a challenge and try to get unemployment up over 25%"

I am genuinely interested in what you think the government stands to gain in doing this?

Power and control


Not convinced without further explanation. Power & control only makes sense to me in a leftist, post modern or socialist scenario in which larger more involved government is the goal, but again when its a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, Johnson or Morrison government, I dont see that agenda and they only stand to lose, there is no win for them.

Im also pretty sure that three nights in ICU would not have been part of the grand plan for Boris.

So either you expand on your thoughts, or we are done.

Oh now I get it, you actually think these puppets you see on the TV are in control.

Now I understand why it makes no sense to you when I say "Power and control"
At least you're thinking now, most people aren't capable of doing even that.


Ok....so New World Order, implemented by the WHO. Am I right?

Is it led by the Chinese, Knights Templar or Alien Lizard people?

I just want to take this moment to thank you Tiger5150 for the effort in giving us a very well documented graph and explanation of such..
I do agree with most on here that we have to have restrictions like have been put in place to protect the community at large..
I also see the many arguments in regard to isolated NRL and other typical comparisons so as life can get back to as normal as possible..
I cant understand how people are still trying to shrug off this virus as it is only a flu,when so many people are dead and gravely ill from it and cases are still being uncovered daily all over the world..
Just this morning news.com stated that China is preparing for a second wave of this virus,it certainly looks bleak for the future if it is the case,restrictions may go longer than anticipated.
As for hangonaminute I truly believe he is living in a world of his own,to try and convince all and sundry that the Govt and expert medical advisors are trying mind and power control over us beggars belief,he surely is entitled to his opinion however,some of his remarks in regard to this topic cross the line of sensibility eg,trying to tell us more people die from being hit on the head by coconuts adds insult and injury to the many families worldwide that have lost loved ones,he obviously does not understand sensitive issues such as family loss especially if someone on this forum has lost someone through this or knows someone who has..

Thanks for the nice words TT.

Hangonaminutes position is kind of why I bother to post the data and graphs. If I'm honest with myself, I was kind of his position a month ago. Definitely not with the NWO rubbish, but I was underplaying the situation and the need for economy crushing restrictions. It wasnt until I started to put these numbers together to solve questions in my own mind that I started to realise the exponential nature of the growth and the repercussions of this growth. At the end of the day, the shear weight of numbers would crush us. Then I realised the serious nature of the crisis and took it seriously.

 

[cochise]

Don't get caught up on numbers, we already know that the false positive test rate and false negative rates are outrageous so I really don't know how or where they're getting these numbers from because we have no accurate way of testing for it.

But the public love numbers, so they just give us numbers, highly inaccurate numbers and fancy graphs to satisfy the mindless morons.

"Hurry up Karen, the public need to see another graph, don't worry if it's not accurate they don't know anyway, they only know what we put on the graph, they'll believe whatever you put on there, we just need to show them lines and numbers"


Of course I dont think and I dont think anyone here thinks these numbers are definitive but based on the high number of testing carried out in Australia and the consistency of the data correlated against itself and also against hard figures that ARE definitive such as hospital admissions and deaths, the numbers are a good representation of whats going on.

False negatives or positives dont matter once people start arriving in Hospitals.

You cant see any value in comparisons of the data from Mid March to today?

I don't see any value in this whole thing, this whole thing has been a total overreaction the two doctors who started this whole "social isolation" thing have come out already and said their computer models were all wrong and their estimate of total number of deaths is going to be less than half predicted which is as many as a normal flu season

The prevention has and will cause more deaths and disruption to our lives than the virus itself.
They'll just be slower.

Are you going to stay inside until we get an effective vaccine for the flu, malaria, tuberculosis, or parasites like Chagas, elephantiasis, hookworm or liver flukes?

What about Nipah, Lassa or M.E respitory syndrome?

Lyme, West Nile, Zika, Hepatitis C?

What about respitory syncytial virus?

Shit, I bet you haven't even heard of half of these, you'll never go outside again.

You haven't seen the mass graves in New York? Or the nearly 10000 deaths in New York already?

Yes I have, but what I haven't seen is an accurate way to determine how many were actually caused by covid19.

I also haven't seen the whole world shut down due to all the other things I listed, which have the potential to kill as many if not more than covid19.

The media has duped the masses again

By "the masses" you mean the scientific community and all of the world leaders and their governments who have led the response to the virus? But not you, no you're too clever for that, you can see that this whole thing is being driven by the media for the clear agenda of selling more newspapers or something...

No, by "The masses"
I mean the brain dead zombies that believe everything that they hear on their idiot box.

Got a question for you to think about, how many times throughout history do we later find out that the narrative that at the time was being presented as the truth was actually wrong or intentionally misleading?

As for listening to the GOVERNMENT
Let's look at what the word means, let's break it down.
The word 'Govern' is from the Latin verb Guverno, Guvernare which means "To control"
The word 'Ment' is a Latin noun Mens, Mentis which means "Mind"
= Mind Control

So keep listening to your Government tell you what to do through your idiot box


Ok so its the government doing this to "control the masses"? Seriously?

Lets look at this closer. In the US, you have an incumbent President, who is a filthy capitalist, seeking re-election in a vote THIS year, planning his whole strategy for re-election on a booming economy and he thought to himself..."I know what would seal the deal....if I make everyone stay inside and completely grind the economy into the ground...that'll work"

and in Australia, a conservative government, about to post a budget surplus ...."this is too easy, lets set a challenge and try to get unemployment up over 25%"

I am genuinely interested in what you think the government stands to gain in doing this?

Power and control


Not convinced without further explanation. Power & control only makes sense to me in a leftist, post modern or socialist scenario in which larger more involved government is the goal, but again when its a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, Johnson or Morrison government, I dont see that agenda and they only stand to lose, there is no win for them.

Im also pretty sure that three nights in ICU would not have been part of the grand plan for Boris.

So either you expand on your thoughts, or we are done.

Oh now I get it, you actually think these puppets you see on the TV are in control.

Now I understand why it makes no sense to you when I say "Power and control"
At least you're thinking now, most people aren't capable of doing even that.


Ok....so New World Order, implemented by the WHO. Am I right?

Is it led by the Chinese, Knights Templar or Alien Lizard people?

I just want to take this moment to thank you Tiger5150 for the effort in giving us a very well documented graph and explanation of such..
I do agree with most on here that we have to have restrictions like have been put in place to protect the community at large..
I also see the many arguments in regard to isolated NRL and other typical comparisons so as life can get back to as normal as possible..
I cant understand how people are still trying to shrug off this virus as it is only a flu,when so many people are dead and gravely ill from it and cases are still being uncovered daily all over the world..
Just this morning news.com stated that China is preparing for a second wave of this virus,it certainly looks bleak for the future if it is the case,restrictions may go longer than anticipated.
As for hangonaminute I truly believe he is living in a world of his own,to try and convince all and sundry that the Govt and expert medical advisors are trying mind and power control over us beggars belief,he surely is entitled to his opinion however,some of his remarks in regard to this topic cross the line of sensibility eg,trying to tell us more people die from being hit on the head by coconuts adds insult and injury to the many families worldwide that have lost loved ones,he obviously does not understand sensitive issues such as family loss especially if someone on this forum has lost someone through this or knows someone who has..


Thanks for the nice words TT.

Hangonaminutes position is kind of why I bother to post the data and graphs. If I'm honest with myself, I was kind of his position a month ago. Definitely not with the NWO rubbish, but I was underplaying the situation and the need for economy crushing restrictions. It wasnt until I started to put these numbers together to solve questions in my own mind that I started to realise the exponential nature of the growth and the repercussions of this growth. At the end of the day, the shear weight of numbers would crush us. Then I realised the serious nature of the crisis and took it seriously.

How long ago does that month seem?

 

[Tiger5150]

Don't get caught up on numbers, we already know that the false positive test rate and false negative rates are outrageous so I really don't know how or where they're getting these numbers from because we have no accurate way of testing for it.

But the public love numbers, so they just give us numbers, highly inaccurate numbers and fancy graphs to satisfy the mindless morons.

"Hurry up Karen, the public need to see another graph, don't worry if it's not accurate they don't know anyway, they only know what we put on the graph, they'll believe whatever you put on there, we just need to show them lines and numbers"


Of course I dont think and I dont think anyone here thinks these numbers are definitive but based on the high number of testing carried out in Australia and the consistency of the data correlated against itself and also against hard figures that ARE definitive such as hospital admissions and deaths, the numbers are a good representation of whats going on.

False negatives or positives dont matter once people start arriving in Hospitals.

You cant see any value in comparisons of the data from Mid March to today?

I don't see any value in this whole thing, this whole thing has been a total overreaction the two doctors who started this whole "social isolation" thing have come out already and said their computer models were all wrong and their estimate of total number of deaths is going to be less than half predicted which is as many as a normal flu season

The prevention has and will cause more deaths and disruption to our lives than the virus itself.
They'll just be slower.

Are you going to stay inside until we get an effective vaccine for the flu, malaria, tuberculosis, or parasites like Chagas, elephantiasis, hookworm or liver flukes?

What about Nipah, Lassa or M.E respitory syndrome?

Lyme, West Nile, Zika, Hepatitis C?

What about respitory syncytial virus?

Shit, I bet you haven't even heard of half of these, you'll never go outside again.

You haven't seen the mass graves in New York? Or the nearly 10000 deaths in New York already?

Yes I have, but what I haven't seen is an accurate way to determine how many were actually caused by covid19.

I also haven't seen the whole world shut down due to all the other things I listed, which have the potential to kill as many if not more than covid19.

The media has duped the masses again

By "the masses" you mean the scientific community and all of the world leaders and their governments who have led the response to the virus? But not you, no you're too clever for that, you can see that this whole thing is being driven by the media for the clear agenda of selling more newspapers or something...

No, by "The masses"
I mean the brain dead zombies that believe everything that they hear on their idiot box.

Got a question for you to think about, how many times throughout history do we later find out that the narrative that at the time was being presented as the truth was actually wrong or intentionally misleading?

As for listening to the GOVERNMENT
Let's look at what the word means, let's break it down.
The word 'Govern' is from the Latin verb Guverno, Guvernare which means "To control"
The word 'Ment' is a Latin noun Mens, Mentis which means "Mind"
= Mind Control

So keep listening to your Government tell you what to do through your idiot box


Ok so its the government doing this to "control the masses"? Seriously?

Lets look at this closer. In the US, you have an incumbent President, who is a filthy capitalist, seeking re-election in a vote THIS year, planning his whole strategy for re-election on a booming economy and he thought to himself..."I know what would seal the deal....if I make everyone stay inside and completely grind the economy into the ground...that'll work"

and in Australia, a conservative government, about to post a budget surplus ...."this is too easy, lets set a challenge and try to get unemployment up over 25%"

I am genuinely interested in what you think the government stands to gain in doing this?

Power and control


Not convinced without further explanation. Power & control only makes sense to me in a leftist, post modern or socialist scenario in which larger more involved government is the goal, but again when its a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, Johnson or Morrison government, I dont see that agenda and they only stand to lose, there is no win for them.

Im also pretty sure that three nights in ICU would not have been part of the grand plan for Boris.

So either you expand on your thoughts, or we are done.

Oh now I get it, you actually think these puppets you see on the TV are in control.

Now I understand why it makes no sense to you when I say "Power and control"
At least you're thinking now, most people aren't capable of doing even that.


Ok....so New World Order, implemented by the WHO. Am I right?

Is it led by the Chinese, Knights Templar or Alien Lizard people?

I just want to take this moment to thank you Tiger5150 for the effort in giving us a very well documented graph and explanation of such..
I do agree with most on here that we have to have restrictions like have been put in place to protect the community at large..
I also see the many arguments in regard to isolated NRL and other typical comparisons so as life can get back to as normal as possible..
I cant understand how people are still trying to shrug off this virus as it is only a flu,when so many people are dead and gravely ill from it and cases are still being uncovered daily all over the world..
Just this morning news.com stated that China is preparing for a second wave of this virus,it certainly looks bleak for the future if it is the case,restrictions may go longer than anticipated.
As for hangonaminute I truly believe he is living in a world of his own,to try and convince all and sundry that the Govt and expert medical advisors are trying mind and power control over us beggars belief,he surely is entitled to his opinion however,some of his remarks in regard to this topic cross the line of sensibility eg,trying to tell us more people die from being hit on the head by coconuts adds insult and injury to the many families worldwide that have lost loved ones,he obviously does not understand sensitive issues such as family loss especially if someone on this forum has lost someone through this or knows someone who has..


Thanks for the nice words TT.

Hangonaminutes position is kind of why I bother to post the data and graphs. If I'm honest with myself, I was kind of his position a month ago. Definitely not with the NWO rubbish, but I was underplaying the situation and the need for economy crushing restrictions. It wasnt until I started to put these numbers together to solve questions in my own mind that I started to realise the exponential nature of the growth and the repercussions of this growth. At the end of the day, the shear weight of numbers would crush us. Then I realised the serious nature of the crisis and took it seriously.

How long ago does that month seem?

A lifetime ago, havent seen my kids since.

 

[cochise]

Don't get caught up on numbers, we already know that the false positive test rate and false negative rates are outrageous so I really don't know how or where they're getting these numbers from because we have no accurate way of testing for it.

But the public love numbers, so they just give us numbers, highly inaccurate numbers and fancy graphs to satisfy the mindless morons.

"Hurry up Karen, the public need to see another graph, don't worry if it's not accurate they don't know anyway, they only know what we put on the graph, they'll believe whatever you put on there, we just need to show them lines and numbers"


Of course I dont think and I dont think anyone here thinks these numbers are definitive but based on the high number of testing carried out in Australia and the consistency of the data correlated against itself and also against hard figures that ARE definitive such as hospital admissions and deaths, the numbers are a good representation of whats going on.

False negatives or positives dont matter once people start arriving in Hospitals.

You cant see any value in comparisons of the data from Mid March to today?

I don't see any value in this whole thing, this whole thing has been a total overreaction the two doctors who started this whole "social isolation" thing have come out already and said their computer models were all wrong and their estimate of total number of deaths is going to be less than half predicted which is as many as a normal flu season

The prevention has and will cause more deaths and disruption to our lives than the virus itself.
They'll just be slower.

Are you going to stay inside until we get an effective vaccine for the flu, malaria, tuberculosis, or parasites like Chagas, elephantiasis, hookworm or liver flukes?

What about Nipah, Lassa or M.E respitory syndrome?

Lyme, West Nile, Zika, Hepatitis C?

What about respitory syncytial virus?

Shit, I bet you haven't even heard of half of these, you'll never go outside again.

You haven't seen the mass graves in New York? Or the nearly 10000 deaths in New York already?

Yes I have, but what I haven't seen is an accurate way to determine how many were actually caused by covid19.

I also haven't seen the whole world shut down due to all the other things I listed, which have the potential to kill as many if not more than covid19.

The media has duped the masses again

By "the masses" you mean the scientific community and all of the world leaders and their governments who have led the response to the virus? But not you, no you're too clever for that, you can see that this whole thing is being driven by the media for the clear agenda of selling more newspapers or something...

No, by "The masses"
I mean the brain dead zombies that believe everything that they hear on their idiot box.

Got a question for you to think about, how many times throughout history do we later find out that the narrative that at the time was being presented as the truth was actually wrong or intentionally misleading?

As for listening to the GOVERNMENT
Let's look at what the word means, let's break it down.
The word 'Govern' is from the Latin verb Guverno, Guvernare which means "To control"
The word 'Ment' is a Latin noun Mens, Mentis which means "Mind"
= Mind Control

So keep listening to your Government tell you what to do through your idiot box


Ok so its the government doing this to "control the masses"? Seriously?

Lets look at this closer. In the US, you have an incumbent President, who is a filthy capitalist, seeking re-election in a vote THIS year, planning his whole strategy for re-election on a booming economy and he thought to himself..."I know what would seal the deal....if I make everyone stay inside and completely grind the economy into the ground...that'll work"

and in Australia, a conservative government, about to post a budget surplus ...."this is too easy, lets set a challenge and try to get unemployment up over 25%"

I am genuinely interested in what you think the government stands to gain in doing this?

Power and control


Not convinced without further explanation. Power & control only makes sense to me in a leftist, post modern or socialist scenario in which larger more involved government is the goal, but again when its a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, Johnson or Morrison government, I dont see that agenda and they only stand to lose, there is no win for them.

Im also pretty sure that three nights in ICU would not have been part of the grand plan for Boris.

So either you expand on your thoughts, or we are done.

Oh now I get it, you actually think these puppets you see on the TV are in control.

Now I understand why it makes no sense to you when I say "Power and control"
At least you're thinking now, most people aren't capable of doing even that.


Ok....so New World Order, implemented by the WHO. Am I right?

Is it led by the Chinese, Knights Templar or Alien Lizard people?

I just want to take this moment to thank you Tiger5150 for the effort in giving us a very well documented graph and explanation of such..
I do agree with most on here that we have to have restrictions like have been put in place to protect the community at large..
I also see the many arguments in regard to isolated NRL and other typical comparisons so as life can get back to as normal as possible..
I cant understand how people are still trying to shrug off this virus as it is only a flu,when so many people are dead and gravely ill from it and cases are still being uncovered daily all over the world..
Just this morning news.com stated that China is preparing for a second wave of this virus,it certainly looks bleak for the future if it is the case,restrictions may go longer than anticipated.
As for hangonaminute I truly believe he is living in a world of his own,to try and convince all and sundry that the Govt and expert medical advisors are trying mind and power control over us beggars belief,he surely is entitled to his opinion however,some of his remarks in regard to this topic cross the line of sensibility eg,trying to tell us more people die from being hit on the head by coconuts adds insult and injury to the many families worldwide that have lost loved ones,he obviously does not understand sensitive issues such as family loss especially if someone on this forum has lost someone through this or knows someone who has..


Thanks for the nice words TT.

Hangonaminutes position is kind of why I bother to post the data and graphs. If I'm honest with myself, I was kind of his position a month ago. Definitely not with the NWO rubbish, but I was underplaying the situation and the need for economy crushing restrictions. It wasnt until I started to put these numbers together to solve questions in my own mind that I started to realise the exponential nature of the growth and the repercussions of this growth. At the end of the day, the shear weight of numbers would crush us. Then I realised the serious nature of the crisis and took it seriously.

How long ago does that month seem?


A lifetime ago, havent seen my kids since.

Mate, that's horrible, I am very sorry to hear that. If you need to fill some time pop me a pm and we can find something to argue about!

I am actually being very genuine, if there is anything I can do don't hestitate to ask.

 

[Tiger5150]

Don't get caught up on numbers, we already know that the false positive test rate and false negative rates are outrageous so I really don't know how or where they're getting these numbers from because we have no accurate way of testing for it.

But the public love numbers, so they just give us numbers, highly inaccurate numbers and fancy graphs to satisfy the mindless morons.

"Hurry up Karen, the public need to see another graph, don't worry if it's not accurate they don't know anyway, they only know what we put on the graph, they'll believe whatever you put on there, we just need to show them lines and numbers"


Of course I dont think and I dont think anyone here thinks these numbers are definitive but based on the high number of testing carried out in Australia and the consistency of the data correlated against itself and also against hard figures that ARE definitive such as hospital admissions and deaths, the numbers are a good representation of whats going on.

False negatives or positives dont matter once people start arriving in Hospitals.

You cant see any value in comparisons of the data from Mid March to today?

I don't see any value in this whole thing, this whole thing has been a total overreaction the two doctors who started this whole "social isolation" thing have come out already and said their computer models were all wrong and their estimate of total number of deaths is going to be less than half predicted which is as many as a normal flu season

The prevention has and will cause more deaths and disruption to our lives than the virus itself.
They'll just be slower.

Are you going to stay inside until we get an effective vaccine for the flu, malaria, tuberculosis, or parasites like Chagas, elephantiasis, hookworm or liver flukes?

What about Nipah, Lassa or M.E respitory syndrome?

Lyme, West Nile, Zika, Hepatitis C?

What about respitory syncytial virus?

Shit, I bet you haven't even heard of half of these, you'll never go outside again.

You haven't seen the mass graves in New York? Or the nearly 10000 deaths in New York already?

Yes I have, but what I haven't seen is an accurate way to determine how many were actually caused by covid19.

I also haven't seen the whole world shut down due to all the other things I listed, which have the potential to kill as many if not more than covid19.

The media has duped the masses again

By "the masses" you mean the scientific community and all of the world leaders and their governments who have led the response to the virus? But not you, no you're too clever for that, you can see that this whole thing is being driven by the media for the clear agenda of selling more newspapers or something...

No, by "The masses"
I mean the brain dead zombies that believe everything that they hear on their idiot box.

Got a question for you to think about, how many times throughout history do we later find out that the narrative that at the time was being presented as the truth was actually wrong or intentionally misleading?

As for listening to the GOVERNMENT
Let's look at what the word means, let's break it down.
The word 'Govern' is from the Latin verb Guverno, Guvernare which means "To control"
The word 'Ment' is a Latin noun Mens, Mentis which means "Mind"
= Mind Control

So keep listening to your Government tell you what to do through your idiot box


Ok so its the government doing this to "control the masses"? Seriously?

Lets look at this closer. In the US, you have an incumbent President, who is a filthy capitalist, seeking re-election in a vote THIS year, planning his whole strategy for re-election on a booming economy and he thought to himself..."I know what would seal the deal....if I make everyone stay inside and completely grind the economy into the ground...that'll work"

and in Australia, a conservative government, about to post a budget surplus ...."this is too easy, lets set a challenge and try to get unemployment up over 25%"

I am genuinely interested in what you think the government stands to gain in doing this?

Power and control


Not convinced without further explanation. Power & control only makes sense to me in a leftist, post modern or socialist scenario in which larger more involved government is the goal, but again when its a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, Johnson or Morrison government, I dont see that agenda and they only stand to lose, there is no win for them.

Im also pretty sure that three nights in ICU would not have been part of the grand plan for Boris.

So either you expand on your thoughts, or we are done.

Oh now I get it, you actually think these puppets you see on the TV are in control.

Now I understand why it makes no sense to you when I say "Power and control"
At least you're thinking now, most people aren't capable of doing even that.


Ok....so New World Order, implemented by the WHO. Am I right?

Is it led by the Chinese, Knights Templar or Alien Lizard people?

I just want to take this moment to thank you Tiger5150 for the effort in giving us a very well documented graph and explanation of such..
I do agree with most on here that we have to have restrictions like have been put in place to protect the community at large..
I also see the many arguments in regard to isolated NRL and other typical comparisons so as life can get back to as normal as possible..
I cant understand how people are still trying to shrug off this virus as it is only a flu,when so many people are dead and gravely ill from it and cases are still being uncovered daily all over the world..
Just this morning news.com stated that China is preparing for a second wave of this virus,it certainly looks bleak for the future if it is the case,restrictions may go longer than anticipated.
As for hangonaminute I truly believe he is living in a world of his own,to try and convince all and sundry that the Govt and expert medical advisors are trying mind and power control over us beggars belief,he surely is entitled to his opinion however,some of his remarks in regard to this topic cross the line of sensibility eg,trying to tell us more people die from being hit on the head by coconuts adds insult and injury to the many families worldwide that have lost loved ones,he obviously does not understand sensitive issues such as family loss especially if someone on this forum has lost someone through this or knows someone who has..


Thanks for the nice words TT.

Hangonaminutes position is kind of why I bother to post the data and graphs. If I'm honest with myself, I was kind of his position a month ago. Definitely not with the NWO rubbish, but I was underplaying the situation and the need for economy crushing restrictions. It wasnt until I started to put these numbers together to solve questions in my own mind that I started to realise the exponential nature of the growth and the repercussions of this growth. At the end of the day, the shear weight of numbers would crush us. Then I realised the serious nature of the crisis and took it seriously.

How long ago does that month seem?


A lifetime ago, havent seen my kids since.

Mate, that's horrible, I am very sorry to hear that. If you need to fill some time pop me a pm and we can find something to argue about!

I am actually being very genuine, if there is anything I can do don't hestitate to ask.

Much appreciated mate. Im actually insanely busy with work which I am very grateful for.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

To be fair, I don't blame anyone for initially being ambivalent about the severity of the virus.

It seems like every couple of years there was a virus that was going to bring about the end times. SARS, bird flu, swine flu, MERS... I think the media had sensationalised it to a point where people are now just apathetic about it, a bit of a case of the boy who cried wolf.

 

[cochise]

Don't get caught up on numbers, we already know that the false positive test rate and false negative rates are outrageous so I really don't know how or where they're getting these numbers from because we have no accurate way of testing for it.

But the public love numbers, so they just give us numbers, highly inaccurate numbers and fancy graphs to satisfy the mindless morons.

"Hurry up Karen, the public need to see another graph, don't worry if it's not accurate they don't know anyway, they only know what we put on the graph, they'll believe whatever you put on there, we just need to show them lines and numbers"


Of course I dont think and I dont think anyone here thinks these numbers are definitive but based on the high number of testing carried out in Australia and the consistency of the data correlated against itself and also against hard figures that ARE definitive such as hospital admissions and deaths, the numbers are a good representation of whats going on.

False negatives or positives dont matter once people start arriving in Hospitals.

You cant see any value in comparisons of the data from Mid March to today?

I don't see any value in this whole thing, this whole thing has been a total overreaction the two doctors who started this whole "social isolation" thing have come out already and said their computer models were all wrong and their estimate of total number of deaths is going to be less than half predicted which is as many as a normal flu season

The prevention has and will cause more deaths and disruption to our lives than the virus itself.
They'll just be slower.

Are you going to stay inside until we get an effective vaccine for the flu, malaria, tuberculosis, or parasites like Chagas, elephantiasis, hookworm or liver flukes?

What about Nipah, Lassa or M.E respitory syndrome?

Lyme, West Nile, Zika, Hepatitis C?

What about respitory syncytial virus?

Shit, I bet you haven't even heard of half of these, you'll never go outside again.

You haven't seen the mass graves in New York? Or the nearly 10000 deaths in New York already?

Yes I have, but what I haven't seen is an accurate way to determine how many were actually caused by covid19.

I also haven't seen the whole world shut down due to all the other things I listed, which have the potential to kill as many if not more than covid19.

The media has duped the masses again

By "the masses" you mean the scientific community and all of the world leaders and their governments who have led the response to the virus? But not you, no you're too clever for that, you can see that this whole thing is being driven by the media for the clear agenda of selling more newspapers or something...

No, by "The masses"
I mean the brain dead zombies that believe everything that they hear on their idiot box.

Got a question for you to think about, how many times throughout history do we later find out that the narrative that at the time was being presented as the truth was actually wrong or intentionally misleading?

As for listening to the GOVERNMENT
Let's look at what the word means, let's break it down.
The word 'Govern' is from the Latin verb Guverno, Guvernare which means "To control"
The word 'Ment' is a Latin noun Mens, Mentis which means "Mind"
= Mind Control

So keep listening to your Government tell you what to do through your idiot box


Ok so its the government doing this to "control the masses"? Seriously?

Lets look at this closer. In the US, you have an incumbent President, who is a filthy capitalist, seeking re-election in a vote THIS year, planning his whole strategy for re-election on a booming economy and he thought to himself..."I know what would seal the deal....if I make everyone stay inside and completely grind the economy into the ground...that'll work"

and in Australia, a conservative government, about to post a budget surplus ...."this is too easy, lets set a challenge and try to get unemployment up over 25%"

I am genuinely interested in what you think the government stands to gain in doing this?

Power and control


Not convinced without further explanation. Power & control only makes sense to me in a leftist, post modern or socialist scenario in which larger more involved government is the goal, but again when its a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, Johnson or Morrison government, I dont see that agenda and they only stand to lose, there is no win for them.

Im also pretty sure that three nights in ICU would not have been part of the grand plan for Boris.

So either you expand on your thoughts, or we are done.

Oh now I get it, you actually think these puppets you see on the TV are in control.

Now I understand why it makes no sense to you when I say "Power and control"
At least you're thinking now, most people aren't capable of doing even that.


Ok....so New World Order, implemented by the WHO. Am I right?

Is it led by the Chinese, Knights Templar or Alien Lizard people?

I just want to take this moment to thank you Tiger5150 for the effort in giving us a very well documented graph and explanation of such..
I do agree with most on here that we have to have restrictions like have been put in place to protect the community at large..
I also see the many arguments in regard to isolated NRL and other typical comparisons so as life can get back to as normal as possible..
I cant understand how people are still trying to shrug off this virus as it is only a flu,when so many people are dead and gravely ill from it and cases are still being uncovered daily all over the world..
Just this morning news.com stated that China is preparing for a second wave of this virus,it certainly looks bleak for the future if it is the case,restrictions may go longer than anticipated.
As for hangonaminute I truly believe he is living in a world of his own,to try and convince all and sundry that the Govt and expert medical advisors are trying mind and power control over us beggars belief,he surely is entitled to his opinion however,some of his remarks in regard to this topic cross the line of sensibility eg,trying to tell us more people die from being hit on the head by coconuts adds insult and injury to the many families worldwide that have lost loved ones,he obviously does not understand sensitive issues such as family loss especially if someone on this forum has lost someone through this or knows someone who has..


Thanks for the nice words TT.

Hangonaminutes position is kind of why I bother to post the data and graphs. If I'm honest with myself, I was kind of his position a month ago. Definitely not with the NWO rubbish, but I was underplaying the situation and the need for economy crushing restrictions. It wasnt until I started to put these numbers together to solve questions in my own mind that I started to realise the exponential nature of the growth and the repercussions of this growth. At the end of the day, the shear weight of numbers would crush us. Then I realised the serious nature of the crisis and took it seriously.

How long ago does that month seem?


A lifetime ago, havent seen my kids since.

Mate, that's horrible, I am very sorry to hear that. If you need to fill some time pop me a pm and we can find something to argue about!

I am actually being very genuine, if there is anything I can do don't hestitate to ask.


Much appreciated mate. Im actually insanely busy with work which I am very grateful for.

I hope you are getting plenty of video calls with your kids mate and you get to see them soon!