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Funny that we're having a massive national debate over privacy due to this app.

But the FAR more Orwellian metadata laws went through with barely a murmur - which mandate recording and storage for 2 years of all your location data, who you communicate with, your internet search history etc
 
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145525) said:
I'm not into the apps ...but couldn't you just delete it as soon as the threat of COVID had passed ....

That's why I think the app is a waste of time, until this threat has passed who in their right mind is going to spend 15mins within 1.5m of a stranger?

If you will, then the app isn't going to save you anyway.
If you won't, then you don't need the app.
 
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145564) said:
@trentrunciman said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145559) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145557) said:
@trentrunciman said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145512) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145510) said:
@Cultured_Bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145506) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145466) said:
@Strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145363) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145336) said:
@Strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145185) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145180) said:
@Strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145167) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145154) said:
Someone mentioned Vitamin B ...where has anyone in all of this been told we can't exercise .....or even sunbathe in your back yard

People don’t have backyards mate . And many are listening to the media , agenda driven panic merchants , who just want to drive hysteria for the clicks .
So many people , especially woman , who IMO have an already in built , genetic flight response , just are hiding inside .
To dismiss this , is naive at best. Many people are too scared to go outside at all , which like you said is over reacting , but it’s still happening.
Until the general consensus is lift the restrictions , these types , which due to some mental health issues in my family recently , Im starting to be more aware of , are really at risk.
And as the majority of our nation live in cities , and the general isolation , people tend to feel in the biggest cities , this is a huge issue.
Domestic violence , alchohol use , online gambling , are through the roof. This isn’t good , as a potential on going social issue post COVID.

I agree, there are many bad things as a result of restrictions, but the alternatives are worse and today being ANZAC day, it reminds us of who is most likely to be affected by this. Both by solitude for recent service personnel and if we don't continue social distancing on a suitable scale as things improve, those that served in Vietnam, Korea etcetera and the children that grew up in the second world war, along with the few remaining survivors of that conflict, it often means direct death.

I am surrounded with the mental health issues you alluded to at home and helping out my very affected sister daily, so I completely understand your concerns, but I am not willing to sacrifice my parents, along with their generation and similar others for the sake of more freedoms.

Mate , I’m 1 of those people . 3 people I served with topped themselves in the last 3 months.
And there’s are at least another 2 , we are really concerned about , as they won’t answer calls and no one knows exactly where they live , since this kicked off.
There were over 3000 deaths in 2019 from suicide , just knowing from the conversations I’ve had , we all just want support and feel like there’s none out there. VVCS is a joke , and the waiting list now is like 6 months just to get a call back.
I didn’t want to talk about this directly , but I am so concerned about days like today , hence my posting today. And that’s just returned serviceman.
There’s so many vulnerable people , out there who can’t just “go sit on their balcony”
The cure can’t be worse than the cause.

Please don't leave the forum. Keep posting mate but may I suggest try not take things personally.
Stay with us.... Even chatting here helps... As they say we all In this together

Mate thank you for your concern, but this wasn’t me reaching out for help . It was me being an advocate for those who won’t ask for it .
And just being generally disgusted with the way some of our society have drilled down on anyone not complying with what they perceive is the right thing to do, based on their own bubble. Which , frustrates me , as , any opinion I have today , can and should be open to change at a moments notice , when presented with facts. I don’t look for confirmation bias . Or echo chambers. Which reading this thread really felt like that to me .
It reminds me of V for Vendetta , or any other story about Dystopias. As this forum is a reflection of the rest of society. And you all should be very concerned about how easily , some , including some of you, have embraced this to an almost manic enforcement . Sure most because they want to protect the ones they love , but for some , it’s about having power over influencing other people . Nothing at all to do with covid.
The sooner we return to something resembling regular life , the better , as the longer it goes , the more brazen and justified these people will feel .
I’ts not conspiracies and nonsense either . It’s human nature . That’s why there’s so many books about it . And it’s happened before . The Spanish Inquisition, straight off the top of my head.

Someone here gets it, I said this from the beginning and I haven't seen anything to change my mind.

The prevention will be more harmful than the virus itself.

There will be a point where that will be the case.

The lockdowns were a reasonable initial response as the health system would be overloaded with virus patients. You know who else suffers when the health system is overloaded? People being admitted for strokes, pulmonary embolisms, heart attacks, ruptured aneurysms, organ failure, haemorrhages and anything else that requires immediate attention and resources that would not be available due to COVID patients stacking up. It's a two fold effect.

I dispute the long term implementation of lockdown measures, but as an initial response they undoubtedly have limited the effect on the health system and limited the amount of deaths. You're one of the people who were invariably going to show up when the numbers dropped and harp on about how the measures were heavy handed and they were never required whilst turning a blind eye to the catalyst to the drop in numbers. Look at the US, Spain and Italy as to what happens when you sit on your hands.

By the way, do you have Facebook?

Never been on any social media, never will.

Not even the Gram? :frowning:

I really don't think people care about what I'm doing with my life, I'm not from the generation who feels they have to share everything with the world, so I've never understood social media, it's just not my thing.
The people who need to know know.
I prefer real relationships than cyber ones, maybe I'm weird

good for a perv but

So is going to the beach lol

Yeah but people won't appreciate you trying to uncork yourself at the beach.
 
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145568) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145525) said:
I'm not into the apps ...but couldn't you just delete it as soon as the threat of COVID had passed ....

That's why I think the app is a waste of time, until this threat has passed who in their right mind is going to spend 15mins within 1.5m of a stranger?

If you will, then the app isn't going to save you anyway.
If you won't, then you don't need the app.

Public transport?
 
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145561) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145557) said:
@trentrunciman said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145512) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145510) said:
@Cultured_Bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145506) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145466) said:
@Strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145363) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145336) said:
@Strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145185) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145180) said:
@Strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145167) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145154) said:
Someone mentioned Vitamin B ...where has anyone in all of this been told we can't exercise .....or even sunbathe in your back yard

People don’t have backyards mate . And many are listening to the media , agenda driven panic merchants , who just want to drive hysteria for the clicks .
So many people , especially woman , who IMO have an already in built , genetic flight response , just are hiding inside .
To dismiss this , is naive at best. Many people are too scared to go outside at all , which like you said is over reacting , but it’s still happening.
Until the general consensus is lift the restrictions , these types , which due to some mental health issues in my family recently , Im starting to be more aware of , are really at risk.
And as the majority of our nation live in cities , and the general isolation , people tend to feel in the biggest cities , this is a huge issue.
Domestic violence , alchohol use , online gambling , are through the roof. This isn’t good , as a potential on going social issue post COVID.

I agree, there are many bad things as a result of restrictions, but the alternatives are worse and today being ANZAC day, it reminds us of who is most likely to be affected by this. Both by solitude for recent service personnel and if we don't continue social distancing on a suitable scale as things improve, those that served in Vietnam, Korea etcetera and the children that grew up in the second world war, along with the few remaining survivors of that conflict, it often means direct death.

I am surrounded with the mental health issues you alluded to at home and helping out my very affected sister daily, so I completely understand your concerns, but I am not willing to sacrifice my parents, along with their generation and similar others for the sake of more freedoms.

Mate , I’m 1 of those people . 3 people I served with topped themselves in the last 3 months.
And there’s are at least another 2 , we are really concerned about , as they won’t answer calls and no one knows exactly where they live , since this kicked off.
There were over 3000 deaths in 2019 from suicide , just knowing from the conversations I’ve had , we all just want support and feel like there’s none out there. VVCS is a joke , and the waiting list now is like 6 months just to get a call back.
I didn’t want to talk about this directly , but I am so concerned about days like today , hence my posting today. And that’s just returned serviceman.
There’s so many vulnerable people , out there who can’t just “go sit on their balcony”
The cure can’t be worse than the cause.

Please don't leave the forum. Keep posting mate but may I suggest try not take things personally.
Stay with us.... Even chatting here helps... As they say we all In this together

Mate thank you for your concern, but this wasn’t me reaching out for help . It was me being an advocate for those who won’t ask for it .
And just being generally disgusted with the way some of our society have drilled down on anyone not complying with what they perceive is the right thing to do, based on their own bubble. Which , frustrates me , as , any opinion I have today , can and should be open to change at a moments notice , when presented with facts. I don’t look for confirmation bias . Or echo chambers. Which reading this thread really felt like that to me .
It reminds me of V for Vendetta , or any other story about Dystopias. As this forum is a reflection of the rest of society. And you all should be very concerned about how easily , some , including some of you, have embraced this to an almost manic enforcement . Sure most because they want to protect the ones they love , but for some , it’s about having power over influencing other people . Nothing at all to do with covid.
The sooner we return to something resembling regular life , the better , as the longer it goes , the more brazen and justified these people will feel .
I’ts not conspiracies and nonsense either . It’s human nature . That’s why there’s so many books about it . And it’s happened before . The Spanish Inquisition, straight off the top of my head.

Someone here gets it, I said this from the beginning and I haven't seen anything to change my mind.

The prevention will be more harmful than the virus itself.

There will be a point where that will be the case.

The lockdowns were a reasonable initial response as the health system would be overloaded with virus patients. You know who else suffers when the health system is overloaded? People being admitted for strokes, pulmonary embolisms, heart attacks, ruptured aneurysms, organ failure, haemorrhages and anything else that requires immediate attention and resources that would not be available due to COVID patients stacking up. It's a two fold effect.

I dispute the long term implementation of lockdown measures, but as an initial response they undoubtedly have limited the effect on the health system and limited the amount of deaths. You're one of the people who were invariably going to show up when the numbers dropped and harp on about how the measures were heavy handed and they were never required whilst turning a blind eye to the catalyst to the drop in numbers. Look at the US, Spain and Italy as to what happens when you sit on your hands.

By the way, do you have Facebook?

Never been on any social media, never will.

Not even the Gram? :frowning:

I really don't think people care about what I'm doing with my life, I'm not from the generation who feels they have to share everything with the world, so I've never understood social media, it's just not my thing.
The people who need to know know.
I prefer real relationships than cyber ones, maybe I'm weird

See I agree with this point, the only social media I use are places like this, I'm not on facebook etc. Just try to understand a topic before you get all indignant and you will have more support.

Not interested in support, I'm only here because I support the Weststigers, I'm not looking for people to agree with me, I can elsewhere for a circle jerk
 
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145571) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145561) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145557) said:
@trentrunciman said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145512) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145510) said:
@Cultured_Bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145506) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145466) said:
@Strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145363) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145336) said:
@Strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145185) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145180) said:
@Strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145167) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145154) said:
Someone mentioned Vitamin B ...where has anyone in all of this been told we can't exercise .....or even sunbathe in your back yard

People don’t have backyards mate . And many are listening to the media , agenda driven panic merchants , who just want to drive hysteria for the clicks .
So many people , especially woman , who IMO have an already in built , genetic flight response , just are hiding inside .
To dismiss this , is naive at best. Many people are too scared to go outside at all , which like you said is over reacting , but it’s still happening.
Until the general consensus is lift the restrictions , these types , which due to some mental health issues in my family recently , Im starting to be more aware of , are really at risk.
And as the majority of our nation live in cities , and the general isolation , people tend to feel in the biggest cities , this is a huge issue.
Domestic violence , alchohol use , online gambling , are through the roof. This isn’t good , as a potential on going social issue post COVID.

I agree, there are many bad things as a result of restrictions, but the alternatives are worse and today being ANZAC day, it reminds us of who is most likely to be affected by this. Both by solitude for recent service personnel and if we don't continue social distancing on a suitable scale as things improve, those that served in Vietnam, Korea etcetera and the children that grew up in the second world war, along with the few remaining survivors of that conflict, it often means direct death.

I am surrounded with the mental health issues you alluded to at home and helping out my very affected sister daily, so I completely understand your concerns, but I am not willing to sacrifice my parents, along with their generation and similar others for the sake of more freedoms.

Mate , I’m 1 of those people . 3 people I served with topped themselves in the last 3 months.
And there’s are at least another 2 , we are really concerned about , as they won’t answer calls and no one knows exactly where they live , since this kicked off.
There were over 3000 deaths in 2019 from suicide , just knowing from the conversations I’ve had , we all just want support and feel like there’s none out there. VVCS is a joke , and the waiting list now is like 6 months just to get a call back.
I didn’t want to talk about this directly , but I am so concerned about days like today , hence my posting today. And that’s just returned serviceman.
There’s so many vulnerable people , out there who can’t just “go sit on their balcony”
The cure can’t be worse than the cause.

Please don't leave the forum. Keep posting mate but may I suggest try not take things personally.
Stay with us.... Even chatting here helps... As they say we all In this together

Mate thank you for your concern, but this wasn’t me reaching out for help . It was me being an advocate for those who won’t ask for it .
And just being generally disgusted with the way some of our society have drilled down on anyone not complying with what they perceive is the right thing to do, based on their own bubble. Which , frustrates me , as , any opinion I have today , can and should be open to change at a moments notice , when presented with facts. I don’t look for confirmation bias . Or echo chambers. Which reading this thread really felt like that to me .
It reminds me of V for Vendetta , or any other story about Dystopias. As this forum is a reflection of the rest of society. And you all should be very concerned about how easily , some , including some of you, have embraced this to an almost manic enforcement . Sure most because they want to protect the ones they love , but for some , it’s about having power over influencing other people . Nothing at all to do with covid.
The sooner we return to something resembling regular life , the better , as the longer it goes , the more brazen and justified these people will feel .
I’ts not conspiracies and nonsense either . It’s human nature . That’s why there’s so many books about it . And it’s happened before . The Spanish Inquisition, straight off the top of my head.

Someone here gets it, I said this from the beginning and I haven't seen anything to change my mind.

The prevention will be more harmful than the virus itself.

There will be a point where that will be the case.

The lockdowns were a reasonable initial response as the health system would be overloaded with virus patients. You know who else suffers when the health system is overloaded? People being admitted for strokes, pulmonary embolisms, heart attacks, ruptured aneurysms, organ failure, haemorrhages and anything else that requires immediate attention and resources that would not be available due to COVID patients stacking up. It's a two fold effect.

I dispute the long term implementation of lockdown measures, but as an initial response they undoubtedly have limited the effect on the health system and limited the amount of deaths. You're one of the people who were invariably going to show up when the numbers dropped and harp on about how the measures were heavy handed and they were never required whilst turning a blind eye to the catalyst to the drop in numbers. Look at the US, Spain and Italy as to what happens when you sit on your hands.

By the way, do you have Facebook?

Never been on any social media, never will.

Not even the Gram? :frowning:

I really don't think people care about what I'm doing with my life, I'm not from the generation who feels they have to share everything with the world, so I've never understood social media, it's just not my thing.
The people who need to know know.
I prefer real relationships than cyber ones, maybe I'm weird

See I agree with this point, the only social media I use are places like this, I'm not on facebook etc. Just try to understand a topic before you get all indignant and you will have more support.

Not interested in support, I'm only here because I support the Weststigers, I'm not looking for people to agree with me, I can elsewhere for a circle j**k

Is that why you go to the beach? Only a joke mate.
 
@TillLindemann said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145567) said:
Funny that we're having a massive national debate over privacy due to this app.

But the FAR more Orwellian metadata laws went through with barely a murmur - which mandate recording and storage for 2 years of all your location data, who you communicate with, your internet search history etc

Yes, but that doesn't fit the population control narrative which requires that the government make everyone do something that they believe is for some noble purpose, but is really for an ulterior malign purpose - see anti-vaxxers etc. Limited imagination...
 
@trentrunciman said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145559) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145557) said:
@trentrunciman said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145512) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145510) said:
@Cultured_Bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145506) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145466) said:
@Strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145363) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145336) said:
@Strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145185) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145180) said:
@Strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145167) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145154) said:
Someone mentioned Vitamin B ...where has anyone in all of this been told we can't exercise .....or even sunbathe in your back yard

People don’t have backyards mate . And many are listening to the media , agenda driven panic merchants , who just want to drive hysteria for the clicks .
So many people , especially woman , who IMO have an already in built , genetic flight response , just are hiding inside .
To dismiss this , is naive at best. Many people are too scared to go outside at all , which like you said is over reacting , but it’s still happening.
Until the general consensus is lift the restrictions , these types , which due to some mental health issues in my family recently , Im starting to be more aware of , are really at risk.
And as the majority of our nation live in cities , and the general isolation , people tend to feel in the biggest cities , this is a huge issue.
Domestic violence , alchohol use , online gambling , are through the roof. This isn’t good , as a potential on going social issue post COVID.

I agree, there are many bad things as a result of restrictions, but the alternatives are worse and today being ANZAC day, it reminds us of who is most likely to be affected by this. Both by solitude for recent service personnel and if we don't continue social distancing on a suitable scale as things improve, those that served in Vietnam, Korea etcetera and the children that grew up in the second world war, along with the few remaining survivors of that conflict, it often means direct death.

I am surrounded with the mental health issues you alluded to at home and helping out my very affected sister daily, so I completely understand your concerns, but I am not willing to sacrifice my parents, along with their generation and similar others for the sake of more freedoms.

Mate , I’m 1 of those people . 3 people I served with topped themselves in the last 3 months.
And there’s are at least another 2 , we are really concerned about , as they won’t answer calls and no one knows exactly where they live , since this kicked off.
There were over 3000 deaths in 2019 from suicide , just knowing from the conversations I’ve had , we all just want support and feel like there’s none out there. VVCS is a joke , and the waiting list now is like 6 months just to get a call back.
I didn’t want to talk about this directly , but I am so concerned about days like today , hence my posting today. And that’s just returned serviceman.
There’s so many vulnerable people , out there who can’t just “go sit on their balcony”
The cure can’t be worse than the cause.

Please don't leave the forum. Keep posting mate but may I suggest try not take things personally.
Stay with us.... Even chatting here helps... As they say we all In this together

Mate thank you for your concern, but this wasn’t me reaching out for help . It was me being an advocate for those who won’t ask for it .
And just being generally disgusted with the way some of our society have drilled down on anyone not complying with what they perceive is the right thing to do, based on their own bubble. Which , frustrates me , as , any opinion I have today , can and should be open to change at a moments notice , when presented with facts. I don’t look for confirmation bias . Or echo chambers. Which reading this thread really felt like that to me .
It reminds me of V for Vendetta , or any other story about Dystopias. As this forum is a reflection of the rest of society. And you all should be very concerned about how easily , some , including some of you, have embraced this to an almost manic enforcement . Sure most because they want to protect the ones they love , but for some , it’s about having power over influencing other people . Nothing at all to do with covid.
The sooner we return to something resembling regular life , the better , as the longer it goes , the more brazen and justified these people will feel .
I’ts not conspiracies and nonsense either . It’s human nature . That’s why there’s so many books about it . And it’s happened before . The Spanish Inquisition, straight off the top of my head.

Someone here gets it, I said this from the beginning and I haven't seen anything to change my mind.

The prevention will be more harmful than the virus itself.

There will be a point where that will be the case.

The lockdowns were a reasonable initial response as the health system would be overloaded with virus patients. You know who else suffers when the health system is overloaded? People being admitted for strokes, pulmonary embolisms, heart attacks, ruptured aneurysms, organ failure, haemorrhages and anything else that requires immediate attention and resources that would not be available due to COVID patients stacking up. It's a two fold effect.

I dispute the long term implementation of lockdown measures, but as an initial response they undoubtedly have limited the effect on the health system and limited the amount of deaths. You're one of the people who were invariably going to show up when the numbers dropped and harp on about how the measures were heavy handed and they were never required whilst turning a blind eye to the catalyst to the drop in numbers. Look at the US, Spain and Italy as to what happens when you sit on your hands.

By the way, do you have Facebook?

Never been on any social media, never will.

Not even the Gram? :frowning:

I really don't think people care about what I'm doing with my life, I'm not from the generation who feels they have to share everything with the world, so I've never understood social media, it's just not my thing.
The people who need to know know.
I prefer real relationships than cyber ones, maybe I'm weird

good for a perv but

Look what you're giving up, for a perv.
Where I live, I have no shortage of perv
 
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145568) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145525) said:
I'm not into the apps ...but couldn't you just delete it as soon as the threat of COVID had passed ....

That's why I think the app is a waste of time, until this threat has passed who in their right mind is going to spend 15mins within 1.5m of a stranger?

If you will, then the app isn't going to save you anyway.
If you won't, then you don't need the app.

As I said, when I return to work there are situations where I may need to.
 
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145572) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145571) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145561) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145557) said:
@trentrunciman said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145512) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145510) said:
@Cultured_Bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145506) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145466) said:
@Strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145363) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145336) said:
@Strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145185) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145180) said:
@Strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145167) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145154) said:
Someone mentioned Vitamin B ...where has anyone in all of this been told we can't exercise .....or even sunbathe in your back yard

People don’t have backyards mate . And many are listening to the media , agenda driven panic merchants , who just want to drive hysteria for the clicks .
So many people , especially woman , who IMO have an already in built , genetic flight response , just are hiding inside .
To dismiss this , is naive at best. Many people are too scared to go outside at all , which like you said is over reacting , but it’s still happening.
Until the general consensus is lift the restrictions , these types , which due to some mental health issues in my family recently , Im starting to be more aware of , are really at risk.
And as the majority of our nation live in cities , and the general isolation , people tend to feel in the biggest cities , this is a huge issue.
Domestic violence , alchohol use , online gambling , are through the roof. This isn’t good , as a potential on going social issue post COVID.

I agree, there are many bad things as a result of restrictions, but the alternatives are worse and today being ANZAC day, it reminds us of who is most likely to be affected by this. Both by solitude for recent service personnel and if we don't continue social distancing on a suitable scale as things improve, those that served in Vietnam, Korea etcetera and the children that grew up in the second world war, along with the few remaining survivors of that conflict, it often means direct death.

I am surrounded with the mental health issues you alluded to at home and helping out my very affected sister daily, so I completely understand your concerns, but I am not willing to sacrifice my parents, along with their generation and similar others for the sake of more freedoms.

Mate , I’m 1 of those people . 3 people I served with topped themselves in the last 3 months.
And there’s are at least another 2 , we are really concerned about , as they won’t answer calls and no one knows exactly where they live , since this kicked off.
There were over 3000 deaths in 2019 from suicide , just knowing from the conversations I’ve had , we all just want support and feel like there’s none out there. VVCS is a joke , and the waiting list now is like 6 months just to get a call back.
I didn’t want to talk about this directly , but I am so concerned about days like today , hence my posting today. And that’s just returned serviceman.
There’s so many vulnerable people , out there who can’t just “go sit on their balcony”
The cure can’t be worse than the cause.

Please don't leave the forum. Keep posting mate but may I suggest try not take things personally.
Stay with us.... Even chatting here helps... As they say we all In this together

Mate thank you for your concern, but this wasn’t me reaching out for help . It was me being an advocate for those who won’t ask for it .
And just being generally disgusted with the way some of our society have drilled down on anyone not complying with what they perceive is the right thing to do, based on their own bubble. Which , frustrates me , as , any opinion I have today , can and should be open to change at a moments notice , when presented with facts. I don’t look for confirmation bias . Or echo chambers. Which reading this thread really felt like that to me .
It reminds me of V for Vendetta , or any other story about Dystopias. As this forum is a reflection of the rest of society. And you all should be very concerned about how easily , some , including some of you, have embraced this to an almost manic enforcement . Sure most because they want to protect the ones they love , but for some , it’s about having power over influencing other people . Nothing at all to do with covid.
The sooner we return to something resembling regular life , the better , as the longer it goes , the more brazen and justified these people will feel .
I’ts not conspiracies and nonsense either . It’s human nature . That’s why there’s so many books about it . And it’s happened before . The Spanish Inquisition, straight off the top of my head.

Someone here gets it, I said this from the beginning and I haven't seen anything to change my mind.

The prevention will be more harmful than the virus itself.

There will be a point where that will be the case.

The lockdowns were a reasonable initial response as the health system would be overloaded with virus patients. You know who else suffers when the health system is overloaded? People being admitted for strokes, pulmonary embolisms, heart attacks, ruptured aneurysms, organ failure, haemorrhages and anything else that requires immediate attention and resources that would not be available due to COVID patients stacking up. It's a two fold effect.

I dispute the long term implementation of lockdown measures, but as an initial response they undoubtedly have limited the effect on the health system and limited the amount of deaths. You're one of the people who were invariably going to show up when the numbers dropped and harp on about how the measures were heavy handed and they were never required whilst turning a blind eye to the catalyst to the drop in numbers. Look at the US, Spain and Italy as to what happens when you sit on your hands.

By the way, do you have Facebook?

Never been on any social media, never will.

Not even the Gram? :frowning:

I really don't think people care about what I'm doing with my life, I'm not from the generation who feels they have to share everything with the world, so I've never understood social media, it's just not my thing.
The people who need to know know.
I prefer real relationships than cyber ones, maybe I'm weird

See I agree with this point, the only social media I use are places like this, I'm not on facebook etc. Just try to understand a topic before you get all indignant and you will have more support.

Not interested in support, I'm only here because I support the Weststigers, I'm not looking for people to agree with me, I can elsewhere for a circle j**k

Is that why you go to the beach? Only a joke mate.

Hahaaaaaa
 
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145571) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145561) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145557) said:
@trentrunciman said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145512) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145510) said:
@Cultured_Bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145506) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145466) said:
@Strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145363) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145336) said:
@Strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145185) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145180) said:
@Strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145167) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145154) said:
Someone mentioned Vitamin B ...where has anyone in all of this been told we can't exercise .....or even sunbathe in your back yard

People don’t have backyards mate . And many are listening to the media , agenda driven panic merchants , who just want to drive hysteria for the clicks .
So many people , especially woman , who IMO have an already in built , genetic flight response , just are hiding inside .
To dismiss this , is naive at best. Many people are too scared to go outside at all , which like you said is over reacting , but it’s still happening.
Until the general consensus is lift the restrictions , these types , which due to some mental health issues in my family recently , Im starting to be more aware of , are really at risk.
And as the majority of our nation live in cities , and the general isolation , people tend to feel in the biggest cities , this is a huge issue.
Domestic violence , alchohol use , online gambling , are through the roof. This isn’t good , as a potential on going social issue post COVID.

I agree, there are many bad things as a result of restrictions, but the alternatives are worse and today being ANZAC day, it reminds us of who is most likely to be affected by this. Both by solitude for recent service personnel and if we don't continue social distancing on a suitable scale as things improve, those that served in Vietnam, Korea etcetera and the children that grew up in the second world war, along with the few remaining survivors of that conflict, it often means direct death.

I am surrounded with the mental health issues you alluded to at home and helping out my very affected sister daily, so I completely understand your concerns, but I am not willing to sacrifice my parents, along with their generation and similar others for the sake of more freedoms.

Mate , I’m 1 of those people . 3 people I served with topped themselves in the last 3 months.
And there’s are at least another 2 , we are really concerned about , as they won’t answer calls and no one knows exactly where they live , since this kicked off.
There were over 3000 deaths in 2019 from suicide , just knowing from the conversations I’ve had , we all just want support and feel like there’s none out there. VVCS is a joke , and the waiting list now is like 6 months just to get a call back.
I didn’t want to talk about this directly , but I am so concerned about days like today , hence my posting today. And that’s just returned serviceman.
There’s so many vulnerable people , out there who can’t just “go sit on their balcony”
The cure can’t be worse than the cause.

Please don't leave the forum. Keep posting mate but may I suggest try not take things personally.
Stay with us.... Even chatting here helps... As they say we all In this together

Mate thank you for your concern, but this wasn’t me reaching out for help . It was me being an advocate for those who won’t ask for it .
And just being generally disgusted with the way some of our society have drilled down on anyone not complying with what they perceive is the right thing to do, based on their own bubble. Which , frustrates me , as , any opinion I have today , can and should be open to change at a moments notice , when presented with facts. I don’t look for confirmation bias . Or echo chambers. Which reading this thread really felt like that to me .
It reminds me of V for Vendetta , or any other story about Dystopias. As this forum is a reflection of the rest of society. And you all should be very concerned about how easily , some , including some of you, have embraced this to an almost manic enforcement . Sure most because they want to protect the ones they love , but for some , it’s about having power over influencing other people . Nothing at all to do with covid.
The sooner we return to something resembling regular life , the better , as the longer it goes , the more brazen and justified these people will feel .
I’ts not conspiracies and nonsense either . It’s human nature . That’s why there’s so many books about it . And it’s happened before . The Spanish Inquisition, straight off the top of my head.

Someone here gets it, I said this from the beginning and I haven't seen anything to change my mind.

The prevention will be more harmful than the virus itself.

There will be a point where that will be the case.

The lockdowns were a reasonable initial response as the health system would be overloaded with virus patients. You know who else suffers when the health system is overloaded? People being admitted for strokes, pulmonary embolisms, heart attacks, ruptured aneurysms, organ failure, haemorrhages and anything else that requires immediate attention and resources that would not be available due to COVID patients stacking up. It's a two fold effect.

I dispute the long term implementation of lockdown measures, but as an initial response they undoubtedly have limited the effect on the health system and limited the amount of deaths. You're one of the people who were invariably going to show up when the numbers dropped and harp on about how the measures were heavy handed and they were never required whilst turning a blind eye to the catalyst to the drop in numbers. Look at the US, Spain and Italy as to what happens when you sit on your hands.

By the way, do you have Facebook?

Never been on any social media, never will.

Not even the Gram? :frowning:

I really don't think people care about what I'm doing with my life, I'm not from the generation who feels they have to share everything with the world, so I've never understood social media, it's just not my thing.
The people who need to know know.
I prefer real relationships than cyber ones, maybe I'm weird

See I agree with this point, the only social media I use are places like this, I'm not on facebook etc. Just try to understand a topic before you get all indignant and you will have more support.

Not interested in support, I'm only here because I support the Weststigers, I'm not looking for people to agree with me, I can elsewhere for a circle j**k

dw, you're all good with me man! :heart_eyes: :man-heart-man:
 
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145575) said:
@trentrunciman said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145559) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145557) said:
@trentrunciman said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145512) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145510) said:
@Cultured_Bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145506) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145466) said:
@Strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145363) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145336) said:
@Strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145185) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145180) said:
@Strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145167) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145154) said:
Someone mentioned Vitamin B ...where has anyone in all of this been told we can't exercise .....or even sunbathe in your back yard

People don’t have backyards mate . And many are listening to the media , agenda driven panic merchants , who just want to drive hysteria for the clicks .
So many people , especially woman , who IMO have an already in built , genetic flight response , just are hiding inside .
To dismiss this , is naive at best. Many people are too scared to go outside at all , which like you said is over reacting , but it’s still happening.
Until the general consensus is lift the restrictions , these types , which due to some mental health issues in my family recently , Im starting to be more aware of , are really at risk.
And as the majority of our nation live in cities , and the general isolation , people tend to feel in the biggest cities , this is a huge issue.
Domestic violence , alchohol use , online gambling , are through the roof. This isn’t good , as a potential on going social issue post COVID.

I agree, there are many bad things as a result of restrictions, but the alternatives are worse and today being ANZAC day, it reminds us of who is most likely to be affected by this. Both by solitude for recent service personnel and if we don't continue social distancing on a suitable scale as things improve, those that served in Vietnam, Korea etcetera and the children that grew up in the second world war, along with the few remaining survivors of that conflict, it often means direct death.

I am surrounded with the mental health issues you alluded to at home and helping out my very affected sister daily, so I completely understand your concerns, but I am not willing to sacrifice my parents, along with their generation and similar others for the sake of more freedoms.

Mate , I’m 1 of those people . 3 people I served with topped themselves in the last 3 months.
And there’s are at least another 2 , we are really concerned about , as they won’t answer calls and no one knows exactly where they live , since this kicked off.
There were over 3000 deaths in 2019 from suicide , just knowing from the conversations I’ve had , we all just want support and feel like there’s none out there. VVCS is a joke , and the waiting list now is like 6 months just to get a call back.
I didn’t want to talk about this directly , but I am so concerned about days like today , hence my posting today. And that’s just returned serviceman.
There’s so many vulnerable people , out there who can’t just “go sit on their balcony”
The cure can’t be worse than the cause.

Please don't leave the forum. Keep posting mate but may I suggest try not take things personally.
Stay with us.... Even chatting here helps... As they say we all In this together

Mate thank you for your concern, but this wasn’t me reaching out for help . It was me being an advocate for those who won’t ask for it .
And just being generally disgusted with the way some of our society have drilled down on anyone not complying with what they perceive is the right thing to do, based on their own bubble. Which , frustrates me , as , any opinion I have today , can and should be open to change at a moments notice , when presented with facts. I don’t look for confirmation bias . Or echo chambers. Which reading this thread really felt like that to me .
It reminds me of V for Vendetta , or any other story about Dystopias. As this forum is a reflection of the rest of society. And you all should be very concerned about how easily , some , including some of you, have embraced this to an almost manic enforcement . Sure most because they want to protect the ones they love , but for some , it’s about having power over influencing other people . Nothing at all to do with covid.
The sooner we return to something resembling regular life , the better , as the longer it goes , the more brazen and justified these people will feel .
I’ts not conspiracies and nonsense either . It’s human nature . That’s why there’s so many books about it . And it’s happened before . The Spanish Inquisition, straight off the top of my head.

Someone here gets it, I said this from the beginning and I haven't seen anything to change my mind.

The prevention will be more harmful than the virus itself.

There will be a point where that will be the case.

The lockdowns were a reasonable initial response as the health system would be overloaded with virus patients. You know who else suffers when the health system is overloaded? People being admitted for strokes, pulmonary embolisms, heart attacks, ruptured aneurysms, organ failure, haemorrhages and anything else that requires immediate attention and resources that would not be available due to COVID patients stacking up. It's a two fold effect.

I dispute the long term implementation of lockdown measures, but as an initial response they undoubtedly have limited the effect on the health system and limited the amount of deaths. You're one of the people who were invariably going to show up when the numbers dropped and harp on about how the measures were heavy handed and they were never required whilst turning a blind eye to the catalyst to the drop in numbers. Look at the US, Spain and Italy as to what happens when you sit on your hands.

By the way, do you have Facebook?

Never been on any social media, never will.

Not even the Gram? :frowning:

I really don't think people care about what I'm doing with my life, I'm not from the generation who feels they have to share everything with the world, so I've never understood social media, it's just not my thing.
The people who need to know know.
I prefer real relationships than cyber ones, maybe I'm weird

good for a perv but

Look what you're giving up, for a perv.
Where I live, I have no shortage of perv

i suppose i'm not as fortunate as you mate:dizzy_face:
 
Slightly off topic but does anyone else have concerns that the government uses overseas companies for the storage of this data but also for a lot of the other information they collect about us?
 
@trentrunciman said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145580) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145575) said:
@trentrunciman said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145559) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145557) said:
@trentrunciman said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145512) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145510) said:
@Cultured_Bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145506) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145466) said:
@Strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145363) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145336) said:
@Strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145185) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145180) said:
@Strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145167) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145154) said:
Someone mentioned Vitamin B ...where has anyone in all of this been told we can't exercise .....or even sunbathe in your back yard

People don’t have backyards mate . And many are listening to the media , agenda driven panic merchants , who just want to drive hysteria for the clicks .
So many people , especially woman , who IMO have an already in built , genetic flight response , just are hiding inside .
To dismiss this , is naive at best. Many people are too scared to go outside at all , which like you said is over reacting , but it’s still happening.
Until the general consensus is lift the restrictions , these types , which due to some mental health issues in my family recently , Im starting to be more aware of , are really at risk.
And as the majority of our nation live in cities , and the general isolation , people tend to feel in the biggest cities , this is a huge issue.
Domestic violence , alchohol use , online gambling , are through the roof. This isn’t good , as a potential on going social issue post COVID.

I agree, there are many bad things as a result of restrictions, but the alternatives are worse and today being ANZAC day, it reminds us of who is most likely to be affected by this. Both by solitude for recent service personnel and if we don't continue social distancing on a suitable scale as things improve, those that served in Vietnam, Korea etcetera and the children that grew up in the second world war, along with the few remaining survivors of that conflict, it often means direct death.

I am surrounded with the mental health issues you alluded to at home and helping out my very affected sister daily, so I completely understand your concerns, but I am not willing to sacrifice my parents, along with their generation and similar others for the sake of more freedoms.

Mate , I’m 1 of those people . 3 people I served with topped themselves in the last 3 months.
And there’s are at least another 2 , we are really concerned about , as they won’t answer calls and no one knows exactly where they live , since this kicked off.
There were over 3000 deaths in 2019 from suicide , just knowing from the conversations I’ve had , we all just want support and feel like there’s none out there. VVCS is a joke , and the waiting list now is like 6 months just to get a call back.
I didn’t want to talk about this directly , but I am so concerned about days like today , hence my posting today. And that’s just returned serviceman.
There’s so many vulnerable people , out there who can’t just “go sit on their balcony”
The cure can’t be worse than the cause.

Please don't leave the forum. Keep posting mate but may I suggest try not take things personally.
Stay with us.... Even chatting here helps... As they say we all In this together

Mate thank you for your concern, but this wasn’t me reaching out for help . It was me being an advocate for those who won’t ask for it .
And just being generally disgusted with the way some of our society have drilled down on anyone not complying with what they perceive is the right thing to do, based on their own bubble. Which , frustrates me , as , any opinion I have today , can and should be open to change at a moments notice , when presented with facts. I don’t look for confirmation bias . Or echo chambers. Which reading this thread really felt like that to me .
It reminds me of V for Vendetta , or any other story about Dystopias. As this forum is a reflection of the rest of society. And you all should be very concerned about how easily , some , including some of you, have embraced this to an almost manic enforcement . Sure most because they want to protect the ones they love , but for some , it’s about having power over influencing other people . Nothing at all to do with covid.
The sooner we return to something resembling regular life , the better , as the longer it goes , the more brazen and justified these people will feel .
I’ts not conspiracies and nonsense either . It’s human nature . That’s why there’s so many books about it . And it’s happened before . The Spanish Inquisition, straight off the top of my head.

Someone here gets it, I said this from the beginning and I haven't seen anything to change my mind.

The prevention will be more harmful than the virus itself.

There will be a point where that will be the case.

The lockdowns were a reasonable initial response as the health system would be overloaded with virus patients. You know who else suffers when the health system is overloaded? People being admitted for strokes, pulmonary embolisms, heart attacks, ruptured aneurysms, organ failure, haemorrhages and anything else that requires immediate attention and resources that would not be available due to COVID patients stacking up. It's a two fold effect.

I dispute the long term implementation of lockdown measures, but as an initial response they undoubtedly have limited the effect on the health system and limited the amount of deaths. You're one of the people who were invariably going to show up when the numbers dropped and harp on about how the measures were heavy handed and they were never required whilst turning a blind eye to the catalyst to the drop in numbers. Look at the US, Spain and Italy as to what happens when you sit on your hands.

By the way, do you have Facebook?

Never been on any social media, never will.

Not even the Gram? :frowning:

I really don't think people care about what I'm doing with my life, I'm not from the generation who feels they have to share everything with the world, so I've never understood social media, it's just not my thing.
The people who need to know know.
I prefer real relationships than cyber ones, maybe I'm weird

good for a perv but

Look what you're giving up, for a perv.
Where I live, I have no shortage of perv

i suppose i'm not as fortunate as you mate:dizzy_face:

Looking at your choice of emoji, maybe you are looking for more than a perv? lol at least your eyes are closed.
 
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145576) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145568) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145525) said:
I'm not into the apps ...but couldn't you just delete it as soon as the threat of COVID had passed ....

That's why I think the app is a waste of time, until this threat has passed who in their right mind is going to spend 15mins within 1.5m of a stranger?

If you will, then the app isn't going to save you anyway.
If you won't, then you don't need the app.

As I said, when I return to work there are situations where I may need to.

So are you comfortable with potentially spreading the virus again for your personal financial gain?
You should stay home until this virus is eradicated.

Is my sarcasm coming through enough?
 
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145584) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145576) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145568) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145525) said:
I'm not into the apps ...but couldn't you just delete it as soon as the threat of COVID had passed ....

That's why I think the app is a waste of time, until this threat has passed who in their right mind is going to spend 15mins within 1.5m of a stranger?

If you will, then the app isn't going to save you anyway.
If you won't, then you don't need the app.

As I said, when I return to work there are situations where I may need to.

So are you comfortable with potentially spreading the virus again for your personal financial gain?
You should stay home until this virus is eradicated.

Is my sarcasm coming through enough?

When my overlords tell me it is safe to do so.
 
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145581) said:
Slightly off topic but does anyone else have concerns that the government uses overseas companies for the storage of this data but also for a lot of the other information they collect about us?

This is why I asked if you are into crypto, this is something crypto is addressing and changing.
 
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145585) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145584) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145576) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145568) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1145525) said:
I'm not into the apps ...but couldn't you just delete it as soon as the threat of COVID had passed ....

That's why I think the app is a waste of time, until this threat has passed who in their right mind is going to spend 15mins within 1.5m of a stranger?

If you will, then the app isn't going to save you anyway.
If you won't, then you don't need the app.

As I said, when I return to work there are situations where I may need to.

So are you comfortable with potentially spreading the virus again for your personal financial gain?
You should stay home until this virus is eradicated.

Is my sarcasm coming through enough?

When my overlords tell me it is safe to do so.

Ada boy
 
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