Coronavirus Outbreak

[Guest]

Mental Health experts are predicting the impact of covid-19 to result in an extra 1500 deaths per year over the next five years.

Suicide rates are predicted to rise by up to 50% which would outnumber deaths by the pandemic by 4 times.

GP consultations down by up to 50% pathology test a down by 40% up to 60000 people aren't getting tests done.
Which could result in even more deaths and serious health problems.

This was my argument all along.

The prevention would end up doing more damage than the virus itself and i have no doubt it will.

And if 20000 people died because we did nothing than you would still be wrong?

Who mentioned doing nothing?

lol, Our restrictions have likely saved 10's of thousands of live mate.

How did you figure that out?

The data points to that

Bollocks

The only thing that is bollocks is your answer, or thereof. The data does point to it and if you think otherwise you're an idiot.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

During the Inquiry yesterday, the SC for Carnival cruises was not happy when the first text exchange between the admin officer on Ruby Princess and the port agent for Carnival was produced. This was in the context of why when NSW Ambulances were called to the ship, they were directed to go to RPA rather than St Vincents Hospital. The company insisted ambulances were called because these patients had pre-existing conditions requiring hospitalisation (not for suspected COVID19)..

The issue is Carnival always use St Vincents and RPA is the designated COVID19 hospital.

 

[Tiger5150]

Apparently the coronavirus is the "worst ever" attack on the USA,i am sure the Japanese are relieved that they are no longer the number 1 villain in USA history

More deaths than the Vietnam war

And about 1/10th of the deaths of the 1918 Spanish Flu, 1/2 the deaths WW1, 1/6th the deaths WW2. Your point?

 

[innsaneink]

Is it possible to check anywhere if companies qualified for Jobkeeper or not for certain months /periods of time ?

 

[cochise]

Is it possible to check anywhere if companies qualified for Jobkeeper or not for certain months /periods of time ?

What's happened mate?

 

[cochise]

Mental Health experts are predicting the impact of covid-19 to result in an extra 1500 deaths per year over the next five years.

Suicide rates are predicted to rise by up to 50% which would outnumber deaths by the pandemic by 4 times.

GP consultations down by up to 50% pathology test a down by 40% up to 60000 people aren't getting tests done.
Which could result in even more deaths and serious health problems.

This was my argument all along.

The prevention would end up doing more damage than the virus itself and i have no doubt it will.

Mate I have just seen the modelling that you used for this post and your post is extremely misleading. They did not predict 1500 deaths a year for the next 5 years due to covid 19.

What they did say if unemployment reaches 11% up to 750 extra deaths per year could be the result and if we hit 16% we could have an 1500 extra deaths. The predicted unemployment for this quarter is 10%. Your post was misleading and dishonest.

 

[Tiger5150]

Is it possible to check anywhere if companies qualified for Jobkeeper or not for certain months /periods of time ?

My sons employer registered HALF of their qualified staff for jobkeeper, you can guess which half my son is on.

There are some scumbags out there.

 

[cochise]

Is it possible to check anywhere if companies qualified for Jobkeeper or not for certain months /periods of time ?


My sons employer registered HALF of their qualified staff for jobkeeper, you can guess which half my son is on.

There are some scumbags out there.

Apart from cashflow to cover wages while waiting for jobkeeper, I can't see any reason employers wouldn't signup all eligible staff. It is just mindboggling to me that you would treat people like that.

 

[innsaneink]

Missus company claim they didn't qualify for Jobkeeper for April.... She got paid Jobkeeper this pay fortnight (22/4 - 6/5 but previous fortnight was only paid the Easter public holidays. She last worked 7th April, two pay fortnight's ago.....
Their work had reduced significantly even three weeks before they stood her down.. I find it hard to believe they weren't 30% down on revenue

 

[cochise]

Missus company claim they didn't qualify for Jobkeeper for April.... She got paid Jobkeeper this pay fortnight (22/4 - 6/5 but previous fortnight was only paid the Easter public holidays. She last worked 7th April, two pay fortnight's ago.....
Their work had reduced significantly even three weeks before they stood her down.. I find it hard to believe they weren't 30% down on revenue

I didn't even know that was possible.

 

[mike]

Copied.....
You wake up with a terrible cough, a fever, and severe body aches. Immediately, you rush to the doctor. Unfortunately, you’re diagnosed with #COVID-19. For the last two weeks, you’ve been unaware that you were infected. For the last two weeks, you’ve ignored "the rules," gotten together with some close friends for pizza, had a few people over, even visited some parks and beaches. You figured, “I don’t feel sick," and "I have the right to keep living my normal life!" No "House Arrest" for me!

With your diagnosis, you spend the next few days at home on the couch, feeling pretty crappy; but then you’re well again because you’re young, healthy and strong. Lucky you.

But your best friend caught it from you during a visit to your house, and because she didn't know she was contagious, she visited her 82-year-old grandfather, who uses oxygen tanks daily to help him breathe because he has COPD and heart failure. Now, he’s passed away.

Your co-worker, who has asthma, caught it too, during your little pizza get-together. Now, he’s in the ICU, and he's spread it to a few others in his family too--but they won't know that for another couple of weeks yet.

The cashier at the restaurant where you picked up the pizza carried the infection home to his wife, who has MS, which makes her immuno-suppressed. She’s not as lucky as you, so she’s admitted to the hospital because she’s having trouble breathing. She may need to be placed in a medically-induced coma and intubated; she may not get to say goodbye to her loved ones. She may die surrounded by machines, with no family at her bedside.

All because you couldn't stand the inconvenience of a mask; of staying home; of changing your familiar routines for just a little while.

#SocialDistancing = It’s not all about YOU! Be aware of this reality.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Copied.....
You wake up with a terrible cough, a fever, and severe body aches. Immediately, you rush to the doctor. Unfortunately, you’re diagnosed with #COVID-19. For the last two weeks, you’ve been unaware that you were infected. For the last two weeks, you’ve ignored "the rules," gotten together with some close friends for pizza, had a few people over, even visited some parks and beaches. You figured, “I don’t feel sick," and "I have the right to keep living my normal life!" No "House Arrest" for me!

With your diagnosis, you spend the next few days at home on the couch, feeling pretty crappy; but then you’re well again because you’re young, healthy and strong. Lucky you.

But your best friend caught it from you during a visit to your house, and because she didn't know she was contagious, she visited her 82-year-old grandfather, who uses oxygen tanks daily to help him breathe because he has COPD and heart failure. Now, he’s passed away.

Your co-worker, who has asthma, caught it too, during your little pizza get-together. Now, he’s in the ICU, and he's spread it to a few others in his family too--but they won't know that for another couple of weeks yet.

The cashier at the restaurant where you picked up the pizza carried the infection home to his wife, who has MS, which makes her immuno-suppressed. She’s not as lucky as you, so she’s admitted to the hospital because she’s having trouble breathing. She may need to be placed in a medically-induced coma and intubated; she may not get to say goodbye to her loved ones. She may die surrounded by machines, with no family at her bedside.

All because you couldn't stand the inconvenience of a mask; of staying home; of changing your familiar routines for just a little while.

#SocialDistancing = It’s not all about YOU! Be aware of this reality.

We've seen outbreaks at aged care facilities and meat processing plants where casual/contingent labour is utilised. Casual workers may not enjoy the same conditions of employment eg sick leave as permanent staff and may be less willing to take leave or have union representation in fear of losing employment. This is perhaps why they are employed.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Copied.....
You wake up with a terrible cough, a fever, and severe body aches. Immediately, you rush to the doctor. Unfortunately, you’re diagnosed with #COVID-19. For the last two weeks, you’ve been unaware that you were infected. For the last two weeks, you’ve ignored "the rules," gotten together with some close friends for pizza, had a few people over, even visited some parks and beaches. You figured, “I don’t feel sick," and "I have the right to keep living my normal life!" No "House Arrest" for me!

With your diagnosis, you spend the next few days at home on the couch, feeling pretty crappy; but then you’re well again because you’re young, healthy and strong. Lucky you.

But your best friend caught it from you during a visit to your house, and because she didn't know she was contagious, she visited her 82-year-old grandfather, who uses oxygen tanks daily to help him breathe because he has COPD and heart failure. Now, he’s passed away.

Your co-worker, who has asthma, caught it too, during your little pizza get-together. Now, he’s in the ICU, and he's spread it to a few others in his family too--but they won't know that for another couple of weeks yet.

The cashier at the restaurant where you picked up the pizza carried the infection home to his wife, who has MS, which makes her immuno-suppressed. She’s not as lucky as you, so she’s admitted to the hospital because she’s having trouble breathing. She may need to be placed in a medically-induced coma and intubated; she may not get to say goodbye to her loved ones. She may die surrounded by machines, with no family at her bedside.

All because you couldn't stand the inconvenience of a mask; of staying home; of changing your familiar routines for just a little while.

#SocialDistancing = It’s not all about YOU! Be aware of this reality.

We've seen outbreaks at aged care facilities and meat processing plants where casual/contingent labour is utilised. Casual workers may not enjoy the same conditions of employment eg sick leave as permanent staff and may be less willing to take leave or have union representation in fear of losing employment. This is perhaps why they are employed.

Will societal lessons be learned from this and changes implemented, with political and economic ideologies only occupying a proportionate position, rather than continuing to dominate the forefront of decision making?

At least we have sick leave for our permanent employees in this country, but the increasing casualisation of a large part of the workforce leaves many vulnerable and unable to rest, which also affects others. The potential of cross contamination of facilities should never have been allowed, let alone when a pandemic arrives.

 

[mike]

Copied.....
You wake up with a terrible cough, a fever, and severe body aches. Immediately, you rush to the doctor. Unfortunately, you’re diagnosed with #COVID-19. For the last two weeks, you’ve been unaware that you were infected. For the last two weeks, you’ve ignored "the rules," gotten together with some close friends for pizza, had a few people over, even visited some parks and beaches. You figured, “I don’t feel sick," and "I have the right to keep living my normal life!" No "House Arrest" for me!

With your diagnosis, you spend the next few days at home on the couch, feeling pretty crappy; but then you’re well again because you’re young, healthy and strong. Lucky you.

But your best friend caught it from you during a visit to your house, and because she didn't know she was contagious, she visited her 82-year-old grandfather, who uses oxygen tanks daily to help him breathe because he has COPD and heart failure. Now, he’s passed away.

Your co-worker, who has asthma, caught it too, during your little pizza get-together. Now, he’s in the ICU, and he's spread it to a few others in his family too--but they won't know that for another couple of weeks yet.

The cashier at the restaurant where you picked up the pizza carried the infection home to his wife, who has MS, which makes her immuno-suppressed. She’s not as lucky as you, so she’s admitted to the hospital because she’s having trouble breathing. She may need to be placed in a medically-induced coma and intubated; she may not get to say goodbye to her loved ones. She may die surrounded by machines, with no family at her bedside.

All because you couldn't stand the inconvenience of a mask; of staying home; of changing your familiar routines for just a little while.

#SocialDistancing = It’s not all about YOU! Be aware of this reality.

We've seen outbreaks at aged care facilities and meat processing plants where casual/contingent labour is utilised. Casual workers may not enjoy the same conditions of employment eg sick leave as permanent staff and may be less willing to take leave or have union representation in fear of losing employment. This is perhaps why they are employed.

This is true. If the rest of us can follow Social Distancing and eliminate it from the community then these casual/contingent labour won’t get it and therefore won’t pass it on.

Also I believe it is up to the work places not to allow sick people to work but to send them home. Perhaps to work remotely if they can.

We have a casual approach to sickness in that we have allowed sick people to spread their illness to others without thought. Since I have been out of the office environment I have not been sick for one day where before I was continuously catching something brought in by others and then expected to front up to the office so I could also pass it on others. This practice has to stop as well.

 

[tigger]

Is it possible to check anywhere if companies qualified for Jobkeeper or not for certain months /periods of time ?


My sons employer registered HALF of their qualified staff for jobkeeper, you can guess which half my son is on.

There are some scumbags out there.

Apart from cashflow to cover wages while waiting for jobkeeper, I can't see any reason employers wouldn't signup all eligible staff. It is just mindboggling to me that you would treat people like that.

My daughter has kept on all her staff even though she has had to close her business premises. They have been able to continue at a reduced level on-line rather than face to face.
In anticipation of receiving jobkeeper she has continued to pay her staff, some of which are part time and wouldn't normally earn $1,500 a fortnight. So some staff members have had a bit of a windfall.
Although her business has dropped, she still has a flow of income from work performed earlier in the year and for which payment had not been received. The wash-up is that her actual income, expressed as dollars in the door this month, is down about 25% so she won't qualify for jobseeker. She has already paid all her staff so the reduction in income, which will come further down the line, will need to be absorbed by her personally.
She will continue to pay her staff, although at their normal rate, not $1,500 per fortnight, but the process has not been an easy one for small businesses. There has been great uncertainty about the qualification criteria.
I believe that some businesses have NOT applied for jobkeeper because of the uncertainty about how far their income will reduce.
Having said all that, I acknowledge that it isn't easy to design a payment system like this at short notice. On balance I think the government has done a pretty good job and, lets face it, the public purse is not bottomless.
But I can see reasons why a business would not apply or would hedge its bets by only nominating staff that they see as essential to the business in the long term.

 

[cochise]

Is it possible to check anywhere if companies qualified for Jobkeeper or not for certain months /periods of time ?


My sons employer registered HALF of their qualified staff for jobkeeper, you can guess which half my son is on.

There are some scumbags out there.

Apart from cashflow to cover wages while waiting for jobkeeper, I can't see any reason employers wouldn't signup all eligible staff. It is just mindboggling to me that you would treat people like that.

My daughter has kept on all her staff even though she has had to close her business premises. They have been able to continue at a reduced level on-line rather than face to face.
In anticipation of receiving jobkeeper she has continued to pay her staff, some of which are part time and wouldn't normally earn $1,500 a fortnight. So some staff members have had a bit of a windfall.
Although her business has dropped, she still has a flow of income from work performed earlier in the year and for which payment had not been received. The wash-up is that her actual income, expressed as dollars in the door this month, is down about 25% so she won't qualify for jobseeker. She has already paid all her staff so the reduction in income, which will come further down the line, will need to be absorbed by her personally.
She will continue to pay her staff, although at their normal rate, not $1,500 per fortnight, but the process has not been an easy one for small businesses. There has been great uncertainty about the qualification criteria.
I believe that some businesses have NOT applied for jobkeeper because of the uncertainty about how far their income will reduce.
Having said all that, I acknowledge that it isn't easy to design a payment system like this at short notice. On balance I think the government has done a pretty good job and, lets face it, the public purse is not bottomless.
But I can see reasons why a business would not apply or would hedge its bets by only nominating staff that they see as essential to the business in the long term.

Very good post mate, the business I am involved in lost 95% of its business as soon as the pubs, cafes, etc closed so this is one side of it that I hadn't thought about. That is a tough spot for your daughter to be in but does show we do have some wonderful employers out there that genuinely care for their staff. Thanks for your post mate.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Newmarch Nursing Home looks like it will loose its licence.

As it should. It should have lost it's licence before the CV outbreak. All the Coronavirus outbreak did was show the everyone outside of the families of residents and staff how poorly run the place is.

 

[cochise]

Newmarch Nursing Home looks like it will loose its licence.

As it should. It should have lost it's licence before the CV outbreak.

They didn't lose it as they appointed an independent advisor which was part of the Aged Care Quality and Safety Commission terms.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Mental Health experts are predicting the impact of covid-19 to result in an extra 1500 deaths per year over the next five years.

Suicide rates are predicted to rise by up to 50% which would outnumber deaths by the pandemic by 4 times.

GP consultations down by up to 50% pathology test a down by 40% up to 60000 people aren't getting tests done.
Which could result in even more deaths and serious health problems.

This was my argument all along.

The prevention would end up doing more damage than the virus itself and i have no doubt it will.

And if 20000 people died because we did nothing than you would still be wrong?

Who mentioned doing nothing?

lol, Our restrictions have likely saved 10's of thousands of live mate.

How did you figure that out?

The data points to that

Bollocks

So Italy, UK, Spain, USA... All abberrations?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Newmarch Nursing Home looks like it will loose its licence.

As it should. It should have lost it's licence before the CV outbreak.

They didn't lose it as they appointed an independent advisor which was part of the Aged Care Quality and Safety Commission terms.

Yeah I'm a bit behind on this thread.

The place is a mess though, they should lose their licence.