Coronavirus Outbreak

[cochise]

Victorian restrictions just announced, extremely tough.

There will be a night time curfew will be implemented across Melbourne from 8:00pm to 5:00am from tonight.

Melbourne residents will only be allowed to shop and exercise within 5km of their home.

All students across the state will return to home-based learning. Childcare will be closed.

Takeaway is allowed to be continued.

Regional Victoria will move to stage 3 restrictions from Thursday.

Good, though tough on whole because of the selfish few. They need to consider public shaming of the worst and/or serial lockdown offenders and passing stiffer penalties.

I don't like public shaming.

Not a fan of it either, though if you are a serial offender at endangering life in a pandemic, you have lost the right to privacy.

Conversely, if one of those that have been left out of what should have been universal federal living payments, then their case rather than their name should be made public. I understand that there are supposed long overdue changes to this area that were called for back in March.

While I total condemn the behaviour of the 2 girls in Queensland who brought Covid back to that state, I feel the public outing and attack on those girls to be wrong. I have no problem with severe penalties against them but it turned into much more than that. Those 2 girls are 19 and I don't like the way they are being attacked online and it actually creates are situation that puts them at risk of violence.

Yes i agree, I haven’t seen or heard the Victorian truck driver, who brought it into NSW when he visited the Crossroads Hotel cop as much flak. Young women are easy targets for vile internet trolls.

The difference is the truckie didn't hide anything, and cooperated with authorities about everywhere he'd been (correct me if I'm wrong).

I don't think it's targeting women either - Latrell and JAC were splashed all over the news, weren't they, for something that was dumb, but not on the same level.

I tend to oppose public shaming when it's for someone having 'incorrect' or unpopular opinions, beliefs etc, 'moral issues' and so on. But for actual crimes, I don't see why someone's identity should be hidden.

And if shaming acts as a deterrent to John Citizen recklessly infecting and killing an innocent 80 year old, well, it's served a purpose.

What if it acts as an ignition for someone to take matters into their own hands, what if the reports are wrong, I guess we are no longer innocent until proven guilty in this country?

 

[cochise]

Victorian restrictions just announced, extremely tough.

There will be a night time curfew will be implemented across Melbourne from 8:00pm to 5:00am from tonight.

Melbourne residents will only be allowed to shop and exercise within 5km of their home.

All students across the state will return to home-based learning. Childcare will be closed.

Takeaway is allowed to be continued.

Regional Victoria will move to stage 3 restrictions from Thursday.

Good, though tough on whole because of the selfish few. They need to consider public shaming of the worst and/or serial lockdown offenders and passing stiffer penalties.

I don't like public shaming.

Not a fan of it either, though if you are a serial offender at endangering life in a pandemic, you have lost the right to privacy.

Conversely, if one of those that have been left out of what should have been universal federal living payments, then their case rather than their name should be made public. I understand that there are supposed long overdue changes to this area that were called for back in March.

While I total condemn the behaviour of the 2 girls in Queensland who brought Covid back to that state, I feel the public outing and attack on those girls to be wrong. I have no problem with severe penalties against them but it turned into much more than that. Those 2 girls are 19 and I don't like the way they are being attacked online and it actually creates are situation that puts them at risk of violence.

Yes i agree, I haven’t seen or heard the Victorian truck driver, who brought it into NSW when he visited the Crossroads Hotel cop as much flak. Young women are easy targets for vile internet trolls.

The difference is the truckie didn't hide anything, and cooperated with authorities about everywhere he'd been (correct me if I'm wrong).

I don't think it's targeting women either - Latrell and JAC were splashed all over the news, weren't they, for something that was dumb, but not on the same level.

I tend to oppose public shaming when it's for someone having 'incorrect' or unpopular opinions, beliefs etc, 'moral issues' and so on. But for actual crimes, I don't see why someone's identity should be hidden.

And if shaming acts as a deterrent to John Citizen recklessly infecting and killing an innocent 80 year old, well, it's served a purpose.

But are we talking here about the media reporting on something and naming the individuals involved or are we talking about the punishment of public shaming.

the initial post on this aspect was that the punishment for those who flout coronavirus restrictions should be public shaming. That is, that the authorities should publicly name and shame them.

that's different to the media just reporting on high profile cases.

These girls have also been judged, condemned and punished by the public before they have had the right to defend themselves. That is not right.

 

[tiger_one]

#wearinthistogether

Mask yourself.
Simple.

 

[Papacito]

I'm holding judgement on the two girls from Queensland because as @cochise points out, everyone in society has the right to something other than the court of public opinion.

The bigger issue at play here is paid pandemic leave.

 

[Snake]

I'm holding judgement on the two girls from Queensland because as @cochise points out, everyone in society has the right to something other than the court of public opinion.

The bigger issue at play here is paid pandemic leave.

You have no problem with the GST going up to 15% to pay for all of this .. someone will have to pay !

 

[Tim Sheens]

I'm holding judgement on the two girls from Queensland because as @cochise points out, everyone in society has the right to something other than the court of public opinion.

The bigger issue at play here is paid pandemic leave.

Such payments relating to those virtually forced to break lockdown were in the other half of my initial post that also included public shaming, but only the shaming part from which they should be exempted gained traction for discussion.

 

[Papacito]

I'm holding judgement on the two girls from Queensland because as @cochise points out, everyone in society has the right to something other than the court of public opinion.

The bigger issue at play here is paid pandemic leave.

You have no problem with the GST going up to 15% to pay for all of this .. someone will have to pay !

Please share your workings on this one.....

 

[cochise]

I'm holding judgement on the two girls from Queensland because as @cochise points out, everyone in society has the right to something other than the court of public opinion.

The bigger issue at play here is paid pandemic leave.

Such payments relating to those virtually forced to break lockdown were in the other half of my initial post that also included public shaming, but only the shaming part from which they should be exempted gained traction for discussion.

Sorry probably my fault.

 

[Tiger5150]

I agree with @cochise with the public shaming of the two girls, it does seem over the top and mob mentality however I think it is part of a bigger issue.

I could be totally wrong about this, but its my gut feel on this one.

Premier Anastacia has IMO been disgraceful lately with her smug arrogant pontificating and pointing her finger at NSW when we have only had less than 100 cases (now over 200) and parading about the Qld being COVID free. All the while it was obvious that at some stage it would return there. IMO he arrogant stance has been 100% political and geared towards getting re-elected.

Now it suits her and this arrogant narrative to turn these girls into public pariahs (they are queenslanders) because then its not Anastasias fault, its the fault of the "bad girls".

Ive been wrong before but its the vibe.

 

[dazza65]

I agree with @cochise with the public shaming of the two girls, it does seem over the top and mob mentality however I think it is part of a bigger issue.

I could be totally wrong about this, but its my gut feel on this one.

Premier Anastacia has IMO been disgraceful lately with her smug arrogant pontificating and pointing her finger at NSW when we have only had less than 100 cases (now over 200) and parading about the Qld being COVID free. All the while it was obvious that at some stage it would return there. IMO he arrogant stance has been 100% political and geared towards getting re-elected.

Now it suits her and this arrogant narrative to turn these girls into public pariahs (they are queenslanders) because then its not Anastasias fault, its the fault of the "bad girls".

Ive been wrong before but its the vibe.

I agree - to me she is one "leader" who has politicised this issue more than any other.

 

[cochise]

I agree with @cochise with the public shaming of the two girls, it does seem over the top and mob mentality however I think it is part of a bigger issue.

I could be totally wrong about this, but its my gut feel on this one.

Premier Anastacia has IMO been disgraceful lately with her smug arrogant pontificating and pointing her finger at NSW when we have only had less than 100 cases (now over 200) and parading about the Qld being COVID free. All the while it was obvious that at some stage it would return there. IMO he arrogant stance has been 100% political and geared towards getting re-elected.

Now it suits her and this arrogant narrative to turn these girls into public pariahs (they are queenslanders) because then its not Anastasias fault, its the fault of the "bad girls".

Ive been wrong before but its the vibe.

Yes it very much appears to be like that.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I'm holding judgement on the two girls from Queensland because as @cochise points out, everyone in society has the right to something other than the court of public opinion.

The bigger issue at play here is paid pandemic leave.

You have no problem with the GST going up to 15% to pay for all of this .. someone will have to pay !

No, look at it realistically and it is plain as day a beneficial cost saving measure to begin with and simply remove the latest round of tax cuts for a start when looking at how to pay for things.

Edit; wasn't having a go above in any way @cochise, just pointing to the lack of payment likely being a very important factor of the spread and separation of offenders.

 

[cochise]

I'm holding judgement on the two girls from Queensland because as @cochise points out, everyone in society has the right to something other than the court of public opinion.

The bigger issue at play here is paid pandemic leave.

You have no problem with the GST going up to 15% to pay for all of this .. someone will have to pay !

No, look at it realistically and it is plain as day a beneficial cost saving measure to begin with and simply remove the latest round of tax cuts for a start when looking at how to pay for things.

Edit; wasn't having a go above in any way @cochise, just pointing to the lack of payment likely being a very important factor of the spread and separation of offenders.

Agree fully, I know that the Vic lockdown will hopefully be over before Jobkeeper is reduced, but those businesses are not be going to be moving again by the end of September. So along with pandemic leave being brought in, the jobkeeper and jobseeker payment reduction should be pushed back in Victoria.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I agree with @cochise with the public shaming of the two girls, it does seem over the top and mob mentality however I think it is part of a bigger issue.

I could be totally wrong about this, but its my gut feel on this one.

Premier Anastacia has IMO been disgraceful lately with her smug arrogant pontificating and pointing her finger at NSW when we have only had less than 100 cases (now over 200) and parading about the Qld being COVID free. All the while it was obvious that at some stage it would return there. IMO he arrogant stance has been 100% political and geared towards getting re-elected.

Now it suits her and this arrogant narrative to turn these girls into public pariahs (they are queenslanders) because then its not Anastasias fault, its the fault of the "bad girls".

Ive been wrong before but its the vibe.

Not 100%, but certainly geared towards it.

On the flip side, the coalition need to call off the Victoria attack dogs, as it has been long running since the open up campaign, then anti mask and is extremely counter-productive.

 

[Tiger5150]

I agree with @cochise with the public shaming of the two girls, it does seem over the top and mob mentality however I think it is part of a bigger issue.

I could be totally wrong about this, but its my gut feel on this one.

Premier Anastacia has IMO been disgraceful lately with her smug arrogant pontificating and pointing her finger at NSW when we have only had less than 100 cases (now over 200) and parading about the Qld being COVID free. All the while it was obvious that at some stage it would return there. IMO he arrogant stance has been 100% political and geared towards getting re-elected.

Now it suits her and this arrogant narrative to turn these girls into public pariahs (they are queenslanders) because then its not Anastasias fault, its the fault of the "bad girls".

Ive been wrong before but its the vibe.

Not 100%, but certainly geared towards it.

On the flip side, the coalition need to call off the Victoria attack dogs, as it has been long running since the open up campaign, then anti mask and is extremely counter-productive.

If/when things get back under control in Vic and taking all of the politicisation out of it (forget BLM Protests) there does need to be a thorough independent investigation into what the hell went wrong in Victoria, how it erupted again and what went wrong for it to explode like it did.

Not for political grandstanding or finger pointing but to get to the bottom of it to prevent it happening again in the other states.

 

[cochise]

I agree with @cochise with the public shaming of the two girls, it does seem over the top and mob mentality however I think it is part of a bigger issue.

I could be totally wrong about this, but its my gut feel on this one.

Premier Anastacia has IMO been disgraceful lately with her smug arrogant pontificating and pointing her finger at NSW when we have only had less than 100 cases (now over 200) and parading about the Qld being COVID free. All the while it was obvious that at some stage it would return there. IMO he arrogant stance has been 100% political and geared towards getting re-elected.

Now it suits her and this arrogant narrative to turn these girls into public pariahs (they are queenslanders) because then its not Anastasias fault, its the fault of the "bad girls".

Ive been wrong before but its the vibe.

Not 100%, but certainly geared towards it.

On the flip side, the coalition need to call off the Victoria attack dogs, as it has been long running since the open up campaign, then anti mask and is extremely counter-productive.


If/when things get back under control in Vic and taking all of the politicisation out of it (forget BLM Protests) there does need to be a thorough independent investigation into what the hell went wrong in Victoria, how it erupted again and what went wrong for it to explode like it did.

Not for political grandstanding or finger pointing but to get to the bottom of it to prevent it happening again in the other states.

We also still need to avoid a repeat in NSW.

 

[Tiger5150]

I agree with @cochise with the public shaming of the two girls, it does seem over the top and mob mentality however I think it is part of a bigger issue.

I could be totally wrong about this, but its my gut feel on this one.

Premier Anastacia has IMO been disgraceful lately with her smug arrogant pontificating and pointing her finger at NSW when we have only had less than 100 cases (now over 200) and parading about the Qld being COVID free. All the while it was obvious that at some stage it would return there. IMO he arrogant stance has been 100% political and geared towards getting re-elected.

Now it suits her and this arrogant narrative to turn these girls into public pariahs (they are queenslanders) because then its not Anastasias fault, its the fault of the "bad girls".

Ive been wrong before but its the vibe.

Not 100%, but certainly geared towards it.

On the flip side, the coalition need to call off the Victoria attack dogs, as it has been long running since the open up campaign, then anti mask and is extremely counter-productive.


If/when things get back under control in Vic and taking all of the politicisation out of it (forget BLM Protests) there does need to be a thorough independent investigation into what the hell went wrong in Victoria, how it erupted again and what went wrong for it to explode like it did.

Not for political grandstanding or finger pointing but to get to the bottom of it to prevent it happening again in the other states.

We also still need to avoid a repeat in NSW.

We have already avoided repeating what happened in Victoria. NSW have done a great job at tracking and tracing all cases with massive testing and as a result, about 3 weeks since the ground zero case at the Crossroads, there is still only approximately 15 new cases found a day and a total of 230 cases. Less than 5 from unknown source.

That is not to say that this may not still blow up, but within that same three weeks Victoria was exploding exponentially at a ***faster*** rate than the whole of Australia did back in Mar before the lockdowns. Something went badly wrong in Victoria and we need to know what it was.

 

[TillLindemann]

I agree with @cochise with the public shaming of the two girls, it does seem over the top and mob mentality however I think it is part of a bigger issue.

I could be totally wrong about this, but its my gut feel on this one.

Premier Anastacia has IMO been disgraceful lately with her smug arrogant pontificating and pointing her finger at NSW when we have only had less than 100 cases (now over 200) and parading about the Qld being COVID free. All the while it was obvious that at some stage it would return there. IMO he arrogant stance has been 100% political and geared towards getting re-elected.

Now it suits her and this arrogant narrative to turn these girls into public pariahs (they are queenslanders) because then its not Anastasias fault, its the fault of the "bad girls".

Ive been wrong before but its the vibe.

"because then its not Anastasias fault, its the fault of the “bad girls”." Well, it is absolutely the girls fault. You may not like her as a politician, but it's not her fault that a bunch of morons lied about having been in Victoria and then brought covid with them to Queensland. And then when they were caught out, continued to refuse to cooperate with police for some time.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I agree with @cochise with the public shaming of the two girls, it does seem over the top and mob mentality however I think it is part of a bigger issue.

I could be totally wrong about this, but its my gut feel on this one.

Premier Anastacia has IMO been disgraceful lately with her smug arrogant pontificating and pointing her finger at NSW when we have only had less than 100 cases (now over 200) and parading about the Qld being COVID free. All the while it was obvious that at some stage it would return there. IMO he arrogant stance has been 100% political and geared towards getting re-elected.

Now it suits her and this arrogant narrative to turn these girls into public pariahs (they are queenslanders) because then its not Anastasias fault, its the fault of the "bad girls".

Ive been wrong before but its the vibe.

Not 100%, but certainly geared towards it.

On the flip side, the coalition need to call off the Victoria attack dogs, as it has been long running since the open up campaign, then anti mask and is extremely counter-productive.


If/when things get back under control in Vic and taking all of the politicisation out of it (forget BLM Protests) there does need to be a thorough independent investigation into what the hell went wrong in Victoria, how it erupted again and what went wrong for it to explode like it did.

Not for political grandstanding or finger pointing but to get to the bottom of it to prevent it happening again in the other states.

Certainly. Just as in the aged sector, we/they just need to know where things went wrong, not for recrimination purposes regarding policy, rather to enable effective change to halt future developments. I suppose we are lucky in one way, as through advances the mortality rate is probably at about half it would have been had this struck in April.

 

[cochise]

I agree with @cochise with the public shaming of the two girls, it does seem over the top and mob mentality however I think it is part of a bigger issue.

I could be totally wrong about this, but its my gut feel on this one.

Premier Anastacia has IMO been disgraceful lately with her smug arrogant pontificating and pointing her finger at NSW when we have only had less than 100 cases (now over 200) and parading about the Qld being COVID free. All the while it was obvious that at some stage it would return there. IMO he arrogant stance has been 100% political and geared towards getting re-elected.

Now it suits her and this arrogant narrative to turn these girls into public pariahs (they are queenslanders) because then its not Anastasias fault, its the fault of the "bad girls".

Ive been wrong before but its the vibe.

Not 100%, but certainly geared towards it.

On the flip side, the coalition need to call off the Victoria attack dogs, as it has been long running since the open up campaign, then anti mask and is extremely counter-productive.


If/when things get back under control in Vic and taking all of the politicisation out of it (forget BLM Protests) there does need to be a thorough independent investigation into what the hell went wrong in Victoria, how it erupted again and what went wrong for it to explode like it did.

Not for political grandstanding or finger pointing but to get to the bottom of it to prevent it happening again in the other states.

We also still need to avoid a repeat in NSW.


We have already avoided repeating what happened in Victoria. NSW have done a great job at tracking and tracing all cases with massive testing and as a result, about 3 weeks since the ground zero case at the Crossroads, there is still only approximately 15 new cases found a day and a total of 230 cases. Less than 5 from unknown source.

That is not to say that this may not still blow up, but within that same three weeks Victoria was exploding exponentially at a ***faster*** rate than the whole of Australia did back in Mar before the lockdowns. Something went badly wrong in Victoria and we need to know what it was.

Yeah mate, we have done great, I really want to see it start dropping again. While ever we have the vast majority from know sources we are on top. Just with it staying in that 15 to early 20's range we are one or two people not doing the right thing causing this to go pear shaped.

Our contact tracers have been amazing!!!!!!