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[earl]

And dismissing opposing viewpoints as loony tunes is just poor form, and disrespectful to anyone that’s ever experienced mental health issues.

I think the opposite. Those theories are crazy. They've been proven to be incorrect.

I have friends with mental illnesses and several people with depression in my family.

I asked you some questions on this. It's interesting how you don't answer. Is that an excuse to partake in those crazy theories ? Why avoid the question ? What is the answer ? I don't have an answer but engaging in those viewpoints is not good for society.

 

[earl]

So when someone posts things which are deemed to be garbage or nonsense, they get deleted and ridiculed, and called crazy and loony tunes.

Those comments are crazy. They are loony tunes theories.

How do you handle people sprouting views in relation to mass genocide of people ? Do you allow it ? Where do you draw the line ?

Honestly I don't have an answer. I think free speech is important but at the same time there is a bunch of people in the world today who are completely delusional and sprout complete and utter nonsense.

Back on the subject of COVID. We've been ranked the 8th best performing nation when it comes to the pandemic.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/analysis-ranks-the-countries-that-handled-covid-19-best-20210127-p56x3g.html

Quick summary


Not 9th...
You sure?

That was quoted in the paper. I did hear on the news we were 9th but that table says differently.

 

[JD Tiger]

And dismissing opposing viewpoints as loony tunes is just poor form, and disrespectful to anyone that’s ever experienced mental health issues.

I think the opposite. Those theories are crazy. They've been proven to be incorrect.

I have friends with mental illnesses and several people with depression in my family.

I asked you some questions on this. It's interesting how you don't answer. Is that an excuse to partake in those crazy theories ? Why avoid the question ? What is the answer ? I don't have an answer but engaging in those viewpoints is not good for society.

How do I handle people's views i disagree with? They don't have to agree with me, what's the problem with people having different views. Your views here are obviously different to mine, it doesn't mean you or I is mentally ill.

Labelling people as mentally ill, for having different opinions, perpetuates the negative stigma that is associated with mental illness in our society. Shen the term is used like that it is as an insult, as a dismissal of the persons views, which harms others who genuinely have mental health issues.

I know its part of our common vernacular, but in a few generations it will hopefully be phased out like we have been trying to phase out slurs against women and those of different skin colour or race.

 

[mike]

So that's what people meant when they referred to the echo chamber.

For the record, when you disallow all opposing viewpoints to be expressed, the only conversation you are having is with yourself.

And dismissing opposing viewpoints as loony tunes is just poor form, and disrespectful to anyone that's ever experienced mental health issues.

That’s the false balance fallacy.

Many of these views expressed are not opposing views at all. They are plain and simple anti authoritarian. Equal time is disproportionate to actual evidence provided, when in most cases none is provided.

Furthermore many of the views are so far removed from reality that it poses real concerns for their well being, and it is an uncaring giving them a platform enabling their paranoia.

By all means be ready have a discussion with opposing views that at least have some grounding in reality.

 

[Nelson]

So that's what people meant when they referred to the echo chamber.

For the record, when you disallow all opposing viewpoints to be expressed, the only conversation you are having is with yourself.

And dismissing opposing viewpoints as loony tunes is just poor form, and disrespectful to anyone that's ever experienced mental health issues.

You think that's all it is with that guy - disallowing an opposing viewpoint to be expressed? He is trying to seed this forum with conspiracy theories: conspiracy theories which draw certain people in and take them to dark places. Some pretty terrible things have been done in recent years by people acting out on their conspiratorial beliefs. What he is doing has been recognised as a security threat by ASIO:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-12/asio-briefing-warns-far-right-is-exploiting-coronavirus/12344472

 

[mike]

So when someone posts things which are deemed to be garbage or nonsense, they get deleted and ridiculed, and called crazy and loony tunes.

Those comments are crazy. They are loony tunes theories.

How do you handle people sprouting views in relation to mass genocide of people ? Do you allow it ? Where do you draw the line ?

Honestly I don't have an answer. I think free speech is important but at the same time there is a bunch of people in the world today who are completely delusional and sprout complete and utter nonsense.

Back on the subject of COVID. We've been ranked the 8th best performing nation when it comes to the pandemic.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/analysis-ranks-the-countries-that-handled-covid-19-best-20210127-p56x3g.html

Quick summary


Not 9th...
You sure?

It’s a sign we are going to make the 8.

 

[Kul]

Well I just had a nice surprise.
The NHS track and trace app just pinged me
Telling me to self isolate as I’ve been around someone who has test positive.

It uses the Apple/Google standard so I can see that I’ve been around that phone for 7x15minute blocks.

Which is strange because I’ve not seen anyone for three weeks!

Perhaps a neighbour?

 

[TillLindemann]

So when someone posts things which are deemed to be garbage or nonsense, they get deleted and ridiculed, and called crazy and loony tunes.

Those comments are crazy. They are loony tunes theories.

How do you handle people sprouting views in relation to mass genocide of people ? Do you allow it ? Where do you draw the line ?

Honestly I don't have an answer. I think free speech is important but at the same time there is a bunch of people in the world today who are completely delusional and sprout complete and utter nonsense.

Back on the subject of COVID. We've been ranked the 8th best performing nation when it comes to the pandemic.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/analysis-ranks-the-countries-that-handled-covid-19-best-20210127-p56x3g.html

Quick summary


This seems a pretty good assessment. But I'm surprised by a few - I think it would be fair to see the UK and Belgium in the bottom 10 (despite having a starting point of much better funded health systems, they both have had higher death rates than a country like Ukraine which is in there).
And I think Australia deserves to be higher - we scrape ahead of Latvia which has a per capita death toll 20 times Australia's. We rank behind Thailand which had over 800 new cases overnight. Iceland is ahead of us yet has worse per capita infections and deaths. Ditto Cyprus.

 

[mike]

Well I just had a nice surprise.
The NHS track and trace app just pinged me
Telling me to self isolate as I’ve been around someone who has test positive.

It uses the Apple/Google standard so I can see that I’ve been around that phone for 7x15minute blocks.

Which is strange because I’ve not seen anyone for three weeks!

Perhaps a neighbour?

I hope it amounts to nothing. Take care.

 

[mike]

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Britain will introduce Australian-style hotel quarantine “without exemption” for residents returning from 30 countries with major coronavirus outbreaks.
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Not enough, it should be more countries and about a year too late.

 

[dazza65]

So when someone posts things which are deemed to be garbage or nonsense, they get deleted and ridiculed, and called crazy and loony tunes.

Those comments are crazy. They are loony tunes theories.

How do you handle people sprouting views in relation to mass genocide of people ? Do you allow it ? Where do you draw the line ?

Honestly I don't have an answer. I think free speech is important but at the same time there is a bunch of people in the world today who are completely delusional and sprout complete and utter nonsense.

Back on the subject of COVID. We've been ranked the 8th best performing nation when it comes to the pandemic.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/analysis-ranks-the-countries-that-handled-covid-19-best-20210127-p56x3g.html

Quick summary


This seems a pretty good assessment. But I'm surprised by a few - I think it would be fair to see the UK and Belgium in the bottom 10 (despite having a starting point of much better funded health systems, they both have had higher death rates than a country like Ukraine which is in there).
And I think Australia deserves to be higher - we scrape ahead of Latvia which has a per capita death toll 20 times Australia's. We rank behind Thailand which had over 800 new cases overnight. Iceland is ahead of us yet has worse per capita infections and deaths. Ditto Cyprus.

Yes, I agree, when you dig into the real statistics I cant quite understand the ranking process here. Rwanda?
I have a business associate in Cyprus and for a small nation they were hit hard and it seemed to be extremely difficult for them.

 

[dazza65]

——
Britain will introduce Australian-style hotel quarantine “without exemption” for residents returning from 30 countries with major coronavirus outbreaks.
——
Not enough, it should be more countries and about a year too late.

And the social media covidiots are losing their minds over it.......

 

[TillLindemann]

So when someone posts things which are deemed to be garbage or nonsense, they get deleted and ridiculed, and called crazy and loony tunes.

Those comments are crazy. They are loony tunes theories.

How do you handle people sprouting views in relation to mass genocide of people ? Do you allow it ? Where do you draw the line ?

Honestly I don't have an answer. I think free speech is important but at the same time there is a bunch of people in the world today who are completely delusional and sprout complete and utter nonsense.

Back on the subject of COVID. We've been ranked the 8th best performing nation when it comes to the pandemic.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/analysis-ranks-the-countries-that-handled-covid-19-best-20210127-p56x3g.html

Quick summary


This seems a pretty good assessment. But I'm surprised by a few - I think it would be fair to see the UK and Belgium in the bottom 10 (despite having a starting point of much better funded health systems, they both have had higher death rates than a country like Ukraine which is in there).
And I think Australia deserves to be higher - we scrape ahead of Latvia which has a per capita death toll 20 times Australia's. We rank behind Thailand which had over 800 new cases overnight. Iceland is ahead of us yet has worse per capita infections and deaths. Ditto Cyprus.


Yes, I agree, when you dig into the real statistics I cant quite understand the ranking process here. Rwanda?
I have a business associate in Cyprus and for a small nation they were hit hard and it seemed to be extremely difficult for them.

No doubt they explain their methodology, they might for instance take into account how countries have performed compared to neighbouring countries - so Australia wouldn't pick up extra 'points' when compared to NZ, but Cyprus might when compared to other Mediterranean region countries and same for Iceland v other northern European countries.

 

[dazza65]

So when someone posts things which are deemed to be garbage or nonsense, they get deleted and ridiculed, and called crazy and loony tunes.

Those comments are crazy. They are loony tunes theories.

How do you handle people sprouting views in relation to mass genocide of people ? Do you allow it ? Where do you draw the line ?

Honestly I don't have an answer. I think free speech is important but at the same time there is a bunch of people in the world today who are completely delusional and sprout complete and utter nonsense.

Back on the subject of COVID. We've been ranked the 8th best performing nation when it comes to the pandemic.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/analysis-ranks-the-countries-that-handled-covid-19-best-20210127-p56x3g.html

Quick summary


This seems a pretty good assessment. But I'm surprised by a few - I think it would be fair to see the UK and Belgium in the bottom 10 (despite having a starting point of much better funded health systems, they both have had higher death rates than a country like Ukraine which is in there).
And I think Australia deserves to be higher - we scrape ahead of Latvia which has a per capita death toll 20 times Australia's. We rank behind Thailand which had over 800 new cases overnight. Iceland is ahead of us yet has worse per capita infections and deaths. Ditto Cyprus.


Yes, I agree, when you dig into the real statistics I cant quite understand the ranking process here. Rwanda?
I have a business associate in Cyprus and for a small nation they were hit hard and it seemed to be extremely difficult for them.

No doubt they explain their methodology, they might for instance take into account how countries have performed compared to neighbouring countries - so Australia wouldn't pick up extra 'points' when compared to NZ, but Cyprus might when compared to other Mediterranean region countries and same for Iceland v other northern European countries.

Well you would think so but they don't compare regions other than in general terms (Europe as a whole vs Asia/Pac vs Americas vs MEA) and I have read the methodology and to me, it is somewhat biased towards countries of lower populations and obviously also heavily reliant on accurate data so I would think that would place doubt on several of the countries ranked "higher" than Aus - the 6 data measures below
"To gauge the relative performance of countries at different points in the pandemic, this Interactive tracked six measures of COVID-19 in the 98 countries for which data was available. The period examined spans the 36 weeks that followed every country’s hundredth confirmed case of COVID-19, using data available to 9 January 2021.
- Confirmed cases
- Confirmed deaths
- Confirmed cases per million people
- Confirmed deaths per million people
- Confirmed cases as a proportion of tests"

Anyway, its an interesting read as they go into geo-political and other areas to draw their conclusions. Anyway you cut it and despite your political bent, we have done a pretty good job here.

https://interactives.lowyinstitute.org/features/covid-performance/#region

 

[JD Tiger]

So that's what people meant when they referred to the echo chamber.

For the record, when you disallow all opposing viewpoints to be expressed, the only conversation you are having is with yourself.

And dismissing opposing viewpoints as loony tunes is just poor form, and disrespectful to anyone that's ever experienced mental health issues.

You think that's all it is with that guy - disallowing an opposing viewpoint to be expressed? He is trying to seed this forum with conspiracy theories: conspiracy theories which draw certain people in and take them to dark places. Some pretty terrible things have been done in recent years by people acting out on their conspiratorial beliefs. What he is doing has been recognised as a security threat by ASIO:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-12/asio-briefing-warns-far-right-is-exploiting-coronavirus/12344472

Nelson, you and Mike have raised an interesting point. I dont have a problem with conspiracy theories as such, but yes, I see the danger in people advocating for some things which will hurt others.

Taking the lockdown example, I do think IRL the lockdown strategy saved many lives. Though there was a cost to our economy, and many peoples mental health, it had to be done. I do think that people need to still be able to question, for it is that questioning which leads to improvements.

I dont think its reasonable to cast allegations on someone's mental state, not even a mental health professional would make that assumption based on some written words.

I see what you mean by the consequences of some of these theories that can lead people to dark places, yes that is something we need to watch out for and I understand if that's the mindset they're trying to guard against here. I didn't hear that though, I heard people questioning about the opportunity cost of the lockdowns, and that's fair enough. I do skip over the stuff I quickly think is rhetoric though, so perhaps I missed that stuff.

 

[Tim Sheens]

So that's what people meant when they referred to the echo chamber.

For the record, when you disallow all opposing viewpoints to be expressed, the only conversation you are having is with yourself.

And dismissing opposing viewpoints as loony tunes is just poor form, and disrespectful to anyone that's ever experienced mental health issues.

This is a hard one as I believe most have the ability to view, discern content and move on. Trouble is that there are many that don't or worse still, are already suffering from mental health issues and get dragged in even more readily.

Escape once walking in the door of such chambers is nigh on impossible for someone and I feel that the results of similar were played out for all to see in the January 6th attack on the US Capitol building. Some of curly's comments also alluded to such ridiculousness of Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon rising from the proverbial dead to resume his role, so it is not just a Covid thing for him.

I feel that the mods here have a duty of care to not willfully expose others to such rhetoric, just as the large platforms have finally realised. Everybody possesses different attributes and levels of same, some not a great deal of common sense, so it is dangerous to allow things such as suggesting that suppression techniques do not help prevent death during a pandemic.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Well I just had a nice surprise.
The NHS track and trace app just pinged me
Telling me to self isolate as I’ve been around someone who has test positive.

It uses the Apple/Google standard so I can see that I’ve been around that phone for 7x15minute blocks.

Which is strange because I’ve not seen anyone for three weeks!

Perhaps a neighbour?

Lucky if our App here worked out you were in the same city.

Maybe you could have written some code for them.

 

[TheDaBoss]

——
Britain will introduce Australian-style hotel quarantine “without exemption” for residents returning from 30 countries with major coronavirus outbreaks.
——
Not enough, it should be more countries and about a year too late.


And the social media covidiots are losing their minds over it.......

Just wait until America gets into it lol

"LAND OF THE FREE" covidiots

 

[Tiger5150]

So that's what people meant when they referred to the echo chamber.

For the record, when you disallow all opposing viewpoints to be expressed, the only conversation you are having is with yourself.

And dismissing opposing viewpoints as loony tunes is just poor form, and disrespectful to anyone that's ever experienced mental health issues.

That’s the false balance fallacy.

Many of these views expressed are not opposing views at all. They are plain and simple anti authoritarian.

When did anti authoritarian become a bad thing or cancellable? I must have missed that missive from the Ministry of Truth.

>Equal time is disproportionate to actual evidence provided, when in most cases none is provided.

Free speech doesnt mean equal time and who is the authority who determines how much evidence is required for equal time? The amount of time or speech should not be determined by any authority (who is the authority?) and ultimately it is the listener that determines the proportion of care to be given to a point of view. If somebody expresses an opinion or point of view that seems crazy and has no basis in fact, it shouldnt be censored, it should be ignored and only the listener can do that.


Furthermore many of the views are so far removed from reality that it poses real concerns for their well being, and it is an uncaring giving them a platform enabling their paranoia.

Who determines that? Speech shouldnt be censored but it can be ignored. Whe do we all want to regulate everything?

By all means be ready have a discussion with opposing views that at least have some grounding in reality.

Does the MInistry of Truth determine which conversations are permissible?

 

[Regan]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/9Qrlt3tse0wz/

Hi just a nursing home assistant talking about what has happened after giving the vaccine to the residents in his aged care home

It goes for about 3 minutes