Coronavirus Outbreak

[Tiger5150]

These outbreaks are going to just go on and on until they stop the planes.

I’ve got a pretty strong opinion that we need to set a deadline to return home from abroad. The bandaid effect of slowly allowing people to return is crazy.

There’s military capability to set final flights home from each country in the world. Return travellers “stuck” overseas should have an option to contact the embassy, sign up for a final return flight and be able to ship out. Otherwise, enjoy your travels and we hope the country you’re travelling in can manage the virus effectively.

I’ve got family and friends struggling to keep their businesses and jobs afloat because of this virus and I just find it astonishing that we are just continually letting this virus and its variants back in time and time again with the every possible chance of major breakouts and potential loss of life.

When is enough enough? Can anyone actually see an end to this without virtually complete border closure?

Every new breakout is a heavier burden on the economy and risk to everything we’ve all worked so hard to prevent.

The problem isnt people just deciding to come home in bits and pieces, there is an 8week waiting list of people to get back. The issue is flight and quarantine capacity.

 

[cochise]

These outbreaks are going to just go on and on until they stop the planes.

I’ve got a pretty strong opinion that we need to set a deadline to return home from abroad. The bandaid effect of slowly allowing people to return is crazy.

There’s military capability to set final flights home from each country in the world. Return travellers “stuck” overseas should have an option to contact the embassy, sign up for a final return flight and be able to ship out. Otherwise, enjoy your travels and we hope the country you’re travelling in can manage the virus effectively.

I’ve got family and friends struggling to keep their businesses and jobs afloat because of this virus and I just find it astonishing that we are just continually letting this virus and its variants back in time and time again with the every possible chance of major breakouts and potential loss of life.

When is enough enough? Can anyone actually see an end to this without virtually complete border closure?

Every new breakout is a heavier burden on the economy and risk to everything we’ve all worked so hard to prevent.

I know it goes against popular opinion but I am not a fan of stopping Australians from returning home.

 

[tigertye]

These outbreaks are going to just go on and on until they stop the planes.

I’ve got a pretty strong opinion that we need to set a deadline to return home from abroad. The bandaid effect of slowly allowing people to return is crazy.

There’s military capability to set final flights home from each country in the world. Return travellers “stuck” overseas should have an option to contact the embassy, sign up for a final return flight and be able to ship out. Otherwise, enjoy your travels and we hope the country you’re travelling in can manage the virus effectively.

I’ve got family and friends struggling to keep their businesses and jobs afloat because of this virus and I just find it astonishing that we are just continually letting this virus and its variants back in time and time again with the every possible chance of major breakouts and potential loss of life.

When is enough enough? Can anyone actually see an end to this without virtually complete border closure?

Every new breakout is a heavier burden on the economy and risk to everything we’ve all worked so hard to prevent.


The problem isnt people just deciding to come home in bits and pieces, there is an 8week waiting list of people to get back. The issue is flight and quarantine capacity.

Military fixes the flight issues and waiting list. Quarantine them in tents if need be for peats sake. Couple of weeks of camping after their overseas holiday won’t kill them.

Alternatively, let them trickle back in and continue to bugger the economy with lock downs and restrictions.

We need a better and faster solution to nip this is the bud until the world is safe again.

 

[tigertye]

These outbreaks are going to just go on and on until they stop the planes.

I’ve got a pretty strong opinion that we need to set a deadline to return home from abroad. The bandaid effect of slowly allowing people to return is crazy.

There’s military capability to set final flights home from each country in the world. Return travellers “stuck” overseas should have an option to contact the embassy, sign up for a final return flight and be able to ship out. Otherwise, enjoy your travels and we hope the country you’re travelling in can manage the virus effectively.

I’ve got family and friends struggling to keep their businesses and jobs afloat because of this virus and I just find it astonishing that we are just continually letting this virus and its variants back in time and time again with the every possible chance of major breakouts and potential loss of life.

When is enough enough? Can anyone actually see an end to this without virtually complete border closure?

Every new breakout is a heavier burden on the economy and risk to everything we’ve all worked so hard to prevent.

I know it goes against popular opinion but I am not a fan of stopping Australians from returning home.

Is it stopping them if they have a chance to return home but don’t?

 

[mike]

These outbreaks are going to just go on and on until they stop the planes.

I’ve got a pretty strong opinion that we need to set a deadline to return home from abroad. The bandaid effect of slowly allowing people to return is crazy.

There’s military capability to set final flights home from each country in the world. Return travellers “stuck” overseas should have an option to contact the embassy, sign up for a final return flight and be able to ship out. Otherwise, enjoy your travels and we hope the country you’re travelling in can manage the virus effectively.

I’ve got family and friends struggling to keep their businesses and jobs afloat because of this virus and I just find it astonishing that we are just continually letting this virus and its variants back in time and time again with the every possible chance of major breakouts and potential loss of life.

When is enough enough? Can anyone actually see an end to this without virtually complete border closure?

Every new breakout is a heavier burden on the economy and risk to everything we’ve all worked so hard to prevent.

I know it goes against popular opinion but I am not a fan of stopping Australians from returning home.

On that we can agree, me either.

 

[cochise]

These outbreaks are going to just go on and on until they stop the planes.

I’ve got a pretty strong opinion that we need to set a deadline to return home from abroad. The bandaid effect of slowly allowing people to return is crazy.

There’s military capability to set final flights home from each country in the world. Return travellers “stuck” overseas should have an option to contact the embassy, sign up for a final return flight and be able to ship out. Otherwise, enjoy your travels and we hope the country you’re travelling in can manage the virus effectively.

I’ve got family and friends struggling to keep their businesses and jobs afloat because of this virus and I just find it astonishing that we are just continually letting this virus and its variants back in time and time again with the every possible chance of major breakouts and potential loss of life.

When is enough enough? Can anyone actually see an end to this without virtually complete border closure?

Every new breakout is a heavier burden on the economy and risk to everything we’ve all worked so hard to prevent.

I know it goes against popular opinion but I am not a fan of stopping Australians from returning home.

Is it stopping them if they have a chance to return home but don’t?

Yes

 

[Tiger5150]

These outbreaks are going to just go on and on until they stop the planes.

I’ve got a pretty strong opinion that we need to set a deadline to return home from abroad. The bandaid effect of slowly allowing people to return is crazy.

There’s military capability to set final flights home from each country in the world. Return travellers “stuck” overseas should have an option to contact the embassy, sign up for a final return flight and be able to ship out. Otherwise, enjoy your travels and we hope the country you’re travelling in can manage the virus effectively.

I’ve got family and friends struggling to keep their businesses and jobs afloat because of this virus and I just find it astonishing that we are just continually letting this virus and its variants back in time and time again with the every possible chance of major breakouts and potential loss of life.

When is enough enough? Can anyone actually see an end to this without virtually complete border closure?

Every new breakout is a heavier burden on the economy and risk to everything we’ve all worked so hard to prevent.


The problem isnt people just deciding to come home in bits and pieces, there is an 8week waiting list of people to get back. The issue is flight and quarantine capacity.

Military fixes the flight issues and waiting list. Quarantine them in tents if need be for peats sake. Couple of weeks of camping after their overseas holiday won’t kill them.

Alternatively, let them trickle back in and continue to bugger the economy with lock downs and restrictions.

We need a better and faster solution to nip this is the bud until the world is safe again.

I dont agree that it fixes the problem. I dont know the number but say its 20K still to come back, if they all got back in say two weeks using your method, IMO there would almost certainly be breaches of protocols and almost guaranteed to get the virus back out into the community again and who knows what. If it takes 20 weeks and they all trickle through managed quarantine without any breaches, where is the problem.

 

[tigertye]

These outbreaks are going to just go on and on until they stop the planes.

I’ve got a pretty strong opinion that we need to set a deadline to return home from abroad. The bandaid effect of slowly allowing people to return is crazy.

There’s military capability to set final flights home from each country in the world. Return travellers “stuck” overseas should have an option to contact the embassy, sign up for a final return flight and be able to ship out. Otherwise, enjoy your travels and we hope the country you’re travelling in can manage the virus effectively.

I’ve got family and friends struggling to keep their businesses and jobs afloat because of this virus and I just find it astonishing that we are just continually letting this virus and its variants back in time and time again with the every possible chance of major breakouts and potential loss of life.

When is enough enough? Can anyone actually see an end to this without virtually complete border closure?

Every new breakout is a heavier burden on the economy and risk to everything we’ve all worked so hard to prevent.

I know it goes against popular opinion but I am not a fan of stopping Australians from returning home.

Is it stopping them if they have a chance to return home but don’t?

Yes

I guess we’d have to disagree on that. If they’re provided with an opportunity to get a flight home, but take on the risk of staying and travelling that’s on them in my opinion.

 

[Rugba]

I think some authorities in VIC are telling porkies to justify the VIC lockdown. New form of Covid transmission, oh really.

How about you justify your opinion that authorities are telling lies?

Why? Do you think anything is unique in VIC and that there is a new form of transmission or that the incubation time is now less than one day? Because that’s what the VIC govt is saying. I say porkies.

Sure, ok. Yeh. Fine. That's your interpretation. But, why would they be "telling porkies"? How about you give your interpretation of that?

Not telling the truth to justify their actions. ie look how bad this is we had to lock down. It’s different, incubation less than a day, now supposed new form of transmission. Not we stuffed up again, that’s why we have to lock down.

I know you're a prolific poster on here so I don't know how you find time to be an epidemiologist. But, clearly, you are.

I just thought you were an opportunistic, political grenade thrower. But, no, YOU know the truth and those so-called medical authorities in Victoria are telling us lies.

They're obviuosly in need of help, so are you offering your superior intellect and insights? You can still access the WTF from Victoria, you know.

I don’t blame him .

Remember south Australia saying that the case they had was a new variant for the one case .

Or how we have been told numerous times uk variant spreads quicker ( didn’t seem to go out of control in other states when leaked from quarantine ). And now Indian variant spreads quicker , each time there is a new variant they keep saying same thing .. soon will transmit telepathically 🙂.

Personally I agree with @mike It does feel like face saving excercise from vic authorities, if transmission was so bad like they are making out cases would be significantly higher due to many exposure sites and some venues with massive crowds

 

[cochise]

These outbreaks are going to just go on and on until they stop the planes.

I’ve got a pretty strong opinion that we need to set a deadline to return home from abroad. The bandaid effect of slowly allowing people to return is crazy.

There’s military capability to set final flights home from each country in the world. Return travellers “stuck” overseas should have an option to contact the embassy, sign up for a final return flight and be able to ship out. Otherwise, enjoy your travels and we hope the country you’re travelling in can manage the virus effectively.

I’ve got family and friends struggling to keep their businesses and jobs afloat because of this virus and I just find it astonishing that we are just continually letting this virus and its variants back in time and time again with the every possible chance of major breakouts and potential loss of life.

When is enough enough? Can anyone actually see an end to this without virtually complete border closure?

Every new breakout is a heavier burden on the economy and risk to everything we’ve all worked so hard to prevent.

I know it goes against popular opinion but I am not a fan of stopping Australians from returning home.

Is it stopping them if they have a chance to return home but don’t?

Yes

I guess we’d have to disagree on that. If they’re provided with an opportunity to get a flight home, but take on the risk of staying and travelling that’s on them in my opinion.

I get why people feel like that and had times I have gone close to agreeing with you. The issue I have is that is not the Australia I am proud of, we look after each other even when we make mistakes. I don't believe in telling people they can not come home regardless of the mistakes they have made.

 

[tigertye]

These outbreaks are going to just go on and on until they stop the planes.

I’ve got a pretty strong opinion that we need to set a deadline to return home from abroad. The bandaid effect of slowly allowing people to return is crazy.

There’s military capability to set final flights home from each country in the world. Return travellers “stuck” overseas should have an option to contact the embassy, sign up for a final return flight and be able to ship out. Otherwise, enjoy your travels and we hope the country you’re travelling in can manage the virus effectively.

I’ve got family and friends struggling to keep their businesses and jobs afloat because of this virus and I just find it astonishing that we are just continually letting this virus and its variants back in time and time again with the every possible chance of major breakouts and potential loss of life.

When is enough enough? Can anyone actually see an end to this without virtually complete border closure?

Every new breakout is a heavier burden on the economy and risk to everything we’ve all worked so hard to prevent.

I know it goes against popular opinion but I am not a fan of stopping Australians from returning home.

Is it stopping them if they have a chance to return home but don’t?

Yes

I guess we’d have to disagree on that. If they’re provided with an opportunity to get a flight home, but take on the risk of staying and travelling that’s on them in my opinion.

I get why people feel like that and had times I have gone close to agreeing with you. The issue I have is that is not the Australia I am proud of, we look after each other even when we make mistakes. I don't believe in telling people they can not come home regardless of the mistakes they have made.

I can respect that. I’m just so frustrated by the constant return of lockdown and restrictions. It just seems so unnecessary.

Me and another 80 blokes were made redundant last year due to the situation in Victoria. I was lucky to find work straight away. The fact that people are still overseas on a holiday, only returning when it hits the fan in that country frustrates the life out of me.

I would never turn an Aussie away, don’t get me wrong, but if they willingly stay after a deadline then a line in the sand has to be drawn for the sake of our own economy, health and general safety.

Otherwise, and as I see occurring time and time again, until every single traveller has returned from overseas, there’s an imminent threat of another break out nationally. If we get it wrong once it’s here and luckily have avoided so far it could be catastrophic.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

These outbreaks are going to just go on and on until they stop the planes.

I’ve got a pretty strong opinion that we need to set a deadline to return home from abroad. The bandaid effect of slowly allowing people to return is crazy.

There’s military capability to set final flights home from each country in the world. Return travellers “stuck” overseas should have an option to contact the embassy, sign up for a final return flight and be able to ship out. Otherwise, enjoy your travels and we hope the country you’re travelling in can manage the virus effectively.

I’ve got family and friends struggling to keep their businesses and jobs afloat because of this virus and I just find it astonishing that we are just continually letting this virus and its variants back in time and time again with the every possible chance of major breakouts and potential loss of life.

When is enough enough? Can anyone actually see an end to this without virtually complete border closure?

Every new breakout is a heavier burden on the economy and risk to everything we’ve all worked so hard to prevent.

I know it goes against popular opinion but I am not a fan of stopping Australians from returning home.

Is it stopping them if they have a chance to return home but don’t?

Yes

I guess we’d have to disagree on that. If they’re provided with an opportunity to get a flight home, but take on the risk of staying and travelling that’s on them in my opinion.

I get why people feel like that and had times I have gone close to agreeing with you. The issue I have is that is not the Australia I am proud of, we look after each other even when we make mistakes. I don't believe in telling people they can not come home regardless of the mistakes they have made.

I can respect that. I’m just so frustrated by the constant return of lockdown and restrictions. It just seems so unnecessary.

Me and another 80 blokes were made redundant last year due to the situation in Victoria. I was lucky to find work straight away. The fact that people are still overseas on a holiday, only returning when it hits the fan in that country frustrates the life out of me.

I would never turn an Aussie away, don’t get me wrong, but if they willingly stay after a deadline then a line in the sand has to be drawn for the sake of our own economy, health and general safety.

Otherwise, and as I see occurring time and time again, until every single traveller has returned from overseas, there’s an imminent threat of another break out nationally. If we get it wrong once it’s here and luckily have avoided so far it could be catastrophic.

People aren't just on holiday. There's people overseas on employment and looking after family etc. I do understand the viewpoint that if people haven't come home already unless absolutely necessary (i.e. caring for family or employment,) then they run the risk. It is an absolutely reasonable view to hold.

That all being said however, I am of the view that Australians hold a small blue document that should entitle them to right of return at any time of their choosing. I am vehemently opposed to Australia closing it's doors to any Australian citizen.

As a footnote, I am sorry to hear you and you colleagues lost your jobs. It is good to hear you were able to find employment, I hope that your colleagues are as fortunate.

 

[cochise]

These outbreaks are going to just go on and on until they stop the planes.

I’ve got a pretty strong opinion that we need to set a deadline to return home from abroad. The bandaid effect of slowly allowing people to return is crazy.

There’s military capability to set final flights home from each country in the world. Return travellers “stuck” overseas should have an option to contact the embassy, sign up for a final return flight and be able to ship out. Otherwise, enjoy your travels and we hope the country you’re travelling in can manage the virus effectively.

I’ve got family and friends struggling to keep their businesses and jobs afloat because of this virus and I just find it astonishing that we are just continually letting this virus and its variants back in time and time again with the every possible chance of major breakouts and potential loss of life.

When is enough enough? Can anyone actually see an end to this without virtually complete border closure?

Every new breakout is a heavier burden on the economy and risk to everything we’ve all worked so hard to prevent.

I know it goes against popular opinion but I am not a fan of stopping Australians from returning home.

Is it stopping them if they have a chance to return home but don’t?

Yes

I guess we’d have to disagree on that. If they’re provided with an opportunity to get a flight home, but take on the risk of staying and travelling that’s on them in my opinion.

I get why people feel like that and had times I have gone close to agreeing with you. The issue I have is that is not the Australia I am proud of, we look after each other even when we make mistakes. I don't believe in telling people they can not come home regardless of the mistakes they have made.

I can respect that. I’m just so frustrated by the constant return of lockdown and restrictions. It just seems so unnecessary.

Me and another 80 blokes were made redundant last year due to the situation in Victoria. I was lucky to find work straight away. The fact that people are still overseas on a holiday, only returning when it hits the fan in that country frustrates the life out of me.

I would never turn an Aussie away, don’t get me wrong, but if they willingly stay after a deadline then a line in the sand has to be drawn for the sake of our own economy, health and general safety.

Otherwise, and as I see occurring time and time again, until every single traveller has returned from overseas, there’s an imminent threat of another break out nationally. If we get it wrong once it’s here and luckily have avoided so far it could be catastrophic.

Holidaying is a very narrow view of what people are doing overseas. A lot of people are over there working in what may be the only way of supporting their families.

 

[cochise]

These outbreaks are going to just go on and on until they stop the planes.

I’ve got a pretty strong opinion that we need to set a deadline to return home from abroad. The bandaid effect of slowly allowing people to return is crazy.

There’s military capability to set final flights home from each country in the world. Return travellers “stuck” overseas should have an option to contact the embassy, sign up for a final return flight and be able to ship out. Otherwise, enjoy your travels and we hope the country you’re travelling in can manage the virus effectively.

I’ve got family and friends struggling to keep their businesses and jobs afloat because of this virus and I just find it astonishing that we are just continually letting this virus and its variants back in time and time again with the every possible chance of major breakouts and potential loss of life.

When is enough enough? Can anyone actually see an end to this without virtually complete border closure?

Every new breakout is a heavier burden on the economy and risk to everything we’ve all worked so hard to prevent.

I know it goes against popular opinion but I am not a fan of stopping Australians from returning home.

Is it stopping them if they have a chance to return home but don’t?

Yes

I guess we’d have to disagree on that. If they’re provided with an opportunity to get a flight home, but take on the risk of staying and travelling that’s on them in my opinion.

I get why people feel like that and had times I have gone close to agreeing with you. The issue I have is that is not the Australia I am proud of, we look after each other even when we make mistakes. I don't believe in telling people they can not come home regardless of the mistakes they have made.

I can respect that. I’m just so frustrated by the constant return of lockdown and restrictions. It just seems so unnecessary.

Me and another 80 blokes were made redundant last year due to the situation in Victoria. I was lucky to find work straight away. The fact that people are still overseas on a holiday, only returning when it hits the fan in that country frustrates the life out of me.

I would never turn an Aussie away, don’t get me wrong, but if they willingly stay after a deadline then a line in the sand has to be drawn for the sake of our own economy, health and general safety.

Otherwise, and as I see occurring time and time again, until every single traveller has returned from overseas, there’s an imminent threat of another break out nationally. If we get it wrong once it’s here and luckily have avoided so far it could be catastrophic.

People aren't just on holiday. There's people overseas on employment and looking after family etc. I do understand the viewpoint that if people haven't come home already unless absolutely necessary (i.e. caring for family or employment,) then they run the risk. It is an absolutely reasonable view to hold.

That all being said however, I am of the view that Australians hold a small blue document that should entitle them to right of return at any time of their choosing. I am vehemently opposed to Australia closing it's doors to any Australian citizen.

As a footnote, I am sorry to hear you and you colleagues lost your jobs. It is good to hear you were able to find employment, I hope that your colleagues are as fortunate.

Well said mate, I waivered in this belief a couple of months ago and it was a post similar to this one by you that brought my belief back to where it is now.

 

[mike]

I think some authorities in VIC are telling porkies to justify the VIC lockdown. New form of Covid transmission, oh really.

How about you justify your opinion that authorities are telling lies?

Why? Do you think anything is unique in VIC and that there is a new form of transmission or that the incubation time is now less than one day? Because that’s what the VIC govt is saying. I say porkies.

Sure, ok. Yeh. Fine. That's your interpretation. But, why would they be "telling porkies"? How about you give your interpretation of that?

Not telling the truth to justify their actions. ie look how bad this is we had to lock down. It’s different, incubation less than a day, now supposed new form of transmission. Not we stuffed up again, that’s why we have to lock down.

I know you're a prolific poster on here so I don't know how you find time to be an epidemiologist. But, clearly, you are.

I just thought you were an opportunistic, political grenade thrower. But, no, YOU know the truth and those so-called medical authorities in Victoria are telling us lies.

They're obviuosly in need of help, so are you offering your superior intellect and insights? You can still access the WTF from Victoria, you know.

I don’t blame him .

Remember south Australia saying that the case they had was a new variant for the one case .

Or how we have been told numerous times uk variant spreads quicker ( didn’t seem to go out of control in other states when leaked from quarantine ). And now Indian variant spreads quicker , each time there is a new variant they keep saying same thing .. soon will transmit telepathically 🙂.

Personally I agree with @mike It does feel like face saving excercise from vic authorities, if transmission was so bad like they are making out cases would be significantly higher due to many exposure sites and some venues with massive crowds

The WTF is a form of media, albeit a small, inconsequential form of social media. But, media literacy extends to any type of media, and I am trusting the official view of the medical and government authorities of Victoria more than the "opinions" of @mike or anyone else. And, I'll call it out every time.

In this morning's SMH online:
"Journalism fell into a trap with the climate crisis. By balancing the arguments of scientists and deniers early on, the media gave the public a distorted view of the expert consensus.

We now live with the outcome of that coverage: less than half of Americans surveyed in 2016 believed the climate crisis was caused by human action, compared to 97 per cent of climate scientists."

I'm not going to be part of any distortion for the sake of someone having a venue such as this to post a counter "opinion".

My option of the official line, especially the Victorian and Federal govt’s, is declining rapidly as they continue to put out crap to justify their positions rather than quoting actual scientific data.

 

[happy_tiger]

Question : is taking the vaccine for residents in aged care centres compulsory ??

 

[old_man_tiger]

Question : is taking the vaccine for residents in aged care centres compulsory ??

No mate, I heard some residents have said no, including one entire centre somewhere in Aus. This was part of the info released by Greg Hunt yesterday as per the ABC.

 

[cochise]

Question : is taking the vaccine for residents in aged care centres compulsory ??

No

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/information-for-aged-care-providers-workers-and-residents-about-covid-19-vaccines/covid-19-vaccine-information-for-aged-care-residents