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@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379095) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379090) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379069) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379007) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379005) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379001) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378986) said:
These outbreaks are going to just go on and on until they stop the planes.

I’ve got a pretty strong opinion that we need to set a deadline to return home from abroad. The bandaid effect of slowly allowing people to return is crazy.

There’s military capability to set final flights home from each country in the world. Return travellers “stuck” overseas should have an option to contact the embassy, sign up for a final return flight and be able to ship out. Otherwise, enjoy your travels and we hope the country you’re travelling in can manage the virus effectively.

I’ve got family and friends struggling to keep their businesses and jobs afloat because of this virus and I just find it astonishing that we are just continually letting this virus and its variants back in time and time again with the every possible chance of major breakouts and potential loss of life.

When is enough enough? Can anyone actually see an end to this without virtually complete border closure?

Every new breakout is a heavier burden on the economy and risk to everything we’ve all worked so hard to prevent.

I know it goes against popular opinion but I am not a fan of stopping Australians from returning home.

Is it stopping them if they have a chance to return home but don’t?

Yes

I guess we’d have to disagree on that. If they’re provided with an opportunity to get a flight home, but take on the risk of staying and travelling that’s on them in my opinion.

I get why people feel like that and had times I have gone close to agreeing with you. The issue I have is that is not the Australia I am proud of, we look after each other even when we make mistakes. I don't believe in telling people they can not come home regardless of the mistakes they have made.

I can respect that. I’m just so frustrated by the constant return of lockdown and restrictions. It just seems so unnecessary.

Me and another 80 blokes were made redundant last year due to the situation in Victoria. I was lucky to find work straight away. The fact that ***people are still overseas on a holiday***, only returning when it hits the fan in that country frustrates the life out of me.

No one is overseas on a holiday. You can not leave Australia for a holiday. You need to get permission to leave Australia for the last 12 months, you have to have a significant reason like my mate for his dying father and my mate had to sign a stat dec stating he would not seek to return for a minimum of 3 months.
 
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379129) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379095) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379090) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379069) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379007) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379005) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379001) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378986) said:
These outbreaks are going to just go on and on until they stop the planes.

I’ve got a pretty strong opinion that we need to set a deadline to return home from abroad. The bandaid effect of slowly allowing people to return is crazy.

There’s military capability to set final flights home from each country in the world. Return travellers “stuck” overseas should have an option to contact the embassy, sign up for a final return flight and be able to ship out. Otherwise, enjoy your travels and we hope the country you’re travelling in can manage the virus effectively.

I’ve got family and friends struggling to keep their businesses and jobs afloat because of this virus and I just find it astonishing that we are just continually letting this virus and its variants back in time and time again with the every possible chance of major breakouts and potential loss of life.

When is enough enough? Can anyone actually see an end to this without virtually complete border closure?

Every new breakout is a heavier burden on the economy and risk to everything we’ve all worked so hard to prevent.

I know it goes against popular opinion but I am not a fan of stopping Australians from returning home.

Is it stopping them if they have a chance to return home but don’t?

Yes

I guess we’d have to disagree on that. If they’re provided with an opportunity to get a flight home, but take on the risk of staying and travelling that’s on them in my opinion.

I get why people feel like that and had times I have gone close to agreeing with you. The issue I have is that is not the Australia I am proud of, we look after each other even when we make mistakes. I don't believe in telling people they can not come home regardless of the mistakes they have made.

I can respect that. I’m just so frustrated by the constant return of lockdown and restrictions. It just seems so unnecessary.

Me and another 80 blokes were made redundant last year due to the situation in Victoria. I was lucky to find work straight away. The fact that ***people are still overseas on a holiday***, only returning when it hits the fan in that country frustrates the life out of me.


No one is overseas on a holiday. You can not leave Australia for a holiday. You need to get permission to leave Australia for the last 12 months, you have to have a significant reason like my mate for his dying father and my mate had to sign a stat dec stating he would not seek to return for a minimum of 3 months.

Didn't someone go to India to get married?
 
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379097) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379095) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379090) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379069) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379007) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379005) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379001) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378986) said:
These outbreaks are going to just go on and on until they stop the planes.

I’ve got a pretty strong opinion that we need to set a deadline to return home from abroad. The bandaid effect of slowly allowing people to return is crazy.

There’s military capability to set final flights home from each country in the world. Return travellers “stuck” overseas should have an option to contact the embassy, sign up for a final return flight and be able to ship out. Otherwise, enjoy your travels and we hope the country you’re travelling in can manage the virus effectively.

I’ve got family and friends struggling to keep their businesses and jobs afloat because of this virus and I just find it astonishing that we are just continually letting this virus and its variants back in time and time again with the every possible chance of major breakouts and potential loss of life.

When is enough enough? Can anyone actually see an end to this without virtually complete border closure?

Every new breakout is a heavier burden on the economy and risk to everything we’ve all worked so hard to prevent.

I know it goes against popular opinion but I am not a fan of stopping Australians from returning home.

Is it stopping them if they have a chance to return home but don’t?

Yes

I guess we’d have to disagree on that. If they’re provided with an opportunity to get a flight home, but take on the risk of staying and travelling that’s on them in my opinion.

I get why people feel like that and had times I have gone close to agreeing with you. The issue I have is that is not the Australia I am proud of, we look after each other even when we make mistakes. I don't believe in telling people they can not come home regardless of the mistakes they have made.

I can respect that. I’m just so frustrated by the constant return of lockdown and restrictions. It just seems so unnecessary.

Me and another 80 blokes were made redundant last year due to the situation in Victoria. I was lucky to find work straight away. The fact that people are still overseas on a holiday, only returning when it hits the fan in that country frustrates the life out of me.

I would never turn an Aussie away, don’t get me wrong, but if they willingly stay after a deadline then a line in the sand has to be drawn for the sake of our own economy, health and general safety.

Otherwise, and as I see occurring time and time again, until every single traveller has returned from overseas, there’s an imminent threat of another break out nationally. If we get it wrong once it’s here and luckily have avoided so far it could be catastrophic.

People aren't just on holiday. There's people overseas on employment and looking after family etc. I do understand the viewpoint that if people haven't come home already unless absolutely necessary (i.e. caring for family or employment,) then they run the risk. It is an absolutely reasonable view to hold.

Totally agree with this. I have previously copped flack here for saying that people that are still stuck overseas are their of their own choice, they were warned a year ago to get back or it will be difficult and the people still overseas made that choice. If they came back then it was quicker, easier and the government was footing the bill. Now to come back takes longer, is harder and is at the a significant cost to the traveller and I have no problem with that. THey should still be able to come back.
 
@gallagher said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379130) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379129) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379095) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379090) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379069) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379007) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379005) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379001) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378986) said:
These outbreaks are going to just go on and on until they stop the planes.

I’ve got a pretty strong opinion that we need to set a deadline to return home from abroad. The bandaid effect of slowly allowing people to return is crazy.

There’s military capability to set final flights home from each country in the world. Return travellers “stuck” overseas should have an option to contact the embassy, sign up for a final return flight and be able to ship out. Otherwise, enjoy your travels and we hope the country you’re travelling in can manage the virus effectively.

I’ve got family and friends struggling to keep their businesses and jobs afloat because of this virus and I just find it astonishing that we are just continually letting this virus and its variants back in time and time again with the every possible chance of major breakouts and potential loss of life.

When is enough enough? Can anyone actually see an end to this without virtually complete border closure?

Every new breakout is a heavier burden on the economy and risk to everything we’ve all worked so hard to prevent.

I know it goes against popular opinion but I am not a fan of stopping Australians from returning home.

Is it stopping them if they have a chance to return home but don’t?

Yes

I guess we’d have to disagree on that. If they’re provided with an opportunity to get a flight home, but take on the risk of staying and travelling that’s on them in my opinion.

I get why people feel like that and had times I have gone close to agreeing with you. The issue I have is that is not the Australia I am proud of, we look after each other even when we make mistakes. I don't believe in telling people they can not come home regardless of the mistakes they have made.

I can respect that. I’m just so frustrated by the constant return of lockdown and restrictions. It just seems so unnecessary.

Me and another 80 blokes were made redundant last year due to the situation in Victoria. I was lucky to find work straight away. The fact that ***people are still overseas on a holiday***, only returning when it hits the fan in that country frustrates the life out of me.


No one is overseas on a holiday. You can not leave Australia for a holiday. You need to get permission to leave Australia for the last 12 months, you have to have a significant reason like my mate for his dying father and my mate had to sign a stat dec stating he would not seek to return for a minimum of 3 months.

Didn't someone go to India to get married?


YOu are right and there was an investigation into how that happened because it is against the regs. I can only assume someone deemed it a good enough reason.
 
The Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee heard from medical professionals who advocate for alternative COVID-19 treatments and mitigation measures to those of the National Institutes of Health, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and World Health Organization

https://vimeo.com/490351508
 
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379097) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379095) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379090) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379069) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379007) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379005) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379001) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378986) said:
These outbreaks are going to just go on and on until they stop the planes.

I’ve got a pretty strong opinion that we need to set a deadline to return home from abroad. The bandaid effect of slowly allowing people to return is crazy.

There’s military capability to set final flights home from each country in the world. Return travellers “stuck” overseas should have an option to contact the embassy, sign up for a final return flight and be able to ship out. Otherwise, enjoy your travels and we hope the country you’re travelling in can manage the virus effectively.

I’ve got family and friends struggling to keep their businesses and jobs afloat because of this virus and I just find it astonishing that we are just continually letting this virus and its variants back in time and time again with the every possible chance of major breakouts and potential loss of life.

When is enough enough? Can anyone actually see an end to this without virtually complete border closure?

Every new breakout is a heavier burden on the economy and risk to everything we’ve all worked so hard to prevent.

I know it goes against popular opinion but I am not a fan of stopping Australians from returning home.

Is it stopping them if they have a chance to return home but don’t?

Yes

I guess we’d have to disagree on that. If they’re provided with an opportunity to get a flight home, but take on the risk of staying and travelling that’s on them in my opinion.

I get why people feel like that and had times I have gone close to agreeing with you. The issue I have is that is not the Australia I am proud of, we look after each other even when we make mistakes. I don't believe in telling people they can not come home regardless of the mistakes they have made.

I can respect that. I’m just so frustrated by the constant return of lockdown and restrictions. It just seems so unnecessary.

Me and another 80 blokes were made redundant last year due to the situation in Victoria. I was lucky to find work straight away. The fact that people are still overseas on a holiday, only returning when it hits the fan in that country frustrates the life out of me.

I would never turn an Aussie away, don’t get me wrong, but if they willingly stay after a deadline then a line in the sand has to be drawn for the sake of our own economy, health and general safety.

Otherwise, and as I see occurring time and time again, until every single traveller has returned from overseas, there’s an imminent threat of another break out nationally. If we get it wrong once it’s here and luckily have avoided so far it could be catastrophic.

People aren't just on holiday. There's people overseas on employment and looking after family etc. I do understand the viewpoint that if people haven't come home already unless absolutely necessary (i.e. caring for family or employment,) then they run the risk. It is an absolutely reasonable view to hold.

That all being said however, I am of the view that Australians hold a small blue document that should entitle them to right of return at any time of their choosing. I am vehemently opposed to Australia closing it's doors to any Australian citizen.

As a footnote, I am sorry to hear you and you colleagues lost your jobs. It is good to hear you were able to find employment, I hope that your colleagues are as fortunate.

CB, there are people over there still on holiday. I’ve got mates still over there doing exactly that. I personally blame the government for not providing opportunities for a faster and safer way home.

If Australia all but is clear in a year and a single person comes back positive and gets into the public, we’re back at square one again.

People seem to forget that people in employment and caring after family here are still being put through the ringer time and time again because of the return travellers. They can’t pay their bills or feed their family with each lockdown that comes through. So it’s not just the people overseas working who are put out.

If the minority need to come back and find alternative employment then so be it. The job loss that occurs at each lockdown far outweighs the minority working overseas.

If people have to care for family well maybe they have to stay and ride it out in that country or find support systems in the respective country to care for the family.

I’m not trying to come across as heartless, please don’t take my comments the wrong way. I want the best for Aussies too. I look at it from the perspective of, would I be angry if a return traveller caused someone in my family to be sick, or potentially die, very much so. Is another’s employment or holiday more important then the lives we all care about? Absolutely not.

So in my opinion it becomes a black and white answer of get them home ASAP or lock them out until it’s over. It’s completely the individuals decision, but a harsh reality given the global situation.
 
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379233) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379097) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379095) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379090) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379069) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379007) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379005) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379001) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378986) said:
These outbreaks are going to just go on and on until they stop the planes.

I’ve got a pretty strong opinion that we need to set a deadline to return home from abroad. The bandaid effect of slowly allowing people to return is crazy.

There’s military capability to set final flights home from each country in the world. Return travellers “stuck” overseas should have an option to contact the embassy, sign up for a final return flight and be able to ship out. Otherwise, enjoy your travels and we hope the country you’re travelling in can manage the virus effectively.

I’ve got family and friends struggling to keep their businesses and jobs afloat because of this virus and I just find it astonishing that we are just continually letting this virus and its variants back in time and time again with the every possible chance of major breakouts and potential loss of life.

When is enough enough? Can anyone actually see an end to this without virtually complete border closure?

Every new breakout is a heavier burden on the economy and risk to everything we’ve all worked so hard to prevent.

I know it goes against popular opinion but I am not a fan of stopping Australians from returning home.

Is it stopping them if they have a chance to return home but don’t?

Yes

I guess we’d have to disagree on that. If they’re provided with an opportunity to get a flight home, but take on the risk of staying and travelling that’s on them in my opinion.

I get why people feel like that and had times I have gone close to agreeing with you. The issue I have is that is not the Australia I am proud of, we look after each other even when we make mistakes. I don't believe in telling people they can not come home regardless of the mistakes they have made.

I can respect that. I’m just so frustrated by the constant return of lockdown and restrictions. It just seems so unnecessary.

Me and another 80 blokes were made redundant last year due to the situation in Victoria. I was lucky to find work straight away. The fact that people are still overseas on a holiday, only returning when it hits the fan in that country frustrates the life out of me.

I would never turn an Aussie away, don’t get me wrong, but if they willingly stay after a deadline then a line in the sand has to be drawn for the sake of our own economy, health and general safety.

Otherwise, and as I see occurring time and time again, until every single traveller has returned from overseas, there’s an imminent threat of another break out nationally. If we get it wrong once it’s here and luckily have avoided so far it could be catastrophic.

People aren't just on holiday. There's people overseas on employment and looking after family etc. I do understand the viewpoint that if people haven't come home already unless absolutely necessary (i.e. caring for family or employment,) then they run the risk. It is an absolutely reasonable view to hold.

That all being said however, I am of the view that Australians hold a small blue document that should entitle them to right of return at any time of their choosing. I am vehemently opposed to Australia closing it's doors to any Australian citizen.

As a footnote, I am sorry to hear you and you colleagues lost your jobs. It is good to hear you were able to find employment, I hope that your colleagues are as fortunate.

CB, there are people over there still on holiday. I’ve got mates still over there doing exactly that. I personally blame the government for not providing opportunities for a faster and safer way home.

If Australia all but is clear in a year and a single person comes back positive and gets into the public, we’re back at square one again.

People seem to forget that people in employment and caring after family here are still being put through the ringer time and time again because of the return travellers. They can’t pay their bills or feed their family with each lockdown that comes through. So it’s not just the people overseas working who are put out.

If the minority need to come back and find alternative employment then so be it. The job loss that occurs at each lockdown far outweighs the minority working overseas.

If people have to care for family well maybe they have to stay and ride it out in that country or find support systems in the respective country to care for the family.

I’m not trying to come across as heartless, please don’t take my comments the wrong way. I want the best for Aussies too. I look at it from the perspective of, would I be angry if a return traveller caused someone in my family to be sick, or potentially die, very much so. Is another’s employment or holiday more important then the lives we all care about? Absolutely not.

So in my opinion it becomes a black and white answer of get them home ASAP or lock them out until it’s over. It’s completely the individuals decision, but a harsh reality given the global situation.

Yeah I can see that argument but it just goes against my belief that we shouldn't lock Australians out.
 
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379233) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379097) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379095) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379090) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379069) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379007) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379005) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379001) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378986) said:
These outbreaks are going to just go on and on until they stop the planes.

I’ve got a pretty strong opinion that we need to set a deadline to return home from abroad. The bandaid effect of slowly allowing people to return is crazy.

There’s military capability to set final flights home from each country in the world. Return travellers “stuck” overseas should have an option to contact the embassy, sign up for a final return flight and be able to ship out. Otherwise, enjoy your travels and we hope the country you’re travelling in can manage the virus effectively.

I’ve got family and friends struggling to keep their businesses and jobs afloat because of this virus and I just find it astonishing that we are just continually letting this virus and its variants back in time and time again with the every possible chance of major breakouts and potential loss of life.

When is enough enough? Can anyone actually see an end to this without virtually complete border closure?

Every new breakout is a heavier burden on the economy and risk to everything we’ve all worked so hard to prevent.

I know it goes against popular opinion but I am not a fan of stopping Australians from returning home.

Is it stopping them if they have a chance to return home but don’t?

Yes

I guess we’d have to disagree on that. If they’re provided with an opportunity to get a flight home, but take on the risk of staying and travelling that’s on them in my opinion.

I get why people feel like that and had times I have gone close to agreeing with you. The issue I have is that is not the Australia I am proud of, we look after each other even when we make mistakes. I don't believe in telling people they can not come home regardless of the mistakes they have made.

I can respect that. I’m just so frustrated by the constant return of lockdown and restrictions. It just seems so unnecessary.

Me and another 80 blokes were made redundant last year due to the situation in Victoria. I was lucky to find work straight away. The fact that people are still overseas on a holiday, only returning when it hits the fan in that country frustrates the life out of me.

I would never turn an Aussie away, don’t get me wrong, but if they willingly stay after a deadline then a line in the sand has to be drawn for the sake of our own economy, health and general safety.

Otherwise, and as I see occurring time and time again, until every single traveller has returned from overseas, there’s an imminent threat of another break out nationally. If we get it wrong once it’s here and luckily have avoided so far it could be catastrophic.

People aren't just on holiday. There's people overseas on employment and looking after family etc. I do understand the viewpoint that if people haven't come home already unless absolutely necessary (i.e. caring for family or employment,) then they run the risk. It is an absolutely reasonable view to hold.

That all being said however, I am of the view that Australians hold a small blue document that should entitle them to right of return at any time of their choosing. I am vehemently opposed to Australia closing it's doors to any Australian citizen.

As a footnote, I am sorry to hear you and you colleagues lost your jobs. It is good to hear you were able to find employment, I hope that your colleagues are as fortunate.

CB, there are people over there still on holiday. I’ve got mates still over there doing exactly that. I personally blame the government for not providing opportunities for a faster and safer way home.

If Australia all but is clear in a year and a single person comes back positive and gets into the public, we’re back at square one again.

People seem to forget that people in employment and caring after family here are still being put through the ringer time and time again because of the return travellers. They can’t pay their bills or feed their family with each lockdown that comes through. So it’s not just the people overseas working who are put out.

If the minority need to come back and find alternative employment then so be it. The job loss that occurs at each lockdown far outweighs the minority working overseas.

If people have to care for family well maybe they have to stay and ride it out in that country or find support systems in the respective country to care for the family.

I’m not trying to come across as heartless, please don’t take my comments the wrong way. I want the best for Aussies too. I look at it from the perspective of, would I be angry if a return traveller caused someone in my family to be sick, or potentially die, very much so. Is another’s employment or holiday more important then the lives we all care about? Absolutely not.

So in my opinion it becomes a black and white answer of get them home ASAP or lock them out until it’s over. It’s completely the individuals decision, but a harsh reality given the global situation.

I didn't say they weren't Aussies still on holiday, I said that the Aussies abroad weren't necessarily just there on holiday as in there are a myriad of reasons as to why Aussie citizens are overseas, travel being just one.

I don't think you comments are heartless at all. All you have said are fair points, and I have said previously it is a reasonable and understandable view to hold.

But, I will always have a problem with our government locking out citizens. When governments test stuff like this it starts off being in emergencies and then they slowly erode the "emergency" aspect and then extending scope.
 
Genuinely stunned the world isnt rising up about this. Actually could be crime of the century.

A drug exists that has been proven in double blind controlled trials to have equivalent or better preventative efficacy than the Pfizer vaccine and also a very effective treatment. This drug has over 50years of safety and testing with almost no side effects.

*"Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) has continually proved to be astonishingly safe for human use. Indeed, it is such a safe drug, with minimal side effects, that it can be administered by non-medical staff and even illiterate individuals in remote rural communities, provided that they have had some very basic, appropriate training."*

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/

It could literally end the pandemic but it is being actively suppressed. Currently being used with great effect in some states in India (Goa) and South America.

https://youtu.be/Tn_b4NRTB6k
 
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379236) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379233) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379097) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379095) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379090) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379069) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379007) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379005) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379001) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378986) said:
These outbreaks are going to just go on and on until they stop the planes.

I’ve got a pretty strong opinion that we need to set a deadline to return home from abroad. The bandaid effect of slowly allowing people to return is crazy.

There’s military capability to set final flights home from each country in the world. Return travellers “stuck” overseas should have an option to contact the embassy, sign up for a final return flight and be able to ship out. Otherwise, enjoy your travels and we hope the country you’re travelling in can manage the virus effectively.

I’ve got family and friends struggling to keep their businesses and jobs afloat because of this virus and I just find it astonishing that we are just continually letting this virus and its variants back in time and time again with the every possible chance of major breakouts and potential loss of life.

When is enough enough? Can anyone actually see an end to this without virtually complete border closure?

Every new breakout is a heavier burden on the economy and risk to everything we’ve all worked so hard to prevent.

I know it goes against popular opinion but I am not a fan of stopping Australians from returning home.

Is it stopping them if they have a chance to return home but don’t?

Yes

I guess we’d have to disagree on that. If they’re provided with an opportunity to get a flight home, but take on the risk of staying and travelling that’s on them in my opinion.

I get why people feel like that and had times I have gone close to agreeing with you. The issue I have is that is not the Australia I am proud of, we look after each other even when we make mistakes. I don't believe in telling people they can not come home regardless of the mistakes they have made.

I can respect that. I’m just so frustrated by the constant return of lockdown and restrictions. It just seems so unnecessary.

Me and another 80 blokes were made redundant last year due to the situation in Victoria. I was lucky to find work straight away. The fact that people are still overseas on a holiday, only returning when it hits the fan in that country frustrates the life out of me.

I would never turn an Aussie away, don’t get me wrong, but if they willingly stay after a deadline then a line in the sand has to be drawn for the sake of our own economy, health and general safety.

Otherwise, and as I see occurring time and time again, until every single traveller has returned from overseas, there’s an imminent threat of another break out nationally. If we get it wrong once it’s here and luckily have avoided so far it could be catastrophic.

People aren't just on holiday. There's people overseas on employment and looking after family etc. I do understand the viewpoint that if people haven't come home already unless absolutely necessary (i.e. caring for family or employment,) then they run the risk. It is an absolutely reasonable view to hold.

That all being said however, I am of the view that Australians hold a small blue document that should entitle them to right of return at any time of their choosing. I am vehemently opposed to Australia closing it's doors to any Australian citizen.

As a footnote, I am sorry to hear you and you colleagues lost your jobs. It is good to hear you were able to find employment, I hope that your colleagues are as fortunate.

CB, there are people over there still on holiday. I’ve got mates still over there doing exactly that. I personally blame the government for not providing opportunities for a faster and safer way home.

If Australia all but is clear in a year and a single person comes back positive and gets into the public, we’re back at square one again.

People seem to forget that people in employment and caring after family here are still being put through the ringer time and time again because of the return travellers. They can’t pay their bills or feed their family with each lockdown that comes through. So it’s not just the people overseas working who are put out.

If the minority need to come back and find alternative employment then so be it. The job loss that occurs at each lockdown far outweighs the minority working overseas.

If people have to care for family well maybe they have to stay and ride it out in that country or find support systems in the respective country to care for the family.

I’m not trying to come across as heartless, please don’t take my comments the wrong way. I want the best for Aussies too. I look at it from the perspective of, would I be angry if a return traveller caused someone in my family to be sick, or potentially die, very much so. Is another’s employment or holiday more important then the lives we all care about? Absolutely not.

So in my opinion it becomes a black and white answer of get them home ASAP or lock them out until it’s over. It’s completely the individuals decision, but a harsh reality given the global situation.

Yeah I can see that argument but it just goes against my belief that we shouldn't lock Australians out.

Goes against my belief that stupidity should be rewarded ...anyone who has left the country post Covid must understand the risks involved ...
 
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379252) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379236) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379233) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379097) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379095) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379090) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379069) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379007) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379005) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379001) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378986) said:
These outbreaks are going to just go on and on until they stop the planes.

I’ve got a pretty strong opinion that we need to set a deadline to return home from abroad. The bandaid effect of slowly allowing people to return is crazy.

There’s military capability to set final flights home from each country in the world. Return travellers “stuck” overseas should have an option to contact the embassy, sign up for a final return flight and be able to ship out. Otherwise, enjoy your travels and we hope the country you’re travelling in can manage the virus effectively.

I’ve got family and friends struggling to keep their businesses and jobs afloat because of this virus and I just find it astonishing that we are just continually letting this virus and its variants back in time and time again with the every possible chance of major breakouts and potential loss of life.

When is enough enough? Can anyone actually see an end to this without virtually complete border closure?

Every new breakout is a heavier burden on the economy and risk to everything we’ve all worked so hard to prevent.

I know it goes against popular opinion but I am not a fan of stopping Australians from returning home.

Is it stopping them if they have a chance to return home but don’t?

Yes

I guess we’d have to disagree on that. If they’re provided with an opportunity to get a flight home, but take on the risk of staying and travelling that’s on them in my opinion.

I get why people feel like that and had times I have gone close to agreeing with you. The issue I have is that is not the Australia I am proud of, we look after each other even when we make mistakes. I don't believe in telling people they can not come home regardless of the mistakes they have made.

I can respect that. I’m just so frustrated by the constant return of lockdown and restrictions. It just seems so unnecessary.

Me and another 80 blokes were made redundant last year due to the situation in Victoria. I was lucky to find work straight away. The fact that people are still overseas on a holiday, only returning when it hits the fan in that country frustrates the life out of me.

I would never turn an Aussie away, don’t get me wrong, but if they willingly stay after a deadline then a line in the sand has to be drawn for the sake of our own economy, health and general safety.

Otherwise, and as I see occurring time and time again, until every single traveller has returned from overseas, there’s an imminent threat of another break out nationally. If we get it wrong once it’s here and luckily have avoided so far it could be catastrophic.

People aren't just on holiday. There's people overseas on employment and looking after family etc. I do understand the viewpoint that if people haven't come home already unless absolutely necessary (i.e. caring for family or employment,) then they run the risk. It is an absolutely reasonable view to hold.

That all being said however, I am of the view that Australians hold a small blue document that should entitle them to right of return at any time of their choosing. I am vehemently opposed to Australia closing it's doors to any Australian citizen.

As a footnote, I am sorry to hear you and you colleagues lost your jobs. It is good to hear you were able to find employment, I hope that your colleagues are as fortunate.

CB, there are people over there still on holiday. I’ve got mates still over there doing exactly that. I personally blame the government for not providing opportunities for a faster and safer way home.

If Australia all but is clear in a year and a single person comes back positive and gets into the public, we’re back at square one again.

People seem to forget that people in employment and caring after family here are still being put through the ringer time and time again because of the return travellers. They can’t pay their bills or feed their family with each lockdown that comes through. So it’s not just the people overseas working who are put out.

If the minority need to come back and find alternative employment then so be it. The job loss that occurs at each lockdown far outweighs the minority working overseas.

If people have to care for family well maybe they have to stay and ride it out in that country or find support systems in the respective country to care for the family.

I’m not trying to come across as heartless, please don’t take my comments the wrong way. I want the best for Aussies too. I look at it from the perspective of, would I be angry if a return traveller caused someone in my family to be sick, or potentially die, very much so. Is another’s employment or holiday more important then the lives we all care about? Absolutely not.

So in my opinion it becomes a black and white answer of get them home ASAP or lock them out until it’s over. It’s completely the individuals decision, but a harsh reality given the global situation.

Yeah I can see that argument but it just goes against my belief that we shouldn't lock Australians out.

Goes against my belief that stupidity should be rewarded ...anyone who has left the country post Covid must understand the risks involved ...

I have no problem with that stance mate
 
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379261) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379252) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379236) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379233) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379097) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379095) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379090) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379069) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379007) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379005) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379001) said:
@tigertye said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378986) said:
These outbreaks are going to just go on and on until they stop the planes.

I’ve got a pretty strong opinion that we need to set a deadline to return home from abroad. The bandaid effect of slowly allowing people to return is crazy.

There’s military capability to set final flights home from each country in the world. Return travellers “stuck” overseas should have an option to contact the embassy, sign up for a final return flight and be able to ship out. Otherwise, enjoy your travels and we hope the country you’re travelling in can manage the virus effectively.

I’ve got family and friends struggling to keep their businesses and jobs afloat because of this virus and I just find it astonishing that we are just continually letting this virus and its variants back in time and time again with the every possible chance of major breakouts and potential loss of life.

When is enough enough? Can anyone actually see an end to this without virtually complete border closure?

Every new breakout is a heavier burden on the economy and risk to everything we’ve all worked so hard to prevent.

I know it goes against popular opinion but I am not a fan of stopping Australians from returning home.

Is it stopping them if they have a chance to return home but don’t?

Yes

I guess we’d have to disagree on that. If they’re provided with an opportunity to get a flight home, but take on the risk of staying and travelling that’s on them in my opinion.

I get why people feel like that and had times I have gone close to agreeing with you. The issue I have is that is not the Australia I am proud of, we look after each other even when we make mistakes. I don't believe in telling people they can not come home regardless of the mistakes they have made.

I can respect that. I’m just so frustrated by the constant return of lockdown and restrictions. It just seems so unnecessary.

Me and another 80 blokes were made redundant last year due to the situation in Victoria. I was lucky to find work straight away. The fact that people are still overseas on a holiday, only returning when it hits the fan in that country frustrates the life out of me.

I would never turn an Aussie away, don’t get me wrong, but if they willingly stay after a deadline then a line in the sand has to be drawn for the sake of our own economy, health and general safety.

Otherwise, and as I see occurring time and time again, until every single traveller has returned from overseas, there’s an imminent threat of another break out nationally. If we get it wrong once it’s here and luckily have avoided so far it could be catastrophic.

People aren't just on holiday. There's people overseas on employment and looking after family etc. I do understand the viewpoint that if people haven't come home already unless absolutely necessary (i.e. caring for family or employment,) then they run the risk. It is an absolutely reasonable view to hold.

That all being said however, I am of the view that Australians hold a small blue document that should entitle them to right of return at any time of their choosing. I am vehemently opposed to Australia closing it's doors to any Australian citizen.

As a footnote, I am sorry to hear you and you colleagues lost your jobs. It is good to hear you were able to find employment, I hope that your colleagues are as fortunate.

CB, there are people over there still on holiday. I’ve got mates still over there doing exactly that. I personally blame the government for not providing opportunities for a faster and safer way home.

If Australia all but is clear in a year and a single person comes back positive and gets into the public, we’re back at square one again.

People seem to forget that people in employment and caring after family here are still being put through the ringer time and time again because of the return travellers. They can’t pay their bills or feed their family with each lockdown that comes through. So it’s not just the people overseas working who are put out.

If the minority need to come back and find alternative employment then so be it. The job loss that occurs at each lockdown far outweighs the minority working overseas.

If people have to care for family well maybe they have to stay and ride it out in that country or find support systems in the respective country to care for the family.

I’m not trying to come across as heartless, please don’t take my comments the wrong way. I want the best for Aussies too. I look at it from the perspective of, would I be angry if a return traveller caused someone in my family to be sick, or potentially die, very much so. Is another’s employment or holiday more important then the lives we all care about? Absolutely not.

So in my opinion it becomes a black and white answer of get them home ASAP or lock them out until it’s over. It’s completely the individuals decision, but a harsh reality given the global situation.

Yeah I can see that argument but it just goes against my belief that we shouldn't lock Australians out.

Goes against my belief that stupidity should be rewarded ...anyone who has left the country post Covid must understand the risks involved ...

I have no problem with that stance mate

If they have done 2 weeks and tested negative pre and post leaving prior country and then do 2 weeks in quarantine
in Australia bring them back ....as long as it is at their own cost ..and that would be as far as I'd extend it
 
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379250) said:
Genuinely stunned the world isnt rising up about this. Actually could be crime of the century.

A drug exists that has been proven in double blind controlled trials to have equivalent or better preventative efficacy than the Pfizer vaccine and also a very effective treatment. This drug has over 50years of safety and testing with almost no side effects.

*"Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) has continually proved to be astonishingly safe for human use. Indeed, it is such a safe drug, with minimal side effects, that it can be administered by non-medical staff and even illiterate individuals in remote rural communities, provided that they have had some very basic, appropriate training."*

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/

It could literally end the pandemic but it is being actively suppressed. Currently being used with great effect in some states in India (Goa) and South America.

https://youtu.be/Tn_b4NRTB6k

What's to be gained by not using it? Out of patent therefore worth nothing to the drug companies?
 
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378922) said:
@tigger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378914) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378870) said:
@tiger-tragic said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378865) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378827) said:
@tiger-tragic said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378825) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378805) said:
I think some authorities in VIC are telling porkies to justify the VIC lockdown. New form of Covid transmission, oh really.

How about you justify your opinion that authorities are telling lies?

Why? Do you think anything is unique in VIC and that there is a new form of transmission or that the incubation time is now less than one day? Because that’s what the VIC govt is saying. I say porkies.

Sure, ok. Yeh. Fine. That's your interpretation. But, why would they be "telling porkies"? How about you give your interpretation of that?

Not telling the truth to justify their actions. ie look how bad this is we had to lock down. It’s different, incubation less than a day, now supposed new form of transmission. Not we stuffed up again, that’s why we have to lock down.

They are saying that it is the Indian variant which is more infectious than other variants.

We know for certain that it is the Indian variant. I thought that it was broadly accepted that that variant was more highly than previous variants such as the Wuhan and British ones.

They are saying much more than that. The VIC institutions have failed Victorians once again.

Anyway stay safe champ.

These cases came from a South Australian quarantine hotel case.

They always come from an inadequate quarantine system, one that should have been attended to and fixed by the end of last year at the latest.
 
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379274) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378922) said:
@tigger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378914) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378870) said:
@tiger-tragic said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378865) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378827) said:
@tiger-tragic said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378825) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378805) said:
I think some authorities in VIC are telling porkies to justify the VIC lockdown. New form of Covid transmission, oh really.

How about you justify your opinion that authorities are telling lies?

Why? Do you think anything is unique in VIC and that there is a new form of transmission or that the incubation time is now less than one day? Because that’s what the VIC govt is saying. I say porkies.

Sure, ok. Yeh. Fine. That's your interpretation. But, why would they be "telling porkies"? How about you give your interpretation of that?

Not telling the truth to justify their actions. ie look how bad this is we had to lock down. It’s different, incubation less than a day, now supposed new form of transmission. Not we stuffed up again, that’s why we have to lock down.

They are saying that it is the Indian variant which is more infectious than other variants.

We know for certain that it is the Indian variant. I thought that it was broadly accepted that that variant was more highly than previous variants such as the Wuhan and British ones.

They are saying much more than that. The VIC institutions have failed Victorians once again.

Anyway stay safe champ.

These cases came from a South Australian quarantine hotel case.

They always come from an inadequate quarantine system, one that should have been attended to and fixed by the end of last year at the latest.

Yes, but it's not a race.
 
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379250) said:
Genuinely stunned the world isnt rising up about this. Actually could be crime of the century.

A drug exists that has been proven in double blind controlled trials to have equivalent or better preventative efficacy than the Pfizer vaccine and also a very effective treatment. This drug has over 50years of safety and testing with almost no side effects.

*"Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) has continually proved to be astonishingly safe for human use. Indeed, it is such a safe drug, with minimal side effects, that it can be administered by non-medical staff and even illiterate individuals in remote rural communities, provided that they have had some very basic, appropriate training."*

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/

It could literally end the pandemic but it is being actively suppressed. Currently being used with great effect in some states in India (Goa) and South America.

https://youtu.be/Tn_b4NRTB6k

Yes well that would be ironic if the "crime of the century" were something that does not seem to involve a crime at all...

From what I've read the effectiveness of it as revealed by studies is far from clear: some suggest it is effective and others suggest it is not. The quality of the evidence in the studies is also highly variable.

It seems fairly clear that it is safe to use, but far less clear that it is actually effective in treating/preventing contraction of COVID-19. If people go taking it as a substitute for a vaccine and it turns out that it is **not** effective then that's going to be pretty dangerous for them.
 
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379275) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379274) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378922) said:
@tigger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378914) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378870) said:
@tiger-tragic said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378865) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378827) said:
@tiger-tragic said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378825) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378805) said:
I think some authorities in VIC are telling porkies to justify the VIC lockdown. New form of Covid transmission, oh really.

How about you justify your opinion that authorities are telling lies?

Why? Do you think anything is unique in VIC and that there is a new form of transmission or that the incubation time is now less than one day? Because that’s what the VIC govt is saying. I say porkies.

Sure, ok. Yeh. Fine. That's your interpretation. But, why would they be "telling porkies"? How about you give your interpretation of that?

Not telling the truth to justify their actions. ie look how bad this is we had to lock down. It’s different, incubation less than a day, now supposed new form of transmission. Not we stuffed up again, that’s why we have to lock down.

They are saying that it is the Indian variant which is more infectious than other variants.

We know for certain that it is the Indian variant. I thought that it was broadly accepted that that variant was more highly than previous variants such as the Wuhan and British ones.

They are saying much more than that. The VIC institutions have failed Victorians once again.

Anyway stay safe champ.

These cases came from a South Australian quarantine hotel case.

They always come from an inadequate quarantine system, one that should have been attended to and fixed by the end of last year at the latest.

Yes, but it's not a race.


Just as well because our horse with the rotund jockey has barely staggered out of the barrier and is giving 3 furlongs to the rest of the field
 
Well I'm hoping that Covid clears up in Melbourne before June the 19th.

Flying down to see a mate in Melbourne and watching the mighty Tigers trashhhh the Storm on the weekend!

Pray for me mates! I haven't watched a live game since 2010!
 
@jadtiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379283) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379275) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379274) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378922) said:
@tigger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378914) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378870) said:
@tiger-tragic said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378865) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378827) said:
@tiger-tragic said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378825) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1378805) said:
I think some authorities in VIC are telling porkies to justify the VIC lockdown. New form of Covid transmission, oh really.

How about you justify your opinion that authorities are telling lies?

Why? Do you think anything is unique in VIC and that there is a new form of transmission or that the incubation time is now less than one day? Because that’s what the VIC govt is saying. I say porkies.

Sure, ok. Yeh. Fine. That's your interpretation. But, why would they be "telling porkies"? How about you give your interpretation of that?

Not telling the truth to justify their actions. ie look how bad this is we had to lock down. It’s different, incubation less than a day, now supposed new form of transmission. Not we stuffed up again, that’s why we have to lock down.

They are saying that it is the Indian variant which is more infectious than other variants.

We know for certain that it is the Indian variant. I thought that it was broadly accepted that that variant was more highly than previous variants such as the Wuhan and British ones.

They are saying much more than that. The VIC institutions have failed Victorians once again.

Anyway stay safe champ.

These cases came from a South Australian quarantine hotel case.

They always come from an inadequate quarantine system, one that should have been attended to and fixed by the end of last year at the latest.

Yes, but it's not a race.


Just as well because our horse with the rotund jockey has barely staggered out of the barrier and is giving 3 furlongs to the rest of the field

in a 800 m Class 6 Maiden Barrier Trial
 
@djg-tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1379285) said:
Well I'm hoping that Covid clears up in Melbourne before June the 19th.

Flying down to see a mate in Melbourne and watching the mighty Tigers trashhhh the Storm on the weekend!

Pray for me mates! I haven't watched a live game since 2010!

I had sorted our flight times and was about to check the NRL ticket once more to see if the had opened up sales as yet, then the cases started to trickle in.

As soon as I was hearing that it was the Kappa variant from a South Australia hotel, it was obvious that a lockdown was going to be necessary. Will see what happens next week and re-evaluate things then, but haven't given up yet.

Edit; Having only been to the old ground more than a decade ago, still hoping to fill some seats in the current stadium in a fortnight or so.
 
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