Coronavirus Outbreak

[weststigers]

I think the panic is more due to the economic impact this will have on many people.

People are also preparing for the real possibility that they'll be at home for extended periods under enforced lockdown.

Italy is an example of this.

Just an anecdote so some can get an idea of the true difficulty facing many people in Australia:

Small/Medium business owners are scared that everything has ground to a halt so quickly. As someone whose customers are mainly SME's, I can tell you that many people can't sustain months on end of low sales figures. Many of my clients are only thinking about how they can stock up on food and necessities now in case there's not enough money to do so in 2,3 or 4 months time.

On a personal level, this is killing my business already. I will not be a recipient of any stimulus either. We haven't even scratched the surface of the damage this will cause to people and through the economy.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Just think in our youth the best thing you could do with excess dunny rolls was toilet paper's someone's house..generally a Manly supporter..

Well done @pawsandclaws1 ..nice work

Thanks Geo. Older people have no chance of buying some of the basics and other shoppers were ready to assist.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

What is going on? Our local Coles at Caringbah has no paper toweling, no flour and very few 2 minute noodles. These morons who are panic buying ensure others are deprived of their fair share. I felt compassion for this old lady at the Coles checkout distressed because all the grubs had taken the toilet paper. In the end, we delivered some rolls from home to help her.

Respect mate... Some humanity in a sea of greed... Well done

I saw a woman in a motorised wheelchair looking helpless in the empty toilet roll aisle... Very sad

Thanks Ink,. Older citizens are also the most vulnerable in terms of catching the disease.

 

[happy_tiger]

Hudson Odoi from Chelsea FC tests positive

EPL have to stop the comp now

Don't worry about stopping the comp old mate 1 case of coronavirus tested positive in Kingaroy and Rockhampton ….its sneaking up on you pal...get ready to self isolate...

Here where Iam in NSW Southern Highlands apparently 7 people have been tested based on Hospital info,,,,not sure of outcome yet....

Yeah I mentioned that yesterday TT , haven't heard of any cases in NQ yet

 

[Tim Sheens]

There are some simple things that HK does, like plastic film over lift buttons, so that it’s easy to sanitise.

I didn't realise lift buttons were difficult to sanitise? Why can't you just wipe them with disinfectant?

Things start to go overboard in this regard, I mean lift buttons? What about every other public surface in existence, are folks going to walk around opening things with a foot press or elbow or wave at a scanner, just to avoid germs?

Sure as hell don't touch money if germs are a problem, also don't talk to anyone, or shake hands - no no, that's instant transferal. We can all then add to the immuno-weaknesses that already might exist because some mums excessively disinfect their house and kids don't get a proper dose of bugs in their childhood.

This mentality is why Australia isn't going to do well through this.

The "Yeah, nah, she'll be right". Will make you tougher kind of response. Bud, that's why there will be a vaccination eventually built to ensure our immune systems can cope.

I mean, where do you draw the line? Would SARS landing in Australia mean that we start doing some smart things? Ebola?

High-touch surfaces such as lift buttons, public toilet doors (keep them open) all helps. You could label it soft. Label it an overreaction. But I would prefer to go with facts rather than a uncorrelated assumption about cleanliness causing auto-immune issues. Sounds all a bit anti-vax!

It is an over reaction though . Running around like chicken little is mental . Even at its worse it is only affecting a small percentage of the population. Kids are immune , relatively young people will experience mild symptoms, even the over 65s have a small percentage of the total population affected.
Cleary your hands , follow basic hygiene and she will be right . And if you have a preexisting respiratory or heart problem , than yea be more diligent . Otherwise it’s business as usual .

Yep. Business as usual.

My point was valid at the time based on the information at the time. Authorities are erring on the side of caution. Everything I said was true though . If you’re relatively healthy it’s equivalent to a mild flu or a strong cold . Going mental over toilet paper is embarrassing.

um, no it wasn't valid. You had a dig when I suggested measures around high touch surfaces. Hong Kong and Singapore have learned from these scenarios. Labeling those things they are doing as an overreaction shows how messed up were going to be.

yes, toilet paper is an overreaction. That's not what we were talking about though.

Mate you’re delusional! I literally said in that reply to follow all basic hygiene and you’ll be right . I was ? referring to the mass panic out there . which IS an Over reaction .
Even the biggest panic merchant experts , Are all saying for 99% of the population it’s no harsher than a mild flu.
Everyone needs to calm the hell down , follow basic hygiene( there I said it again just for you ) , and if you’re in the small minority who are most at risk , take due care.
You’re carrying on !

Basic hygiene and staying calm are both good suggestions. But, covid is not the same as the seasonal flu.

The death rate is 3.5% vs 0.1% in the seasonal flu. In over 80s it's about 15%.

It's twice as infectious.

But what's really different about it is the number of people that end up in hospital.

Nobody knows why, but 40-50% of serious cases where people end up in hospital on a ventilator are under 50s.

This is exactly what's happening in Italy at the moment. The hospitals are so full that doctors have been told to adopt wartime triage measures (i.e decide who they're going to let die).

Very relevant and particularly your ultimate sentence, as to how it also affects those outside those most vulnerable to the virus itself.

One of the main reasons for the strict measures aimed at reducing a very large peak, is the flow on effects to an already almost at capacity hospital system if not mitigated, as the death rate amongst other regular and emergency patients, along with those infected also skyrockets in a multiple measure.

 

[happy_tiger]

What is going on? Our local Coles at Caringbah has no paper toweling, no flour and very few 2 minute noodles. These morons who are panic buying ensure others are deprived of their fair share. I felt compassion for this old lady at the Coles checkout distressed because all the grubs had taken the toilet paper. In the end, we delivered some rolls from home to help her.

Respect mate... Some humanity in a sea of greed... Well done

I saw a woman in a motorised wheelchair looking helpless in the empty toilet roll aisle... Very sad

Thanks Ink,. Older citizens are also the most vulnerable in terms of catching the disease.

Anyone can catch it ......how it effects people is the difference

 

[Deleted member 3518]

There are some simple things that HK does, like plastic film over lift buttons, so that it’s easy to sanitise.

I didn't realise lift buttons were difficult to sanitise? Why can't you just wipe them with disinfectant?

Things start to go overboard in this regard, I mean lift buttons? What about every other public surface in existence, are folks going to walk around opening things with a foot press or elbow or wave at a scanner, just to avoid germs?

Sure as hell don't touch money if germs are a problem, also don't talk to anyone, or shake hands - no no, that's instant transferal. We can all then add to the immuno-weaknesses that already might exist because some mums excessively disinfect their house and kids don't get a proper dose of bugs in their childhood.

This mentality is why Australia isn't going to do well through this.

The "Yeah, nah, she'll be right". Will make you tougher kind of response. Bud, that's why there will be a vaccination eventually built to ensure our immune systems can cope.

I mean, where do you draw the line? Would SARS landing in Australia mean that we start doing some smart things? Ebola?

High-touch surfaces such as lift buttons, public toilet doors (keep them open) all helps. You could label it soft. Label it an overreaction. But I would prefer to go with facts rather than a uncorrelated assumption about cleanliness causing auto-immune issues. Sounds all a bit anti-vax!

It is an over reaction though . Running around like chicken little is mental . Even at its worse it is only affecting a small percentage of the population. Kids are immune , relatively young people will experience mild symptoms, even the over 65s have a small percentage of the total population affected.
Cleary your hands , follow basic hygiene and she will be right . And if you have a preexisting respiratory or heart problem , than yea be more diligent . Otherwise it’s business as usual .

Yep. Business as usual.

My point was valid at the time based on the information at the time. Authorities are erring on the side of caution. Everything I said was true though . If you’re relatively healthy it’s equivalent to a mild flu or a strong cold . Going mental over toilet paper is embarrassing.

um, no it wasn't valid. You had a dig when I suggested measures around high touch surfaces. Hong Kong and Singapore have learned from these scenarios. Labeling those things they are doing as an overreaction shows how messed up were going to be.

yes, toilet paper is an overreaction. That's not what we were talking about though.

Mate you’re delusional! I literally said in that reply to follow all basic hygiene and you’ll be right . I was ? referring to the mass panic out there . which IS an Over reaction .
Even the biggest panic merchant experts , Are all saying for 99% of the population it’s no harsher than a mild flu.
Everyone needs to calm the hell down , follow basic hygiene( there I said it again just for you ) , and if you’re in the small minority who are most at risk , take due care.
You’re carrying on !

Basic hygiene and staying calm are both good suggestions. But, covid is not the same as the seasonal flu.

The death rate is 3.5% vs 0.1% in the seasonal flu. In over 80s it's about 15%.

It's twice as infectious.

But what's really different about it is the number of people that end up in hospital.

Nobody knows why, but 40-50% of serious cases where people end up in hospital on a ventilator are under 50s.

This is exactly what's happening in Italy at the moment. The hospitals are so full that doctors have been told to adopt wartime triage measures (i.e decide who they're going to let die).

3.5% of reported cases mate . That’s 8k world wide . And a large chunk of that is from China. And as it has been stated by infinite experts now , most people won’t even notice they have it . They will think it’s a bad cold . Whereas a flu is a flu And you’ll more likely report it , so the statistics are more accurate .
War time triage ? That’s not how triage in a war zone works mate. And what medication are they having for under 50s . IV drip ? Antibiotics don’t work on viruses. I get your point but , there’s so many variables that lead to that decision . Quarantine ? Being the biggest one . Doesn’t mean they’re on Their death bed , just means they’re taking up a bed because they’re in the incubation period . They’re not “picking who’s going to die mate” they’d be picking who actually needs care , or who is just infectious. They’re still doctors and nurses , they still have a Hippocratic oath.

 

[happy_tiger]

This is what really poos me

We can't go watch our footy side play ...but we are OK to go and vote

Hypocrites much ....
http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/virus-wont-stop-queensland-elections/ar-BB11a90h?ocid=ientp

 

[weststigers]

There are some simple things that HK does, like plastic film over lift buttons, so that it’s easy to sanitise.

I didn't realise lift buttons were difficult to sanitise? Why can't you just wipe them with disinfectant?

Things start to go overboard in this regard, I mean lift buttons? What about every other public surface in existence, are folks going to walk around opening things with a foot press or elbow or wave at a scanner, just to avoid germs?

Sure as hell don't touch money if germs are a problem, also don't talk to anyone, or shake hands - no no, that's instant transferal. We can all then add to the immuno-weaknesses that already might exist because some mums excessively disinfect their house and kids don't get a proper dose of bugs in their childhood.

This mentality is why Australia isn't going to do well through this.

The "Yeah, nah, she'll be right". Will make you tougher kind of response. Bud, that's why there will be a vaccination eventually built to ensure our immune systems can cope.

I mean, where do you draw the line? Would SARS landing in Australia mean that we start doing some smart things? Ebola?

High-touch surfaces such as lift buttons, public toilet doors (keep them open) all helps. You could label it soft. Label it an overreaction. But I would prefer to go with facts rather than a uncorrelated assumption about cleanliness causing auto-immune issues. Sounds all a bit anti-vax!

It is an over reaction though . Running around like chicken little is mental . Even at its worse it is only affecting a small percentage of the population. Kids are immune , relatively young people will experience mild symptoms, even the over 65s have a small percentage of the total population affected.
Cleary your hands , follow basic hygiene and she will be right . And if you have a preexisting respiratory or heart problem , than yea be more diligent . Otherwise it’s business as usual .

Yep. Business as usual.

My point was valid at the time based on the information at the time. Authorities are erring on the side of caution. Everything I said was true though . If you’re relatively healthy it’s equivalent to a mild flu or a strong cold . Going mental over toilet paper is embarrassing.

um, no it wasn't valid. You had a dig when I suggested measures around high touch surfaces. Hong Kong and Singapore have learned from these scenarios. Labeling those things they are doing as an overreaction shows how messed up were going to be.

yes, toilet paper is an overreaction. That's not what we were talking about though.

Mate you’re delusional! I literally said in that reply to follow all basic hygiene and you’ll be right . I was ? referring to the mass panic out there . which IS an Over reaction .
Even the biggest panic merchant experts , Are all saying for 99% of the population it’s no harsher than a mild flu.
Everyone needs to calm the hell down , follow basic hygiene( there I said it again just for you ) , and if you’re in the small minority who are most at risk , take due care.
You’re carrying on !

Basic hygiene and staying calm are both good suggestions. But, covid is not the same as the seasonal flu.

The death rate is 3.5% vs 0.1% in the seasonal flu. In over 80s it's about 15%.

It's twice as infectious.

But what's really different about it is the number of people that end up in hospital.

Nobody knows why, but 40-50% of serious cases where people end up in hospital on a ventilator are under 50s.

This is exactly what's happening in Italy at the moment. The hospitals are so full that doctors have been told to adopt wartime triage measures (i.e decide who they're going to let die).

3.5% of reported cases mate . That’s 8k world wide . And a large chunk of that is from China. And as it has been stated by infinite experts now , most people won’t even notice they have it . They will think it’s a bad cold . Whereas a flu is a flu And you’ll more likely report it , so the statistics are more accurate .
War time triage ? That’s not how triage in a war zone works mate. And what medication are they having for under 50s . IV drip ? Antibiotics don’t work on viruses. I get your point but , there’s so many variables that lead to that decision . Quarantine ? Being the biggest one . Doesn’t mean they’re on Their death bed , just means they’re taking up a bed because they’re in the incubation period . They’re not “picking who’s going to die mate” they’d be picking who actually needs care , or who is just infectious. They’re still doctors and nurses , they still have a Hippocratic oath.

Have you seen the scenes in China when the hospitals were overloaded? Literally, they were picking who was going to get a bed and who wasn't...just the overload on the system caused many deaths unnecessarily.

When the beds are full, that means EVERYONE has to do without care for all types of illness and injury.

2 weeks ago it was inconceivable to think that there'd be no toilet paper on the shelves, or that we'd be playing sport in empty stadiums or that Italy would lock down their entire country.

Imagine what it would be like if there are not enough hospital beds and doctors/nurses to provide the care that you might need. Not enough medical supplies to go around because every country in the world is doing a Coles style bulk buy on medical supplies.

Do you think the Hippocratic Oath gets consulted when patients are flying in from everywhere? Hell, they make mistakes now without the pressure of a pandemic to deal with.

You seem to think that extremes aren't possible, but if the last 2 weeks is anything to go by, things can go from calm to disaster in a very short period of time. Keep calm by all means, but keeping calm and being cavalier are 2 entirely different things.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

There are some simple things that HK does, like plastic film over lift buttons, so that it’s easy to sanitise.

I didn't realise lift buttons were difficult to sanitise? Why can't you just wipe them with disinfectant?

Things start to go overboard in this regard, I mean lift buttons? What about every other public surface in existence, are folks going to walk around opening things with a foot press or elbow or wave at a scanner, just to avoid germs?

Sure as hell don't touch money if germs are a problem, also don't talk to anyone, or shake hands - no no, that's instant transferal. We can all then add to the immuno-weaknesses that already might exist because some mums excessively disinfect their house and kids don't get a proper dose of bugs in their childhood.

This mentality is why Australia isn't going to do well through this.

The "Yeah, nah, she'll be right". Will make you tougher kind of response. Bud, that's why there will be a vaccination eventually built to ensure our immune systems can cope.

I mean, where do you draw the line? Would SARS landing in Australia mean that we start doing some smart things? Ebola?

High-touch surfaces such as lift buttons, public toilet doors (keep them open) all helps. You could label it soft. Label it an overreaction. But I would prefer to go with facts rather than a uncorrelated assumption about cleanliness causing auto-immune issues. Sounds all a bit anti-vax!

It is an over reaction though . Running around like chicken little is mental . Even at its worse it is only affecting a small percentage of the population. Kids are immune , relatively young people will experience mild symptoms, even the over 65s have a small percentage of the total population affected.
Cleary your hands , follow basic hygiene and she will be right . And if you have a preexisting respiratory or heart problem , than yea be more diligent . Otherwise it’s business as usual .

Yep. Business as usual.

My point was valid at the time based on the information at the time. Authorities are erring on the side of caution. Everything I said was true though . If you’re relatively healthy it’s equivalent to a mild flu or a strong cold . Going mental over toilet paper is embarrassing.

um, no it wasn't valid. You had a dig when I suggested measures around high touch surfaces. Hong Kong and Singapore have learned from these scenarios. Labeling those things they are doing as an overreaction shows how messed up were going to be.

yes, toilet paper is an overreaction. That's not what we were talking about though.

Mate you’re delusional! I literally said in that reply to follow all basic hygiene and you’ll be right . I was ? referring to the mass panic out there . which IS an Over reaction .
Even the biggest panic merchant experts , Are all saying for 99% of the population it’s no harsher than a mild flu.
Everyone needs to calm the hell down , follow basic hygiene( there I said it again just for you ) , and if you’re in the small minority who are most at risk , take due care.
You’re carrying on !

Basic hygiene and staying calm are both good suggestions. But, covid is not the same as the seasonal flu.

The death rate is 3.5% vs 0.1% in the seasonal flu. In over 80s it's about 15%.

It's twice as infectious.

But what's really different about it is the number of people that end up in hospital.

Nobody knows why, but 40-50% of serious cases where people end up in hospital on a ventilator are under 50s.

This is exactly what's happening in Italy at the moment. The hospitals are so full that doctors have been told to adopt wartime triage measures (i.e decide who they're going to let die).

3.5% of reported cases mate . That’s 8k world wide . And a large chunk of that is from China. And as it has been stated by infinite experts now , most people won’t even notice they have it . They will think it’s a bad cold . Whereas a flu is a flu And you’ll more likely report it , so the statistics are more accurate .
War time triage ? That’s not how triage in a war zone works mate. And what medication are they having for under 50s . IV drip ? Antibiotics don’t work on viruses. I get your point but , there’s so many variables that lead to that decision . Quarantine ? Being the biggest one . Doesn’t mean they’re on Their death bed , just means they’re taking up a bed because they’re in the incubation period . They’re not “picking who’s going to die mate” they’d be picking who actually needs care , or who is just infectious. They’re still doctors and nurses , they still have a Hippocratic oath.

Have you seen the scenes in China when the hospitals were overloaded? Literally, they were picking who was going to get a bed and who wasn't...just the overload on the system caused many deaths unnecessarily.

When the beds are full, that means EVERYONE has to do without care for all types of illness and injury.

2 weeks ago it was inconceivable to think that there'd be no toilet paper on the shelves, or that we'd be playing sport in empty stadiums or that Italy would lock down their entire country.

Imagine what it would be like if there are not enough hospital beds and doctors/nurses to provide the care that you might need. Not enough medical supplies to go around because every country in the world is doing a Coles style bulk buy on medical supplies.

Do you think the Hippocratic Oath gets consulted when patients are flying in from everywhere? Hell, they make mistakes now without the pressure of a pandemic to deal with.

>.

China was ground zero !!! And it has a humanitarian record , that Hittler would be proud of. And the reason is , everyone panicked and decided they needed the max amount of care available, so piled into the hospitals. How many , could have been treated at home ? How were the resources used ?
I’m over this conversation. The people like you and @happytiger who refuse to actually read what I’m saying , and keep saying the same things over and over
“You seem to think that extremes aren't possible, but if the last 2 weeks is anything to go by, things can go from calm to disaster in a very short period of time. Keep calm by all means, but keeping calm and being cavalier are 2 entirely different things”.
I literally said the Exact opposite . you can be relaxed whilst staying vigilant. If you want to be a drama queen , and carry on like the sky is falling all good , but I’d hate to see you when the crap actually hits the fan .
How many times do I have to repeat myself .

 

[weststigers]

There are some simple things that HK does, like plastic film over lift buttons, so that it’s easy to sanitise.

I didn't realise lift buttons were difficult to sanitise? Why can't you just wipe them with disinfectant?

Things start to go overboard in this regard, I mean lift buttons? What about every other public surface in existence, are folks going to walk around opening things with a foot press or elbow or wave at a scanner, just to avoid germs?

Sure as hell don't touch money if germs are a problem, also don't talk to anyone, or shake hands - no no, that's instant transferal. We can all then add to the immuno-weaknesses that already might exist because some mums excessively disinfect their house and kids don't get a proper dose of bugs in their childhood.

This mentality is why Australia isn't going to do well through this.

The "Yeah, nah, she'll be right". Will make you tougher kind of response. Bud, that's why there will be a vaccination eventually built to ensure our immune systems can cope.

I mean, where do you draw the line? Would SARS landing in Australia mean that we start doing some smart things? Ebola?

High-touch surfaces such as lift buttons, public toilet doors (keep them open) all helps. You could label it soft. Label it an overreaction. But I would prefer to go with facts rather than a uncorrelated assumption about cleanliness causing auto-immune issues. Sounds all a bit anti-vax!

It is an over reaction though . Running around like chicken little is mental . Even at its worse it is only affecting a small percentage of the population. Kids are immune , relatively young people will experience mild symptoms, even the over 65s have a small percentage of the total population affected.
Cleary your hands , follow basic hygiene and she will be right . And if you have a preexisting respiratory or heart problem , than yea be more diligent . Otherwise it’s business as usual .

Yep. Business as usual.

My point was valid at the time based on the information at the time. Authorities are erring on the side of caution. Everything I said was true though . If you’re relatively healthy it’s equivalent to a mild flu or a strong cold . Going mental over toilet paper is embarrassing.

um, no it wasn't valid. You had a dig when I suggested measures around high touch surfaces. Hong Kong and Singapore have learned from these scenarios. Labeling those things they are doing as an overreaction shows how messed up were going to be.

yes, toilet paper is an overreaction. That's not what we were talking about though.

Mate you’re delusional! I literally said in that reply to follow all basic hygiene and you’ll be right . I was ? referring to the mass panic out there . which IS an Over reaction .
Even the biggest panic merchant experts , Are all saying for 99% of the population it’s no harsher than a mild flu.
Everyone needs to calm the hell down , follow basic hygiene( there I said it again just for you ) , and if you’re in the small minority who are most at risk , take due care.
You’re carrying on !

Basic hygiene and staying calm are both good suggestions. But, covid is not the same as the seasonal flu.

The death rate is 3.5% vs 0.1% in the seasonal flu. In over 80s it's about 15%.

It's twice as infectious.

But what's really different about it is the number of people that end up in hospital.

Nobody knows why, but 40-50% of serious cases where people end up in hospital on a ventilator are under 50s.

This is exactly what's happening in Italy at the moment. The hospitals are so full that doctors have been told to adopt wartime triage measures (i.e decide who they're going to let die).

3.5% of reported cases mate . That’s 8k world wide . And a large chunk of that is from China. And as it has been stated by infinite experts now , most people won’t even notice they have it . They will think it’s a bad cold . Whereas a flu is a flu And you’ll more likely report it , so the statistics are more accurate .
War time triage ? That’s not how triage in a war zone works mate. And what medication are they having for under 50s . IV drip ? Antibiotics don’t work on viruses. I get your point but , there’s so many variables that lead to that decision . Quarantine ? Being the biggest one . Doesn’t mean they’re on Their death bed , just means they’re taking up a bed because they’re in the incubation period . They’re not “picking who’s going to die mate” they’d be picking who actually needs care , or who is just infectious. They’re still doctors and nurses , they still have a Hippocratic oath.

Have you seen the scenes in China when the hospitals were overloaded? Literally, they were picking who was going to get a bed and who wasn't...just the overload on the system caused many deaths unnecessarily.

When the beds are full, that means EVERYONE has to do without care for all types of illness and injury.

2 weeks ago it was inconceivable to think that there'd be no toilet paper on the shelves, or that we'd be playing sport in empty stadiums or that Italy would lock down their entire country.

Imagine what it would be like if there are not enough hospital beds and doctors/nurses to provide the care that you might need. Not enough medical supplies to go around because every country in the world is doing a Coles style bulk buy on medical supplies.

Do you think the Hippocratic Oath gets consulted when patients are flying in from everywhere? Hell, they make mistakes now without the pressure of a pandemic to deal with.

>.

China was ground zero !!! And it has a humanitarian record , that Hittler would be proud of. And the reason is , everyone panicked and decided they needed the max amount of care available, so piled into the hospitals. How many , could have been treated at home ? How were the resources used ?
I’m over this conversation. The people like you and @happytiger who refuse to actually read what I’m saying , and keep saying the same things over and over
“You seem to think that extremes aren't possible, but if the last 2 weeks is anything to go by, things can go from calm to disaster in a very short period of time. Keep calm by all means, but keeping calm and being cavalier are 2 entirely different things”.
I literally said the Exact opposite . you can be relaxed whilst staying vigilant. If you want to be a drama queen , and carry on like the sky is falling all good , but I’d hate to see you when the crap actually hits the fan .
How many times do I have to repeat myself .

Hmmm...I was referring to your comment to @Papacito when you doubted his point about "war-time triage". It's happening in Italy right now. No need to get your knickers in a knot.

See here: https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/italy-is-no-outlier-it-s-a-frontrunner-these-nations-are-set-to-follow-20200312-p5497r.html

Quoted from the article:

As COVID-19 spreads across the continent, other decisions of much greater consequence loom. Some are matters of actual life or death. Doctors in Italy this week published guidelines warning that patients over a certain age might have to be left to die so that scarce intensive care beds can be given to younger people with a better chance of survival.

*"Resources may have to be used first for those with a higher probability of survival and, secondly, who has the most years of life left, and offer the maximum number of benefits to the majority of people," the advice warned.*

Just relax.

 

[Papacito]

There are some simple things that HK does, like plastic film over lift buttons, so that it’s easy to sanitise.

I didn't realise lift buttons were difficult to sanitise? Why can't you just wipe them with disinfectant?

Things start to go overboard in this regard, I mean lift buttons? What about every other public surface in existence, are folks going to walk around opening things with a foot press or elbow or wave at a scanner, just to avoid germs?

Sure as hell don't touch money if germs are a problem, also don't talk to anyone, or shake hands - no no, that's instant transferal. We can all then add to the immuno-weaknesses that already might exist because some mums excessively disinfect their house and kids don't get a proper dose of bugs in their childhood.

This mentality is why Australia isn't going to do well through this.

The "Yeah, nah, she'll be right". Will make you tougher kind of response. Bud, that's why there will be a vaccination eventually built to ensure our immune systems can cope.

I mean, where do you draw the line? Would SARS landing in Australia mean that we start doing some smart things? Ebola?

High-touch surfaces such as lift buttons, public toilet doors (keep them open) all helps. You could label it soft. Label it an overreaction. But I would prefer to go with facts rather than a uncorrelated assumption about cleanliness causing auto-immune issues. Sounds all a bit anti-vax!

It is an over reaction though . Running around like chicken little is mental . Even at its worse it is only affecting a small percentage of the population. Kids are immune , relatively young people will experience mild symptoms, even the over 65s have a small percentage of the total population affected.
Cleary your hands , follow basic hygiene and she will be right . And if you have a preexisting respiratory or heart problem , than yea be more diligent . Otherwise it’s business as usual .

Yep. Business as usual.

My point was valid at the time based on the information at the time. Authorities are erring on the side of caution. Everything I said was true though . If you’re relatively healthy it’s equivalent to a mild flu or a strong cold . Going mental over toilet paper is embarrassing.

um, no it wasn't valid. You had a dig when I suggested measures around high touch surfaces. Hong Kong and Singapore have learned from these scenarios. Labeling those things they are doing as an overreaction shows how messed up were going to be.

yes, toilet paper is an overreaction. That's not what we were talking about though.

Mate you’re delusional! I literally said in that reply to follow all basic hygiene and you’ll be right . I was ? referring to the mass panic out there . which IS an Over reaction .
Even the biggest panic merchant experts , Are all saying for 99% of the population it’s no harsher than a mild flu.
Everyone needs to calm the hell down , follow basic hygiene( there I said it again just for you ) , and if you’re in the small minority who are most at risk , take due care.
You’re carrying on !

Basic hygiene and staying calm are both good suggestions. But, covid is not the same as the seasonal flu.

The death rate is 3.5% vs 0.1% in the seasonal flu. In over 80s it's about 15%.

It's twice as infectious.

But what's really different about it is the number of people that end up in hospital.

Nobody knows why, but 40-50% of serious cases where people end up in hospital on a ventilator are under 50s.

This is exactly what's happening in Italy at the moment. The hospitals are so full that doctors have been told to adopt wartime triage measures (i.e decide who they're going to let die).

3.5% of reported cases mate . That’s 8k world wide . And a large chunk of that is from China. And as it has been stated by infinite experts now , most people won’t even notice they have it . They will think it’s a bad cold . Whereas a flu is a flu And you’ll more likely report it , so the statistics are more accurate .
War time triage ? That’s not how triage in a war zone works mate. And what medication are they having for under 50s . IV drip ? Antibiotics don’t work on viruses. I get your point but , there’s so many variables that lead to that decision . Quarantine ? Being the biggest one . Doesn’t mean they’re on Their death bed , just means they’re taking up a bed because they’re in the incubation period . They’re not “picking who’s going to die mate” they’d be picking who actually needs care , or who is just infectious. They’re still doctors and nurses , they still have a Hippocratic oath.

The wartime-like triage measures and treatments in hospitals have been very widely reported.

It's a Google search away if you're genuinely interested.

 

[TrueTiger]

There are some simple things that HK does, like plastic film over lift buttons, so that it’s easy to sanitise.

I didn't realise lift buttons were difficult to sanitise? Why can't you just wipe them with disinfectant?

Things start to go overboard in this regard, I mean lift buttons? What about every other public surface in existence, are folks going to walk around opening things with a foot press or elbow or wave at a scanner, just to avoid germs?

Sure as hell don't touch money if germs are a problem, also don't talk to anyone, or shake hands - no no, that's instant transferal. We can all then add to the immuno-weaknesses that already might exist because some mums excessively disinfect their house and kids don't get a proper dose of bugs in their childhood.

This mentality is why Australia isn't going to do well through this.

The "Yeah, nah, she'll be right". Will make you tougher kind of response. Bud, that's why there will be a vaccination eventually built to ensure our immune systems can cope.

I mean, where do you draw the line? Would SARS landing in Australia mean that we start doing some smart things? Ebola?

High-touch surfaces such as lift buttons, public toilet doors (keep them open) all helps. You could label it soft. Label it an overreaction. But I would prefer to go with facts rather than a uncorrelated assumption about cleanliness causing auto-immune issues. Sounds all a bit anti-vax!

It is an over reaction though . Running around like chicken little is mental . Even at its worse it is only affecting a small percentage of the population. Kids are immune , relatively young people will experience mild symptoms, even the over 65s have a small percentage of the total population affected.
Cleary your hands , follow basic hygiene and she will be right . And if you have a preexisting respiratory or heart problem , than yea be more diligent . Otherwise it’s business as usual .

Yep. Business as usual.

My point was valid at the time based on the information at the time. Authorities are erring on the side of caution. Everything I said was true though . If you’re relatively healthy it’s equivalent to a mild flu or a strong cold . Going mental over toilet paper is embarrassing.

um, no it wasn't valid. You had a dig when I suggested measures around high touch surfaces. Hong Kong and Singapore have learned from these scenarios. Labeling those things they are doing as an overreaction shows how messed up were going to be.

yes, toilet paper is an overreaction. That's not what we were talking about though.

Mate you’re delusional! I literally said in that reply to follow all basic hygiene and you’ll be right . I was ? referring to the mass panic out there . which IS an Over reaction .
Even the biggest panic merchant experts , Are all saying for 99% of the population it’s no harsher than a mild flu.
Everyone needs to calm the hell down , follow basic hygiene( there I said it again just for you ) , and if you’re in the small minority who are most at risk , take due care.
You’re carrying on !

Basic hygiene and staying calm are both good suggestions. But, covid is not the same as the seasonal flu.

The death rate is 3.5% vs 0.1% in the seasonal flu. In over 80s it's about 15%.

It's twice as infectious.

But what's really different about it is the number of people that end up in hospital.

Nobody knows why, but 40-50% of serious cases where people end up in hospital on a ventilator are under 50s.

This is exactly what's happening in Italy at the moment. The hospitals are so full that doctors have been told to adopt wartime triage measures (i.e decide who they're going to let die).

3.5% of reported cases mate . That’s 8k world wide . And a large chunk of that is from China. And as it has been stated by infinite experts now , most people won’t even notice they have it . They will think it’s a bad cold . Whereas a flu is a flu And you’ll more likely report it , so the statistics are more accurate .
War time triage ? That’s not how triage in a war zone works mate. And what medication are they having for under 50s . IV drip ? Antibiotics don’t work on viruses. I get your point but , there’s so many variables that lead to that decision . Quarantine ? Being the biggest one . Doesn’t mean they’re on Their death bed , just means they’re taking up a bed because they’re in the incubation period . They’re not “picking who’s going to die mate” they’d be picking who actually needs care , or who is just infectious. They’re still doctors and nurses , they still have a Hippocratic oath.

Have you seen the scenes in China when the hospitals were overloaded? Literally, they were picking who was going to get a bed and who wasn't...just the overload on the system caused many deaths unnecessarily.

When the beds are full, that means EVERYONE has to do without care for all types of illness and injury.

2 weeks ago it was inconceivable to think that there'd be no toilet paper on the shelves, or that we'd be playing sport in empty stadiums or that Italy would lock down their entire country.

Imagine what it would be like if there are not enough hospital beds and doctors/nurses to provide the care that you might need. Not enough medical supplies to go around because every country in the world is doing a Coles style bulk buy on medical supplies.

Do you think the Hippocratic Oath gets consulted when patients are flying in from everywhere? Hell, they make mistakes now without the pressure of a pandemic to deal with.

>.

China was ground zero !!! And it has a humanitarian record , that Hittler would be proud of. And the reason is , everyone panicked and decided they needed the max amount of care available, so piled into the hospitals. How many , could have been treated at home ? How were the resources used ?
I’m over this conversation. The people like you and @happytiger who refuse to actually read what I’m saying , and keep saying the same things over and over
“You seem to think that extremes aren't possible, but if the last 2 weeks is anything to go by, things can go from calm to disaster in a very short period of time. Keep calm by all means, but keeping calm and being cavalier are 2 entirely different things”.
I literally said the Exact opposite . you can be relaxed whilst staying vigilant. If you want to be a drama queen , and carry on like the sky is falling all good , but I’d hate to see you when the crap actually hits the fan .
How many times do I have to repeat myself .

I have read many posts on here,some are very panic stricken others more level headed...it comes back to how we are all different in many ways and opinions..
Somewhere a long the line I fully expect to contract the virus seeing as I work in hospitality and have contact with many people daily..
I do agree with the majority of people who say to follow the guidelines given to us by the experts in the field of viruses..basic hygiene,eat regularly and if you have to self isolate then do so..
If I feel that Im really ill I will contact a medical centre or hospital to make sure Im not developing a nasty infection or anything else related to the virus.

We must remember we are dealing with a new found virus that many are trying to work out how to eliminate,early stages of finding a vaccine is finding the right ingrediants ..but as before we have been hit with many ,many different viruses and have achieved great results...I just want people to survive and work together to limit the severity of this initial impact...each and everyone of us on this forum and the wider community deserves to live their life to the fullest to enjoy each others company weather over the net or in person,when we agree or disagree this is what life is about.
I honestly don't know how many of us will be infected ...I just want all who do to survive and go on to fulfil their ambitions,watch their families grow,enjoy sports etc..But we must all do our part to help contain this thing and look after each other,life is far to precious to sound the death knell way before necessary.....

 

[Deleted member 3518]

There are some simple things that HK does, like plastic film over lift buttons, so that it’s easy to sanitise.

I didn't realise lift buttons were difficult to sanitise? Why can't you just wipe them with disinfectant?

Things start to go overboard in this regard, I mean lift buttons? What about every other public surface in existence, are folks going to walk around opening things with a foot press or elbow or wave at a scanner, just to avoid germs?

Sure as hell don't touch money if germs are a problem, also don't talk to anyone, or shake hands - no no, that's instant transferal. We can all then add to the immuno-weaknesses that already might exist because some mums excessively disinfect their house and kids don't get a proper dose of bugs in their childhood.

This mentality is why Australia isn't going to do well through this.

The "Yeah, nah, she'll be right". Will make you tougher kind of response. Bud, that's why there will be a vaccination eventually built to ensure our immune systems can cope.

I mean, where do you draw the line? Would SARS landing in Australia mean that we start doing some smart things? Ebola?

High-touch surfaces such as lift buttons, public toilet doors (keep them open) all helps. You could label it soft. Label it an overreaction. But I would prefer to go with facts rather than a uncorrelated assumption about cleanliness causing auto-immune issues. Sounds all a bit anti-vax!

It is an over reaction though . Running around like chicken little is mental . Even at its worse it is only affecting a small percentage of the population. Kids are immune , relatively young people will experience mild symptoms, even the over 65s have a small percentage of the total population affected.
Cleary your hands , follow basic hygiene and she will be right . And if you have a preexisting respiratory or heart problem , than yea be more diligent . Otherwise it’s business as usual .

Yep. Business as usual.

My point was valid at the time based on the information at the time. Authorities are erring on the side of caution. Everything I said was true though . If you’re relatively healthy it’s equivalent to a mild flu or a strong cold . Going mental over toilet paper is embarrassing.

um, no it wasn't valid. You had a dig when I suggested measures around high touch surfaces. Hong Kong and Singapore have learned from these scenarios. Labeling those things they are doing as an overreaction shows how messed up were going to be.

yes, toilet paper is an overreaction. That's not what we were talking about though.

Mate you’re delusional! I literally said in that reply to follow all basic hygiene and you’ll be right . I was ? referring to the mass panic out there . which IS an Over reaction .
Even the biggest panic merchant experts , Are all saying for 99% of the population it’s no harsher than a mild flu.
Everyone needs to calm the hell down , follow basic hygiene( there I said it again just for you ) , and if you’re in the small minority who are most at risk , take due care.
You’re carrying on !

Basic hygiene and staying calm are both good suggestions. But, covid is not the same as the seasonal flu.

The death rate is 3.5% vs 0.1% in the seasonal flu. In over 80s it's about 15%.

It's twice as infectious.

But what's really different about it is the number of people that end up in hospital.

Nobody knows why, but 40-50% of serious cases where people end up in hospital on a ventilator are under 50s.

This is exactly what's happening in Italy at the moment. The hospitals are so full that doctors have been told to adopt wartime triage measures (i.e decide who they're going to let die).

3.5% of reported cases mate . That’s 8k world wide . And a large chunk of that is from China. And as it has been stated by infinite experts now , most people won’t even notice they have it . They will think it’s a bad cold . Whereas a flu is a flu And you’ll more likely report it , so the statistics are more accurate .
War time triage ? That’s not how triage in a war zone works mate. And what medication are they having for under 50s . IV drip ? Antibiotics don’t work on viruses. I get your point but , there’s so many variables that lead to that decision . Quarantine ? Being the biggest one . Doesn’t mean they’re on Their death bed , just means they’re taking up a bed because they’re in the incubation period . They’re not “picking who’s going to die mate” they’d be picking who actually needs care , or who is just infectious. They’re still doctors and nurses , they still have a Hippocratic oath.

Have you seen the scenes in China when the hospitals were overloaded? Literally, they were picking who was going to get a bed and who wasn't...just the overload on the system caused many deaths unnecessarily.

When the beds are full, that means EVERYONE has to do without care for all types of illness and injury.

2 weeks ago it was inconceivable to think that there'd be no toilet paper on the shelves, or that we'd be playing sport in empty stadiums or that Italy would lock down their entire country.

Imagine what it would be like if there are not enough hospital beds and doctors/nurses to provide the care that you might need. Not enough medical supplies to go around because every country in the world is doing a Coles style bulk buy on medical supplies.

Do you think the Hippocratic Oath gets consulted when patients are flying in from everywhere? Hell, they make mistakes now without the pressure of a pandemic to deal with.

>.

China was ground zero !!! And it has a humanitarian record , that Hittler would be proud of. And the reason is , everyone panicked and decided they needed the max amount of care available, so piled into the hospitals. How many , could have been treated at home ? How were the resources used ?
I’m over this conversation. The people like you and @happytiger who refuse to actually read what I’m saying , and keep saying the same things over and over
“You seem to think that extremes aren't possible, but if the last 2 weeks is anything to go by, things can go from calm to disaster in a very short period of time. Keep calm by all means, but keeping calm and being cavalier are 2 entirely different things”.
I literally said the Exact opposite . you can be relaxed whilst staying vigilant. If you want to be a drama queen , and carry on like the sky is falling all good , but I’d hate to see you when the crap actually hits the fan .
How many times do I have to repeat myself .

Hmmm...I was referring to your comment to @Papacito when you doubted his point about "war-time triage". It's happening in Italy right now. No need to get your knickers in a knot.

See here: https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/italy-is-no-outlier-it-s-a-frontrunner-these-nations-are-set-to-follow-20200312-p5497r.html

Quoted from the article:

As COVID-19 spreads across the continent, other decisions of much greater consequence loom. Some are matters of actual life or death. Doctors in Italy this week published guidelines warning that patients over a certain age might have to be left to die so that scarce intensive care beds can be given to younger people with a better chance of survival.

*"Resources may have to be used first for those with a higher probability of survival and, secondly, who has the most years of life left, and offer the maximum number of benefits to the majority of people," the advice warned.*

Just relax.

Is that meant to be ironic or facetious? I am relaxed . You did it again . I’m out . Feel like everything I’m saying is going over your head , and rather assume I’m saying “it’s not that big of a deal “ rather than “I don’t know if it is or isn’t , follow the experts , but don’t panic”. 1 is completely different than the other

 

[weststigers]

There are some simple things that HK does, like plastic film over lift buttons, so that it’s easy to sanitise.

I didn't realise lift buttons were difficult to sanitise? Why can't you just wipe them with disinfectant?

Things start to go overboard in this regard, I mean lift buttons? What about every other public surface in existence, are folks going to walk around opening things with a foot press or elbow or wave at a scanner, just to avoid germs?

Sure as hell don't touch money if germs are a problem, also don't talk to anyone, or shake hands - no no, that's instant transferal. We can all then add to the immuno-weaknesses that already might exist because some mums excessively disinfect their house and kids don't get a proper dose of bugs in their childhood.

This mentality is why Australia isn't going to do well through this.

The "Yeah, nah, she'll be right". Will make you tougher kind of response. Bud, that's why there will be a vaccination eventually built to ensure our immune systems can cope.

I mean, where do you draw the line? Would SARS landing in Australia mean that we start doing some smart things? Ebola?

High-touch surfaces such as lift buttons, public toilet doors (keep them open) all helps. You could label it soft. Label it an overreaction. But I would prefer to go with facts rather than a uncorrelated assumption about cleanliness causing auto-immune issues. Sounds all a bit anti-vax!

It is an over reaction though . Running around like chicken little is mental . Even at its worse it is only affecting a small percentage of the population. Kids are immune , relatively young people will experience mild symptoms, even the over 65s have a small percentage of the total population affected.
Cleary your hands , follow basic hygiene and she will be right . And if you have a preexisting respiratory or heart problem , than yea be more diligent . Otherwise it’s business as usual .

Yep. Business as usual.

My point was valid at the time based on the information at the time. Authorities are erring on the side of caution. Everything I said was true though . If you’re relatively healthy it’s equivalent to a mild flu or a strong cold . Going mental over toilet paper is embarrassing.

um, no it wasn't valid. You had a dig when I suggested measures around high touch surfaces. Hong Kong and Singapore have learned from these scenarios. Labeling those things they are doing as an overreaction shows how messed up were going to be.

yes, toilet paper is an overreaction. That's not what we were talking about though.

Mate you’re delusional! I literally said in that reply to follow all basic hygiene and you’ll be right . I was ? referring to the mass panic out there . which IS an Over reaction .
Even the biggest panic merchant experts , Are all saying for 99% of the population it’s no harsher than a mild flu.
Everyone needs to calm the hell down , follow basic hygiene( there I said it again just for you ) , and if you’re in the small minority who are most at risk , take due care.
You’re carrying on !

Basic hygiene and staying calm are both good suggestions. But, covid is not the same as the seasonal flu.

The death rate is 3.5% vs 0.1% in the seasonal flu. In over 80s it's about 15%.

It's twice as infectious.

But what's really different about it is the number of people that end up in hospital.

Nobody knows why, but 40-50% of serious cases where people end up in hospital on a ventilator are under 50s.

This is exactly what's happening in Italy at the moment. The hospitals are so full that doctors have been told to adopt wartime triage measures (i.e decide who they're going to let die).

3.5% of reported cases mate . That’s 8k world wide . And a large chunk of that is from China. And as it has been stated by infinite experts now , most people won’t even notice they have it . They will think it’s a bad cold . Whereas a flu is a flu And you’ll more likely report it , so the statistics are more accurate .
War time triage ? That’s not how triage in a war zone works mate. And what medication are they having for under 50s . IV drip ? Antibiotics don’t work on viruses. I get your point but , there’s so many variables that lead to that decision . Quarantine ? Being the biggest one . Doesn’t mean they’re on Their death bed , just means they’re taking up a bed because they’re in the incubation period . They’re not “picking who’s going to die mate” they’d be picking who actually needs care , or who is just infectious. They’re still doctors and nurses , they still have a Hippocratic oath.

Have you seen the scenes in China when the hospitals were overloaded? Literally, they were picking who was going to get a bed and who wasn't...just the overload on the system caused many deaths unnecessarily.

When the beds are full, that means EVERYONE has to do without care for all types of illness and injury.

2 weeks ago it was inconceivable to think that there'd be no toilet paper on the shelves, or that we'd be playing sport in empty stadiums or that Italy would lock down their entire country.

Imagine what it would be like if there are not enough hospital beds and doctors/nurses to provide the care that you might need. Not enough medical supplies to go around because every country in the world is doing a Coles style bulk buy on medical supplies.

Do you think the Hippocratic Oath gets consulted when patients are flying in from everywhere? Hell, they make mistakes now without the pressure of a pandemic to deal with.

>.

China was ground zero !!! And it has a humanitarian record , that Hittler would be proud of. And the reason is , everyone panicked and decided they needed the max amount of care available, so piled into the hospitals. How many , could have been treated at home ? How were the resources used ?
I’m over this conversation. The people like you and @happytiger who refuse to actually read what I’m saying , and keep saying the same things over and over
“You seem to think that extremes aren't possible, but if the last 2 weeks is anything to go by, things can go from calm to disaster in a very short period of time. Keep calm by all means, but keeping calm and being cavalier are 2 entirely different things”.
I literally said the Exact opposite . you can be relaxed whilst staying vigilant. If you want to be a drama queen , and carry on like the sky is falling all good , but I’d hate to see you when the crap actually hits the fan .
How many times do I have to repeat myself .

Hmmm...I was referring to your comment to @Papacito when you doubted his point about "war-time triage". It's happening in Italy right now. No need to get your knickers in a knot.

See here: https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/italy-is-no-outlier-it-s-a-frontrunner-these-nations-are-set-to-follow-20200312-p5497r.html

Quoted from the article:

As COVID-19 spreads across the continent, other decisions of much greater consequence loom. Some are matters of actual life or death. Doctors in Italy this week published guidelines warning that patients over a certain age might have to be left to die so that scarce intensive care beds can be given to younger people with a better chance of survival.

*"Resources may have to be used first for those with a higher probability of survival and, secondly, who has the most years of life left, and offer the maximum number of benefits to the majority of people," the advice warned.*

Just relax.

Is that meant to be ironic or facetious? I am relaxed . You did it again . I’m out . Feel like everything I’m saying is going over your head , and rather assume I’m saying “it’s not that big of a deal “ rather than “I don’t know if it is or isn’t , follow the experts , but don’t panic”. 1 is completely different than the other

Got it...thanks for clearing it up. I understood what you were saying in the first place. For the record, I wasn't being ironic or facetious. No need to get defensive. You came at me like a bull at a gate, so I was just saying take it easy.

 

[mike]

There are some simple things that HK does, like plastic film over lift buttons, so that it’s easy to sanitise.

I didn't realise lift buttons were difficult to sanitise? Why can't you just wipe them with disinfectant?

Things start to go overboard in this regard, I mean lift buttons? What about every other public surface in existence, are folks going to walk around opening things with a foot press or elbow or wave at a scanner, just to avoid germs?

Sure as hell don't touch money if germs are a problem, also don't talk to anyone, or shake hands - no no, that's instant transferal. We can all then add to the immuno-weaknesses that already might exist because some mums excessively disinfect their house and kids don't get a proper dose of bugs in their childhood.

This mentality is why Australia isn't going to do well through this.

The "Yeah, nah, she'll be right". Will make you tougher kind of response. Bud, that's why there will be a vaccination eventually built to ensure our immune systems can cope.

I mean, where do you draw the line? Would SARS landing in Australia mean that we start doing some smart things? Ebola?

High-touch surfaces such as lift buttons, public toilet doors (keep them open) all helps. You could label it soft. Label it an overreaction. But I would prefer to go with facts rather than a uncorrelated assumption about cleanliness causing auto-immune issues. Sounds all a bit anti-vax!

It is an over reaction though . Running around like chicken little is mental . Even at its worse it is only affecting a small percentage of the population. Kids are immune , relatively young people will experience mild symptoms, even the over 65s have a small percentage of the total population affected.
Cleary your hands , follow basic hygiene and she will be right . And if you have a preexisting respiratory or heart problem , than yea be more diligent . Otherwise it’s business as usual .

Yep. Business as usual.

My point was valid at the time based on the information at the time. Authorities are erring on the side of caution. Everything I said was true though . If you’re relatively healthy it’s equivalent to a mild flu or a strong cold . Going mental over toilet paper is embarrassing.

um, no it wasn't valid. You had a dig when I suggested measures around high touch surfaces. Hong Kong and Singapore have learned from these scenarios. Labeling those things they are doing as an overreaction shows how messed up were going to be.

yes, toilet paper is an overreaction. That's not what we were talking about though.

Mate you’re delusional! I literally said in that reply to follow all basic hygiene and you’ll be right . I was ? referring to the mass panic out there . which IS an Over reaction .
Even the biggest panic merchant experts , Are all saying for 99% of the population it’s no harsher than a mild flu.
Everyone needs to calm the hell down , follow basic hygiene( there I said it again just for you ) , and if you’re in the small minority who are most at risk , take due care.
You’re carrying on !

Basic hygiene and staying calm are both good suggestions. But, covid is not the same as the seasonal flu.

The death rate is 3.5% vs 0.1% in the seasonal flu. In over 80s it's about 15%.

It's twice as infectious.

But what's really different about it is the number of people that end up in hospital.

Nobody knows why, but 40-50% of serious cases where people end up in hospital on a ventilator are under 50s.

This is exactly what's happening in Italy at the moment. The hospitals are so full that doctors have been told to adopt wartime triage measures (i.e decide who they're going to let die).

3.5% of reported cases mate . That’s 8k world wide . And a large chunk of that is from China. And as it has been stated by infinite experts now , most people won’t even notice they have it . They will think it’s a bad cold . Whereas a flu is a flu And you’ll more likely report it , so the statistics are more accurate .
War time triage ? That’s not how triage in a war zone works mate. And what medication are they having for under 50s . IV drip ? Antibiotics don’t work on viruses. I get your point but , there’s so many variables that lead to that decision . Quarantine ? Being the biggest one . Doesn’t mean they’re on Their death bed , just means they’re taking up a bed because they’re in the incubation period . They’re not “picking who’s going to die mate” they’d be picking who actually needs care , or who is just infectious. They’re still doctors and nurses , they still have a Hippocratic oath.

We need to be careful about quoting published figures and what they actually represent. You are right in that the 3.5% death rate is overstated. If you look at Singapore, who have tested more widely ie Including people with low or mild symptoms, the death rate is about 0.6% to 0.8%. Over time I think this will be where the stats will normalise to. Still worse than influenza but not by an order of magnitude.

 

[happy_tiger]

There are some simple things that HK does, like plastic film over lift buttons, so that it’s easy to sanitise.

I didn't realise lift buttons were difficult to sanitise? Why can't you just wipe them with disinfectant?

Things start to go overboard in this regard, I mean lift buttons? What about every other public surface in existence, are folks going to walk around opening things with a foot press or elbow or wave at a scanner, just to avoid germs?

Sure as hell don't touch money if germs are a problem, also don't talk to anyone, or shake hands - no no, that's instant transferal. We can all then add to the immuno-weaknesses that already might exist because some mums excessively disinfect their house and kids don't get a proper dose of bugs in their childhood.

This mentality is why Australia isn't going to do well through this.

The "Yeah, nah, she'll be right". Will make you tougher kind of response. Bud, that's why there will be a vaccination eventually built to ensure our immune systems can cope.

I mean, where do you draw the line? Would SARS landing in Australia mean that we start doing some smart things? Ebola?

High-touch surfaces such as lift buttons, public toilet doors (keep them open) all helps. You could label it soft. Label it an overreaction. But I would prefer to go with facts rather than a uncorrelated assumption about cleanliness causing auto-immune issues. Sounds all a bit anti-vax!

It is an over reaction though . Running around like chicken little is mental . Even at its worse it is only affecting a small percentage of the population. Kids are immune , relatively young people will experience mild symptoms, even the over 65s have a small percentage of the total population affected.
Cleary your hands , follow basic hygiene and she will be right . And if you have a preexisting respiratory or heart problem , than yea be more diligent . Otherwise it’s business as usual .

Yep. Business as usual.

My point was valid at the time based on the information at the time. Authorities are erring on the side of caution. Everything I said was true though . If you’re relatively healthy it’s equivalent to a mild flu or a strong cold . Going mental over toilet paper is embarrassing.

um, no it wasn't valid. You had a dig when I suggested measures around high touch surfaces. Hong Kong and Singapore have learned from these scenarios. Labeling those things they are doing as an overreaction shows how messed up were going to be.

yes, toilet paper is an overreaction. That's not what we were talking about though.

Mate you’re delusional! I literally said in that reply to follow all basic hygiene and you’ll be right . I was ? referring to the mass panic out there . which IS an Over reaction .
Even the biggest panic merchant experts , Are all saying for 99% of the population it’s no harsher than a mild flu.
Everyone needs to calm the hell down , follow basic hygiene( there I said it again just for you ) , and if you’re in the small minority who are most at risk , take due care.
You’re carrying on !

Basic hygiene and staying calm are both good suggestions. But, covid is not the same as the seasonal flu.

The death rate is 3.5% vs 0.1% in the seasonal flu. In over 80s it's about 15%.

It's twice as infectious.

But what's really different about it is the number of people that end up in hospital.

Nobody knows why, but 40-50% of serious cases where people end up in hospital on a ventilator are under 50s.

This is exactly what's happening in Italy at the moment. The hospitals are so full that doctors have been told to adopt wartime triage measures (i.e decide who they're going to let die).

3.5% of reported cases mate . That’s 8k world wide . And a large chunk of that is from China. And as it has been stated by infinite experts now , most people won’t even notice they have it . They will think it’s a bad cold . Whereas a flu is a flu And you’ll more likely report it , so the statistics are more accurate .
War time triage ? That’s not how triage in a war zone works mate. And what medication are they having for under 50s . IV drip ? Antibiotics don’t work on viruses. I get your point but , there’s so many variables that lead to that decision . Quarantine ? Being the biggest one . Doesn’t mean they’re on Their death bed , just means they’re taking up a bed because they’re in the incubation period . They’re not “picking who’s going to die mate” they’d be picking who actually needs care , or who is just infectious. They’re still doctors and nurses , they still have a Hippocratic oath.

We need to be careful about quoting published figures and what they actually represent. You are right in that the 3.5% death rate is overstated. If you look at Singapore, who have tested more widely ie Including people with low or mild symptoms, the death rate is about 0.6% to 0.8%. Over time I think this will be where the stats will normalise to. Still worse than influenza but not by an order of magnitude.

3 million Australians get CV and those numbers will still be bad

But according to some as long as the numbers aren't as bad as the Black Plague ,Smallpox ,German Measles and Spanish Flu those numbers are OK

I wonder if one of those numbers is their Mum ,Dad , sick family member ,grandparent ,sister ,closest friend ,wife ,life partner whether that will change things

Talking tough won't keep you alive if your number is up ....do as much as you can to help the others who might be in need please

 

[the_third]

There are some simple things that HK does, like plastic film over lift buttons, so that it’s easy to sanitise.

I didn't realise lift buttons were difficult to sanitise? Why can't you just wipe them with disinfectant?

Things start to go overboard in this regard, I mean lift buttons? What about every other public surface in existence, are folks going to walk around opening things with a foot press or elbow or wave at a scanner, just to avoid germs?

Sure as hell don't touch money if germs are a problem, also don't talk to anyone, or shake hands - no no, that's instant transferal. We can all then add to the immuno-weaknesses that already might exist because some mums excessively disinfect their house and kids don't get a proper dose of bugs in their childhood.

This mentality is why Australia isn't going to do well through this.

The "Yeah, nah, she'll be right". Will make you tougher kind of response. Bud, that's why there will be a vaccination eventually built to ensure our immune systems can cope.

I mean, where do you draw the line? Would SARS landing in Australia mean that we start doing some smart things? Ebola?

High-touch surfaces such as lift buttons, public toilet doors (keep them open) all helps. You could label it soft. Label it an overreaction. But I would prefer to go with facts rather than a uncorrelated assumption about cleanliness causing auto-immune issues. Sounds all a bit anti-vax!

It is an over reaction though . Running around like chicken little is mental . Even at its worse it is only affecting a small percentage of the population. Kids are immune , relatively young people will experience mild symptoms, even the over 65s have a small percentage of the total population affected.
Cleary your hands , follow basic hygiene and she will be right . And if you have a preexisting respiratory or heart problem , than yea be more diligent . Otherwise it’s business as usual .

Yep. Business as usual.

My point was valid at the time based on the information at the time. Authorities are erring on the side of caution. Everything I said was true though . If you’re relatively healthy it’s equivalent to a mild flu or a strong cold . Going mental over toilet paper is embarrassing.

um, no it wasn't valid. You had a dig when I suggested measures around high touch surfaces. Hong Kong and Singapore have learned from these scenarios. Labeling those things they are doing as an overreaction shows how messed up were going to be.

yes, toilet paper is an overreaction. That's not what we were talking about though.

Mate you’re delusional! I literally said in that reply to follow all basic hygiene and you’ll be right . I was ? referring to the mass panic out there . which IS an Over reaction .
Even the biggest panic merchant experts , Are all saying for 99% of the population it’s no harsher than a mild flu.
Everyone needs to calm the hell down , follow basic hygiene( there I said it again just for you ) , and if you’re in the small minority who are most at risk , take due care.
You’re carrying on !

Basic hygiene and staying calm are both good suggestions. But, covid is not the same as the seasonal flu.

The death rate is 3.5% vs 0.1% in the seasonal flu. In over 80s it's about 15%.

It's twice as infectious.

But what's really different about it is the number of people that end up in hospital.

Nobody knows why, but 40-50% of serious cases where people end up in hospital on a ventilator are under 50s.

This is exactly what's happening in Italy at the moment. The hospitals are so full that doctors have been told to adopt wartime triage measures (i.e decide who they're going to let die).

3.5% of reported cases mate . That’s 8k world wide . And a large chunk of that is from China. And as it has been stated by infinite experts now , most people won’t even notice they have it . They will think it’s a bad cold . Whereas a flu is a flu And you’ll more likely report it , so the statistics are more accurate .
War time triage ? That’s not how triage in a war zone works mate. And what medication are they having for under 50s . IV drip ? Antibiotics don’t work on viruses. I get your point but , there’s so many variables that lead to that decision . Quarantine ? Being the biggest one . Doesn’t mean they’re on Their death bed , just means they’re taking up a bed because they’re in the incubation period . They’re not “picking who’s going to die mate” they’d be picking who actually needs care , or who is just infectious. They’re still doctors and nurses , they still have a Hippocratic oath.

We need to be careful about quoting published figures and what they actually represent. You are right in that the 3.5% death rate is overstated. If you look at Singapore, who have tested more widely ie Including people with low or mild symptoms, the death rate is about 0.6% to 0.8%. Over time I think this will be where the stats will normalise to. Still worse than influenza but not by an order of magnitude.

3 million Australians get CV and those numbers will still be bad

But according to some as long as the numbers aren't as bad as the Black Plague ,Smallpox ,German Measles and Spanish Flu those numbers are OK

I wonder if one of those numbers is their Mum ,Dad , sick family member ,grandparent ,sister ,closest friend ,wife ,life partner whether that will change things

Talking tough won't keep you alive if your number is up ....do as much as you can to help the others who might be in need please

Spot on - I’ve got family members in aged care, and a mum in Europe I can’t even visit if it goes pear shaped.

It’s pretty real here

 

[happy_tiger]

There are some simple things that HK does, like plastic film over lift buttons, so that it’s easy to sanitise.

I didn't realise lift buttons were difficult to sanitise? Why can't you just wipe them with disinfectant?

Things start to go overboard in this regard, I mean lift buttons? What about every other public surface in existence, are folks going to walk around opening things with a foot press or elbow or wave at a scanner, just to avoid germs?

Sure as hell don't touch money if germs are a problem, also don't talk to anyone, or shake hands - no no, that's instant transferal. We can all then add to the immuno-weaknesses that already might exist because some mums excessively disinfect their house and kids don't get a proper dose of bugs in their childhood.

This mentality is why Australia isn't going to do well through this.

The "Yeah, nah, she'll be right". Will make you tougher kind of response. Bud, that's why there will be a vaccination eventually built to ensure our immune systems can cope.

I mean, where do you draw the line? Would SARS landing in Australia mean that we start doing some smart things? Ebola?

High-touch surfaces such as lift buttons, public toilet doors (keep them open) all helps. You could label it soft. Label it an overreaction. But I would prefer to go with facts rather than a uncorrelated assumption about cleanliness causing auto-immune issues. Sounds all a bit anti-vax!

It is an over reaction though . Running around like chicken little is mental . Even at its worse it is only affecting a small percentage of the population. Kids are immune , relatively young people will experience mild symptoms, even the over 65s have a small percentage of the total population affected.
Cleary your hands , follow basic hygiene and she will be right . And if you have a preexisting respiratory or heart problem , than yea be more diligent . Otherwise it’s business as usual .

Yep. Business as usual.

My point was valid at the time based on the information at the time. Authorities are erring on the side of caution. Everything I said was true though . If you’re relatively healthy it’s equivalent to a mild flu or a strong cold . Going mental over toilet paper is embarrassing.

um, no it wasn't valid. You had a dig when I suggested measures around high touch surfaces. Hong Kong and Singapore have learned from these scenarios. Labeling those things they are doing as an overreaction shows how messed up were going to be.

yes, toilet paper is an overreaction. That's not what we were talking about though.

Mate you’re delusional! I literally said in that reply to follow all basic hygiene and you’ll be right . I was ? referring to the mass panic out there . which IS an Over reaction .
Even the biggest panic merchant experts , Are all saying for 99% of the population it’s no harsher than a mild flu.
Everyone needs to calm the hell down , follow basic hygiene( there I said it again just for you ) , and if you’re in the small minority who are most at risk , take due care.
You’re carrying on !

Basic hygiene and staying calm are both good suggestions. But, covid is not the same as the seasonal flu.

The death rate is 3.5% vs 0.1% in the seasonal flu. In over 80s it's about 15%.

It's twice as infectious.

But what's really different about it is the number of people that end up in hospital.

Nobody knows why, but 40-50% of serious cases where people end up in hospital on a ventilator are under 50s.

This is exactly what's happening in Italy at the moment. The hospitals are so full that doctors have been told to adopt wartime triage measures (i.e decide who they're going to let die).

3.5% of reported cases mate . That’s 8k world wide . And a large chunk of that is from China. And as it has been stated by infinite experts now , most people won’t even notice they have it . They will think it’s a bad cold . Whereas a flu is a flu And you’ll more likely report it , so the statistics are more accurate .
War time triage ? That’s not how triage in a war zone works mate. And what medication are they having for under 50s . IV drip ? Antibiotics don’t work on viruses. I get your point but , there’s so many variables that lead to that decision . Quarantine ? Being the biggest one . Doesn’t mean they’re on Their death bed , just means they’re taking up a bed because they’re in the incubation period . They’re not “picking who’s going to die mate” they’d be picking who actually needs care , or who is just infectious. They’re still doctors and nurses , they still have a Hippocratic oath.

We need to be careful about quoting published figures and what they actually represent. You are right in that the 3.5% death rate is overstated. If you look at Singapore, who have tested more widely ie Including people with low or mild symptoms, the death rate is about 0.6% to 0.8%. Over time I think this will be where the stats will normalise to. Still worse than influenza but not by an order of magnitude.

3 million Australians get CV and those numbers will still be bad

But according to some as long as the numbers aren't as bad as the Black Plague ,Smallpox ,German Measles and Spanish Flu those numbers are OK

I wonder if one of those numbers is their Mum ,Dad , sick family member ,grandparent ,sister ,closest friend ,wife ,life partner whether that will change things

Talking tough won't keep you alive if your number is up ....do as much as you can to help the others who might be in need please


Spot on - I’ve got family members in aged care, and a mum in Europe I can’t even visit if it goes pear shaped.

It’s pretty real here

Between the Mrs and I we have 5 family members I would be extremely worried about if they got CV

We have told them all if they want they can move in with us so we can attempt to care for them

I'm slightly concerned about the fact I had a staph infection 9 months ago ...but Dr thinks I shouldn't worry .....unfortunately I don't trust the medical profession

 

[the_third]

There are some simple things that HK does, like plastic film over lift buttons, so that it’s easy to sanitise.

I didn't realise lift buttons were difficult to sanitise? Why can't you just wipe them with disinfectant?

Things start to go overboard in this regard, I mean lift buttons? What about every other public surface in existence, are folks going to walk around opening things with a foot press or elbow or wave at a scanner, just to avoid germs?

Sure as hell don't touch money if germs are a problem, also don't talk to anyone, or shake hands - no no, that's instant transferal. We can all then add to the immuno-weaknesses that already might exist because some mums excessively disinfect their house and kids don't get a proper dose of bugs in their childhood.

This mentality is why Australia isn't going to do well through this.

The "Yeah, nah, she'll be right". Will make you tougher kind of response. Bud, that's why there will be a vaccination eventually built to ensure our immune systems can cope.

I mean, where do you draw the line? Would SARS landing in Australia mean that we start doing some smart things? Ebola?

High-touch surfaces such as lift buttons, public toilet doors (keep them open) all helps. You could label it soft. Label it an overreaction. But I would prefer to go with facts rather than a uncorrelated assumption about cleanliness causing auto-immune issues. Sounds all a bit anti-vax!

It is an over reaction though . Running around like chicken little is mental . Even at its worse it is only affecting a small percentage of the population. Kids are immune , relatively young people will experience mild symptoms, even the over 65s have a small percentage of the total population affected.
Cleary your hands , follow basic hygiene and she will be right . And if you have a preexisting respiratory or heart problem , than yea be more diligent . Otherwise it’s business as usual .

Yep. Business as usual.

My point was valid at the time based on the information at the time. Authorities are erring on the side of caution. Everything I said was true though . If you’re relatively healthy it’s equivalent to a mild flu or a strong cold . Going mental over toilet paper is embarrassing.

um, no it wasn't valid. You had a dig when I suggested measures around high touch surfaces. Hong Kong and Singapore have learned from these scenarios. Labeling those things they are doing as an overreaction shows how messed up were going to be.

yes, toilet paper is an overreaction. That's not what we were talking about though.

Mate you’re delusional! I literally said in that reply to follow all basic hygiene and you’ll be right . I was ? referring to the mass panic out there . which IS an Over reaction .
Even the biggest panic merchant experts , Are all saying for 99% of the population it’s no harsher than a mild flu.
Everyone needs to calm the hell down , follow basic hygiene( there I said it again just for you ) , and if you’re in the small minority who are most at risk , take due care.
You’re carrying on !

Basic hygiene and staying calm are both good suggestions. But, covid is not the same as the seasonal flu.

The death rate is 3.5% vs 0.1% in the seasonal flu. In over 80s it's about 15%.

It's twice as infectious.

But what's really different about it is the number of people that end up in hospital.

Nobody knows why, but 40-50% of serious cases where people end up in hospital on a ventilator are under 50s.

This is exactly what's happening in Italy at the moment. The hospitals are so full that doctors have been told to adopt wartime triage measures (i.e decide who they're going to let die).

3.5% of reported cases mate . That’s 8k world wide . And a large chunk of that is from China. And as it has been stated by infinite experts now , most people won’t even notice they have it . They will think it’s a bad cold . Whereas a flu is a flu And you’ll more likely report it , so the statistics are more accurate .
War time triage ? That’s not how triage in a war zone works mate. And what medication are they having for under 50s . IV drip ? Antibiotics don’t work on viruses. I get your point but , there’s so many variables that lead to that decision . Quarantine ? Being the biggest one . Doesn’t mean they’re on Their death bed , just means they’re taking up a bed because they’re in the incubation period . They’re not “picking who’s going to die mate” they’d be picking who actually needs care , or who is just infectious. They’re still doctors and nurses , they still have a Hippocratic oath.

We need to be careful about quoting published figures and what they actually represent. You are right in that the 3.5% death rate is overstated. If you look at Singapore, who have tested more widely ie Including people with low or mild symptoms, the death rate is about 0.6% to 0.8%. Over time I think this will be where the stats will normalise to. Still worse than influenza but not by an order of magnitude.

3 million Australians get CV and those numbers will still be bad

But according to some as long as the numbers aren't as bad as the Black Plague ,Smallpox ,German Measles and Spanish Flu those numbers are OK

I wonder if one of those numbers is their Mum ,Dad , sick family member ,grandparent ,sister ,closest friend ,wife ,life partner whether that will change things

Talking tough won't keep you alive if your number is up ....do as much as you can to help the others who might be in need please


Spot on - I’ve got family members in aged care, and a mum in Europe I can’t even visit if it goes pear shaped.

It’s pretty real here

Between the Mrs and I we have 5 family members I would be extremely worried about if they got CV

We have told them all if they want they can move in with us so we can attempt to care for them

I'm slightly concerned about the fact I had a staph infection 9 months ago ...but Dr thinks I shouldn't worry .....unfortunately I don't trust the medical profession

Quire right mate. My parents are both 70plus with one overseas and the other half’s over 60, with one in respite. Don’t even go near the other relatives.

It’s pretty rough mate. Take care of yours ?