Coronavirus Outbreak

[earl]

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Fulltext/2021/08000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.7.aspx

Conclusions:

Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective). Using Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.

I don't think this is the best thing for any country with access to the vaccine. It's more something that could really help the developing countries who can't get access to vaccines.

This is my policy conclusion from listening to information about this. If someone has better information I'd love to see it.

 

[mike]

off defricatus urina

That’s not very nice.

 

[tigger]

239 cases


That is horrendous

Night curfews in those LGAs of conern is required. Citizens still not doing the right thing.

Will night curfew make a difference?

Night curfew was used here in Victoria during our long lockdown. It achieved two things:

(1) It sent a very clear message to the community that our government was serious about the restrictions it had put in place. (Something I feel may be lacking in NSW).

(2) It made the job much easier for police. You were either travelling to or from shift work as an essential worker or you were seeking urgent medical attention. There was no other good reason for being out and about.

You get the sense Gladys is too afraid to put in the really effective restrictions that involve real pain.

I suspect that it might be more ideologically driven than that. But when you talk about real pain, what's happening in Sydney at the moment looks a bit like someone putting up with toothache because they don't want to go to the dentist.

The length of this lockdown looks like real pain to me.

 

[Harvey]

Gladys has ballsed this up miserably.

No enforcement/rules around high risk employment (transporting foreign flight crews), knows within days how contagious it is through footage of it being spread through people walking through the same space.

No mask mandate, no lockdown of any impacted areas, waits for the cases to get to the point where contract tracers can no longer keep pace with investigating new cases before any significant lockdown.

Is there a mandated number of cases/contact point before a LGA is considered high risk? Those in strict lockdown do seem to have a number of common factors.

Note a number of venues of concern in Belrose, Gordon, Leichhardt, Haymarkey, Sydney & Ultimo, and the restrictions there are not as tight.

 

[earl]

Very good article below if anyone wants some context and so forth...

https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/getting-a-covid-jab-is-safer-than-taking-aspirin

Everyone should read this especially anyone with any hesitancy in relation to getting the vaccine.

 

[TheDaBoss]

Update, kept on top of it by taking panadol thru out the day

Was reasonably tired most of rhe day with the occasional throb in the arm... experienced a huge energy crash around just after lunch along with a train wreck of feeling tired. Fine now just taking it easy

 

[Tim Sheens]

I'm a huge Gladys fan but I think the NSW government is really struggling with the Delta variant. I can't see any way the lockdown will finish at the end of August. My guess is, given where the numbers are now, the earliest we'll get out is the end of September and even that is doubtful. Even with the best will in the world, vaccination rates will not reach herd immunity levels by the end of August. Maybe by the end of September but highly unlikely.
Big question is will the government try to extend lockdown at the end of August and, if they do, how will the community react.


I doubt if the general community will act at all well.Human nature being what it is even the people(most of us) who understand the need for caution will be peeved.As for the lunatic deniers and conspiracy types they will keep their collective heads where the sun dont shine

At some point, and I don't know where that is, we are just going to have to open up and let the cards fall where they may. You'd expect that point will be decided by vaccination rates. My view, and plenty will disagree, is that level should be closer to 50% than 75%.

It needs to be at the very least, 3 weeks beyond the point second recommended dose appointments being available for each and every eligible person. I would go further in that should extend to the choice of vaccine as well.

 

[Papacito]

Gladys has ballsed this up miserably.

No enforcement/rules around high risk employment (transporting foreign flight crews), knows within days how contagious it is through footage of it being spread through people walking through the same space.

No mask mandate, no lockdown of any impacted areas, waits for the cases to get to the point where contract tracers can no longer keep pace with investigating new cases before any significant lockdown.

Is there a mandated number of cases/contact point before a LGA is considered high risk? Those in strict lockdown do seem to have a number of common factors.

Note a number of venues of concern in Belrose, Gordon, Leichhardt, Haymarkey, Sydney & Ultimo, and the restrictions there are not as tight.

Not just flight crews, but plenty of foreign diplomats and the like have been exempt from quarantine and in the community while possibly infectious.

The lockdown criteria is also an excellent question that Gladys has been less than upfront about.

 

[tigger]

I reckon percentage of population being vaccinated is not the correct metric for opening up.
How can it be reasonable to open up before every person in the country (including children) has been given the opportunity to be fully vaccinated?
Once we reach that point I'm happy for lockdowns to cease. Sensible restrictions, such as masks in indoor public spaces and mandatory vaccination for some occupations (e.g. age care workers) should continue.
A decent quarantine system for incoming travellers would need to be in place. Not this hotel quarantine rubbish.
I would also be happy for access restrictions to apply to unvaccinated people. Yep, sure they've got rights, but so do the rest of us and their rights don't outweigh ours
.

And your rights don't out weight there's

Best bet wait till Christmas everyone has had the chance to get the Jab those who don't that's their risk and those who have that's there risk as well let's remember the Nuremberg trials


We won't get to 60 percent let alone 50

No, generally speaking my individual rights don't outweigh anybody else's.

But, on the other hand, our individual rights have always been constrained to ensure that we act in a way that is for the general good of our society.

I have a right to drive a car, but only if I'm duly licensed because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

I have a right to perform maintenance on my property, but not if it's electrical or plumbing, unless I'm duly licensed, because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

And some time in the future, when we've all had the opportunity to be fully vaccinated against Covid 19, our right to go to restaurants or to events may be constrained by whether or not we have opted to be vaccinated. I won't have a problem with that, because I believe it to be in the best interest of our society.

 

[hobbo1]

Update, kept on top of it by taking panadol thru out the day

Was reasonably tired most of rhe day with the occasional throb in the arm... experienced a huge energy crash around just after lunch along with a train wreck of feeling tired. Fine now just taking it easy

AZ ?
Or was it your first 6 pack ?

 

[TheDaBoss]

Update, kept on top of it by taking panadol thru out the day

Was reasonably tired most of rhe day with the occasional throb in the arm... experienced a huge energy crash around just after lunch along with a train wreck of feeling tired. Fine now just taking it easy

AZ ?
Or was it your first 6 pack ?

AZ

 

[earl]

But, on the other hand, our individual rights have always been constrained to ensure that we act in a way that is for the general good of our society.

@Radoush argument is the argument of a child. No offense. It's extremely immature.

Are you allowed to smoke in public places, kill people, drink and drive etc ? There are rules in society to protect everyone.

 

[Harvey]

12 Cases in Campbelltown LGA, 7 in Parramatta and 3 in Georges river.

Has me wondering whether racial profiling and the political affiliation of these areas are factored into lockdown decisions.

 

[tigger]

Update, kept on top of it by taking panadol thru out the day

Was reasonably tired most of rhe day with the occasional throb in the arm... experienced a huge energy crash around just after lunch along with a train wreck of feeling tired. Fine now just taking it easy

AZ ?
Or was it your first 6 pack ?

AZ

I felt much the same way when I had my first AZ shot. Just really lethargic.

But I had my second shot yesterday and no side effects at all.

 

[Crucible]

Harvey, yes they are going through all the safe labor seats and closing down the suburbs. You're a dope.

 

[Nelson]

12 Cases in Campbelltown LGA, 7 in Parramatta and 3 in Georges river.

Has me wondering whether racial profiling and the political affiliation of these areas are factored into lockdown decisions.

Well, I doubt it. It would be fairly stupid of them to be flagrantly racist. It might be because they expect numbers to go up substantially due to contract tracing already done on those low numbers.

 

[mike]

**No one special…**

Everyone is special. Some are just more 'special' than others. 🙂

 

[Harvey]

Harvey, yes they are going through all the safe labor seats and closing down the suburbs. You're a dope.

Speculating. Any suggestion from you around why Georges river and Campbelltown are locked down, but Camden & City of Sydney are not?

 

[mike]

Update, kept on top of it by taking panadol thru out the day

Was reasonably tired most of rhe day with the occasional throb in the arm... experienced a huge energy crash around just after lunch along with a train wreck of feeling tired. Fine now just taking it easy

AZ ?
Or was it your first 6 pack ?

AZ

Yeah, I had a headache for a couple of days on my first AZ. Panadol was all I needed. With the 2nd AZ jab I had no reaction.

 

[Radoush]

I reckon percentage of population being vaccinated is not the correct metric for opening up.
How can it be reasonable to open up before every person in the country (including children) has been given the opportunity to be fully vaccinated?
Once we reach that point I'm happy for lockdowns to cease. Sensible restrictions, such as masks in indoor public spaces and mandatory vaccination for some occupations (e.g. age care workers) should continue.
A decent quarantine system for incoming travellers would need to be in place. Not this hotel quarantine rubbish.
I would also be happy for access restrictions to apply to unvaccinated people. Yep, sure they've got rights, but so do the rest of us and their rights don't outweigh ours
.

And your rights don't out weight there's

Best bet wait till Christmas everyone has had the chance to get the Jab those who don't that's their risk and those who have that's there risk as well let's remember the Nuremberg trials


We won't get to 60 percent let alone 50

No, generally speaking my individual rights don't outweigh anybody else's.

But, on the other hand, our individual rights have always been constrained to ensure that we act in a way that is for the general good of our society.

I have a right to drive a car, but only if I'm duly licensed because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

I have a right to perform maintenance on my property, but not if it's electrical or plumbing, unless I'm duly licensed, because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

And some time in the future, when we've all had the opportunity to be fully vaccinated against Covid 19, our right to go to restaurants or to events may be constrained by whether or not we have opted to be vaccinated. I won't have a problem with that, because I believe it to be in the best interest of our society.

I respect your right to your opinion but there is no way we will get to 60 percent vaccinated on an experimental vaccine so what do you do with the millions of people they all go live in Queensland or make an unvaccinated state inside of Australia and put up a fence around them ?

Please tell me what we do ?