Coronavirus Outbreak

[weststigers]

Dubbo is going into lockdown from 1pm

Dubbo is a major centre that services a huge area of western NSW - if there has been any significant transmission in Dubbo it will very likely be popping up in smaller towns all over western NSW. All because some idiots in Sydney wouldn't stay home.

like that idiot who went to Byron with his kids even though his wife was positive what a peanut

This is what annoys me, the ramifications for what this clown has done is huge, yet the penalty for what can be applied to him is nothing more than a slap on the wrist.

Like most things in this country....the majority pays the price for the minority. Cut and dry cases where there is a blatant disregard for the rules should be punished with prison time.

 

[Tiger5150]

A lot of younger people are opting for AZ. Those who are under 60 and without medical conditions need to get the AZ. You shouldn't have to make the choice but that is the reality of the situation.

You do have some options.

If you are over 60 (maybe 50) you should be getting the AZ.

Why? If I was over 60 (Im not), why shouldnt I be able to have access to a vaccine that provides 85% protection for contracting COVID against 65%?


Individually though you are crazy to think that you aren't getting COVID at some point. You either get a nice little helper from the vaccine or you take your chances.

Really? That is your opinion? Based on? you seem to like to pluck things out of nowhere but scientific data is showing Pfizer 85% effective against contracting Covid and AZ 65%. You know better than the scientists though?


It's like clock work though. The unvaccinated are the ones who will die and get sick.

Is that how clocks work?

 

[earl]

you will feel better about our situation.

I'm starting not to worry. I think the vast majority of people will get vaccinated. People will stop complaining about their freedoms and the like. The unvaccinated will cop it but they made that decision. I justify my current feeling due to my family being vaccinated and the huge number of poor people that won't be given the chance to get vaccinated.

Just a note of caution as well. Efficacy is a very funny indicator. I think Pfizer did their testing when the virus wasn't as rife so the figures look better than that they are. So if 20 people out of 100 in the community have COVID you are going to get different efficacy rates compare to 5 people out of 100 having COVID.

In Israel they have also seen a fairly steep decline in the efficacy with the Pfizer over like 6 months. So more vaccinated people are getting the virus. The efficacy in relation to hospitalization and deaths is though holding up really well.

 

[Tiger5150]

A lot of younger people are opting for AZ. Those who are under 60 and without medical conditions need to get the AZ. You shouldn't have to make the choice but that is the reality of the situation.

I think AZ has been unfairly maligned, it is perfectly safe.

It is not perfectly safe (11 people have died from it in Aus) but it is exceedingly safe relative to COVID. It is also significantly less effective than Pfizer.

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

Mmk...

Likely for some Newcastle/Hunter lockdowns to be extended today, allegedly.

I think once summer hits, it's going to be extremely hard to keep people inside and not going to the beach.

Should be a rush to get this sorted as best they can before summer, IMO.

The cutoff points for the Hunter lockdowns were weird, ending at Muswellbrook and not including Aberdeen or Scone was a mistake and I would expect that to be extended.

Yeah, pretty weird...
I'm reading they'll extend lockdowns 2 weeks.
Likely, later today.

Feel sorry for everyone impacted, across the country.

Will be announced at 11 mate

Mmk...

Likely for some Newcastle/Hunter lockdowns to be extended today, allegedly.

I think once summer hits, it's going to be extremely hard to keep people inside and not going to the beach.

Should be a rush to get this sorted as best they can before summer, IMO.

The cutoff points for the Hunter lockdowns were weird, ending at Muswellbrook and not including Aberdeen or Scone was a mistake and I would expect that to be extended.

Yeah, pretty weird...
I'm reading they'll extend lockdowns 2 weeks.
Likely, later today.

Feel sorry for everyone impacted, across the country.

Will be announced at 11 mate

Indeed.

I'll put on that Covid-19 channel on Foxtel and see what they have to say.

Hope you're holding up well Cochise.

Finding it tough, 7 weeks in. Its really hard for my daughter, it is getting to her and she was begging me last night to let her go to school for just one day. She is 8 and hasn't played with another kid for 7 weeks, it really is a little heart breaking to see the negative impact it is having on her.

That's rough.
There is no replacing the social aspect of schooling.
Hoping it works its self out soon.

The iPad and messenger for kids works a treat but isn't the same.

Yeah, I always said I wouldn't get her an ipad but relented for that very reason. Been buying things like totem tennis and things to keep her busy, but its hard when she is by herself and only has me to play with.

100%
You're aware but just a reminder, you're not the only one feeling this way. Hard time for all, unfortunately.

These lockdowns are isolating and no surprise the mental health hospitals and services are getting smashed.

Hope everyone's handling it the best they can, utilising whatever they have inside their homes to keep busy and keep their mind active.

This is a challenge and hopefully we'll all be stronger after conquering it.

Inbox is open for anyone feeling they need a chat.

Thanks mate, I'm actually feeling a lot better than I did last week.

Just going to jump in and say I completely understand how you feel. We have a 5 year old who has an anxiety disorder so he is really feeling it. He just wants to play all the time with me and we have really had to adjust our expectations around technology at home. We also have an 8 week old who has barely seen anyone outside the 3 of us since he was born. The kids are feeling this the most.

I'm not a big supporter of tech for kids, I don't like my daughter to have a lot of screen time. That has changed during the past 7 weeks, it is her connection to the outside world. We have a pretty good routine going now which I think it important. We spread he home learning out like it is school day with lunch and recess breaks and allow her to play inbetween. That works really well for my daughter and keeps her engaged.

I spent 20 years as a teacher and school principal and will state for everyone that the learning isn't important at the moment, don't worry about how much you are achieving or if you are completing everything. Routine and mental health is important for both yourself and your children, making them feel safe and secure is of the utmost importance through all this. What works for my family may be totally different for what works in yours. It is hard and everyone's tensions are frayed, including your kids, look after each other and everyone will get through this.

My daughter just told me she has had enough of me and my music lol.

Yep agree the learning isn’t the important part now. I work in education in a role supporting 20 schools with wellbeing and disability concerns and a lot of parents are calling freaking out about the educational side of things and it is hard to get them to see that that shouldn’t be the focus at the moment

I have two kids going through their HSC (year 11) now and its an added layer of pressure in lockdown. One daughter thriving on it, crushing the other.

It’s really tough on the high school kids as some are struggling away from school and others are doing better then they would at school. Adjustments will come down the track to make sure it is equitable for all

 

[earl]

A lot of younger people are opting for AZ. ***Those who are under 60 and without medical conditions need to get the AZ.*** You shouldn't have to make the choice but that is the reality of the situation.

Strongly disagree with this.

The Government recommendations ***were*** (and remain outside of NSW) that those under 60 should not get AZ due to the slightly increased risk of clots.

For me, its a different reason. Both AZ and Pfizer provide around 95% protection against death, both provide around 85% protection against significant illness (hospitalisation) and there is nothing between them, however there is a massive difference between them when it comes to prevention of contracting Delta. AZ is around 65% and Pfizer is around 85%. For me its an easy decision and a decision that I need to be selfish about. I hate when people say that "people should get the AZ quickly for the good of society". I am making the decision to get vaccinated on behalf of other people ,I am making the decision to get Pfizer for me and its no one elses business.

Perhaps it is my former occupation but it is not all about me.

He actually said he was getting vaccinated for other people.

That's true. I am eligible for Pfizer but opted for AZ for obvious reasons.

Can I ask why ? I think it's great. The AZ vaccine is produced at cost and the risks to taking it a really low. The Pfizer vaccine costs a bomb.

 

[earl]

A lot of younger people are opting for AZ. Those who are under 60 and without medical conditions need to get the AZ. You shouldn't have to make the choice but that is the reality of the situation.

You do have some options.

If you are over 60 (maybe 50) you should be getting the AZ.

If you are under 60 then the situation changes. Most of the blood clotting issues appear to be in females. My daughter is 20 (it's her 20th birthday today) she is getting the Pfizer and waiting until September for her first shot. I'm actually glad of this. She doesn't really leave the house. You'd have to take a risk assessment based on how often you are going out and your risk profile in relation to something bad happening from getting vaccinated.

Individually though you are crazy to think that you aren't getting COVID at some point. You either get a nice little helper from the vaccine or you take your chances.

It's like clock work though. The unvaccinated are the ones who will die and get sick.

Good post. I opted for AZ as the only available vaccine. I am older and to see younger couples and singles opting for AZ was uplifting. Mind you I don't believe we should have had to make the choice but that is the situation in which we find ourselves. My parents are in their 80s and both opted for AZ. My sister, brother in law and her children are all medical professionals and opted for AZ.

I just asked why but your response is great. I got the Pfizer but only because when I applied to get it that was the only option.

My parents are over 70 and the got the AZ vaccine straight away.

My dad is a retired doctor and mum a retired nurse. Dad has so many health problems. This is what gets me about people over 70 and with health problems not taking the AZ. It's freaken bonkers.

 

[earl]

My wife has banished me, my guitars and electric bass to the shed for the duration of our lockdown.

Completely off topic on COVID but I play guitar. You plug it into your computer for like $50 or something. I get free Amps, free drum machines and you can play songs on YT and play over them. You could play any music and play over it.

Then you listen to that through your headphones.

It's freaken awesome.

 

[Tiger5150]

you will feel better about our situation.

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Just a note of caution as well. Efficacy is a very funny indicator. I think Pfizer did their testing when the virus wasn't as rife so the figures look better than that they are. So if 20 people out of 100 in the community have COVID you are going to get different efficacy rates compare to 5 people out of 100 having COVID.

You are *cautioning* us? Based on your status as an expert in what field? You think Pfizer did their testing when the virus wasnt as rife so their figures look better? I have not heard such ridiculous and misleading rubbish in this thread. You think a multi billion dollar pharma business tests efficacy by throwing it out into the population and seeing how it goes? They dont test efficacy in randomized double blind trials? You have a long and well defined history in thread of telling people that they *"dont understand science"* and yet you seem to think that Pfizer cant run a randomized double blind efficacy trial.....wow....seriously wow. Im serious, if you think that is how they test this vaccine, you shouldnt be taking it.





***In Israel they have also seen a fairly steep decline in the efficacy with the Pfizer over like 6 months.*** So more vaccinated people are getting the virus. The efficacy in relation to hospitalization and deaths is though holding up really well.

What happened to your noble stance against misinformation? This statement is incredibly misleading. Pfizer (as all vaccines) was designed based on the Alpha variant and is around 95% effective in stopping contracting the Alpha. It is less effective against contraction of Delta (as are all vaccines) and this efficacy drops to 85% against the Delta variant. The efficacy of Pfizer has NOT dropped in Israel, the percentage of the Delta variant in the population has increased. Tell the truth, based on actual information.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

A lot of younger people are opting for AZ. Those who are under 60 and without medical conditions need to get the AZ. You shouldn't have to make the choice but that is the reality of the situation.

You do have some options.

If you are over 60 (maybe 50) you should be getting the AZ.

Why? If I was over 60 (Im not), why shouldnt I be able to have access to a vaccine that provides 85% protection for contracting COVID against 65%?


Individually though you are crazy to think that you aren't getting COVID at some point. You either get a nice little helper from the vaccine or you take your chances.

Really? That is your opinion? Based on? you seem to like to pluck things out of nowhere but scientific data is showing Pfizer 85% effective against contracting Covid and AZ 65%. You know better than the scientists though?


It's like clock work though. The unvaccinated are the ones who will die and get sick.

**Is that how clocks work?**

Absolutely. If you don't vaccinate a clock, it'll die. Didn't you know that?

 

[gregjm87]

A lot of younger people are opting for AZ. ***Those who are under 60 and without medical conditions need to get the AZ.*** You shouldn't have to make the choice but that is the reality of the situation.

Strongly disagree with this.

The Government recommendations ***were*** (and remain outside of NSW) that those under 60 should not get AZ due to the slightly increased risk of clots.

For me, its a different reason. Both AZ and Pfizer provide around 95% protection against death, both provide around 85% protection against significant illness (hospitalisation) and there is nothing between them, however there is a massive difference between them when it comes to prevention of contracting Delta. AZ is around 65% and Pfizer is around 85%. For me its an easy decision and a decision that I need to be selfish about. I hate when people say that "people should get the AZ quickly for the good of society". I am making the decision to get vaccinated on behalf of other people ,I am making the decision to get Pfizer for me and its no one elses business.

Perhaps it is my former occupation but it is not all about me.

He actually said he was getting vaccinated for other people.

That's true. I am eligible for Pfizer but opted for AZ for obvious reasons.

Can I ask why ? I think it's great. The AZ vaccine is produced at cost and the risks to taking it a really low. The Pfizer vaccine costs a bomb.

I will answer as i have done the same (am 34). I have a second job at Woolworths (currently my primary job as my sole trader business is closed down as I live in an LGA of concern).
Despite falling in category 2B as i have an autoimmune disease (i would make the same decisions even if this wasn't the case) i was told i was unlikely to have access to Pfizer until the end of the year.
Given im active in the community (and in a higher risk area) for about 30hrs a week I essentially wanted whatever protection I could get rather than wait 6 months for the 'best' protection.

But, I totally understand someone less active e.g. working from home waiting for Pfizer and respect their decision to do so.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

A lot of younger people are opting for AZ. ***Those who are under 60 and without medical conditions need to get the AZ.*** You shouldn't have to make the choice but that is the reality of the situation.

Strongly disagree with this.

The Government recommendations ***were*** (and remain outside of NSW) that those under 60 should not get AZ due to the slightly increased risk of clots.

For me, its a different reason. Both AZ and Pfizer provide around 95% protection against death, both provide around 85% protection against significant illness (hospitalisation) and there is nothing between them, however there is a massive difference between them when it comes to prevention of contracting Delta. AZ is around 65% and Pfizer is around 85%. For me its an easy decision and a decision that I need to be selfish about. I hate when people say that "people should get the AZ quickly for the good of society". I am making the decision to get vaccinated on behalf of other people ,I am making the decision to get Pfizer for me and its no one elses business.

Perhaps it is my former occupation but it is not all about me.

He actually said he was getting vaccinated for other people.

That's true. I am eligible for Pfizer but opted for AZ for obvious reasons.

Can I ask why ? I think it's great. The AZ vaccine is produced at cost and the risks to taking it a really low. The Pfizer vaccine costs a bomb.

Why? The same reason everyone else under 60 is choosing AZ over Pfizer. They simply cannot get vaccinated due to it's scarcity.

 

[weststigers]

As the resident Negative Nancy, I think if covid has not been eliminated and we open up, even with 70% vaccination rates, it will be a disaster for our health system. It is all well and good to say the unvaccinated chose their fate, but if the health system can't cope it means anyone who is sick for any reason suffers.

In UK where 70% of the population has had at least one jab there were 23,000 new cases and 146 covid deaths yesterday. Israel at 65% (with a population only one third of our population) had 4,000 new cases and 12 new deaths. America at 60% had 101,000 new cases and 657 new deaths yesterday.

So if we plan to emulate the UK, adjusted for population **we are looking at maybe 10,000 new cases and 60 new covid deaths every day**. I can't believe people are advocating this, when a couple of months ago we had it at effectively zero, and New Zealand still has it at zero.

What are these numbers based on?

I posted the Doherty Institute modelling the other day. The numbers are nowhere near that high.

Based on the UK's numbers, reduced to account for our smaller population.

They are only just nudging 60% fully vaccinated and still recovering from massive infection rates due to their appalling response to the pandemic. Much different to the 70% fully vaccinated target Australia needs to hit before considering 'opening up' and 'almost eradicated' approach we've taken in our response.

Very different climate/population density and lifestyle there too.

Go and read the modelling that was provided to Nat Cab (I have since edited my previous post and provided the links again) - you will feel better about our situation.

UK vax numbers are high (relative to the rest of the world). Death rates are around mid 80's per day (7 day rolling average). Death rates in the UK for Influenza on an annual basis average mid 60's per day. It is getting to the point where it is a normal transmissble disease in the UK and life will return to "normal".

For the millionth time, I am not equating COVID and Influenza, but this is the future for all of us

Serious question.

when you researched Influenza deaths at around 60 per day. Is there any data available around what age groups are affected? It would be interesting to compare the data with COVID-19....

I'm just wondering whether the 80 or so COVID deaths per day are spread across age groups in some way vs Influenza where my uneducated assumption is that the flu is more likely to affect older patients that are in a bad way already.

 

[Tiger5150]

A lot of younger people are opting for AZ. ***Those who are under 60 and without medical conditions need to get the AZ.*** You shouldn't have to make the choice but that is the reality of the situation.

Strongly disagree with this.

The Government recommendations ***were*** (and remain outside of NSW) that those under 60 should not get AZ due to the slightly increased risk of clots.

For me, its a different reason. Both AZ and Pfizer provide around 95% protection against death, both provide around 85% protection against significant illness (hospitalisation) and there is nothing between them, however there is a massive difference between them when it comes to prevention of contracting Delta. AZ is around 65% and Pfizer is around 85%. For me its an easy decision and a decision that I need to be selfish about. I hate when people say that "people should get the AZ quickly for the good of society". I am making the decision to get vaccinated on behalf of other people ,I am making the decision to get Pfizer for me and its no one elses business.

Perhaps it is my former occupation but it is not all about me.

He actually said he was getting vaccinated for other people.

That's true. I am eligible for Pfizer but opted for AZ for obvious reasons.

Serious question (not having a go at you). What are the obvious reasons to get AZ? For mine the obvious choise would be Pfizer based AZ being (incredibly) slightly less safe and significantly less effective.

What are your obvious reasons to go the other way (your opinion and choices are yours and obviously valid)?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

A lot of younger people are opting for AZ. ***Those who are under 60 and without medical conditions need to get the AZ.*** You shouldn't have to make the choice but that is the reality of the situation.

Strongly disagree with this.

The Government recommendations ***were*** (and remain outside of NSW) that those under 60 should not get AZ due to the slightly increased risk of clots.

For me, its a different reason. Both AZ and Pfizer provide around 95% protection against death, both provide around 85% protection against significant illness (hospitalisation) and there is nothing between them, however there is a massive difference between them when it comes to prevention of contracting Delta. AZ is around 65% and Pfizer is around 85%. For me its an easy decision and a decision that I need to be selfish about. I hate when people say that "people should get the AZ quickly for the good of society". I am making the decision to get vaccinated on behalf of other people ,I am making the decision to get Pfizer for me and its no one elses business.

Perhaps it is my former occupation but it is not all about me.

He actually said he was getting vaccinated for other people.

That's true. I am eligible for Pfizer but opted for AZ for obvious reasons.

Can I ask why ? I think it's great. The AZ vaccine is produced at cost and the risks to taking it a really low. The Pfizer vaccine costs a bomb.

I will answer as i have done the same (am 34). I have a second job at Woolworths (currently my primary job as my sole trader business is closed down as I live in an LGA of concern).
Despite falling in category 2B as i have an autoimmune disease (i would make the same decisions even if this wasn't the case) i was told i was unlikely to have access to Pfizer until the end of the year.
Given im active in the community (and in a higher risk area) for about 30hrs a week I essentially wanted whatever protection I could get rather than wait 6 months for the 'best' protection.

But, I totally understand someone less active e.g. working from home waiting for Pfizer and respect their decision to do so.

Hi Greg, I would have thought you'd be able to get in earlier since you have health complications. Keep scouring for appointments because people appear to be cancelling all the time, or have you already had your shot(s)?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

A lot of younger people are opting for AZ. ***Those who are under 60 and without medical conditions need to get the AZ.*** You shouldn't have to make the choice but that is the reality of the situation.

Strongly disagree with this.

The Government recommendations ***were*** (and remain outside of NSW) that those under 60 should not get AZ due to the slightly increased risk of clots.

For me, its a different reason. Both AZ and Pfizer provide around 95% protection against death, both provide around 85% protection against significant illness (hospitalisation) and there is nothing between them, however there is a massive difference between them when it comes to prevention of contracting Delta. AZ is around 65% and Pfizer is around 85%. For me its an easy decision and a decision that I need to be selfish about. I hate when people say that "people should get the AZ quickly for the good of society". I am making the decision to get vaccinated on behalf of other people ,I am making the decision to get Pfizer for me and its no one elses business.

Perhaps it is my former occupation but it is not all about me.

He actually said he was getting vaccinated for other people.

That's true. I am eligible for Pfizer but opted for AZ for obvious reasons.

Serious question (not having a go at you). What are the obvious reasons to get AZ? For mine the obvious choise would be Pfizer based AZ being (incredibly) slightly less safe and significantly less effective.

What are your obvious reasons to go the other way (your opinion and choices are yours and obviously valid)?

Most likely availability.

 

[TillLindemann]

As the resident Negative Nancy, I think if covid has not been eliminated and we open up, even with 70% vaccination rates, it will be a disaster for our health system. It is all well and good to say the unvaccinated chose their fate, but if the health system can't cope it means anyone who is sick for any reason suffers.

In UK where 70% of the population has had at least one jab there were 23,000 new cases and 146 covid deaths yesterday. Israel at 65% (with a population only one third of our population) had 4,000 new cases and 12 new deaths. America at 60% had 101,000 new cases and 657 new deaths yesterday.

So if we plan to emulate the UK, adjusted for population **we are looking at maybe 10,000 new cases and 60 new covid deaths every day**. I can't believe people are advocating this, when a couple of months ago we had it at effectively zero, and New Zealand still has it at zero.

What are these numbers based on?

I posted the Doherty Institute modelling the other day. The numbers are nowhere near that high.

Based on the UK's numbers, reduced to account for our smaller population.

They are only just nudging 60% fully vaccinated and still recovering from massive infection rates due to their appalling response to the pandemic. Much different to the 70% fully vaccinated target Australia needs to hit before considering 'opening up' and 'almost eradicated' approach we've taken in our response.

Very different climate/population density and lifestyle there too.

Go and read the modelling that was provided to Nat Cab (I have since edited my previous post and provided the links again) - you will feel better about our situation.

UK vax numbers are high (relative to the rest of the world). Death rates are around mid 80's per day (7 day rolling average). Death rates in the UK for Influenza on an annual basis average mid 60's per day. It is getting to the point where it is a normal transmissble disease in the UK and life will return to "normal".

For the millionth time, I am not equating COVID and Influenza, but this is the future for all of us

Yeah I get your point. I just think it is very unfortunate that we threw away effectively zero cases, and just a couple of months later we are resigning ourselves to living with this kind of unnecessary death and misery. And don't forget those British numbers are for summer, winter is worse.

 

[Tiger5150]

As the resident Negative Nancy, I think if covid has not been eliminated and we open up, even with 70% vaccination rates, it will be a disaster for our health system. It is all well and good to say the unvaccinated chose their fate, but if the health system can't cope it means anyone who is sick for any reason suffers.

In UK where 70% of the population has had at least one jab there were 23,000 new cases and 146 covid deaths yesterday. Israel at 65% (with a population only one third of our population) had 4,000 new cases and 12 new deaths. America at 60% had 101,000 new cases and 657 new deaths yesterday.

So if we plan to emulate the UK, adjusted for population **we are looking at maybe 10,000 new cases and 60 new covid deaths every day**. I can't believe people are advocating this, when a couple of months ago we had it at effectively zero, and New Zealand still has it at zero.

What are these numbers based on?

I posted the Doherty Institute modelling the other day. The numbers are nowhere near that high.

Based on the UK's numbers, reduced to account for our smaller population.

They are only just nudging 60% fully vaccinated and still recovering from massive infection rates due to their appalling response to the pandemic. Much different to the 70% fully vaccinated target Australia needs to hit before considering 'opening up' and 'almost eradicated' approach we've taken in our response.

Very different climate/population density and lifestyle there too.

Go and read the modelling that was provided to Nat Cab (I have since edited my previous post and provided the links again) - you will feel better about our situation.

UK vax numbers are high (relative to the rest of the world). Death rates are around mid 80's per day (7 day rolling average). Death rates in the UK for Influenza on an annual basis average mid 60's per day. It is getting to the point where it is a normal transmissble disease in the UK and life will return to "normal".

For the millionth time, I am not equating COVID and Influenza, but this is the future for all of us

Serious question.

when you researched Influenza deaths at around 60 per day. Is there any data available around what age groups are affected? It would be interesting to compare the data with COVID-19....

I'm just wondering whether the 80 or so COVID deaths per day are spread across age groups in some way vs Influenza where my uneducated assumption is that the flu is more likely to affect older patients that are in a bad way already.

The data I got that from did not have it split into age groups, however I am sure I have read (cant point to data right now) that Influenza kills a wider range (more young people as a % of total deaths).

My data for UK flu deaths
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1676118/
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/influenzadeathsin20182019and2020

EDIT: just noted when I went back and checked that data that the daily deaths annualised for Influenza with pneumonia (caused by the influenza) is 80 per day which is the same as the current 7 day rolling average for COVID in the UK.

 

[gregjm87]

A lot of younger people are opting for AZ. ***Those who are under 60 and without medical conditions need to get the AZ.*** You shouldn't have to make the choice but that is the reality of the situation.

Strongly disagree with this.

The Government recommendations ***were*** (and remain outside of NSW) that those under 60 should not get AZ due to the slightly increased risk of clots.

For me, its a different reason. Both AZ and Pfizer provide around 95% protection against death, both provide around 85% protection against significant illness (hospitalisation) and there is nothing between them, however there is a massive difference between them when it comes to prevention of contracting Delta. AZ is around 65% and Pfizer is around 85%. For me its an easy decision and a decision that I need to be selfish about. I hate when people say that "people should get the AZ quickly for the good of society". I am making the decision to get vaccinated on behalf of other people ,I am making the decision to get Pfizer for me and its no one elses business.

Perhaps it is my former occupation but it is not all about me.

He actually said he was getting vaccinated for other people.

That's true. I am eligible for Pfizer but opted for AZ for obvious reasons.

Can I ask why ? I think it's great. The AZ vaccine is produced at cost and the risks to taking it a really low. The Pfizer vaccine costs a bomb.

I will answer as i have done the same (am 34). I have a second job at Woolworths (currently my primary job as my sole trader business is closed down as I live in an LGA of concern).
Despite falling in category 2B as i have an autoimmune disease (i would make the same decisions even if this wasn't the case) i was told i was unlikely to have access to Pfizer until the end of the year.
Given im active in the community (and in a higher risk area) for about 30hrs a week I essentially wanted whatever protection I could get rather than wait 6 months for the 'best' protection.

But, I totally understand someone less active e.g. working from home waiting for Pfizer and respect their decision to do so.

Hi Greg, I would have thought you'd be able to get in earlier since you have health complications. Keep scouring for appointments because people appear to be cancelling all the time, or have you already had your shot(s)?

Thanks, I was on mutliple waiting lists, but told by the local centre they were not expecting to have Pfizer available until next year. Other centres could not provide any estimated time frame. I had already got my first AZ when another centre contacted me saying i could now book (over 6 months after being put on a waiting list and still 3 months between when they contacted me and a spot was available). My 2nd AZ shot is booked in for 3 weeks time

 

[earl]

A lot of younger people are opting for AZ. ***Those who are under 60 and without medical conditions need to get the AZ.*** You shouldn't have to make the choice but that is the reality of the situation.

Strongly disagree with this.

The Government recommendations ***were*** (and remain outside of NSW) that those under 60 should not get AZ due to the slightly increased risk of clots.

For me, its a different reason. Both AZ and Pfizer provide around 95% protection against death, both provide around 85% protection against significant illness (hospitalisation) and there is nothing between them, however there is a massive difference between them when it comes to prevention of contracting Delta. AZ is around 65% and Pfizer is around 85%. For me its an easy decision and a decision that I need to be selfish about. I hate when people say that "people should get the AZ quickly for the good of society". I am making the decision to get vaccinated on behalf of other people ,I am making the decision to get Pfizer for me and its no one elses business.

Perhaps it is my former occupation but it is not all about me.

He actually said he was getting vaccinated for other people.

That's true. I am eligible for Pfizer but opted for AZ for obvious reasons.

Can I ask why ? I think it's great. The AZ vaccine is produced at cost and the risks to taking it a really low. The Pfizer vaccine costs a bomb.

I will answer as i have done the same (am 34). I have a second job at Woolworths (currently my primary job as my sole trader business is closed down as I live in an LGA of concern).
Despite falling in category 2B as i have an autoimmune disease (i would make the same decisions even if this wasn't the case) i was told i was unlikely to have access to Pfizer until the end of the year.
Given im active in the community (and in a higher risk area) for about 30hrs a week I essentially wanted whatever protection I could get rather than wait 6 months for the 'best' protection.

But, I totally understand someone less active e.g. working from home waiting for Pfizer and respect their decision to do so.

Perfect. You've made a rational risk based decision.

I can understand being a little risk averse but people in my opinion are stupid. They are honestly not taking a really good vaccine in the AZ vaccine and they are over 70. It kills me. These people are dropping like flies when they get COVID and they don't get vaccinated.

The way I see it is that it's coming. We can't stop it. Get vaccinated and give yourself the best possible chance.

There are going to be so many people who are unvaccinated and some of them are going to get really sick and some will die. It's not rational. Maybe it's rational in like ,000001% of cases.

I'm going to give up caring though. My family is getting vaccinated. We aren't the ones who will suffer.