Coronavirus Outbreak

[jadtiger]

>Funnily enough she didnt mention the friends name.As Harry Hoo would say AMAZING

A like for the Harry Hoo reference - most of the board will have no idea.

As a Get Smart fan from way back it just popped into my head as i was typing.I still laugh thinking about that show

 

[hank37w]

Amazing to think people still think this way...gotta be a gee up

They’ll come around soon enough when they realise they can’t do anything without it.

No, not a gee up but reality. See I'll get vaccinated providing I feel safe with it, was thinking of Moderna but today read about 2 deaths in Japan from it in their 30s, people unlikely to have died from the virus. And 1 death from Pfiizer in NZ.
And then once vaccinated am I safe or only in a relative sense? Will I feel free or still restricted And will I need boosters every 6 months?

See if I don't feel safe with the vaccine I'm better off taking my chances with the virus,at the end of the day catching it hopefully light is the best proven long term immunity

Furthermore, once vaccinated why will I need to check in with QR codes? Imagine one could go to a WT game check in, see a heartless loss and then get told you are a close contact and have to self isolate for 2 weeks. Then there could be another variant and back in lockdown.

Right from the very beginning the way this was handled from China down, makes one wonder how in this day and age experts could get this so wrong. Does anybody remember the WHO in January 2020 coming out and saying that the virus only transmits from animals to people not people to people! Why didn't experts around the world advise their governments to isolate China before Xmas 2019. Then we heard vacines will give us herd immunity etc etc.

I've lost confidence and am starting to believe restrictions will be long term.
Hope I'm wrong.

The lockdowns won’t last. There will be a revolution if they go beyond Christmas, if not sooner.

Lol in form of what, protests? I’ve never known a group of people in such a position of weakness, act as if they are in such a position of power.

No, but people are fed up. I hear the same every day from all sorts of people from all economic circumstances. The clock is ticking, and the lockdowns must end soon otherwise Governments will suffer the consequences when their constituents turn on them.

I agree.

Said it since the start...

Good luck keeping Australians locked inside on 35 degree days when there's beaches close by.

Needs to be sorted by summer.

Hoping we are nearing that 70%

I'll bet Gladys is nervous as hell as we approach that 70% target, wondering what promises of freedom she will have to renege on as pressures on our health system increase by the day.

I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are very irate about the continual promises and carrot dangling by her as we approached the last vaccination target only to be given stuff all.

I just get the feeling that as we get towards 70% that the goal post is moved to 80% and who knows where we go to after that.

 

[nuggetron]

Amazing to think people still think this way...gotta be a gee up

They’ll come around soon enough when they realise they can’t do anything without it.

No, not a gee up but reality. See I'll get vaccinated providing I feel safe with it, was thinking of Moderna but today read about 2 deaths in Japan from it in their 30s, people unlikely to have died from the virus. And 1 death from Pfiizer in NZ.
And then once vaccinated am I safe or only in a relative sense? Will I feel free or still restricted And will I need boosters every 6 months?

See if I don't feel safe with the vaccine I'm better off taking my chances with the virus,at the end of the day catching it hopefully light is the best proven long term immunity

Furthermore, once vaccinated why will I need to check in with QR codes? Imagine one could go to a WT game check in, see a heartless loss and then get told you are a close contact and have to self isolate for 2 weeks. Then there could be another variant and back in lockdown.

Right from the very beginning the way this was handled from China down, makes one wonder how in this day and age experts could get this so wrong. Does anybody remember the WHO in January 2020 coming out and saying that the virus only transmits from animals to people not people to people! Why didn't experts around the world advise their governments to isolate China before Xmas 2019. Then we heard vacines will give us herd immunity etc etc.

I've lost confidence and am starting to believe restrictions will be long term.
Hope I'm wrong.

The lockdowns won’t last. There will be a revolution if they go beyond Christmas, if not sooner.

Lol in form of what, protests? I’ve never known a group of people in such a position of weakness, act as if they are in such a position of power.

No, but people are fed up. I hear the same every day from all sorts of people from all economic circumstances. The clock is ticking, and the lockdowns must end soon otherwise Governments will suffer the consequences when their constituents turn on them.

I agree.

Said it since the start...

Good luck keeping Australians locked inside on 35 degree days when there's beaches close by.

Needs to be sorted by summer.

Hoping we are nearing that 70%

I'll bet Gladys is nervous as hell as we approach that 70% target, wondering what promises of freedom she will have to renege on as pressures on our health system increase by the day.

I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are very irate about the continual promises and carrot dangling by her as we approached the last vaccination target only to be given stuff all.

I just get the feeling that as we get towards 70% that the goal post is moved to 80% and who knows where we go to after that.

isn't it double dosed or is it just single dosed?
I noticed that pfizer vaccines are now getting booked in for single dose and then 8 weeks for the 2nd despite pfizer saying 3 weeks? both my sister and my pregnant wife have an 8 week wait between shots

 

[cochise]

Amazing to think people still think this way...gotta be a gee up

They’ll come around soon enough when they realise they can’t do anything without it.

No, not a gee up but reality. See I'll get vaccinated providing I feel safe with it, was thinking of Moderna but today read about 2 deaths in Japan from it in their 30s, people unlikely to have died from the virus. And 1 death from Pfiizer in NZ.
And then once vaccinated am I safe or only in a relative sense? Will I feel free or still restricted And will I need boosters every 6 months?

See if I don't feel safe with the vaccine I'm better off taking my chances with the virus,at the end of the day catching it hopefully light is the best proven long term immunity

Furthermore, once vaccinated why will I need to check in with QR codes? Imagine one could go to a WT game check in, see a heartless loss and then get told you are a close contact and have to self isolate for 2 weeks. Then there could be another variant and back in lockdown.

Right from the very beginning the way this was handled from China down, makes one wonder how in this day and age experts could get this so wrong. Does anybody remember the WHO in January 2020 coming out and saying that the virus only transmits from animals to people not people to people! Why didn't experts around the world advise their governments to isolate China before Xmas 2019. Then we heard vacines will give us herd immunity etc etc.

I've lost confidence and am starting to believe restrictions will be long term.
Hope I'm wrong.

The lockdowns won’t last. There will be a revolution if they go beyond Christmas, if not sooner.

Lol in form of what, protests? I’ve never known a group of people in such a position of weakness, act as if they are in such a position of power.

No, but people are fed up. I hear the same every day from all sorts of people from all economic circumstances. The clock is ticking, and the lockdowns must end soon otherwise Governments will suffer the consequences when their constituents turn on them.

I agree.

Said it since the start...

Good luck keeping Australians locked inside on 35 degree days when there's beaches close by.

Needs to be sorted by summer.

Hoping we are nearing that 70%

I'll bet Gladys is nervous as hell as we approach that 70% target, wondering what promises of freedom she will have to renege on as pressures on our health system increase by the day.

I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are very irate about the continual promises and carrot dangling by her as we approached the last vaccination target only to be given stuff all.

I just get the feeling that as we get towards 70% that the goal post is moved to 80% and who knows where we go to after that.

isn't it double dosed or is it just single dosed?
I noticed that pfizer vaccines are now getting booked in for single dose and then 8 weeks for the 2nd despite pfizer saying 3 weeks? both my sister and my pregnant wife have an 8 week wait between shots

We are just about to hit 70% single dose, 70% double dose should be about 8 weeks away now.

 

[Guest]

When you have five scum caught by Police at Leppington all of whom are Covid positive (and knew it and were supposedly isolating), the situation in the South West and West will never improve but get worse.

While I agree, to a degree, lets put it into perspective. All five were already Covid positive, sitting at a table on the footpath. As long as they didn't interact with anyone else they were not endangering the community. To call them scum is a bit over the top. Yes they breached health orders and should have been fined but let's not vilify them for this act.

Why not? You don't know who they may have come into contact with. They should have been arrested for violating the health laws in this instance - they knew what they were supposed to be doing and flagrantly disregarded the direction to stay at home and self isolate. Calling them scum is being polite to be frank.

 

[mike]

When you have five scum caught by Police at Leppington all of whom are Covid positive (and knew it and were supposedly isolating), the situation in the South West and West will never improve but get worse.

While I agree, to a degree, lets put it into perspective. All five were already Covid positive, sitting at a table on the footpath. As long as they didn't interact with anyone else they were not endangering the community. To call them scum is a bit over the top. Yes they breached health orders and should have been fined but let's not vilify them for this act.

Why not? You don't know who they may have come into contact with. They should have been arrested for violating the health laws in this instance - they knew what they were supposed to be doing and flagrantly disregarded the direction to stay at home and self isolate. Calling them scum is being polite to be frank.

And you don't know that they did come in contact with anyone or would have. They got a fine, that's all they deserved.

 

[nuggetron]

my wife is a bit hesitant being pregnant and all and i get that, all we can find is the one study with a pretty small sample size of about 60 vaxxed, 60 control and 60 unvaxxed and exposed to covid from an israel study https://www.jci.org/articles/view/150319
anyone have anything else to help her ease her mind in terms of pregnancy studies and not just agencies and government bodies saying do it

 

[hank37w]

Amazing to think people still think this way...gotta be a gee up

They’ll come around soon enough when they realise they can’t do anything without it.

No, not a gee up but reality. See I'll get vaccinated providing I feel safe with it, was thinking of Moderna but today read about 2 deaths in Japan from it in their 30s, people unlikely to have died from the virus. And 1 death from Pfiizer in NZ.
And then once vaccinated am I safe or only in a relative sense? Will I feel free or still restricted And will I need boosters every 6 months?

See if I don't feel safe with the vaccine I'm better off taking my chances with the virus,at the end of the day catching it hopefully light is the best proven long term immunity

Furthermore, once vaccinated why will I need to check in with QR codes? Imagine one could go to a WT game check in, see a heartless loss and then get told you are a close contact and have to self isolate for 2 weeks. Then there could be another variant and back in lockdown.

Right from the very beginning the way this was handled from China down, makes one wonder how in this day and age experts could get this so wrong. Does anybody remember the WHO in January 2020 coming out and saying that the virus only transmits from animals to people not people to people! Why didn't experts around the world advise their governments to isolate China before Xmas 2019. Then we heard vacines will give us herd immunity etc etc.

I've lost confidence and am starting to believe restrictions will be long term.
Hope I'm wrong.

The lockdowns won’t last. There will be a revolution if they go beyond Christmas, if not sooner.

Lol in form of what, protests? I’ve never known a group of people in such a position of weakness, act as if they are in such a position of power.

No, but people are fed up. I hear the same every day from all sorts of people from all economic circumstances. The clock is ticking, and the lockdowns must end soon otherwise Governments will suffer the consequences when their constituents turn on them.

I agree.

Said it since the start...

Good luck keeping Australians locked inside on 35 degree days when there's beaches close by.

Needs to be sorted by summer.

Hoping we are nearing that 70%

I'll bet Gladys is nervous as hell as we approach that 70% target, wondering what promises of freedom she will have to renege on as pressures on our health system increase by the day.

I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are very irate about the continual promises and carrot dangling by her as we approached the last vaccination target only to be given stuff all.

I just get the feeling that as we get towards 70% that the goal post is moved to 80% and who knows where we go to after that.

isn't it double dosed or is it just single dosed?
I noticed that pfizer vaccines are now getting booked in for single dose and then 8 weeks for the 2nd despite pfizer saying 3 weeks? both my sister and my pregnant wife have an 8 week wait between shots

Yes. I believe that the target is based on 70% to 80% double dosed, but as we get to that 70 to 80% single dose it is basically a guarantee that some weeks into the future the double dose figure is pretty much guaranteed to be achievement.

Unfortunately, both my son and daughter who fall into that 18-49 year old category have had their 1st Pfizer dose and also have to wait 8 weeks for their 2nd shot instead of the originally recommended 3 week period.

Obviously this is due to a shortage of Pfizer and trying to get as many jabs into arms as quickly as possible to get as many people as possible at least some protection. At the same time, with a glut of AstraZenica, the period between the 1st and 2nd jabs has been reduced from the originally recommended 12 week period to as little as 4 weeks I believe.

Both myself and my partner had the AstraZenica but actually waited the 12 weeks for our 2nd jab as I believe that provides the maximum effectiveness and as we tend to stick pretty close to home and thought that in our case it was probably worth waiting the full 12 weeks.

 

[Tiger5150]

Amazing to think people still think this way...gotta be a gee up

They’ll come around soon enough when they realise they can’t do anything without it.

No, not a gee up but reality. See I'll get vaccinated providing I feel safe with it, was thinking of Moderna but today read about 2 deaths in Japan from it in their 30s, people unlikely to have died from the virus. And 1 death from Pfiizer in NZ.
And then once vaccinated am I safe or only in a relative sense? Will I feel free or still restricted And will I need boosters every 6 months?

See if I don't feel safe with the vaccine I'm better off taking my chances with the virus,at the end of the day catching it hopefully light is the best proven long term immunity

Furthermore, once vaccinated why will I need to check in with QR codes? Imagine one could go to a WT game check in, see a heartless loss and then get told you are a close contact and have to self isolate for 2 weeks. Then there could be another variant and back in lockdown.

Right from the very beginning the way this was handled from China down, makes one wonder how in this day and age experts could get this so wrong. Does anybody remember the WHO in January 2020 coming out and saying that the virus only transmits from animals to people not people to people! Why didn't experts around the world advise their governments to isolate China before Xmas 2019. Then we heard vacines will give us herd immunity etc etc.

I've lost confidence and am starting to believe restrictions will be long term.
Hope I'm wrong.

The lockdowns won’t last. There will be a revolution if they go beyond Christmas, if not sooner.

Lol in form of what, protests? I’ve never known a group of people in such a position of weakness, act as if they are in such a position of power.

No, but people are fed up. I hear the same every day from all sorts of people from all economic circumstances. The clock is ticking, and the lockdowns must end soon otherwise Governments will suffer the consequences when their constituents turn on them.

I agree.

Said it since the start...

Good luck keeping Australians locked inside on 35 degree days when there's beaches close by.

Needs to be sorted by summer.

Hoping we are nearing that 70%

I'll bet Gladys is nervous as hell as we approach that 70% target, wondering what promises of freedom she will have to renege on as pressures on our health system increase by the day.

I'm pretty sure that the majority of people are very irate about the continual promises and carrot dangling by her as we approached the last vaccination target only to be given stuff all.

I just get the feeling that as we get towards 70% that the goal post is moved to 80% and who knows where we go to after that.

isn't it double dosed or is it just single dosed?
I noticed that pfizer vaccines are now getting booked in for single dose and then 8 weeks for the 2nd despite pfizer saying 3 weeks? both my sister and my pregnant wife have an 8 week wait between shots

Im booked in for first pfizer in 2 weeks and then the second 3 weeks after that

 

[coivtny]

my wife is a bit hesitant being pregnant and all and i get that, all we can find is the one study with a pretty small sample size of about 60 vaxxed, 60 control and 60 unvaxxed and exposed to covid from an israel study https://www.jci.org/articles/view/150319
anyone have anything else to help her ease her mind in terms of pregnancy studies and not just agencies and government bodies saying do it

I'm not a medico and wouldn't dare offer advice. My daughter-in-law is in the same position and hasn't taken a vaccine as yet. She's due to deliver mid-September and will get vaccinated after that. It's really a personal decision for pregnant women I think with the support of their doctors. I fully support my DIL's decision.
One thing I'd be interested to know is whether any level of protection is passed to a foetus when a pregnant woman is vaccinated and whether any level of protection is passed to a baby through breast milk.

 

[jadtiger]

As for immunity studies show that catching it provides better long term immunity.

You are quite correct as i am positive you cant get it again after you are dead

 

[Geo]

my wife is a bit hesitant being pregnant and all and i get that, all we can find is the one study with a pretty small sample size of about 60 vaxxed, 60 control and 60 unvaxxed and exposed to covid from an israel study https://www.jci.org/articles/view/150319
anyone have anything else to help her ease her mind in terms of pregnancy studies and not just agencies and government bodies saying do it

Talk to her Doctors.. for any advice

 

[nuggetron]

my wife is a bit hesitant being pregnant and all and i get that, all we can find is the one study with a pretty small sample size of about 60 vaxxed, 60 control and 60 unvaxxed and exposed to covid from an israel study https://www.jci.org/articles/view/150319
anyone have anything else to help her ease her mind in terms of pregnancy studies and not just agencies and government bodies saying do it

I'm not a medico and wouldn't dare offer advice. My daughter-in-law is in the same position and hasn't taken a vaccine as yet. She's due to deliver mid-September and will get vaccinated after that. It's really a personal decision for pregnant women I think with the support of their doctors. I fully support my DIL's decision.
One thing I'd be interested to know is whether any level of protection is passed to a foetus when a pregnant woman is vaccinated and whether any level of protection is passed to a baby through breast milk.

yeh the study above was way above my understanding but i believe it was saying it does pass to the foetus, whether in a good or bad way it doesn't really delve into it

she was against getting it whilst pregnant and breast feeding which was fine, until my LGA was surrounded by hot spots and us on a watch list
then she changed to after i give birth
and then now with the offer of seeing family, the cases growing and not looking to slow down (and losing control) and us heading the UK way of slowly opening up and leaving those behind she just booked in for this week but still has a great level of concern, speaking to the doctor today and the midwife to get as much reassurance as possible.
both scientific backgrounds so we put more weight in studies than the government bodies blindly saying get vaxxed its fine, especially when there is a lack of studies

i'm just glad it's not me in that situation

 

[coivtny]

my wife is a bit hesitant being pregnant and all and i get that, all we can find is the one study with a pretty small sample size of about 60 vaxxed, 60 control and 60 unvaxxed and exposed to covid from an israel study https://www.jci.org/articles/view/150319
anyone have anything else to help her ease her mind in terms of pregnancy studies and not just agencies and government bodies saying do it

I'm not a medico and wouldn't dare offer advice. My daughter-in-law is in the same position and hasn't taken a vaccine as yet. She's due to deliver mid-September and will get vaccinated after that. It's really a personal decision for pregnant women I think with the support of their doctors. I fully support my DIL's decision.
One thing I'd be interested to know is whether any level of protection is passed to a foetus when a pregnant woman is vaccinated and whether any level of protection is passed to a baby through breast milk.

yeh the study above was way above my understanding but i believe it was saying it does pass to the foetus, whether in a good or bad way it doesn't really delve into it

she was against getting it whilst pregnant and breast feeding which was fine, until my LGA was surrounded by hot spots and us on a watch list
then she changed to after i give birth
and then now with the offer of seeing family, the cases growing and not looking to slow down (and losing control) and us heading the UK way of slowly opening up and leaving those behind she just booked in for this week but still has a great level of concern, speaking to the doctor today and the midwife to get as much reassurance as possible.
both scientific backgrounds so we put more weight in studies than the government bodies blindly saying get vaxxed its fine, especially when there is a lack of studies

i'm just glad it's not me in that situation

I feel for you in this situation mate. For my son and DIL it was a relatively straightforward choice. But that is not always the case. Whichever way she goes best wishes to you and your wife for the birth of a beautiful, healthy baby.

 

[Geo]

Health Hazzard brushes vaccine availability for young ..

 

[cochise]

Any post stating that covid is a cold will be deleted.

 

[voice_of_reason]

Your entitled to your views but I don't agree with any of them. Not against vacines have had plenty but they need to get them right they have had virtually unlimited resources.

Point is nobody should get sick or die from a vaccine period.

You can argue my 'views' as much as you'd like but you can't argue the statistics.

If you choose not to get the vaccine you have a much higher chance of getting COVID, ending up in hospital, going to ICU, be on a ventilator and dying. These are not views, they're verifiable facts and are worldwide.

The irony is you don't want to have QR codes, masks and social distancing but refuse to get vaccinated. The only thing stopping you getting COVID now are these measures yet you decry them.

You have a fanciful view that COVID isn't dangerous - there's 4,500,000 dead so far and it's only been kept to that number due to vaccination.

As stated earlier I'm happy for you to disagree with my views, but the facts are indisputable.

 

[Tiger5150]

my wife is a bit hesitant being pregnant and all and i get that, all we can find is the one study with a pretty small sample size of about 60 vaxxed, 60 control and 60 unvaxxed and exposed to covid from an israel study https://www.jci.org/articles/view/150319
anyone have anything else to help her ease her mind in terms of pregnancy studies and not just agencies and government bodies saying do it

I'm not a medico and wouldn't dare offer advice. My daughter-in-law is in the same position and hasn't taken a vaccine as yet. She's due to deliver mid-September and will get vaccinated after that. It's really a personal decision for pregnant women I think with the support of their doctors. I fully support my DIL's decision.
One thing I'd be interested to know is whether any level of protection is passed to a foetus when a pregnant woman is vaccinated and whether any level of protection is passed to a baby through breast milk.

I am also not a medico and this is third hand information but a colleague of mine at work, who I believe implicitly and who's FIL is a doctor, his wife is pregnant and when they asked her ob/gyn about the vaccine his response was "I'm not allowed to say". No idea what that means. My mate is double vaxxed (by his FIL) but they are going to lock his wife inside unvaxxed until they stop breast feeding. Tough decision. Standard disclaimer, Im NOT a doctor, Im just passing on a true anecdote. People need to get the best medical advice they can.

 

[voice_of_reason]

Yes. I believe that the target is based on 70% to 80% double dosed, but as we get to that 70 to 80% single dose it is basically a guarantee that some weeks into the future the double dose figure is pretty much guaranteed to be achievement.

I wonder if there's been any drop off of people not getting their second shot. I'd like to think everyone will get their second - if they got the first they're clearly willing - but I wonder if there will be some complacency.

Unfortunately, both my son and daughter who fall into that 18-49 year old category have had their 1st Pfizer dose and also have to wait 8 weeks for their 2nd shot instead of the originally recommended 3 week period.

My son was part of the HSC program and got Pfizer. He's booked for his second in exactly 6 weeks. I was under the impression it couldn't go more than 42 days but perhaps they're updating their recommendations.

I had AZ and was supposed to wait 12 weeks for maximum protection. I have the 2nd shot at 5 weeks as they wanted faster protection over longevity. I'm expecting to need a booster around Easter.

 

[mike]

Your entitled to your views but I don't agree with any of them. Not against vacines have had plenty but they need to get them right they have had virtually unlimited resources.

Point is nobody should get sick or die from a vaccine period.

You can argue my 'views' as much as you'd like but you can't argue the statistics.

If you choose not to get the vaccine you have a much higher chance of getting COVID, ending up in hospital, going to ICU, be on a ventilator and dying. These are not views, they're verifiable facts and are worldwide.

The irony is you don't want to have QR codes, masks and social distancing but refuse to get vaccinated. The only thing stopping you getting COVID now are these measures yet you decry them.

You have a fanciful view that COVID isn't dangerous - there's 4,500,000 dead so far and it's only been kept to that number due to vaccination.

As stated earlier I'm happy for you to disagree with my views, but the facts are indisputable.

100% agree. It's always risk vs benefit. Nothing is ever 100% safe, not vaccines, not Panadol, hell people even die from drinking too much water. This risk of the vaccine in minuscule in comparison to Covid19. People just need to talk to their doctor and just get vaccinated if they can.