Coronavirus Outbreak

[Odessa]

Abstract from the paper I gave the link to the second link
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The extent to which severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) variants of
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concern (VOC) break through infection- or vaccine-induced immunity is not well understood. Here,
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we analyze 28,578 sequenced SARS-CoV-2 samples from individuals with known immune status
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obtained through national community testing in the Netherlands from March to August 2021. We
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find evidence for an increased risk of infection by the Beta (B.1.351), Gamma (P.1), or Delta
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(B.1.617.2) variants compared to the Alpha (B.1.1.7) variant after vaccination. No clear differences
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were found between vaccines. However, the effect was larger in the first 14-59 days after complete
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vaccination compared to 60 days and longer. In contrast to vaccine-induced immunity, no increased
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risk for reinfection with Beta, Gamma or Delta variants relative to Alpha variant was found in
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individuals with infection-induced immunity.

 

[ConePuncher]

Interesting discussion for those interested

https://www.bitchute.com/video/vea4oV9dhJ9j/


Only if you have constipation,that would be one of the most divisive hate filled websites on the planet

Sorry I should’ve said ‘for the open minded’

I assume by open minded you mean emotional and illogical and easily disproven with facts.

If only you idiots knew how appropriate your comments are to the link ?
Maybe look before you leap

It's pretty funny isn't it. Conspiracy theorists who make up stories/narratives to tell themselves rather than look at the facts.

I'm all for the data and the facts.

Vaccinated English adults under 60 are dying at twice the rate of unvaccinated people the same age https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/vaccinated-english-adults-under-60

That is because there is more than double the amount of vaccinated than unvaccinated people in the UK. You can't seriously be saying that the vaccine is causing more covid deaths than it is preventing. All the evidence points to the contrary, aside from that bizarre blog you linked.

No mate what's the article is saying that after you are vaccinated you have double the death rate from other things normal death rate in people before covid in western countries is 1.2 percent after you get vaccinated it jumps to around 2.6 but if your unvaccinated it's staying at 1.2 percent

There is study's now saying the vaccine turns off marker 4 and 6 in your DNA which helps prevention of cancer so who know what else it does to your inside remember it's an experiment the vaccine

It's not an experimental vaccine. The TGA does not have a pathway to authorise emergency use, that's a commonly discredited claim.

Interesting discussion for those interested

https://www.bitchute.com/video/vea4oV9dhJ9j/


Only if you have constipation,that would be one of the most divisive hate filled websites on the planet

Sorry I should’ve said ‘for the open minded’

I assume by open minded you mean emotional and illogical and easily disproven with facts.

If only you idiots knew how appropriate your comments are to the link ?
Maybe look before you leap

It's pretty funny isn't it. Conspiracy theorists who make up stories/narratives to tell themselves rather than look at the facts.

I'm all for the data and the facts.

Vaccinated English adults under 60 are dying at twice the rate of unvaccinated people the same age https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/vaccinated-english-adults-under-60

That is because there is more than double the amount of vaccinated than unvaccinated people in the UK. You can't seriously be saying that the vaccine is causing more covid deaths than it is preventing. All the evidence points to the contrary, aside from that bizarre blog you linked.

No mate what's the article is saying that after you are vaccinated you have double the death rate from other things normal death rate in people before covid in western countries is 1.2 percent after you get vaccinated it jumps to around 2.6 but if your unvaccinated it's staying at 1.2 percent

There is study's now saying the vaccine turns off marker 4 and 6 in your DNA which helps prevention of cancer so who know what else it does to your inside remember it's an experiment the vaccine

The vaccine is not experimental, it has been approved by the TGA. There is no method for the TGA to approve it experimentally, that's false. The reason it was created so quickly is because of the unprecedented collaboration and investment by governments and health bodies around the world. Instead of analysing the data at the end of the three stage clinical trial it was analysed as the clinical trial was held, which sped the process up.

I'd love to see evidence to back up your claim that it turns off marker four and six in your DNA which helps to prevent cancer.

 

[earl]

Interesting discussion for those interested

https://www.bitchute.com/video/vea4oV9dhJ9j/


Only if you have constipation,that would be one of the most divisive hate filled websites on the planet

Sorry I should’ve said ‘for the open minded’

So far natural immunity is holding up great against the variants as opposed to the vaccines which are demonstrating progressive failure. This paper is topical given the news on the recently discovered and heavily mutated Omicron variant out of Africa and spreading to Israel and Belgium.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.24.21266735v1.full.pdf

A couple of points on this one:-

1. Peer reviewed papers are fantastic. If you want to discuss a point that is where it should start.
2. There is a lot of junk science out there. You can't just randomly pick a paper that complies with your world view and state "here is the proof".

Just on this point here is a clear statement.

>Caution: Preprints are preliminary reports of work that have not been certified by peer review. They should not be relied on to guide clinical practice or health-related behavior and should not be reported in news media as established information.

 

[earl]

Interesting discussion for those interested

https://www.bitchute.com/video/vea4oV9dhJ9j/


Only if you have constipation,that would be one of the most divisive hate filled websites on the planet

Sorry I should’ve said ‘for the open minded’

So far natural immunity is holding up great against the variants as opposed to the vaccines which are demonstrating progressive failure. This paper is topical given the news on the recently discovered and heavily mutated Omicron variant out of Africa and spreading to Israel and Belgium.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.24.21266735v1.full.pdf

I just wanted to separate my spiel from the science and specifically this paper.

Please correct me if I haven't understood your point correctly as well.

I believe that this paper is stating that natural immunity provides better protection that being vaccinated. It is focused on variants.

I don't think that this is any different to the current science. Natural immunity definitely provides a broader immune response than vaccination.

I think though this is a moot point. Vaccinations improve your immune response significantly if you have contracted COVID or if you haven't contracted COVID. Unvaccinated die and get really sick a lot more than vaccinated. It doesn't change the facts about being vaccinated.

It is interesting when it comes to the Omicron variant. Firstly we do not have good information. The vaccines typically target the spike protein and the Omicron variant has had lots of changes (I think 32) to the spike protein. This is why people are concerned. Secondly I've heard it reported that people who have previously contracted the virus have been reinfected via the Omicron variant.

 

[earl]

Interesting discussion for those interested

https://www.bitchute.com/video/vea4oV9dhJ9j/


Only if you have constipation,that would be one of the most divisive hate filled websites on the planet

Sorry I should’ve said ‘for the open minded’

I assume by open minded you mean emotional and illogical and easily disproven with facts.

If only you idiots knew how appropriate your comments are to the link ?
Maybe look before you leap

It's pretty funny isn't it. Conspiracy theorists who make up stories/narratives to tell themselves rather than look at the facts.

I'm all for the data and the facts.

Vaccinated English adults under 60 are dying at twice the rate of unvaccinated people the same age https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/vaccinated-english-adults-under-60

That is because there is more than double the amount of vaccinated than unvaccinated people in the UK. You can't seriously be saying that the vaccine is causing more covid deaths than it is preventing. All the evidence points to the contrary, aside from that bizarre blog you linked.

No mate what's the article is saying that after you are vaccinated you have double the death rate from other things normal death rate in people before covid in western countries is 1.2 percent after you get vaccinated it jumps to around 2.6 but if your unvaccinated it's staying at 1.2 percent

There is study's now saying the vaccine turns off marker 4 and 6 in your DNA which helps prevention of cancer so who know what else it does to your inside remember it's an experiment the vaccine

No offense but this is dribble. It's just misinformation. It's targeted at people who are conspiracy theorists. Look at the name "Unreported Truths" The guy is also selling a book on COVID.

This is what kills me about conspiracy theorists and believing they are somehow special. You are simply being sold stuff from people to make money. You are a mark.

 

[Ultimate Warrior]

I’m pretty annoyed and stayed off this part of the forum because I have my two cents about it.

But now.. with this bull s! Around again just makes it very sus with everything going on.

What next, 2 boosters or lose your job..?

We haven’t had any freedom after they said get two vacs..

The last 2 weeks I’ve been in Katherine, Northern Territory no where near cases, double vaxxed and was only able to return to Darwin (3 hours away) a few days ago.

Now I have to quarantine at home for an additional 14 days and Check into an app 3 times a day.

This is ridiculous to me as I have been no where near cases, but only because I was in the same town for work.

Now this new virus, we’ll all lose our freedom again and it’ll be a never ending war between everyone.

P.S I feel so sorry for the people that have been in quarantine longer than 14 days, it’s hell and my mental health is crap.. no wonder half the forum was on edge, lockdown is the worst thing for a human being.

Let us all free and stuff the virus.

I couldn’t care less if I died or people died around me, we need the freedom in the world, not locked in a room like a green room getting lights from the UV rays.

Hang in there mate.

I did quarantine a few months ago with my 3 year old boy. Not easy.

Whilst I don’t want anyone to die of the virus, I do believe we need to live life as normal. It’s no different to terrorism. You can’t let them or the virus impact how you live your life.

Rip in lads, rip in!



Question do you think all this is about a virus or about control ?

I had some muppet cab driver the other day with this weird map of the world go on a rant saying that based on water elects and governments, a whole lot of people needed to die. What a goose.

I don’t know mate. Get vaxxed and play on I say

 

[leichhardtjunior]

Interesting discussion for those interested

https://www.bitchute.com/video/vea4oV9dhJ9j/


Only if you have constipation,that would be one of the most divisive hate filled websites on the planet

Sorry I should’ve said ‘for the open minded’

I assume by open minded you mean emotional and illogical and easily disproven with facts.

If only you idiots knew how appropriate your comments are to the link ?
Maybe look before you leap

It's pretty funny isn't it. Conspiracy theorists who make up stories/narratives to tell themselves rather than look at the facts.

I'm all for the data and the facts.

No you’re funny Earl. A funny little man who thinks he’s much more important than he is. Not sure what the conspiracy around a panel of academics discussing the science of cognitive dissonance is? I just think it’s an interesting topic, but you seem to upset by it?
Can’t imagine why. Are they taking about you or something?

 

[leichhardtjunior]

Interesting discussion for those interested

https://www.bitchute.com/video/vea4oV9dhJ9j/


Only if you have constipation,that would be one of the most divisive hate filled websites on the planet

Sorry I should’ve said ‘for the open minded’

I assume by open minded you mean emotional and illogical and easily disproven with facts.

If only you idiots knew how appropriate your comments are to the link ?
Maybe look before you leap

Idiots eh?
You know you've lost when you sink to this level

Is that a question or a statement?
Are you talking for yourself or others?
I just said because their argumentative responses we’re idiotic relative to what I posted.
If the shoe fits ?

 

[earl]

Interesting discussion for those interested

https://www.bitchute.com/video/vea4oV9dhJ9j/


Only if you have constipation,that would be one of the most divisive hate filled websites on the planet

Sorry I should’ve said ‘for the open minded’

I assume by open minded you mean emotional and illogical and easily disproven with facts.

If only you idiots knew how appropriate your comments are to the link ?
Maybe look before you leap

It's pretty funny isn't it. Conspiracy theorists who make up stories/narratives to tell themselves rather than look at the facts.

I'm all for the data and the facts.

No you’re funny Earl. A funny little man who thinks he’s much more important than he is. Not sure what the conspiracy around a panel of academics discussing the science of cognitive dissonance is? I just think it’s an interesting topic, but you seem to upset by it?
Can’t imagine why. Are they taking about you or something?

Why do you think I'm upset ? I also don't suffer from cognitive dissonance at all.

A good example of cognitive dissonance is posting a link to a PCR test being updated to provide testing on the flu as well as COVID in the one test and stating it was proof that the PCR test is inaccurate. That is cognitive dissonance. When reality doesn't compute go for the hail mary play.

I follow facts and science and data. Look at my response to Odessa's peer reviewed paper on immunity via contracting COVID compared to being vaccinated. All I care about is the facts.

 

[Odessa]

I don't know how you are not allowed to talk about something on on a forum it's the perfect place to discuss ideas and different options and articles and if people don't have the maturity to handle a different point of view then there own maybe they should not comment if there only come back is acting like a child and don't have the emotional intelligence to step back and think about it from a different point of view

Image the things you miss out on in life if your mind is so closed

 

[Odessa]

Interesting discussion for those interested

https://www.bitchute.com/video/vea4oV9dhJ9j/


Only if you have constipation,that would be one of the most divisive hate filled websites on the planet

Sorry I should’ve said ‘for the open minded’

I assume by open minded you mean emotional and illogical and easily disproven with facts.

If only you idiots knew how appropriate your comments are to the link ?
Maybe look before you leap

It's pretty funny isn't it. Conspiracy theorists who make up stories/narratives to tell themselves rather than look at the facts.

I'm all for the data and the facts.

No you’re funny Earl. A funny little man who thinks he’s much more important than he is. Not sure what the conspiracy around a panel of academics discussing the science of cognitive dissonance is? I just think it’s an interesting topic, but you seem to upset by it?
Can’t imagine why. Are they taking about you or something?

Why do you think I'm upset ? I also don't suffer from cognitive dissonance at all.

A good example of cognitive dissonance is posting a link to a PCR test being updated to provide testing on the flu as well as COVID in the one test and stating it was proof that the PCR test is inaccurate. That is cognitive dissonance. When reality doesn't compute go for the hail mary play.

I follow facts and science and data. Look at my response to Odessa's peer reviewed paper on immunity via contracting COVID compared to being vaccinated. All I care about is the facts.

Do you have telegram ?

 

[earl]

Image the things you miss out on in life if your mind is so closed

Whose mind is closed ? I honestly don't get it. It just sounds like ad-hominen attacks with no facts at all.

Make a rational coherent argument. I'll listen.

 

[swag_tiger]

Covid is a new virus, because it came about so recently no one has any antibodies for it because we had never seen anything like it. To get the antibodies you needed to have 1 of 2 things.
1. Catch the virus
2. Get the vaccination
You don't get immunity to a new virus overnight.

 

[leichhardtjunior]

Covid is a new virus, because it came about so recently no one has any antibodies for it because we had never seen anything like it. To get the antibodies you needed to have 1 of 2 things.
1. Catch the virus
2. Get the vaccination
You don't get immunity to a new virus overnight.

For a healthy person not of advanced age, catching the virus and being able to treat it with proven effective and safe medications like Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) etc., and thereby naturally developing the best immunity possible would seem to be the safe option to me. I personally see a vaccine injury as a bigger risk for me. I’m in construction and I’ve worked through this whole pandemic with no social distancing (because construction doesn’t work like that) and in that 18 odd months 2 people have been removed from those sites with covid.
Now I’m not say that there’s no community risk, but that’s my personal experience and if you compare that with the government/media narrative, there’s a huge difference.

 

[swag_tiger]

Covid is a new virus, because it came about so recently no one has any antibodies for it because we had never seen anything like it. To get the antibodies you needed to have 1 of 2 things.
1. Catch the virus
2. Get the vaccination
You don't get immunity to a new virus overnight.

For a healthy person not of advanced age, catching the virus and being able to treat it with proven effective and safe medications like Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) etc., and thereby naturally developing the best immunity possible would seem to be the safe option to me. I personally see a vaccine injury as a bigger risk for me. I’m in construction and I’ve worked through this whole pandemic with no social distancing (because construction doesn’t work like that) and in that 18 odd months 2 people have been removed from those sites with covid.
Now I’m not say that there’s no community risk, but that’s my personal experience and if you compare that with the government/media narrative, there’s a huge difference.

If that's that case why was a study trying to show link Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) with treating Covid withdrawn? Or is that another beat up by the government as well? You do know it's original purpose is to de-worm livestock.

 

[leichhardtjunior]

It’s ORIGINAL purpose was NOT as a veterinary de-wormer it was as a HUMAN anti viral drug that was also later found to be effective in animals.
There you go quoting the government again. If the government’s going to limit your thought process then don’t pretend to care otherwise. I hate to break it to you kiddo but GOVERNMENTS AND MEDIA LIE. Just deal with that FACT.
I just gave you my personal experience of having worked throughout this whole pandemic in close quarters with hundreds of men 6 days a week. My observation is that the daily government/media narrative across that timeframe has painted a very different picture to my ACTUAL experience.
I’m not sure what the science around my actual experience is come to think of it? You’ll have to let me know I guess.
If you want to talk about Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective), we’ll I’d suggest you do some research outside of TGA / government reports.
If you do that you’ll find that Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) has previously been widely accepted and endorsed by the WHO as one of the most widely used and safest anti viral drugs on the market over the past 30 odd years, and APPROVED in MANY countries including Australia. It won the Nobel prise for medicine in 2017 (for human use!) and HAD AND IS being successfully used around the world in early treatment of covid (there are hundreds of doctors willing to testify to this in a court of law)
It was also the target of public MISS INFORMATION by MAINSTREAM MEDIA (CNN I believe) and called a horse tranquilliser in an attempt to discredit it and justify government (WHO) and ban it from legal use to treat covid.
And here I was thinking the only ACCEPTED sources of miss information were ‘alternative information platforms’!!???
Do your research on how effectively it’s being used in India.
John Skerritt of the Australian TGA (which is government run) banned it from legal use here a few months ago, coincidentally at the same time as the push (and mandates) for vaccine uptake.
Get your heads out of the government sand and confront reality.
P.S. It doesn’t always come with an APPROVED SCIENCE certificate.

 

[swag_tiger]

If you want immunity from covid when taking that tablet you will need to take it every time the tablet leaves your system. Let's say it stays in your system for 3 days, then you will have to take it every four days. You can't take it once and be like " I'm immune for the next 6 months". The vaccine you take it 2 times in 2 months and then your immunity lasts for 6 months until your next does. I know what I'd rather do. And even if you wait longer then the 6 months it'll be still at 65%. The so called protection from the tablet dissipates faster.

 

[Odessa]

It’s ORIGINAL purpose was NOT as a veterinary de-wormer it was as a HUMAN anti viral drug that was also later found to be effective in animals.
There you go quoting the government again. If the government’s going to limit your thought process then don’t pretend to care otherwise. I hate to break it to you kiddo but GOVERNMENTS AND MEDIA LIE. Just deal with that FACT.
I just gave you my personal experience of having worked throughout this whole pandemic in close quarters with hundreds of men 6 days a week. My observation is that the daily government/media narrative across that timeframe has painted a very different picture to my ACTUAL experience.
I’m not sure what the science around my actual experience is come to think of it? You’ll have to let me know I guess.
If you want to talk about Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective), we’ll I’d suggest you do some research outside of TGA / government reports.
If you do that you’ll find that Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) has previously been widely accepted and endorsed by the WHO as one of the most widely used and safest anti viral drugs on the market over the past 30 odd years, and APPROVED in MANY countries including Australia. It won the Nobel prise for medicine in 2017 (for human use!) and HAD AND IS being successfully used around the world in early treatment of covid (there are hundreds of doctors willing to testify to this in a court of law)
It was also the target of public MISS INFORMATION by MAINSTREAM MEDIA (CNN I believe) and called a horse tranquilliser in an attempt to discredit it and justify government (WHO) and ban it from legal use to treat covid.
And here I was thinking the only ACCEPTED sources of miss information were ‘alternative information platforms’!!???
Do your research on how effectively it’s being used in India.
John Skerritt of the Australian TGA (which is government run) banned it from legal use here a few months ago, coincidentally at the same time as the push (and mandates) for vaccine uptake.
Get your heads out of the government sand and confront reality.
P.S. It doesn’t always come with an APPROVED SCIENCE certificate.

And also when they did some of the trials they gave 2400mg Aday and the recommended does is between 400 and 600 mg aday some people died taking the higher dose if you gave people between 4 and 6 times there recommend blood pressure medication you will have serious problems as well

Is some Africa countries they call it the sunday vitamin because they take it every Sunday

It works so well because it has an inhibitor that stops the long chain proteins from reproduction
And gives your natural immune system time to work

But don't worry they are bringing out a tablet almost chemically exactly the same just enough change to patent application it and reap the financial rewards

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

It’s ORIGINAL purpose was NOT as a veterinary de-wormer it was as a HUMAN anti viral drug that was also later found to be effective in animals.
There you go quoting the government again. If the government’s going to limit your thought process then don’t pretend to care otherwise. I hate to break it to you kiddo but GOVERNMENTS AND MEDIA LIE. Just deal with that FACT.
I just gave you my personal experience of having worked throughout this whole pandemic in close quarters with hundreds of men 6 days a week. My observation is that the daily government/media narrative across that timeframe has painted a very different picture to my ACTUAL experience.
I’m not sure what the science around my actual experience is come to think of it? You’ll have to let me know I guess.
If you want to talk about Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective), we’ll I’d suggest you do some research outside of TGA / government reports.
If you do that you’ll find that Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) has previously been widely accepted and endorsed by the WHO as one of the most widely used and safest anti viral drugs on the market over the past 30 odd years, and APPROVED in MANY countries including Australia. It won the Nobel prise for medicine in 2017 (for human use!) and HAD AND IS being successfully used around the world in early treatment of covid (there are hundreds of doctors willing to testify to this in a court of law)
It was also the target of public MISS INFORMATION by MAINSTREAM MEDIA (CNN I believe) and called a horse tranquilliser in an attempt to discredit it and justify government (WHO) and ban it from legal use to treat covid.
And here I was thinking the only ACCEPTED sources of miss information were ‘alternative information platforms’!!???
Do your research on how effectively it’s being used in India.
John Skerritt of the Australian TGA (which is government run) banned it from legal use here a few months ago, coincidentally at the same time as the push (and mandates) for vaccine uptake.
Get your heads out of the government sand and confront reality.
P.S. It doesn’t always come with an APPROVED SCIENCE certificate.

And also when they did some of the trials they gave 2400mg Aday and the recommended does is between 400 and 600 mg aday some people died taking the higher dose if you gave people between 4 and 6 times there recommend blood pressure medication you will have serious problems as well

Is some Africa countries they call it the sunday vitamin because they take it every Sunday

It works so well because it has an inhibitor that stops the long chain proteins from reproduction
And gives your natural immune system time to work

But don't worry they are bringing out a tablet almost chemically exactly the same just enough change to patent application it and reap the financial rewards

It’s disgusting isn’t it. But hey trust our government and what they say. It’s all about money

 

[earl]

It works so well because it has an inhibitor that stops the long chain proteins from reproduction
And gives your natural immune system time to work

Fact check time.

Ivermectim has extremely low quality data supporting it's use and hence it is not supported at all by the Australian government.

https://www.tga.gov.au/media-release/new-restrictions-prescribing-Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective)-covid-19

Note:- I provided a link to the best study on Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) within this thread. Emotional and ad-hominen arguments do not change facts.

Now Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) may actually work but I doubt it. The evidence is extremely low quality and not very good.

Vaccines have exceptional data and evidence supporting them. Anit-virals have similar levels of support. There are lots of treatments that have good evidence and support but Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) is not one of those drugs.