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@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516060) said:
You like to rely on science Earl,and here is the inventor of the PCR test telling you not to use it as the higher the cycle the higher false positives…

This is not a valid argument. It's appealing to authority without data to back it up. The PCR test is the gold standard and I haven't heard anything any differently.

When it comes to Fauci I require rational coherent arguments. There is not one rational argument you've provided.
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516063) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516060) said:
You like to rely on science Earl,and here is the inventor of the PCR test telling you not to use it as the higher the cycle the higher false positives…

This is not a valid argument. It's appealing to authority without data to back it up. The PCR test is the gold standard and I haven't heard anything any differently.

When it comes to Fauci I require rational coherent arguments. There is not one rational argument you've provided.



@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516063) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516060) said:
You like to rely on science Earl,and here is the inventor of the PCR test telling you not to use it as the higher the cycle the higher false positives…

This is not a valid argument. It's appealing to authority without data to back it up. The PCR test is the gold standard and I haven't heard anything any differently.

When it comes to Fauci I require rational coherent arguments. There is not one rational argument you've provided.

You keep saying "I havent heard anything any differently.."
Go and search those 2 that I named Faucci and Mullis..do some research and you will find facts and data...
I did and I found many interesting things that most dont know...

HERE is something for you to research...
what is the WEF..(world economic forum)
Who is Klaus Schwab...
What is agenda 201...2030...
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516059) said:
@shiretiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516052) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516031) said:
What a funny world we live in. Don't give me facts. Give me narratives.

Here is a narrative for you Earl

[U.S. COVID-19 Deaths in 2021 Surpass 2020 Total](https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211122/us-covid-deaths-2021-surpass-2020-total)

Orange Man deaths: 385,000

Brandon deaths: 771,000

and Brandon had the advantage of the safe and effective vaccines that the Orange Man delivered.

Now that's a Narrative.

Are you pushing an anti-vax narrative because yet again that article is not anti-vaccine.

Vermont has the lowest COVID-19 death rate per 100,000 people since the pandemic began, according to the Journal. The state also has the most vaccinated population, with 72% fully vaccinated.

Mississippi has the highest death rate since the pandemic began, the newspaper reported. The state is among the least vaccinated states, with 47% fully vaccinated.

Are you stating that Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon saved lives whereas Biden is killing them ?

Honestly that is bizarre.

What is bizare Earl is your incoherent response. Im pushing no narrative but the truth. If that is your conclusion after reading the article, well it says more about you than me Champ.

Lets go Brandon
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516062) said:
@shiretiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516057) said:
Imagine that, getting the flu and come out a better person for it

Hi mate - can you explain what you are stating with facts and logic. Consider me as someone who is logical and rational and looks at data and facts to come to a conclusion on the available evidence.

Something like this:-

1. Omicron appears to be more contagious. Some evidence of this is how it has become the dominant variant in South Africa. I've also posted a link to a paper from South Africa (not yet peer reviewed) that provides the same information.
2. Omicron appears to be less virulent. You can watch that video which has some links.
3. We don't have enough information just yet to be sure.

-Based on these facts/data I can draw two early conclusions. I expect that there will be a 4th wave of Omicron but at the same time if the virus is less virulent we may be seeing the end of the pandemic.

Just try providing a rational well thought out argument.

You truly are a fool Earl.

Go back and read what YOU wrote in your original post. I was just quoting YOU.

Since you need to be led by the nose, refer to the bit I bolded.
 
@paul-wright said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516055) said:
Sadly it is the right wing of US politics that has pushed the anti vaccine agenda around the world.Scarily parts of the right wing here have followed suit Allan Jones Craig Kelly Clive Palmer and the Minister for Manila just to name a few.They are spreading lies among all Australians and some of the gullible are falling for it.
I have no doubt that some Australians would still be alive if they had not believed some of the right wing crap

There are two rights now:-

1. A rational middle right. The Australian liberal party are predominantly in this grouping.
2. The crazies. This is the domain of the Q-Anon lizard people and crazy theories on COVID or whatever. It's completely irrational and end of the world cult like.

Imagine conservatives who believe in small government listening to the stuff coming from group 2.
 
@shiretiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516066) said:
Since you need to be led by the nose, refer to the bit I bolded.

I posted this:- "It’s out there but it’s like the flu and we don’t get the increased morality and burden on the hospital system."

I have no idea how that gets to your comment of this "Imagine that, getting the flu and come out a better person for it".

Does anyone else understand what Shiretiger is stating.

I'll repeat what I'm stating in case it isn't clear. Omicron is looking less virulent which means hopefully we don't get lots of people dying and ending up in hospital. Hopefully COVID via Omicron becomes less virulent and we can start to move forward from this pandemic.
 
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516064) said:
Go and search those 2 that I named Faucci and Mullis…do some research and you will find facts and data…

Provide me with the facts and data. I always provide links. Why can't you ?
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516069) said:
@shiretiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516066) said:
Since you need to be led by the nose, refer to the bit I bolded.

I posted this:- "It’s out there but it’s like the flu and we don’t get the increased morality and burden on the hospital system."

I have no idea how that gets to your comment of this "Imagine that, getting the flu and come out a better person for it".

Does anyone else understand what Shiretiger is stating.

I'll repeat what I'm stating in case it isn't clear. Omicron is looking less virulent which means hopefully we don't get lots of people dying and ending up in hospital. Hopefully COVID via Omicron becomes less virulent and we can start to move forward from this pandemic.

You really dont read the stuff you type.

You wrote that there wasn't increased **MORALITY**, so my post was a play of words on that. I know, sarcasm can be a tad hard for some people to get, particularly those who are more on the Manly referee side of things.

I think you meant to type **MORTALITY** but I wouldn't want to put words into your mouth, like you seem to do with others.
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516070) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516064) said:
Go and search those 2 that I named Faucci and Mullis…do some research and you will find facts and data…

Provide me with the facts and data. I always provide links. Why can't you ?

I dont know how to place them from one site to the other,but I gave you their names,I will get my ex to show me how to work my computer,I have always said Im computer illiterate,she is in hospital for a minor cancer op and will be back tommorrow,she is a computer wizz..
As soon as she shows me how,I will inundate you with info....
 
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516072) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516070) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516064) said:
Go and search those 2 that I named Faucci and Mullis…do some research and you will find facts and data…

Provide me with the facts and data. I always provide links. Why can't you ?

I dont know how to place them from one site to the other,but I gave you their names,I will get my ex to show me how to work my computer,I have always said Im computer illiterate,she is in hospital for a minor cancer op and will be back tommorrow,she is a computer wizz..
As soon as she shows me how,I will inundate you with info....

You should provide your evidence but I did look this up and it's the worst worst worst kind of dribble I've heard.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/3865900/pcr-covid-test-kary-mullis-fauci-theory/

Addressing the conspiracy theories for the first time, the former teacher, 74, said: “These Covid loonies have come out of the woodwork to tell me that Kary was probably killed to keep him from talking about Covid and that Fauci might be behind it.

“This is so ludicrous. I had to make my Facebook page private because of these kinds of people.

“What Kary said about Fauci and PCR being used to diagnose AIDS was 25 to 30 years ago.

It sounds like another instance of making up narratives with no facts at all.

Who was that one who supposedly discovered mRNA technology and was stating it didn't work or something. He was clearly a fraud. Was it Dr Muller or something like that.

Science doesn't work this way. It works via empirical evidence. The data matters. So called experts stating opinions that aren't backed up by the data are just the same as conspiracy theorists nutters who state stuff that simply isn't true.

The data matters.
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516073) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516072) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516070) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516064) said:
Go and search those 2 that I named Faucci and Mullis…do some research and you will find facts and data…

Provide me with the facts and data. I always provide links. Why can't you ?

I dont know how to place them from one site to the other,but I gave you their names,I will get my ex to show me how to work my computer,I have always said Im computer illiterate,she is in hospital for a minor cancer op and will be back tommorrow,she is a computer wizz..
As soon as she shows me how,I will inundate you with info....

You should provide your evidence but I did look this up and it's the worst worst worst kind of dribble I've heard.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/3865900/pcr-covid-test-kary-mullis-fauci-theory/

Addressing the conspiracy theories for the first time, the former teacher, 74, said: “These Covid loonies have come out of the woodwork to tell me that Kary was probably killed to keep him from talking about Covid and that Fauci might be behind it.

“This is so ludicrous. I had to make my Facebook page private because of these kinds of people.

“What Kary said about Fauci and PCR being used to diagnose AIDS was 25 to 30 years ago.

It sounds like another instance of making up narratives with no facts at all.

Who was that one who supposedly discovered mRNA technology and was stating it didn't work or something. He was clearly a fraud. Was it Dr Muller or something like that.

Science doesn't work this way. It works via empirical evidence. The data matters. So called experts stating opinions that aren't backed up by the data are just the same as conspiracy theorists nutters who state stuff that simply isn't true.

The data matters.

I will provide you the data....the mRNA inventor was
Dr Robert Mallone...look him up...
 
@shiretiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516071) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516069) said:
@shiretiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516066) said:
Since you need to be led by the nose, refer to the bit I bolded.

I posted this:- "It’s out there but it’s like the flu and we don’t get the increased morality and burden on the hospital system."

I have no idea how that gets to your comment of this "Imagine that, getting the flu and come out a better person for it".

Does anyone else understand what Shiretiger is stating.

I'll repeat what I'm stating in case it isn't clear. Omicron is looking less virulent which means hopefully we don't get lots of people dying and ending up in hospital. Hopefully COVID via Omicron becomes less virulent and we can start to move forward from this pandemic.

You really dont read the stuff you type.

You wrote that there wasn't increased **MORALITY**, so my post was a play of words on that. I know, sarcasm can be a tad hard for some people to get, particularly those who are more on the Manly referee side of things.

I think you meant to type **MORTALITY** but I wouldn't want to put words into your mouth, like you seem to do with others.

Got it. Thanks. A misspelling is pretty funny. I love it.

Go Brandan. Keep the narratives coming.
 
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516074) said:
I will provide you the data…the mRNA inventor was
Dr Robert Mallone…look him up…

This was hilarious wasn't it. That was him. Conspiracy theorists keep getting it wrong don't they.

He was on the podcast that was pulled down from YT for misinformation after one of those conspiracy theorists posted his conspiracy dribble about COVID on-line and he died from COVID. It's actually tragic.
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516076) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516074) said:
I will provide you the data…the mRNA inventor was
Dr Robert Mallone…look him up…

This was hilarious wasn't it. That was him. Conspiracy theorists keep getting it wrong don't they.

He was on the podcast that was pulled down from YT for misinformation after one of those conspiracy theorists posted his conspiracy dribble about COVID on-line and he died from COVID. It's actually tragic.

Earl...if you go through duckduckgo search engine and in the search bar type in David Icke...there is videos and articles on various subjects,Omicron is in there...
Check out Andrew Kaufman also...
 
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Interesting to see that cases in NSW over the last week have been in younger age groups.

I don't read too much into the under 18s cases as it's a huge group of people.

Nice to see the seniors staying safe 🙂
 
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516117) said:
If omicron is less virulent and is like the common flu, why the hell do we need the vaccines?

We use vaccines for the flu do we not?
 
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516117) said:
If omicron is less virulent and is like the common flu, why the hell do we need the vaccines?

It's a good question. I was thinking the idea of vaccine mandates is getting less and less support via the evidence.

A couple of points:-

1. Atm across the world the levels of anti-bodies within people is about 90%. This would be the same in Australia due to our high vaccination rates.
2. People who have caught COVID previously are more likely to catch it again.
3. The symptoms amongst those people appear to be much less virulent.
4. The pattern of a more contagious virus and less virulent virus is what we would expect from the science. This is what viruses tend to do.
5. There is a still a risk that those people who are unvaccinated and have not contracted COVID could end up really sick. This is the potential issue but to be fair we don't have the data yet.
6. In relation to Delta it definitely appears that a booster shot makes a lot of sense.

--> I'm personally getting the booster and even more so with Omicron coming. My 11 yo son will also get vaccinated when it is available. I'm not sure if my son getting vaccinated is going to help much (him or society).

--> The vaccines have worked exceptionally well. In Australia and across the world the data is clearly stating that so many lives have been saved via vaccination and so many lives have been lost via not being vaccinated. The question is due to the virus mutating can we start viewing this like the flu and if you don't want to get vaccinated it's your choice as the public health impact isn't going to be significant.

--> We don't have enough data just yet to make these decisions however I can see a really valid case being built to stop the idea of vaccine mandates from a scientific perspective.
 
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516079) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516076) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516074) said:
I will provide you the data…the mRNA inventor was
Dr Robert Mallone…look him up…

This was hilarious wasn't it. That was him. Conspiracy theorists keep getting it wrong don't they.

He was on the podcast that was pulled down from YT for misinformation after one of those conspiracy theorists posted his conspiracy dribble about COVID on-line and he died from COVID. It's actually tragic.

Earl...if you go through duckduckgo search engine and in the search bar type in David Icke...there is videos and articles on various subjects,Omicron is in there...
Check out Andrew Kaufman also...

Mate - I tend to read published papers with really good evidence.

I assume this is David Icke:- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke.
This is Andrew Kaufman:- https://andrewkaufmanmd.com/

I wouldn't trust people like that if they had any evidence and they don't have any evidence. Those guys are charlatans.
 
@swag_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516118) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1516117) said:
If omicron is less virulent and is like the common flu, why the hell do we need the vaccines?

We use vaccines for the flu do we not?

It could become more of a personal choice though. We can make it less dramatic. I'm actually not a fan of mandates now.

I don't know if mandates are causing the cult like craziness that people are into now but it's giving those people something to rail against. I think we need less emotional illogical reasoning and more calm rational thought.
 
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