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@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134360) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134306) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133882) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133833) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133809) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133796) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133762) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133740) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133416) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133411) said:
@rustycage said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133399) said:
If anyone thinks that the hand outs given to employers will be passed down to their employees they're crazy. Maybe in some cases, maybe in a lot of cases, but the reality is probably more like the employers will hand out a little to some, skim a large chunk and then re-hire what's needed down the track without any worries at all because masses of workers will be desperate for work.

Yes and no. Case by case.

Let's take a cafe for instance. They have suppliers they need to pay. If you don't pay, you don't get supply and it wrecks your ability to make money to pay wages anyway. If you give business nothing, they will fail. Full stop. Good luck finding a job when this is all over unless you work for government or other safe industries.

Businesses aren't only an employer and employee relationship. They have suppliers, bills, rent etc.

But, you're right, for most SME employees, they will get their next payslip and their entitlements and either stood down or made redundant. Some will be able to stay on a needs basis if that business is making some sales.

Income support is available for employees that are stood down/lose jobs. The hope is the cash injection is enough for businesses to keep the doors open until things pick up again - hopefully the staff can slot straight back in.

For most, this cash injection will only help very small businesses and is not enough to cover 6 months worth of wages.

The cash injection is directly linked to retained employees. Employer doesn’t get it if they put people off

Correct - linked to employers that have staff.

The employer keeps the tax collected from any staff they have!

I thought that too, but I think it's correlated to wages rather than PAYG withholding. Maybe someone who's received advice can confirm.

Here's the treasury document with examples https://treasury.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-03/Fact_sheet-Cash_flow_assistance_for_businesses_0.pdf

I'm going to speak to the accountant on Monday and get clarification.

I think that is from the original stimulus package not the new one?

Believe it's the new one because they mention the increase of minimum payment from $2,000 to $20,000 - I might be wrong. Is there a link to the new one you've found?

This is what I have found so far!

How does it work?
The tax-free payment is worth 100% of the tax that small and medium-sized businesses withhold from their employees’ salary and wages up to a maximum amount of $100,000.


The amount will be paid automatically by the Australian Taxation Office based on the business’s monthly or quarterly business activity statements.
This means it will be directly linked to keeping someone employed as the tax is calculated and withheld based on a worker’s wage.
Eligible businesses that pay salary and wages will receive a minimum payment of $20,000, even if they are not required to withhold tax.

Ok...I've read one of the examples and this is what I've understood.

Basically, if you pay tax for your employees, you will get up to $50,000 of all PAYG back as you pay it. Minimum payment is $20,000 upfront regardless of how much PAYG is withheld.

After you've claimed back $50,000 in total, you can receive another $50,000 (split in 25% increments) spread over each BAS period for a total of $100,000.

Really, this will only work for businesses that have revenue to sustain wages. Most businesses have dropped significantly, so it's unlikely to help much overall.

Its the encouragement to keep those employees on, basically the government will be paying roughly 32% of employee wages. When you look at the British government paying 80% of wages.

There is going to be a lot of pain in the community. My father is 80, he is an economist and cannot remember anything of this kind before. I feel very sorry for small business and their employees.
 
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134360) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134306) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133882) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133833) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133809) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133796) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133762) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133740) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133416) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133411) said:
@rustycage said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133399) said:
If anyone thinks that the hand outs given to employers will be passed down to their employees they're crazy. Maybe in some cases, maybe in a lot of cases, but the reality is probably more like the employers will hand out a little to some, skim a large chunk and then re-hire what's needed down the track without any worries at all because masses of workers will be desperate for work.

Yes and no. Case by case.

Let's take a cafe for instance. They have suppliers they need to pay. If you don't pay, you don't get supply and it wrecks your ability to make money to pay wages anyway. If you give business nothing, they will fail. Full stop. Good luck finding a job when this is all over unless you work for government or other safe industries.

Businesses aren't only an employer and employee relationship. They have suppliers, bills, rent etc.

But, you're right, for most SME employees, they will get their next payslip and their entitlements and either stood down or made redundant. Some will be able to stay on a needs basis if that business is making some sales.

Income support is available for employees that are stood down/lose jobs. The hope is the cash injection is enough for businesses to keep the doors open until things pick up again - hopefully the staff can slot straight back in.

For most, this cash injection will only help very small businesses and is not enough to cover 6 months worth of wages.

The cash injection is directly linked to retained employees. Employer doesn’t get it if they put people off

Correct - linked to employers that have staff.

The employer keeps the tax collected from any staff they have!

I thought that too, but I think it's correlated to wages rather than PAYG withholding. Maybe someone who's received advice can confirm.

Here's the treasury document with examples https://treasury.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-03/Fact_sheet-Cash_flow_assistance_for_businesses_0.pdf

I'm going to speak to the accountant on Monday and get clarification.

I think that is from the original stimulus package not the new one?

Believe it's the new one because they mention the increase of minimum payment from $2,000 to $20,000 - I might be wrong. Is there a link to the new one you've found?

This is what I have found so far!

How does it work?
The tax-free payment is worth 100% of the tax that small and medium-sized businesses withhold from their employees’ salary and wages up to a maximum amount of $100,000.


The amount will be paid automatically by the Australian Taxation Office based on the business’s monthly or quarterly business activity statements.
This means it will be directly linked to keeping someone employed as the tax is calculated and withheld based on a worker’s wage.
Eligible businesses that pay salary and wages will receive a minimum payment of $20,000, even if they are not required to withhold tax.

Ok...I've read one of the examples and this is what I've understood.

Basically, if you pay tax for your employees, you will get up to $50,000 of all PAYG back as you pay it. Minimum payment is $20,000 upfront regardless of how much PAYG is withheld.

After you've claimed back $50,000 in total, you can receive another $50,000 (split in 25% increments) spread over each BAS period for a total of $100,000.

Really, this will only work for businesses that have revenue to sustain wages. Most businesses have dropped significantly, so it's unlikely to help much overall.

Its the encouragement to keep those employees on, basically the government will be paying roughly 32% of employee wages. When you look at the British government paying 80% of wages.

I understand the sentiment behind the policy, but I own a business and I can tell you that you need to be making enough in the first place for this to work.

Let's take a small cafe earning revenue of $10,000 per week.
Fixed expenses (rent, electricity etc.) is $5,000/wk.
Remaining to cover wages and stock is $5,000/wk

If they drop to 20% revenue (i.e. Sydney CBD cafes).
Sales are now $2,000/wk.
Fixed expenses are still $5,000/wk
Remaining is -$3,000

How do I buy stock to sell let alone pay an employee?

If we knew what date we'd have to last to, then perhaps people would get loans etc. to see them through, but how long can someone haemorrhage $3,000/wk before they need to cut staff and stop paying suppliers? What happens when you are forced to shutdown and your revenue goes to $0? Should you keep borrowing money just so you can get your PAYG back? Can I even get a loan for a business with $0 revenue?....(based on my work I can confirm it would be unlikely). Do I really want to borrow thousands of dollars to give to someone else with no guarantee I can pay it back in the future?

I mean, in the last month they've closed the country down and will soon force businesses to close their doors...How much confidence do you think business owners have in continuing to bear the expenses of their business indefinitely?

The reality is, the remaining revenue needs to be enough to cover the wage bill in the first place. If your business drops 80% overnight, you're probably not going to keep paying people just to sit around indefinitely to get a discount on your wages that you never had in your account to pay in the first place.
 
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134543) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134360) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134306) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133882) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133833) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133809) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133796) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133762) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133740) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133416) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133411) said:
@rustycage said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133399) said:
If anyone thinks that the hand outs given to employers will be passed down to their employees they're crazy. Maybe in some cases, maybe in a lot of cases, but the reality is probably more like the employers will hand out a little to some, skim a large chunk and then re-hire what's needed down the track without any worries at all because masses of workers will be desperate for work.

Yes and no. Case by case.

Let's take a cafe for instance. They have suppliers they need to pay. If you don't pay, you don't get supply and it wrecks your ability to make money to pay wages anyway. If you give business nothing, they will fail. Full stop. Good luck finding a job when this is all over unless you work for government or other safe industries.

Businesses aren't only an employer and employee relationship. They have suppliers, bills, rent etc.

But, you're right, for most SME employees, they will get their next payslip and their entitlements and either stood down or made redundant. Some will be able to stay on a needs basis if that business is making some sales.

Income support is available for employees that are stood down/lose jobs. The hope is the cash injection is enough for businesses to keep the doors open until things pick up again - hopefully the staff can slot straight back in.

For most, this cash injection will only help very small businesses and is not enough to cover 6 months worth of wages.

The cash injection is directly linked to retained employees. Employer doesn’t get it if they put people off

Correct - linked to employers that have staff.

The employer keeps the tax collected from any staff they have!

I thought that too, but I think it's correlated to wages rather than PAYG withholding. Maybe someone who's received advice can confirm.

Here's the treasury document with examples https://treasury.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-03/Fact_sheet-Cash_flow_assistance_for_businesses_0.pdf

I'm going to speak to the accountant on Monday and get clarification.

I think that is from the original stimulus package not the new one?

Believe it's the new one because they mention the increase of minimum payment from $2,000 to $20,000 - I might be wrong. Is there a link to the new one you've found?

This is what I have found so far!

How does it work?
The tax-free payment is worth 100% of the tax that small and medium-sized businesses withhold from their employees’ salary and wages up to a maximum amount of $100,000.


The amount will be paid automatically by the Australian Taxation Office based on the business’s monthly or quarterly business activity statements.
This means it will be directly linked to keeping someone employed as the tax is calculated and withheld based on a worker’s wage.
Eligible businesses that pay salary and wages will receive a minimum payment of $20,000, even if they are not required to withhold tax.

Ok...I've read one of the examples and this is what I've understood.

Basically, if you pay tax for your employees, you will get up to $50,000 of all PAYG back as you pay it. Minimum payment is $20,000 upfront regardless of how much PAYG is withheld.

After you've claimed back $50,000 in total, you can receive another $50,000 (split in 25% increments) spread over each BAS period for a total of $100,000.

Really, this will only work for businesses that have revenue to sustain wages. Most businesses have dropped significantly, so it's unlikely to help much overall.

Its the encouragement to keep those employees on, basically the government will be paying roughly 32% of employee wages. When you look at the British government paying 80% of wages.

I understand the sentiment behind the policy, but I own a business and I can tell you that you need to be making enough in the first place for this to work.

Let's take a small cafe earning revenue of $10,000 per week.
Fixed expenses (rent, electricity etc.) is $5,000/wk.
Remaining to cover wages and stock is $5,000/wk

If they drop to 20% revenue (i.e. Sydney CBD cafes).
Sales are now $2,000/wk.
Fixed expenses are still $5,000/wk
Remaining is -$3,000

How do I buy stock to sell let alone pay an employee?

If we knew what date we'd have to last to, then perhaps people would get loans etc. to see them through, but how long can someone haemorrhage $3,000/wk before they need to cut staff and stop paying suppliers? What happens when you are forced to shutdown and your revenue goes to $0? Should you keep borrowing money just so you can get your PAYG back? Can I even get a loan for a business with $0 revenue?....(based on my work I can confirm it would be unlikely). Do I really want to borrow thousands of dollars to give to someone else with no guarantee I can pay it back in the future?

I mean, in the last month they've closed the country down and will soon force businesses to close their doors...How much confidence do you think business owners have in continuing to bear the expenses of their business indefinitely?

The reality is, the remaining revenue needs to be enough to cover the wage bill in the first place. If your business drops 80% overnight, you're probably not going to keep paying people just to sit around indefinitely to get a discount on your wages that you never had in your account to pay in the first place.

Sorry mate, my last post was agreeing with you but was still watching the footy. Our government offered to effectively pay less than 32% of wages. In the UK the government is paying 80%.
 
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133416) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133411) said:
@rustycage said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133399) said:
If anyone thinks that the hand outs given to employers will be passed down to their employees they're crazy. Maybe in some cases, maybe in a lot of cases, but the reality is probably more like the employers will hand out a little to some, skim a large chunk and then re-hire what's needed down the track without any worries at all because masses of workers will be desperate for work.

Yes and no. Case by case.

Let's take a cafe for instance. They have suppliers they need to pay. If you don't pay, you don't get supply and it wrecks your ability to make money to pay wages anyway. If you give business nothing, they will fail. Full stop. Good luck finding a job when this is all over unless you work for government or other safe industries.

Businesses aren't only an employer and employee relationship. They have suppliers, bills, rent etc.

But, you're right, for most SME employees, they will get their next payslip and their entitlements and either stood down or made redundant. Some will be able to stay on a needs basis if that business is making some sales.

Income support is available for employees that are stood down/lose jobs. The hope is the cash injection is enough for businesses to keep the doors open until things pick up again - hopefully the staff can slot straight back in.

For most, this cash injection will only help very small businesses and is not enough to cover 6 months worth of wages.

The cash injection is directly linked to retained employees. Employer doesn’t get it if they put people off

You think they won't exploit some loophole?
 
I think one of the biggest answers is restricting trading hours in all businesses asap and looking after our part time and casual staff who are providing for their families and for selves

I've been telling the kids (school ) we will be giving them maybe one shift a every 2-3 weeks
 
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134550) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134543) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134360) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134306) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133882) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133833) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133809) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133796) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133762) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133740) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133416) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133411) said:
@rustycage said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133399) said:
If anyone thinks that the hand outs given to employers will be passed down to their employees they're crazy. Maybe in some cases, maybe in a lot of cases, but the reality is probably more like the employers will hand out a little to some, skim a large chunk and then re-hire what's needed down the track without any worries at all because masses of workers will be desperate for work.

Yes and no. Case by case.

Let's take a cafe for instance. They have suppliers they need to pay. If you don't pay, you don't get supply and it wrecks your ability to make money to pay wages anyway. If you give business nothing, they will fail. Full stop. Good luck finding a job when this is all over unless you work for government or other safe industries.

Businesses aren't only an employer and employee relationship. They have suppliers, bills, rent etc.

But, you're right, for most SME employees, they will get their next payslip and their entitlements and either stood down or made redundant. Some will be able to stay on a needs basis if that business is making some sales.

Income support is available for employees that are stood down/lose jobs. The hope is the cash injection is enough for businesses to keep the doors open until things pick up again - hopefully the staff can slot straight back in.

For most, this cash injection will only help very small businesses and is not enough to cover 6 months worth of wages.

The cash injection is directly linked to retained employees. Employer doesn’t get it if they put people off

Correct - linked to employers that have staff.

The employer keeps the tax collected from any staff they have!

I thought that too, but I think it's correlated to wages rather than PAYG withholding. Maybe someone who's received advice can confirm.

Here's the treasury document with examples https://treasury.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-03/Fact_sheet-Cash_flow_assistance_for_businesses_0.pdf

I'm going to speak to the accountant on Monday and get clarification.

I think that is from the original stimulus package not the new one?

Believe it's the new one because they mention the increase of minimum payment from $2,000 to $20,000 - I might be wrong. Is there a link to the new one you've found?

This is what I have found so far!

How does it work?
The tax-free payment is worth 100% of the tax that small and medium-sized businesses withhold from their employees’ salary and wages up to a maximum amount of $100,000.


The amount will be paid automatically by the Australian Taxation Office based on the business’s monthly or quarterly business activity statements.
This means it will be directly linked to keeping someone employed as the tax is calculated and withheld based on a worker’s wage.
Eligible businesses that pay salary and wages will receive a minimum payment of $20,000, even if they are not required to withhold tax.

Ok...I've read one of the examples and this is what I've understood.

Basically, if you pay tax for your employees, you will get up to $50,000 of all PAYG back as you pay it. Minimum payment is $20,000 upfront regardless of how much PAYG is withheld.

After you've claimed back $50,000 in total, you can receive another $50,000 (split in 25% increments) spread over each BAS period for a total of $100,000.

Really, this will only work for businesses that have revenue to sustain wages. Most businesses have dropped significantly, so it's unlikely to help much overall.

Its the encouragement to keep those employees on, basically the government will be paying roughly 32% of employee wages. When you look at the British government paying 80% of wages.

I understand the sentiment behind the policy, but I own a business and I can tell you that you need to be making enough in the first place for this to work.

Let's take a small cafe earning revenue of $10,000 per week.
Fixed expenses (rent, electricity etc.) is $5,000/wk.
Remaining to cover wages and stock is $5,000/wk

If they drop to 20% revenue (i.e. Sydney CBD cafes).
Sales are now $2,000/wk.
Fixed expenses are still $5,000/wk
Remaining is -$3,000

How do I buy stock to sell let alone pay an employee?

If we knew what date we'd have to last to, then perhaps people would get loans etc. to see them through, but how long can someone haemorrhage $3,000/wk before they need to cut staff and stop paying suppliers? What happens when you are forced to shutdown and your revenue goes to $0? Should you keep borrowing money just so you can get your PAYG back? Can I even get a loan for a business with $0 revenue?....(based on my work I can confirm it would be unlikely). Do I really want to borrow thousands of dollars to give to someone else with no guarantee I can pay it back in the future?

I mean, in the last month they've closed the country down and will soon force businesses to close their doors...How much confidence do you think business owners have in continuing to bear the expenses of their business indefinitely?

The reality is, the remaining revenue needs to be enough to cover the wage bill in the first place. If your business drops 80% overnight, you're probably not going to keep paying people just to sit around indefinitely to get a discount on your wages that you never had in your account to pay in the first place.

Sorry mate, my last post was agreeing with you but was still watching the footy. Our government offered to effectively pay less than 32% of wages. In the UK the government is paying 80%.

Righteo mate. I was watching too, so I probably read it wrong.

As we agree, it's not effective in keeping people in jobs, but it could be effective in injecting some cash into businesses in these early stages to keep them from closing, but that's about it.

I'm not against it, but it shouldn't be seen by the public as a way to keep people in jobs. While that's one of the intentions of the payment, it's not the main intention.

We all need as many businesses to survive as possible so people have jobs to go back to after this.

I dare say many business owners are not going to want the debt burden on the other side, so they'll simply close the doors.

We haven't even seen the worst of it yet.
 
@rustycage said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134556) said:
800 dead in Italy over night. Anyone suggesting this is just a cold should have a good hard think about things.

The mortality rate is all over the place. Germany has a mortality rate of 0.37% of total infected cases. Italy has a mortality rate of 9%. We just have to wait and see how we handle it. It's not going to be a cold though. A lot of people get sick.
 
@Earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134588) said:
@rustycage said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134556) said:
800 dead in Italy over night. Anyone suggesting this is just a cold should have a good hard think about things.

The mortality rate is all over the place. Germany has a mortality rate of 0.37% of total infected cases. Italy has a mortality rate of 9%. We just have to wait and see how we handle it. It's not going to be a cold though. A lot of people get sick.

The point is people here, on FB and all over the place downplay this thing and people are dying at an enormous rate in some areas because of it. If we're fortunate, we'll have a low body count. But dismissing this as media hype is foolhardy and dangerous. Those that do so should pull their heads in.
 
@rustycage said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134598) said:
@Earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134588) said:
@rustycage said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134556) said:
800 dead in Italy over night. Anyone suggesting this is just a cold should have a good hard think about things.

The mortality rate is all over the place. Germany has a mortality rate of 0.37% of total infected cases. Italy has a mortality rate of 9%. We just have to wait and see how we handle it. It's not going to be a cold though. A lot of people get sick.

The point is people here, on FB and all over the place downplay this thing and people are dying at an enormous rate in some areas because of it. If we're fortunate, we'll have a low body count. But dismissing this as media hype is foolhardy and dangerous. Those that do so should pull their heads in.

I dont think anyone would describe it as "media hype" anymore.I think everone including Murdoch would now realise its a massive problem
 
@hobbo1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133453) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133450) said:
@TillLindemann said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133439) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133435) said:
@TillLindemann said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133432) said:
So is this new announcement a lockdown or not?

Not yet but likely... Cabinet meeting tonite or tomorrow?

Just read on the ABC that NSW is closing all non-essential services. As my work is 'non essential', not sure if I should be going to work, or staying home.

So many questions about this. My job (self employed) basically involves walking around looking at things outdoors. If there is no restriction on walking around, I assume I can still do my job?

I need Bunnings to stay open !

Definitely an essential service for all those DIY jobs that will now get done.
 
@jadtiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134612) said:
@rustycage said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134598) said:
@Earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134588) said:
@rustycage said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134556) said:
800 dead in Italy over night. Anyone suggesting this is just a cold should have a good hard think about things.

The mortality rate is all over the place. Germany has a mortality rate of 0.37% of total infected cases. Italy has a mortality rate of 9%. We just have to wait and see how we handle it. It's not going to be a cold though. A lot of people get sick.

The point is people here, on FB and all over the place downplay this thing and people are dying at an enormous rate in some areas because of it. If we're fortunate, we'll have a low body count. But dismissing this as media hype is foolhardy and dangerous. Those that do so should pull their heads in.

I dont think anyone would describe it as "media hype" anymore.I think everone including Murdoch would now realise its a massive problem

Mate, you wouldn't think so, but I've seen it on social media more than once. And I've heard it at the cafe when I was at the beach this morning. Stupid people with no idea. Their ignorance and "she'll be right" attitude is mind boggling.
 
So Slomo has left it up to the states to decide if we go into lockdown!

No way will he get re-elected ..

Deadset muppet !
 
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134616) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133453) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133450) said:
@TillLindemann said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133439) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133435) said:
@TillLindemann said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133432) said:
So is this new announcement a lockdown or not?

Not yet but likely... Cabinet meeting tonite or tomorrow?

Just read on the ABC that NSW is closing all non-essential services. As my work is 'non essential', not sure if I should be going to work, or staying home.

So many questions about this. My job (self employed) basically involves walking around looking at things outdoors. If there is no restriction on walking around, I assume I can still do my job?

I need Bunnings to stay open !

Definitely an essential service for all those DIY jobs that will now get done.

I’m a Tradie ...
I have work and need to buy stuff !
 
@hobbo1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134623) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134616) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133453) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133450) said:
@TillLindemann said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133439) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133435) said:
@TillLindemann said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133432) said:
So is this new announcement a lockdown or not?

Not yet but likely... Cabinet meeting tonite or tomorrow?

Just read on the ABC that NSW is closing all non-essential services. As my work is 'non essential', not sure if I should be going to work, or staying home.

So many questions about this. My job (self employed) basically involves walking around looking at things outdoors. If there is no restriction on walking around, I assume I can still do my job?

I need Bunnings to stay open !

Definitely an essential service for all those DIY jobs that will now get done.

I’m a Tradie ...
I have work and need to buy stuff !

Even more important then. They should be doing a roaring trade.
 
@hobbo1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134619) said:
So Slomo has left it up to the states to decide if we go into lockdown!

No way will he get re-elected ..

Deadset muppet !

Par for the course with Scamo.He showed zero leadership during the fire emergency aand the lead up to it.I dont expect anything useful from him now it is pure reactionary.Even Boris Johnson in the UK is showing more leadership,
 
@jadtiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134636) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134619) said:
So Slomo has left it up to the states to decide if we go into lockdown!

No way will he get re-elected ..

Deadset muppet !

Par for the course with Scamo.He showed zero leadership during the fire emergency aand the lead up to it.I dont expect anything useful from him now it is pure reactionary.Even Boris Johnson in the UK is showing more leadership,

Boris is the man !
 
@rustycage said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134598) said:
@Earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134588) said:
@rustycage said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134556) said:
800 dead in Italy over night. Anyone suggesting this is just a cold should have a good hard think about things.

The mortality rate is all over the place. Germany has a mortality rate of 0.37% of total infected cases. Italy has a mortality rate of 9%. We just have to wait and see how we handle it. It's not going to be a cold though. A lot of people get sick.

The point is people here, on FB and all over the place downplay this thing and people are dying at an enormous rate in some areas because of it. If we're fortunate, we'll have a low body count. But dismissing this as media hype is foolhardy and dangerous. Those that do so should pull their heads in.

I agree with you 100%. This isn't a joke. I thought it was negligent how Fox were showing people getting drunk and partying and not being aware of the situation that we are currently in.

The point with the differences in mortality rates is that we can influence those rates to a degree by our behavior.
 
@rustycage said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134551) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133416) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133411) said:
@rustycage said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1133399) said:
If anyone thinks that the hand outs given to employers will be passed down to their employees they're crazy. Maybe in some cases, maybe in a lot of cases, but the reality is probably more like the employers will hand out a little to some, skim a large chunk and then re-hire what's needed down the track without any worries at all because masses of workers will be desperate for work.

Yes and no. Case by case.

Let's take a cafe for instance. They have suppliers they need to pay. If you don't pay, you don't get supply and it wrecks your ability to make money to pay wages anyway. If you give business nothing, they will fail. Full stop. Good luck finding a job when this is all over unless you work for government or other safe industries.

Businesses aren't only an employer and employee relationship. They have suppliers, bills, rent etc.

But, you're right, for most SME employees, they will get their next payslip and their entitlements and either stood down or made redundant. Some will be able to stay on a needs basis if that business is making some sales.

Income support is available for employees that are stood down/lose jobs. The hope is the cash injection is enough for businesses to keep the doors open until things pick up again - hopefully the staff can slot straight back in.

For most, this cash injection will only help very small businesses and is not enough to cover 6 months worth of wages.

The cash injection is directly linked to retained employees. Employer doesn’t get it if they put people off

You think they won't exploit some loophole?

Not sure how you can fake paying tax to the ATO. If you looked into it, it's pretty hard to exploit...either way, employee wages are not the point of the that package.
 
@hobbo1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134619) said:
So Slomo has left it up to the states to decide if we go into lockdown!
**> No way will he get re-elected** ..

Deadset muppet !

That’s what they said last time
 
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