Coronavirus Outbreak

[Hangonaminute]

Interesting how the covid19 thread has turned into the black lives, all lives, no lives matter thread.

This is exactly what I said would happen, I knew another news story would come along and the media would jump off the Covid thing straight onto the new thing (waiting for the smart comments about that's how news works)

And it seems the people have also done the same, gone from arguing about covid19 to arguing about black lives matter.
This thread is a perfect example of how quickly the media drop something and focus in the next big thing.
How easily they can manipulate the zeitgeist

 

[mike]

I don't mean you Cochise, or you TrueTiger, but imo some people just like to argue and get all worked up.

'Black Lives Matter' and 'Every Life Matters' should be on the same side, they are not opposing views. Different ways of saying the same thing, with the same sentiment, even against the same thing.

I find it ironic, people advocating for equality and open-mindedness, less bigotry and discrimination, yet then oppose people who are saying the same thing but are expressing themselves differently. They're wasting energy on the wrong people, but hey who knows, maybe they have excess energy.

The trouble with 'Black Lives Matter' and 'Every Life Matters’ slogans, which are true of course, is that in some sections of the good old USA Black Lives don’t matter at all.

 

[cochise]

I don't mean you Cochise, or you TrueTiger, but imo some people just like to argue and get all worked up.

'Black Lives Matter' and 'Every Life Matters' should be on the same side, they are not opposing views. Different ways of saying the same thing, with the same sentiment, even against the same thing.

I find it ironic, people advocating for equality and open-mindedness, less bigotry and discrimination, yet then oppose people who are saying the same thing but are expressing themselves differently. They're wasting energy on the wrong people, but hey who knows, maybe they have excess energy.

The trouble with 'Black Lives Matter' and 'Every Life Matters’ slogans, which are true of course, is that in some sections of the good old USA Black Lives don’t matter at all.

Exactly which is the meaning of Black lives matter

 

[Tim Sheens]

Interesting how the covid19 thread has turned into the black lives, all lives, no lives matter thread.

This is exactly what I said would happen, I knew another news story would come along and the media would jump off the Covid thing straight onto the new thing (waiting for the smart comments about that's how news works)

And it seems the people have also done the same, gone from arguing about covid19 to arguing about black lives matter.
This thread is a perfect example of how quickly the media drop something and focus in the next big thing.
How easily they can manipulate the zeitgeist

I think that we can handle at least two major things at once and in this case the situation is elevated on the back of the virus. I still keep a reasonably keen eye on the covid situation both here and abroad and imagine that I will for some time yet.

You could refer to the virus as just a short term focus, but the BLM cause has been around for a long time before Kapernick adjusted his protest to taking a knee after listening to the concerns of servicemen and others. But even that wasn't a good enough or acceptable way to be heard for the president and his followers, so now the voice of the unheard has arrived in riots accompanying peaceful protest.

 

[mike]

Interesting how the covid19 thread has turned into the black lives, all lives, no lives matter thread.

This is exactly what I said would happen, I knew another news story would come along and the media would jump off the Covid thing straight onto the new thing (waiting for the smart comments about that's how news works)

And it seems the people have also done the same, gone from arguing about covid19 to arguing about black lives matter.
This thread is a perfect example of how quickly the media drop something and focus in the next big thing.
How easily they can manipulate the zeitgeist

In NSW no community transmission of Covid19 in a week. Great effort and not at all forgotten. Keeping a very close eye on things. The rallies this weekend are a worry. I personally don’t think they should go ahead in that form for now. Online yes. From door, or driveway yes. If the rallies do go ahead I just hope they don’t undo all our good work.

 

[cochise]

I don't mean you Cochise, or you TrueTiger, but imo some people just like to argue and get all worked up.

'Black Lives Matter' and 'Every Life Matters' should be on the same side, they are not opposing views. Different ways of saying the same thing, with the same sentiment, even against the same thing.

I find it ironic, people advocating for equality and open-mindedness, less bigotry and discrimination, yet then oppose people who are saying the same thing but are expressing themselves differently. They're wasting energy on the wrong people, but hey who knows, maybe they have excess energy.

The trouble with 'Black Lives Matter' and 'Every Life Matters’ slogans, which are true of course, is that in some sections of the good old USA Black Lives don’t matter at all.

I think this sums it up well.


 

[Harvey]

What about the radical green "No life matters" movement? Basically that every human and the consumption and industry that goes into supporting their lifestyle is destroying the planet.

The only way for the planet to survive is a mass culling or extinction of the human race.

 

[Tiger5150]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn-YYGQi2Eo

Where were the protests for Kelly Thomas. Horrific. Died pleading for his dad to help him. The officers were acquitted.

 

[Tiger5150]

I don't mean you Cochise, or you TrueTiger, but imo some people just like to argue and get all worked up.

'Black Lives Matter' and 'Every Life Matters' should be on the same side, they are not opposing views. Different ways of saying the same thing, with the same sentiment, even against the same thing.

I find it ironic, people advocating for equality and open-mindedness, less bigotry and discrimination, yet then oppose people who are saying the same thing but are expressing themselves differently. They're wasting energy on the wrong people, but hey who knows, maybe they have excess energy.

The issue is "every life matters" is used to basically accuse those people fighting for equity for African Americans as trying to make out that Black lives are more important, that is not what black lives matters means.

Serious question, Do you mean equity or equality?

 

[innsaneink]

Once again,Black people are human and are equal,if someone says Black lives don't matter then that's a personal thing they have to deal with,dont class me as a person who thinks black lives don't matter because you are on the wrong tangient.
It still doesn't give the people the right to burn,loot or destroy buildings and businesses in his name, just because he ws killed by a white police officer and have now made a racial disgrace out of it,the officer has been charged with murder and it will be dealt with,once again do people have the right to destroy others lives because they have a cause to Cochise…...

Where did I say any of that?

READ your previous post where you said people are genuinely saying black lives don't matter...

So are you trying to say that there isn't people in this world that don't care if someone dies if they are black? That is all black lives matter means, its directed at people who believe that a death is inconsequential just because that person was black. Its not saying that black live are the only ones that matter, its saying black live matter too

Your certain there are people who think that a death is inconsequential if the person that died is black.... But it appears you're saying that no black person anywhere would believe that a death is inconsequential if it's a white death?.
Maybe I'm becoming an old fart but I really find it hard to follow a lot of these social things g's nowadays

 

[cochise]

I don't mean you Cochise, or you TrueTiger, but imo some people just like to argue and get all worked up.

'Black Lives Matter' and 'Every Life Matters' should be on the same side, they are not opposing views. Different ways of saying the same thing, with the same sentiment, even against the same thing.

I find it ironic, people advocating for equality and open-mindedness, less bigotry and discrimination, yet then oppose people who are saying the same thing but are expressing themselves differently. They're wasting energy on the wrong people, but hey who knows, maybe they have excess energy.

The issue is "every life matters" is used to basically accuse those people fighting for equity for African Americans as trying to make out that Black lives are more important, that is not what black lives matters means.


Serious question, Do you mean equity or equality?

I mean equity, I believe in equity not equality

 

[cochise]

Once again,Black people are human and are equal,if someone says Black lives don't matter then that's a personal thing they have to deal with,dont class me as a person who thinks black lives don't matter because you are on the wrong tangient.
It still doesn't give the people the right to burn,loot or destroy buildings and businesses in his name, just because he ws killed by a white police officer and have now made a racial disgrace out of it,the officer has been charged with murder and it will be dealt with,once again do people have the right to destroy others lives because they have a cause to Cochise…...

Where did I say any of that?

READ your previous post where you said people are genuinely saying black lives don't matter...

So are you trying to say that there isn't people in this world that don't care if someone dies if they are black? That is all black lives matter means, its directed at people who believe that a death is inconsequential just because that person was black. Its not saying that black live are the only ones that matter, its saying black live matter too

Your certain there are people who think that a death is inconsequential if the person that died is black.... But it appears you're saying that no black person anywhere would believe that a death is inconsequential if it's a white death?.
Maybe I'm becoming an old fart but I really find it hard to follow a lot of these social things g's nowadays

One is more widespread and institutionalised

 

[Tiger5150]

I don't mean you Cochise, or you TrueTiger, but imo some people just like to argue and get all worked up.

'Black Lives Matter' and 'Every Life Matters' should be on the same side, they are not opposing views. Different ways of saying the same thing, with the same sentiment, even against the same thing.

I find it ironic, people advocating for equality and open-mindedness, less bigotry and discrimination, yet then oppose people who are saying the same thing but are expressing themselves differently. They're wasting energy on the wrong people, but hey who knows, maybe they have excess energy.

The issue is "every life matters" is used to basically accuse those people fighting for equity for African Americans as trying to make out that Black lives are more important, that is not what black lives matters means.


Serious question, Do you mean equity or equality?

I mean equity, I believe in equity not equality

Genuinely interested in how that works. Equity for all regardless of merit and ability? We all get the same wage?

 

[innsaneink]

Once again,Black people are human and are equal,if someone says Black lives don't matter then that's a personal thing they have to deal with,dont class me as a person who thinks black lives don't matter because you are on the wrong tangient.
It still doesn't give the people the right to burn,loot or destroy buildings and businesses in his name, just because he ws killed by a white police officer and have now made a racial disgrace out of it,the officer has been charged with murder and it will be dealt with,once again do people have the right to destroy others lives because they have a cause to Cochise…...

Where did I say any of that?

READ your previous post where you said people are genuinely saying black lives don't matter...

So are you trying to say that there isn't people in this world that don't care if someone dies if they are black? That is all black lives matter means, its directed at people who believe that a death is inconsequential just because that person was black. Its not saying that black live are the only ones that matter, its saying black live matter too

Your certain there are people who think that a death is inconsequential if the person that died is black.... But it appears you're saying that no black person anywhere would believe that a death is inconsequential if it's a white death?.
Maybe I'm becoming an old fart but I really find it hard to follow a lot of these social things g's nowadays

One is more widespread and institutionalised

Yeah I under stand that... But if one Just one black feels the same. About a white life as some whites feel about black lives not mattering... Then surely
someone saying 'all lives matter' isn't irrelevant?
Not being argumenitive and truly trying to understand this as I only heard the other day Ashton Kutcher going on about this and I can't for the life of me follow or understand what's wrong with someone saying ALM

 

[Hangonaminute]

Is this still a Coronavirus thread?

 

[Tim Sheens]

I don't mean you Cochise, or you TrueTiger, but imo some people just like to argue and get all worked up.

'Black Lives Matter' and 'Every Life Matters' should be on the same side, they are not opposing views. Different ways of saying the same thing, with the same sentiment, even against the same thing.

I find it ironic, people advocating for equality and open-mindedness, less bigotry and discrimination, yet then oppose people who are saying the same thing but are expressing themselves differently. They're wasting energy on the wrong people, but hey who knows, maybe they have excess energy.

The issue is "every life matters" is used to basically accuse those people fighting for equity for African Americans as trying to make out that Black lives are more important, that is not what black lives matters means.


Serious question, Do you mean equity or equality?

I mean equity, I believe in equity not equality

Genuinely interested in how that works. Equity for all regardless of merit and ability? We all get the same wage?

Away from financial terms, I have always understood it to mean providing a balance of fairness on the basis of need and far from relating to equal remuneration.

 

[cochise]

I don't mean you Cochise, or you TrueTiger, but imo some people just like to argue and get all worked up.

'Black Lives Matter' and 'Every Life Matters' should be on the same side, they are not opposing views. Different ways of saying the same thing, with the same sentiment, even against the same thing.

I find it ironic, people advocating for equality and open-mindedness, less bigotry and discrimination, yet then oppose people who are saying the same thing but are expressing themselves differently. They're wasting energy on the wrong people, but hey who knows, maybe they have excess energy.

The issue is "every life matters" is used to basically accuse those people fighting for equity for African Americans as trying to make out that Black lives are more important, that is not what black lives matters means.


Serious question, Do you mean equity or equality?

I mean equity, I believe in equity not equality

Genuinely interested in how that works. Equity for all regardless of merit and ability? We all get the same wage?

No equity is everyone getting what they need to succeed. 

 

[Tim Sheens]

Once again,Black people are human and are equal,if someone says Black lives don't matter then that's a personal thing they have to deal with,dont class me as a person who thinks black lives don't matter because you are on the wrong tangient.
It still doesn't give the people the right to burn,loot or destroy buildings and businesses in his name, just because he ws killed by a white police officer and have now made a racial disgrace out of it,the officer has been charged with murder and it will be dealt with,once again do people have the right to destroy others lives because they have a cause to Cochise…...

Where did I say any of that?

READ your previous post where you said people are genuinely saying black lives don't matter...

So are you trying to say that there isn't people in this world that don't care if someone dies if they are black? That is all black lives matter means, its directed at people who believe that a death is inconsequential just because that person was black. Its not saying that black live are the only ones that matter, its saying black live matter too

Your certain there are people who think that a death is inconsequential if the person that died is black.... But it appears you're saying that no black person anywhere would believe that a death is inconsequential if it's a white death?.
Maybe I'm becoming an old fart but I really find it hard to follow a lot of these social things g's nowadays

One is more widespread and institutionalised

Yeah I under stand that... But if one Just one black feels the same. About a white life as some whites feel about black lives not mattering... Then surely
someone saying 'all lives matter' isn't irrelevant?
Not being argumenitive and truly trying to understand this as I only heard the other day Ashton Kutcher going on about this and I can't for the life of me follow or understand what's wrong with someone saying ALM

I see it as being very different when taken in context. For instance, I thought that I knew where @TrueTiger was coming from as I probably know him a lot better than @cochise, whereas I will take it from others as a deliberate attempt to state that there is no discrepancy of treatment due to skin colour.

 

[cochise]

Once again,Black people are human and are equal,if someone says Black lives don't matter then that's a personal thing they have to deal with,dont class me as a person who thinks black lives don't matter because you are on the wrong tangient.
It still doesn't give the people the right to burn,loot or destroy buildings and businesses in his name, just because he ws killed by a white police officer and have now made a racial disgrace out of it,the officer has been charged with murder and it will be dealt with,once again do people have the right to destroy others lives because they have a cause to Cochise…...

Where did I say any of that?

READ your previous post where you said people are genuinely saying black lives don't matter...

So are you trying to say that there isn't people in this world that don't care if someone dies if they are black? That is all black lives matter means, its directed at people who believe that a death is inconsequential just because that person was black. Its not saying that black live are the only ones that matter, its saying black live matter too

Your certain there are people who think that a death is inconsequential if the person that died is black.... But it appears you're saying that no black person anywhere would believe that a death is inconsequential if it's a white death?.
Maybe I'm becoming an old fart but I really find it hard to follow a lot of these social things g's nowadays

One is more widespread and institutionalised

Yeah I under stand that... But if one Just one black feels the same. About a white life as some whites feel about black lives not mattering... Then surely
someone saying 'all lives matter' isn't irrelevant?
Not being argumenitive and truly trying to understand this as I only heard the other day Ashton Kutcher going on about this and I can't for the life of me follow or understand what's wrong with someone saying ALM

There is nothing wrong with until it is used to imply that people protesting BLM are wrong about their cause, which is what has happened, its been used by racists to basically accuse the other side of being racist by excluding others in their protest. This actually shows no understanding of BLM means.

I'm not saying every who uses the term ALM or ELM is racist, I'm saying that those terms have been hijacked to attack other people in a terrible way. Just the way the people committing violence and looting etc have hijacked the BLM cause.

 

[cochise]

Once again,Black people are human and are equal,if someone says Black lives don't matter then that's a personal thing they have to deal with,dont class me as a person who thinks black lives don't matter because you are on the wrong tangient.
It still doesn't give the people the right to burn,loot or destroy buildings and businesses in his name, just because he ws killed by a white police officer and have now made a racial disgrace out of it,the officer has been charged with murder and it will be dealt with,once again do people have the right to destroy others lives because they have a cause to Cochise…...

Where did I say any of that?

READ your previous post where you said people are genuinely saying black lives don't matter...

So are you trying to say that there isn't people in this world that don't care if someone dies if they are black? That is all black lives matter means, its directed at people who believe that a death is inconsequential just because that person was black. Its not saying that black live are the only ones that matter, its saying black live matter too

Your certain there are people who think that a death is inconsequential if the person that died is black.... But it appears you're saying that no black person anywhere would believe that a death is inconsequential if it's a white death?.
Maybe I'm becoming an old fart but I really find it hard to follow a lot of these social things g's nowadays

One is more widespread and institutionalised

Yeah I under stand that... But if one Just one black feels the same. About a white life as some whites feel about black lives not mattering... Then surely
someone saying 'all lives matter' isn't irrelevant?
Not being argumenitive and truly trying to understand this as I only heard the other day Ashton Kutcher going on about this and I can't for the life of me follow or understand what's wrong with someone saying ALM

I see it as being very different when taken in context. For instance, I thought that I knew where @TrueTiger was coming from as I probably know him a lot better than @cochise, whereas I will take it from others as a deliberate attempt to state that there is no discrepancy of treatment due to skin colour.

Exactle, I also know where @TrueTiger was coming from and this isn't an attack on him in the slightest. Just an offshoot of what he said.