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@gregjm87 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443188) said:
With NSW showing no signs of getting the virus under control with current measures just curious how people would feel about 2 weeks of essentially martial law. Noone allowed outside (beside health professionals/military/police for any non health reason) with very severe penalties for anyone who breaches this. Followed by another week or 2 under current conditions to assess if this has proven effective in stopping the spread? (Obviously give people a week to stock up supplies or something beforehand plus have military to distribute supplies where needed)
I think it is the only action left if we are to return to zero covid this year.

Sign me up to begin tomorrow, but there are too many out there that don't have enough money for the food and other needs to last them and/or their family for such a period.

I don't want to tread water until November or later. They stuffed up, especially the PM talking up vaccinations as I type, who with others pressured Gladys in assisting her to make such a poor decision.
 
@geo said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443199) said:
Scotty from Marketing is using pretty graphs..

Which is exactly what you do when you're trying to reclaim the narrative....Been there a couple of times when I've been in damage control!

Don't focus on that....focus on the information that I'm giving you!
 
@red-rugby said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443207) said:
@geo said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443199) said:
Scotty from Marketing is using pretty graphs..

Which is exactly what you do when you're trying to reclaim the narrative....Been there a couple of times when I've been in damage control!

Don't focus on that....focus on the information that I'm giving you!

And look, I've got a LT General too.
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443136) said:
@go_you_good_things said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443131) said:
Apparently it’s in the final stages of approval from TGA, or whichever Gov’t body approves these things.

If so you should trust it.

Like the women that trusted Thalidomide ?
Yes I know, of course it's different now, etc, etc, etc.
But same principle.
 
@go_you_good_things said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443216) said:
If you say that 100% of people will get covid, then yes. whatever opinion you have will look valid based on that science.

What are you talking about?
 
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443219) said:
@go_you_good_things said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443216) said:
If you say that 100% of people will get covid, then yes. whatever opinion you have will look valid based on that science.

What are you talking about?

Rambling about stuff that happened 70 years ago as if it's relevant today.
 
@tiger-beach said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443177) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443171) said:
@tiger-beach said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443152) said:
@swag_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443149) said:
@tiger-beach said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443144) said:
@swag_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443133) said:
Some people may have exemptions on wearing a mask but COVID doesn’t take it easy on anyone. It not like it’s going to feel bad about infecting anyone.

Haven't seen the stats on mask wearer infections v no-mask wearers BUT .....

....... with 38,000 cases in a bit over a year and a half from a population of 25 million even if there were no double ups that's a 0.15% chance of testing positive or 1 in 655

And from that relatively small group 97.5% recover

Do those percentages taking out the 70 years old and above and it's miniscule

949 deaths in 18+ months is not out of step with a normal year's flu deaths although apparently, as even Dan said the other day, "there is virtually no colds or flu around at the moment"

Nothing in the above is opinion, it's simply based on the stats out there for all to see and comments from a recent Victorian press conference

What point are you trying to prove?

That covid, based on these statistics, is not worthy of the designation of a "pandemic" and does not warrant the draconian measures employed, the destruction of our economy and the loss of freedoms that our forefathers fought wars and died to protect

Your "statistics" are completely unuseable. Covid deaths under lockdown vs Influenza in unrestricted society.

In my opinion ......

Perhaps but unfortunately they are the statistics that are out there and the majority of what I was pointing out in relation to the covid numbers I quoted didn't need the influenza numbers, which I didn't quantify, to support the point I was trying to make

Anyone with half a brain can see the point you've made.
 
@go_you_good_things said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443215) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443136) said:
@go_you_good_things said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443131) said:
Apparently it’s in the final stages of approval from TGA, or whichever Gov’t body approves these things.

If so you should trust it.

Like the women that trusted Thalidomide ?
Yes I know, of course it's different now, etc, etc, etc.
But same principle.

Not quite the same, but similar to some diseases vaccinated from our society, many of the younger generations haven't experienced the loss or visual impact of some medicines, including those former babies with hands where their biceps should be and the like.
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443015) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442971) said:
So 390 and still rising. Meanwhile as those cases were compiled, we had Hazzard continually not allowing Dr Chant to speak when questioned by the committee yesterday.

Has she resigned, as rumours abound that she is at the end of her rope and sick of being thrown under the bus?

Not only does it continue to spread, it has spread to our indigenous communities. This is a very concerning development.

Relative to population the numbers in the west are very disturbing. Different demographic etcetera, but compares as thousands of cases on only the second day of the outbreak with Sydney's millions.
 
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443185) said:
@tiger-beach said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443177) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443171) said:
@tiger-beach said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443152) said:
@swag_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443149) said:
@tiger-beach said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443144) said:
@swag_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443133) said:
Some people may have exemptions on wearing a mask but COVID doesn’t take it easy on anyone. It not like it’s going to feel bad about infecting anyone.

Haven't seen the stats on mask wearer infections v no-mask wearers BUT .....

....... with 38,000 cases in a bit over a year and a half from a population of 25 million even if there were no double ups that's a 0.15% chance of testing positive or 1 in 655

And from that relatively small group 97.5% recover

Do those percentages taking out the 70 years old and above and it's miniscule

949 deaths in 18+ months is not out of step with a normal year's flu deaths although apparently, as even Dan said the other day, "there is virtually no colds or flu around at the moment"

Nothing in the above is opinion, it's simply based on the stats out there for all to see and comments from a recent Victorian press conference

What point are you trying to prove?

That covid, based on these statistics, is not worthy of the designation of a "pandemic" and does not warrant the draconian measures employed, the destruction of our economy and the loss of freedoms that our forefathers fought wars and died to protect

Your "statistics" are completely unuseable. Covid deaths under lockdown vs Influenza in unrestricted society.

In my opinion ......

Perhaps but unfortunately they are the statistics that are out there and the majority of what I was pointing out in relation to the covid numbers I quoted didn't need the influenza numbers, which I didn't quantify, to support the point I was trying to make

If I am understanding your point correctly you are saying the COVID deaths are comparable to Influenza deaths?

If so then my original point remains. Annual influenza deaths with no societal restrictions are usually around 800. If we had no lockdowns etc the COVID deaths would be 100's x this. Surely you see this? They are NOT comparable on that basis.

Where comparisons with Influenza are valid (IMO) is when we get to around 80% fully vaxxed and then we decide how we are going to live in the future. IMO then it is valid to consider that pre-covid we all lived our lives blissfully unaware that 800-1200 people a year were dying of Influenza and didnt have daily press conferences or online counters, let alone lockdowns. Is that the way we will live in the future?

That is exactly how I expect us to live.
 
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442332) said:
@jedi_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442284) said:
my friend booked in for Pfizer for today waited 2 hours and then was told she was not getting vaccinated as she was not from a hotspot LGA
I wonder why she was allowed to book then

That is just wrong. On all levels.

still can't work out why the booking was not cancelled by nsw health a month ago when booked
 
Well, after hearing a few weeks ago "if we have to go harder, we will", good to hear that things like movement to be restricted and permits required following tonight's crisis cabinet meeting.
 
@jedi_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443359) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442332) said:
@jedi_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442284) said:
my friend booked in for Pfizer for today waited 2 hours and then was told she was not getting vaccinated as she was not from a hotspot LGA
I wonder why she was allowed to book then

That is just wrong. On all levels.

still can't work out why the booking was not cancelled by nsw health a month ago when booked

Did they arrange another appointment, or has she obtained another booking and how long is the wait?

I wrote yesterday about my sister gaining an appointment for my parents, who informed today they remain ineligible in NSW, but be ready as may be slotted in if there are cancellations.
 
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443454) said:
@jedi_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443359) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442332) said:
@jedi_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442284) said:
my friend booked in for Pfizer for today waited 2 hours and then was told she was not getting vaccinated as she was not from a hotspot LGA
I wonder why she was allowed to book then

That is just wrong. On all levels.

still can't work out why the booking was not cancelled by nsw health a month ago when booked

Did they arrange another appointment, or has she obtained another booking and how long is the wait?

I wrote yesterday about my sister gaining an appointment for my parents, who informed today they remain ineligible in NSW, but be ready as may be slotted in if there are cancellations.

no mate they haven't arranged another appointment as yet. Strange times indeed
 
@voice_of_reason said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443201) said:
@gregjm87 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1443188) said:
With NSW showing no signs of getting the virus under control with current measures just curious how people would feel about 2 weeks of essentially martial law. Noone allowed outside (beside health professionals/military/police for any non health reason) with very severe penalties for anyone who breaches this.

This is exactly what we need to do. I exercise twice a day (I'd hate to lose it) but the vast majority of people ignoring the rules do so under the guise of 'exercise'. Large family groups meeting while the kids play on the swings, 7 or 8 people doing a boot camp, 5 or 6 people walking together without masks. I see it every day.

For two weeks we can survive without outside exercise. I believe it should be:

No exercise
No discretionary retails (Bunnings, Ikea etc). Trade only for Bunnings.
Close all takeaway, cafes etc
Limit essential work to truly essential work (police, health, fire, ambo, SES, food retail, finance, media etc).
No mask fine - $3,000
Other health breach - $10,000
You only leave home for health, vaccination or food/fuel
Curfew's aren't needed, all the people I see doing the wrong thing are doing it in the middle of the day.

After two weeks everyone who is going to catch COVID will be infected. From there it's like a blank canvas and the contact tracers won't be chasing their tales and dealing with people telling lies about where they've been.

I'd much rather two weeks of misery than 4 months of getting nowhere. We're worse off now than when the lockdowns started.

I feel your frustration mate. Your idea sounds good in theory but the problem lies with the people who catch it in the later period of the fortnight. They might not show symptoms, go to the shops and spread it and we’re back to square one with people then getting sick once lockdown is over.

The numbers would drop, but likely return.

The only feasible way I see a significant drop in numbers is for a complete month of household lockdown, food services delivery only with military support and actual essential services only. Even that isn’t foolproof.

I dare say that the government doesn’t want the numbers to drop in some ways. If the numbers drop, people will put off getting the jab. Out of sight, out of mind. If the numbers remain/grow there’s an element of fear that provokes an outcome and makes things so uncomfortable (lockdowns/restrictions/inability to work, etc) that it becomes easier to do what the government wants and get the jab regardless about your thoughts or fears are on the matter.
 
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